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(Abilene Reporter-News)   Union Pacific: Hey, if the city, county and parade organizer don't let us know their parade route crosses our tracks, we can't be held responsible for what happens next   (reporternews.com) divider line 384
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2013-02-27 12:37:23 PM
Wow.  It takes a lot of ineptitude to make a capitalistic megacorporate railroad company look like the innocent victim.

Congratulations, Midland, Texas.
 
2013-02-27 12:37:44 PM

MadMattressMack: I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: Loaf's Tray: Shvetz: They kind of have a point. The article states that the parade organizer never sought a permit from the city, and the city never enforced their existing laws. This is why we have things like parade permits. Yeah, it's annoying to deal with "red tape" and it's a hassle to do things by the book, but there's a reason for it.

Haven't you ever seen a cop movie?  It takes a street-smart maverick who shoots from the hip and plays by his own rules to get anything done.  All those stuffy, pencil-pushin' "by-the-book" bureaucrats are getting too old for this shiat anyway, and need to be put in their place.

You've completely ignored the rag-tag band of misfits with nothing left to lose.

The blame for this resides on the evil South African. But he has diplomatic immunity.


No good. The stuffy one who's getting too old for this shiat just revokes it.
 
2013-02-27 12:39:05 PM
How about adding Isaac newton to the list, since he invented those pesky laws governing moving stuff like trains?
 
2013-02-27 12:39:05 PM

Forced Perspective: It doesn't sound like the railroad is at fault at all.  Are they supposed to have somebody on each track crossing at all times, in case somebody decides to throw a parade without telling them?  Are there important details not mentioned in TFA?


urt.parsons.edu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Side_Line_(NYCRR)
 
2013-02-27 12:39:18 PM

Tom_Slick: Clearly the railroad is at fault, these trains just come out of nowhere, you never know when a train is just going to jump out in front of you. If only trains could be confined to a set, specific route, let's call it a track, then just maybe we would know where a train might be operating.


I can tell you've never been hunting. Tracks are something that is left behind so you use those to tell where something has been, not where it is going to be.
 
2013-02-27 12:39:48 PM

CheekyMonkey: The Bestest: CheekyMonkey: No gate, dude.  Just lights and bells, which the float driver ignored.  Float driver is completely at fault.

"In preliminary statements after the accident, National Transportation Safety Board officials said the crossing's warning system was activated 20 seconds before the collision in accordance with federal regulations and that the guardrail began to descend seven seconds later."

Goddamn poor reading comprehension.  Must be these new glasses.  Thanks.


There is a federal regulation that says a railroad crossing warning system has to be activated 20 seconds before a collision?
 
2013-02-27 12:39:59 PM

Myria: Wow, it's not often that I get to side with a large corporation on Fark...




thisdistractedglobe.com

'Time of your life, eh kid? I hear Lana likes choo-choos.'
 
2013-02-27 12:41:59 PM

Maud Dib: Most of the trains out there in West Texas are pretty got-damn long, and they take a mile or so to stop.
They come blowing through those podunk towns at a good clip.
It's crazy.


Like a tiger that goes crazy tiger and kills a person in its domain. A long, fast moving train sounds like a train doin' train stuff.
 
2013-02-27 12:43:02 PM

Pvt. Walter Gibson: I understand that some of the people killed were wounded veterans, but if I'm sitting on an open flatbed truck in the direct path of an oncoming train . . . my ass is flying off the back of that flatbed before the collision.  If I'm a paralyzed veteran in a wheelchair on the back of the train, I'll be rolling and faceplanting off of it.

Seriously, how were those people killed? Did the train leave the tracks and chase them after they jumped off?  Or were they all, "Welp, here comes a train, but I'd better stay put and see if we clear the tracks in time."


As I recall most did or tried and at least one of the dead pushed his wife off.
 
2013-02-27 12:43:15 PM

Tom_Slick: My old neighbor was an engineer, he hit 3 cars during his career, he told me there was not a worse feeling in the world when his train was about to hit a car and kill the occupants and there was absolutely nothing he could do about it.


It is never the train's fault.
 
2013-02-27 12:43:41 PM

inner ted: mafiageek1980: Hack Patooey: Investigators have said the float began crossing the tracks even though warning bells were sounding and the crossing lights were flashing.

And we're done here.

This

whatever
i came here for pics of trains off the rails or smashing cars or asplosions

disappointed

Here's a video of trains hitting cars. I think they were all staged accidents so they could convince people that it's a bad idea to park on the railroad tracks, but it's an impressive video anyway. And there's an asplosion in the second crash.
 
2013-02-27 12:45:18 PM
I had never before ever even considered that the railroad was at fault with this.  What the hell, people?
 
2013-02-27 12:45:28 PM

TheGreatGazoo: My understanding is that trains pretty much always have the right of way and as long as the crossing lights are working you are automatically at fault if you get hit.


Trains always have the right of way, it takes them miles to stop.
 
2013-02-27 12:51:51 PM
Nobody pays attention to stop signs or railroad crossings in Midland

www.firstladies.org
 
2013-02-27 12:52:57 PM
Well, looking over these comments, it seems pretty clear that consensus among the fark-reading and comment -posting of us is that it was NOT the railways fault, and this is nothing but a naked money grab from the deepest pockets of those involved.


Seems pretty clear that a like-minded jury would agree fairly quickly.  And given that, hardly a good reason to take it to trial.

Now, hands up:  How many here are going to try to duck jury duty next time they are called?
 
2013-02-27 12:53:39 PM
FTA: a grand jury had declined to indict the driver, Dale Andrew Hayden


Don't see how the driver isn't culpable here.
I wouldn't think Dale was some out of town guy they hired in for the event. Could have been, but doubtful.
If you live anywhere in that area you know full well about the train traffic. Article states that the train was doing 62mph. Trains don't go that fast unless there are guarded, clear and safe crossings. And anyone living there would be used to the volume and activity of the trains.
Clearly the driver should have heeded to safety over not wanting to fall behind in the parade.
And as the article states the warnings were active and functioning properly.
Maybe 20secs warning for high speed trains should be looked at. Seems a short warning to me. But that isn't the trains fault. That's the NTSB that sets that.
I'm thinking Dale is a good ole boy, and nobody wants him to feel any worse than he already feels for being an incompetent moran that shouldn't have been driving.
 
2013-02-27 12:53:39 PM
Did Adam Lanza's mother organize this?
 
2013-02-27 12:55:07 PM
www.prorail.nl

If you wish to stay alive, wait a while.

It's the latest in Darwin orevention awarenes. Still, of someone is stupid enough to go and try and cross a railroad track while all the alarms and lights are going off, you might just deserve what you get. Too bad about the passengers and the train engineer.

/Does not rhyme in English
 
2013-02-27 01:00:56 PM

bedtundy: CheekyMonkey: CheekyMonkey: cgraves67: There were gates, bells, and lights. The float crossed the tracks with the lights flashing. I don't think the UPRR is at fault here. Maybe this could instigate a review of current regulations, but UPRR was fully compliant as it stands.

No gate, dude.  Just lights and bells, which the float driver ignored.  Float driver is completely at fault.

\too bad it wasn't a float full of lawers, though

And by 'lawers' I mean 'lawyers'.

Can you imagine a world without lawyers?

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x382]



Yeah, it was called "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome."
 
2013-02-27 01:01:47 PM

coldcuts: Well, looking over these comments, it seems pretty clear that consensus among the fark-reading and comment -posting of us is that it was NOT the railways fault, and this is nothing but a naked money grab from the deepest pockets of those involved.


Seems pretty clear that a like-minded jury would agree fairly quickly.  And given that, hardly a good reason to take it to trial.

Now, hands up:  How many here are going to try to duck jury duty next time they are called?


Since my employer compensates my pay while I am doing my civic duty, the money from jury duty is a bonus (not much of one, but still).

/aware that most employers don't do this
//if they did jurors might actually pay more attention.
///something about threes...
 
2013-02-27 01:02:11 PM

LargeCanine: In preliminary statements after the accident, National Transportation Safety Board officials said the crossing's warning system was activated 20 seconds before the collision in accordance with federal regulations and that the guardrail began to descend seven seconds later.

Investigators have said the float began crossing the tracks even though warning bells were sounding and the crossing lights were flashing.

The idiot driving the float is clearly at fault.


I'm going to lay blame on the large-breasted MILF sitting in the lawn chair like Tammy 2.
 
2013-02-27 01:04:13 PM
There's a crossing near my house that's somewhat set back from the intersection of two 4 lane city streets that I have to cross every day. If you're headed east, there is room for exactly one car between the intersection and the tracks, yet every single farking day I see some dumbass cross them instead of stopping at the stop line on the other side of the tracks while waiting for the red light, blisfully unaware that the ass end of their SUV is going to get clipped at 60mph if a train happens to come through.

People are generally morons.
 
2013-02-27 01:04:59 PM

misterfweem: Footage of the accident has just been posted to YouTube.


..!.,
 
2013-02-27 01:06:54 PM
They should have sort of warning device installed, with lights and bells, to let people know there's a train coming.
 
2013-02-27 01:06:56 PM

GoodyearPimp: Hack Patooey: Investigators have said the float began crossing the tracks even though warning bells were sounding and the crossing lights were flashing.

And we're done here.

I will be suing Coca Cola because they didn't stop me from opening and consuming gallons of their product.


If you really want to get messed up, purchase 5 gallons of the syrup from Smart and Final and start drinking that straight up.
 
2013-02-27 01:10:34 PM

elkman: inner ted: mafiageek1980: Hack Patooey: Investigators have said the float began crossing the tracks even though warning bells were sounding and the crossing lights were flashing.

And we're done here.

This

whatever
i came here for pics of trains off the rails or smashing cars or asplosions

disappointed
Here's a video of trains hitting cars. I think they were all staged accidents so they could convince people that it's a bad idea to park on the railroad tracks, but it's an impressive video anyway. And there's an asplosion in the second crash.


smiley face
 
2013-02-27 01:11:04 PM

buzzcut73: There's a crossing near my house that's somewhat set back from the intersection of two 4 lane city streets that I have to cross every day. If you're headed east, there is room for exactly one car between the intersection and the tracks, yet every single farking day I see some dumbass cross them instead of stopping at the stop line on the other side of the tracks while waiting for the red light, blisfully unaware that the ass end of their SUV is going to get clipped at 60mph if a train happens to come through.

People are generally morons.


Sounds like Imperial Blvd near where I work.  It's ok, the railroad is actually disabled right now.  It's possible a train will come through but if it doesn't strike your car it'll strike the railroad ties sticking out of the tracks a little ways down.
 
2013-02-27 01:12:19 PM

Chariset: ausfahrk: CheekyMonkey:

No gate, dude.  Just lights and bells, which the float driver ignored.  Float driver is completely at fault.

Google street view of the area. Image date May 2008.  Looks like a gate to me.

A gate, and completely flat land as far as the eye can see.  They would have seen the train coming for at least a minute before it actually reached them.  No possibility that it was behind a hill or curve.


Of course, the plaintiffs will take this fact and turn it around to claim that the train driver should have seen the parade and started putting on the brakes. Of course, doing so probably would not have changed the result since the reaction likely would have been, "we're cool, he's slowing down for us."
 
2013-02-27 01:13:49 PM
As someone who has organized floats I have to say there was a lot of stupid to go around. But not the train folks. You have to let them know. It's not rocket science.
/Never got to hold up the Amtrak though. Just CN.
//Disappointed.
 
2013-02-27 01:13:53 PM
When are they going to limit the number of cars a locomotive can pull?  And require background checks for engineers and a 5-day cooling off period before they can buy a train?

/and ban assault trains too
i.ytimg.com
 
2013-02-27 01:14:10 PM

DownDaRiver: Maybe 20secs warning for high speed trains should be looked at. Seems a short warning to me. But that isn't the trains fault. That's the NTSB that sets that.


Why would the speed of the train matter as to the length of the warning? If the train can't stop in time, it can't stop whether it is doing 40 or 60. 20 seconds is 20 seconds despite the speed of the train.
 
2013-02-27 01:14:55 PM
oakleym82
That's street running, a big thing down South & parts of PA & KY.  Most of the lawyers have made it a thing of the past, if not very slow moving.  SP used to run freights after hours down the old Pacific Electric tracks on Santa Monica Blvd's median.  Steve Martin would have his audience @ the Troubadour hop a flatcar & ride to La Cienega.  A waitress @ Duke's Tropicana Cafe told me they'd always have to wake up Tom Waits & Chuck E Weiss when they passed out on them so the train wouldn't run 'em over

Tom_Slick  Or 3985
UP keeps one last running big-ass Centennials they used to haul their corporate train.  In Louisiana it hit a dumptruck in 2000 & actually killed a higher-up from Omaha when debris smashed thru the loco's door. Here's Uncle Pete's "Desert Victory" SD40 painted to honor their employees who fought in Desert Shield/Storm.  Yes I realize that's 3 Middle Eastern wars ago...www.railpictures.net
 
2013-02-27 01:15:55 PM
Years ago a friend was driving and we crossed some tracks.  I looked out my window into the grill of a train maybe 10 ffet away tops.

We got over the tracks and it screamed by behinds us.

Then went and bought new pants.
 
2013-02-27 01:16:37 PM

Hack Patooey: Investigators have said the float began crossing the tracks even though warning bells were sounding and the crossing lights were flashing.

And we're done here.


Please for the love of God put me on that jury so I can hastily suppress a snort every time the claimants' lawyer tries to say anything.

If you have done something that a third-grader knows not to do, your lawsuit should be thrown out immediately with prejudice.
 
2013-02-27 01:17:46 PM

harlock: FTFA: In preliminary statements after the accident, National Transportation Safety Board officials said the crossing's warning system was activated 20 seconds before the collision in accordance with federal regulations and that the guardrail began to descend seven seconds later.Investigators have said the float began crossing the tracks even though warning bells were sounding and the crossing lights were flashing.I rest my case. Also, normally you would inform the railroad and they would issue a slow order for the area. Tehachapi does this every year for their fourth of July festivities.



I miss Tehachapi! I grew up there and don't get back nearly enough.
 
2013-02-27 01:19:53 PM

the ha ha guy: "Justice" isn't about convicting the guilty, it's about fulfilling the victims desire for retribution.


Pretty sure it's about "gettin' paid", not "retribution".

part of a weekend of hunting and shopping for veterans wounded in Afghanistan and Iraq and their wives.

Wait. You can purchase veterans? What's the going rate?
 
2013-02-27 01:20:24 PM
Midland-Odessa, the land of "ohl" fields, boozin', meth and Republicans....odd that they want to blame Union Pacific.
 
2013-02-27 01:25:50 PM
In a train vs. flatbed fight it would appear the train is the winner. Seriously how the fark do you manage to be that stupid without dying long before getting hit by a train?
 
2013-02-27 01:27:52 PM

oldfarthenry: I believe that here should be ramps installed at railway crossings allowing the train to fly over any vehicles or parade floats using the roadways.


You're thinkin' too small...

basementrejects.com
 
2013-02-27 01:29:26 PM
I don't know.... those trains can be pretty sneaky. Even if you do see the flashing lights and cross bars and hear the ringing bells and blaring train whistle, you really just never know for sure where the damn things are gonna be.
 
2013-02-27 01:30:20 PM

Great_Milenko: Shvetz:

But it's for  veterans. How can you expect people to participate in their fetish of worshiping our culture of death if you have a bunch of rules to follow.


Hey guy. MOST people who join the military don't end up killing anyone ever, or even shooting at people.

/paperwork
//lots and lots of paperwork.
 
2013-02-27 01:30:36 PM

A Terrible Human: In a train vs. flatbed fight it would appear the train is the winner. Seriously how the fark do you manage to be that stupid without dying long before getting hit by a train?


Locamote Man, Locamote Man.
Locamote Man hates Flatbed Man.
They have a fight. Locamote Wins.
Locamote Man.
 
2013-02-27 01:30:48 PM
My first job out of college was actually working for Union Pacific.  I drove one of the trucks that can get on the train tracks to inspect areas with no easilly accessible roads.  It amazed me the number of people who go around the gates when they are down and who flat out ignore the massive speeding train bearing down on them so they can get some place 10-15 minutes sooner.   I was inspecting a gate one time when it dropped and a school bus went around it to avoid having to wait.   Stopping a train going 60 mph with 100 coal cars behind it is like trying to stop the Titanic with a tug boat, eventually it will happen but not when you need it to.
 
2013-02-27 01:30:57 PM
Wow, that whole town reeks of fail.
 
2013-02-27 01:31:18 PM
In preliminary statements after the accident, National Transportation Safety Board officials said the crossing's warning system was activated 20 seconds before the collision in accordance with federal regulations and that the guardrail began to descend seven seconds later.
Investigators have said the float began crossing the tracks even though warning bells were sounding and the crossing lights were flashing.


Sure, Union Pacific is to blame for this.  Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
 
2013-02-27 01:31:24 PM

Maud Dib: Most of the trains out there in West Texas are pretty got-damn long, and they take a mile or so to stop.
They come blowing through those podunk towns at a good clip.
It's crazy.


I see only one solution to this problem. Slow the trains down to 10 mph. Sure, it'll take 2 weeks to go coast to coast, but I'm certain those who use freight trains to forward their cargo will understand that it's of utmost importance to keep parade floats safe when crossing the tracks.

/think of the children
//and the veterans
 
2013-02-27 01:31:45 PM
I know a woman from Midland.  Sweet kind gal, but yeah, not very bright.  tfa isn't helping the rest of the town.
 
2013-02-27 01:32:25 PM

special20: Looks like a safe enough ride... obviously they have no concern that anyone would ever consider ignoring the warning signals at the railroad crossing ahead... (source)

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x420]
/hot like freshly crushed metal


Gotta love the Daily Fail: One of the article's captions reads "Pubic safety officials huddle after the trailer was struck"

/wonders exactly what a pubic safety official is
 
2013-02-27 01:32:46 PM

Mikey1969: Langdon Alger: maybe someone can help here, but trains do have right of way over cars and pedestrians, right? And is it right that you can cross over the tracks but remaining stationary or walking along the tracks is considered tresspassing, right?

Trains can go right over anything pretty much. Cars, pedestrians, semi trucks, cats, dogs...

in all seriousness, I think if you bypass the crossing gates(Especially the gates), you have absolutely Zero case. Maybe even Less Than Zero.


I've been told train conductors fear only three things on the trains ahead.

1. A tank
2. A gasoline truck
3. Another train

All other obstacles are someone else's problem.
 
2013-02-27 01:33:17 PM
The thought of a bunch of USS-Iwo Jima hats loaded with small pins and rascal scooter parts flying through air amid streamers and confetti raining down is a hilarious mental image.

Sorry a Darwin Award candidate took other lives, and not his own through negligence.
 
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