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(Abilene Reporter-News)   Union Pacific: Hey, if the city, county and parade organizer don't let us know their parade route crosses our tracks, we can't be held responsible for what happens next   (reporternews.com ) divider line
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2013-02-27 11:53:40 AM  
CheekyMonkey:

No gate, dude.  Just lights and bells, which the float driver ignored.  Float driver is completely at fault.

Google street view of the area. Image date May 2008.  Looks like a gate to me.
 
2013-02-27 11:54:22 AM  
The float driver, the ONE person responsible is the only one completely off the hook for some reason. I don't get it,
 
2013-02-27 11:55:12 AM  

Shvetz: They kind of have a point. The article states that the parade organizer never sought a permit from the city, and the city never enforced their existing laws. This is why we have things like parade permits. Yeah, it's annoying to deal with "red tape" and it's a hassle to do things by the book, but there's a reason for it.


b-b-but GUBMINT REGULASHUN!!!
 
2013-02-27 11:55:54 AM  
I dont understand why the train didnt just stop or swerve out of the way of the truck.
 
db2
2013-02-27 11:57:10 AM  

ausfahrk: db2: I don't want to sound like I support killing veterans or anything (I don't), but parades suck.

Normally, I'd agree, but watching a train hit one of the floats might make it worthwhile.


I guess I can't argue with that.
 
2013-02-27 11:58:12 AM  
the dumbass that drove the truck onto the tracks is the responsible party here.  Yet he gets a pass.   FTFA: Midland County District Attorney Teresa Clingman announced Jan. 9 that a grand jury had declined to indict the driver, Dale Andrew Hayden.

obviously, he has no money.
 
2013-02-27 11:58:30 AM  
Sounds like that float driver needed a little less training.
 
2013-02-27 11:58:47 AM  

The Bestest: CheekyMonkey: No gate, dude.  Just lights and bells, which the float driver ignored.  Float driver is completely at fault.

"In preliminary statements after the accident, National Transportation Safety Board officials said the crossing's warning system was activated 20 seconds before the collision in accordance with federal regulations and that the guardrail began to descend seven seconds later."



Even at parade speeds, how did the driver not get off the rails in seven seconds? Did he panic and park on the tracks?

/saw someone do exactly that once, luckily it was only a railroad truck that set of the alarms
 
2013-02-27 11:59:11 AM  

IamPatSajak: The float driver, the ONE person responsible is the only one completely off the hook for some reason. I don't get it,


I'm guessing the lawyers somehow threw the trial when they decided they could get rich going after Big Rail. If it isn't that, then somehow the driver gained the sympathies of the jury.
 
2013-02-27 12:00:30 PM  
Woodcock? Is that you?
 
2013-02-27 12:00:41 PM  
I believe that here should be ramps installed at railway crossings allowing the train to fly over any vehicles or parade floats using the roadways.
 
2013-02-27 12:01:38 PM  

Pav: The fact that this case hasn't been thrown out of the court system already is a disgrace unless this article is leaving out the prosecutions entire case.




Res ipsa loquitur.
 
2013-02-27 12:02:17 PM  
I don't know, I was watching a cartoon once and the character was at a train crossing in the middle of nowhere, he looked to his right down the tracks and nothing for miles, did the same looking left and again nothing for miles but wouldn't you know it, as soon as he crossed the tracks a train from nowhere came barreling down the tracks and creamed him, supprisingly he didn't die but yeah it can happen.
 
2013-02-27 12:03:50 PM  
Looks like a safe enough ride... obviously they have no concern that anyone would ever consider ignoring the warning signals at the railroad crossing ahead... (source)

i.dailymail.co.uk
/hot like freshly crushed metal
 
2013-02-27 12:04:21 PM  

Shvetz: They kind of have a point. The article states that the parade organizer never sought a permit from the city, and the city never enforced their existing laws. This is why we have things like parade permits. Yeah, it's annoying to deal with "red tape" and it's a hassle to do things by the book, but there's a reason for it.


Haven't you ever seen a cop movie?  It takes a street-smart maverick who shoots from the hip and plays by his own rules to get anything done.  All those stuffy, pencil-pushin' "by-the-book" bureaucrats are getting too old for this shiat anyway, and need to be put in their place.
 
2013-02-27 12:05:13 PM  
EDITOR'S NOTE: As of 11 a.m. Wednesday, hundreds of people were accessing this story from social media links.

"STOP THE PRESSES!  STOP THE PRESSES!  I've just found out that someone is reading this shiat!"
 
2013-02-27 12:05:53 PM  

Loaf's Tray: Shvetz: They kind of have a point. The article states that the parade organizer never sought a permit from the city, and the city never enforced their existing laws. This is why we have things like parade permits. Yeah, it's annoying to deal with "red tape" and it's a hassle to do things by the book, but there's a reason for it.

Haven't you ever seen a cop movie?  It takes a street-smart maverick who shoots from the hip and plays by his own rules to get anything done.  All those stuffy, pencil-pushin' "by-the-book" bureaucrats are getting too old for this shiat anyway, and need to be put in their place.


You've completely ignored the rag-tag band of misfits with nothing left to lose.
 
2013-02-27 12:07:37 PM  

No Time To Explain: Uh, maybe I'm missing something, but how does one not notice a train coming, even with a large, loud crowd and absence of warning lights/bells?


Yeah, you're missing something.  There were bells and lights.
 
2013-02-27 12:07:38 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Wanted for questioning.


Thank god it wasn't the E units
 
2013-02-27 12:10:39 PM  

fat boy: Wellon Dowd: Wanted for questioning.

Thank god it wasn't the E units


Or 3985

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-27 12:10:54 PM  

godxam: FTFA: Midland County District Attorney Teresa Clingman announced Jan. 9 that a grand jury had declined to indict the driver, Dale Andrew Hayden.


I know train 'drivers' are often called 'engineers', but I read this as Dale was the train's driver, not the float's driver
 
2013-02-27 12:11:54 PM  

Hack Patooey: Investigators have said the float began crossing the tracks even though warning bells were sounding and the crossing lights were flashing.

And we're done here.


This
 
2013-02-27 12:12:03 PM  

Hack Patooey: Investigators have said the float began crossing the tracks even though warning bells were sounding and the crossing lights were flashing.

And we're done here.


But sadly, the driver of that vehicle was not charged.  Even though he's a moron that thought he could beat the train.  And, since someone has to be blamed (it's the American way), the railroad is going to be sued.
 
2013-02-27 12:12:16 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Wanted for questioning.

[i.imgur.com image 850x566]


Also wanted for questioning:

en.touhouwiki.net
 
2013-02-27 12:13:03 PM  

mafiageek1980: Hack Patooey: Investigators have said the float began crossing the tracks even though warning bells were sounding and the crossing lights were flashing.

And we're done here.

This


whatever
i came here for pics of trains off the rails or smashing cars or asplosions

disappointed
 
2013-02-27 12:13:17 PM  
A friend of mine lost her brother-in-law in this accident.  Pretty stupid senseless thing all around, but yeah, it sure doesn't seem like it was the railroad's fault.
 
2013-02-27 12:15:32 PM  

The Bestest: CheekyMonkey: No gate, dude.  Just lights and bells, which the float driver ignored.  Float driver is completely at fault.

"In preliminary statements after the accident, National Transportation Safety Board officials said the crossing's warning system was activated 20 seconds before the collision in accordance with federal regulations and that the guardrail began to descend seven seconds later."


Goddamn poor reading comprehension.  Must be these new glasses.  Thanks.
 
2013-02-27 12:16:01 PM  
FTFA: In preliminary statements after the accident, National Transportation Safety Board officials said the crossing's warning system was activated 20 seconds before the collision in accordance with federal regulations and that the guardrail began to descend seven seconds later.Investigators have said the float began crossing the tracks even though warning bells were sounding and the crossing lights were flashing.I rest my case. Also, normally you would inform the railroad and they would issue a slow order for the area. Tehachapi does this every year for their fourth of July festivities.
 
2013-02-27 12:16:28 PM  

stuffy: Trains are not known for stopping on a dime for a reason.


Exactly. I thought trains would be able to just dodge the floats.
 
2013-02-27 12:16:41 PM  

GoldSpider: GoodyearPimp: "This item demonstrates how stupid the average American is. Every ninety minutes someone in this country is hit by a train. A train, okay? Trains are on tracks; they can't come and get you. They can't surprise you when you step off a curb. You have to go to them. Got that?"  -George Carlin

And they live IN A DESERT!!!


fail
 
2013-02-27 12:17:08 PM  

ausfahrk: CheekyMonkey:

No gate, dude.  Just lights and bells, which the float driver ignored.  Float driver is completely at fault.

Google street view of the area. Image date May 2008.  Looks like a gate to me.


Yeah, poor reading comprehension on my part, for which I will be suing my eye doctor, of course.
 
2013-02-27 12:17:18 PM  

godxam: the dumbass that drove the truck onto the tracks is the responsible party here.  Yet he gets a pass.   FTFA: Midland County District Attorney Teresa Clingman announced Jan. 9 that a grand jury had declined to indict the driver, Dale Andrew Hayden.

obviously, he has no money.


The fact that he was not indicted will not shield him from civil negligence liability.  Now, getting anything out of him . . .
 
2013-02-27 12:17:36 PM  
Hm. Android ate my carriage returns on my last post.
 
2013-02-27 12:18:37 PM  
What do you expect from Midland, Tx?

static.infowars.com
 
2013-02-27 12:18:38 PM  
Parades are idiotic.  I never saw the appeal to watching Shriners go by on a flatbed truck.  Local parades are just an excuse for local business to throw candy and hand out business cards.
 
2013-02-27 12:21:39 PM  

ausfahrk: CheekyMonkey:

No gate, dude.  Just lights and bells, which the float driver ignored.  Float driver is completely at fault.

Google street view of the area. Image date May 2008.  Looks like a gate to me.


A gate, and completely flat land as far as the eye can see.  They would have seen the train coming for at least a minute before it actually reached them.  No possibility that it was behind a hill or curve.
 
2013-02-27 12:24:55 PM  

CheekyMonkey: CheekyMonkey: cgraves67: There were gates, bells, and lights. The float crossed the tracks with the lights flashing. I don't think the UPRR is at fault here. Maybe this could instigate a review of current regulations, but UPRR was fully compliant as it stands.

No gate, dude.  Just lights and bells, which the float driver ignored.  Float driver is completely at fault.

\too bad it wasn't a float full of lawers, though

And by 'lawers' I mean 'lawyers'.


Can you imagine a world without lawyers?

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-27 12:25:06 PM  
I'm going to be driving my train swinging my arms and if you get your float in the way, it's not my fault.

In all honesty though how this could even remotely be UPRR's fault is beyond me.

/CHOO CHOO MOTHERFARKER
 
2013-02-27 12:25:42 PM  
Farking laws of physics, how do they work?
 
2013-02-27 12:26:06 PM  
"There are four lights!!"


Anyway...  I used to cross a fairly busy rail line on my way to and from work.  3 tracks.  Some commuter, some freight.  It was busy enough that I got stopped pretty much every day.  Once in a while, the gates would be down and the lights would be flashing, for longer than usual, but there was no apparent train coming from either direction.  Once in a while, someone would get impatient and actually navigate around the gates and cross - then like 2 seconds later a commuter train wizzes past at like 70mph!!!

It never ceased to amaze me how stupid and impatient people could be.  It also never ceased to amaze me that no one got hit (that I know of).
 
2013-02-27 12:26:30 PM  

Mikey1969: Langdon Alger: maybe someone can help here, but trains do have right of way over cars and pedestrians, right? And is it right that you can cross over the tracks but remaining stationary or walking along the tracks is considered tresspassing, right?

Trains can go right over anything pretty much. Cars, pedestrians, semi trucks, cats, dogs...

in all seriousness, I think if you bypass the crossing gates(Especially the gates), you have absolutely Zero case. Maybe even Less Than Zero.


You (or your estate) should be liable for the years of therapy (and lost work?) the poor engineer will need to get over washing the pieces of you off the front of the train.
 
2013-02-27 12:26:39 PM  

Chariset: ausfahrk: CheekyMonkey:

No gate, dude.  Just lights and bells, which the float driver ignored.  Float driver is completely at fault.

Google street view of the area. Image date May 2008.  Looks like a gate to me.

A gate, and completely flat land as far as the eye can see.  They would have seen the train coming for at least a minute before it actually reached them.  No possibility that it was behind a hill or curve.


The Parade Truthers are going to have a field day with this one.
 
2013-02-27 12:29:16 PM  
"For the railroad, it's a way to shift responsibly to other parties," Glasheen said.

You mean onto the parties that failed to do something even as basic as get a parade permit? Yeah, i cant see how they might be partially responsible.

How about getting a copy of the train schedule?
How about putting a guard/voulenteer at the crossing to keep an eye out?
How about NOT planning a slow-moving parade route over an at-grade crossing on an active line?
 
2013-02-27 12:30:02 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: You (or your estate) should be liable for the years of therapy (and lost work?) the poor engineer will need to get over washing the pieces of you off the front of the train.


My old neighbor was an engineer, he hit 3 cars during his career, he told me there was not a worse feeling in the world when his train was about to hit a car and kill the occupants and there was absolutely nothing he could do about it.
 
2013-02-27 12:30:57 PM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: Loaf's Tray: Shvetz: They kind of have a point. The article states that the parade organizer never sought a permit from the city, and the city never enforced their existing laws. This is why we have things like parade permits. Yeah, it's annoying to deal with "red tape" and it's a hassle to do things by the book, but there's a reason for it.

Haven't you ever seen a cop movie?  It takes a street-smart maverick who shoots from the hip and plays by his own rules to get anything done.  All those stuffy, pencil-pushin' "by-the-book" bureaucrats are getting too old for this shiat anyway, and need to be put in their place.

You've completely ignored the rag-tag band of misfits with nothing left to lose.


The blame for this resides on the evil South African. But he has diplomatic immunity.
 
2013-02-27 12:31:05 PM  

JT_Goalie: godxam: FTFA: Midland County District Attorney Teresa Clingman announced Jan. 9 that a grand jury had declined to indict the driver, Dale Andrew Hayden.

I know train 'drivers' are often called 'engineers', but I read this as Dale was the train's driver, not the float's driver



According to the Daily Fail link originally posted above, Dale was the truck driver, not the engineer.
 
2013-02-27 12:31:09 PM  
I understand that some of the people killed were wounded veterans, but if I'm sitting on an open flatbed truck in the direct path of an oncoming train . . . my ass is flying off the back of that flatbed before the collision.  If I'm a paralyzed veteran in a wheelchair on the back of the train, I'll be rolling and faceplanting off of it.

Seriously, how were those people killed? Did the train leave the tracks and chase them after they jumped off?  Or were they all, "Welp, here comes a train, but I'd better stay put and see if we clear the tracks in time."
 
2013-02-27 12:35:00 PM  
But were they wearing their high visibility jackets?

You have to make sure to obey the proper safety protocols.
 
2013-02-27 12:35:19 PM  
Wow, it's not often that I get to side with a large corporation on Fark...
 
2013-02-27 12:36:33 PM  
Plaintiffs to be sentenced to get run over by another train for wasting the courts time.
 
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