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(National Journal)   With all of the sky is falling gloom and doom surrounding the upcoming sequestration, what actually is safe from the impending budget cuts? I'm glad you asked   (nationaljournal.com) divider line 50
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2013-02-27 11:08:51 AM
piddle twiddle and resolve
 
2013-02-27 11:46:59 AM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict these won't be affected:

1.  Congressional salaries
2.  Congressional staffs
3.  Congressional perks
 
2013-02-27 11:51:05 AM
"Damn near everything is immune except some defense and discretionary spending"
 
2013-02-27 12:20:28 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: piddle twiddle and resolve


Sit down, John!
 
2013-02-27 12:54:43 PM
and yet even before the sequester takes effect, the administration decides to release illegal immigrants from detention for budget reasons because that is the only place to save money.
  yeah, no politics here.
 
2013-02-27 12:56:35 PM
Wow, and here I thought they were shutting down the government, turning out the lights and locking all of the buildings. I thought that we were going to be living in the streets by Monday.
 
2013-02-27 12:58:35 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: and yet even before the sequester takes effect, the administration decides to release illegal immigrants from detention for budget reasons because that is the only place to save money.
  yeah, no politics here.


I'm mad that the guy over there stole a candy bar, so I'm not going to do anything when another guy forces the store into foreclosure.

This is what you sound like.
 
2013-02-27 01:01:12 PM
shiat.

I told my boss to fark off, stopped paying my bills, and moved into my bunker.

Are you telling me I don't have to eat powdered eggs?
 
2013-02-27 01:01:27 PM
www.tedellis.net

Quite safe, thank you.
 
2013-02-27 01:02:44 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: and yet even before the sequester takes effect, the administration decides to release illegal immigrants from detention for budget reasons because that is the only place to save money.
  yeah, no politics here.


There have actually been a lot of cost-saving measures proactively implemented throughout the Department of Defense in order to hopefully reduce the shock of sequestration taking effect. I can't speak to other areas of the government, but I expect they're probably doing the same to the extent that they can.
 
2013-02-27 01:06:39 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: "Damn near everything is immune except some defense and discretionary spending"


Which is a pretty farking terrible way to do it. As a portion of ALL government spending, including items with dedicated revenue streams like Medicare and SS, the cuts aren't that big. If the cuts were made to everything then the impact would be pretty small - in terms of GDP it would be less than letting the payroll tax cut expire.

But when you fence off huge tracts of government spending and then put in exemptions to the areas that remain, the areas you are eventually able to cut are suddenly scheduled for rather large cuts.
 
2013-02-27 01:07:52 PM
This is a manufactured crises

Obama decides what to cut.
 
2013-02-27 01:09:01 PM

Snotnose: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict these won't be affected:

1.  Congressional salaries
2.  Congressional staffs
3.  Congressional perks


4.  Obama's salary
5.  Flights to Florida on Air Force One to play golf.
6.  Presidential vacations in Hawaii
 
2013-02-27 01:12:39 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: and yet even before the sequester takes effect, the administration decides to release illegal immigrants from detention for budget reasons because that is the only place to save money.
  yeah, no politics here.


So what? Those people were only detained because they work harder than you.
 
2013-02-27 01:15:57 PM
well at least President Obama had the foresight to write in these exclusions so as not to totally hinder the America people, I mean at least everyone isn't being punished due to the Republicans obstructionism.

Republicans: 'He didn't write those in!'
 
2013-02-27 01:16:07 PM

Mikey1969: Wow, and here I thought they were shutting down the government, turning out the lights and locking all of the buildings. I thought that we were going to be living in the streets by Monday.


That's because you take an article that says "There will be problems" as saying "You will literally die". To be fair, most people around here seem to operate at roughly that level of comprehension.
 
2013-02-27 01:16:51 PM

LargeCanine: This is a manufactured crises

Obama decides what to cut.


Not everything - the so-called mandatory spending like Social Security cannot be cut by the President.  Although "mandatory" only means there are prior laws that dictate what must be allocated and Congress could always change that via a new bill.  The sequester really only calls out discretionary spending like agency budgets, etc. and goes off of current levels of spending so there is some room to juggle the cuts.
 
2013-02-27 01:20:37 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: "Damn near everything is immune except some defense and discretionary spending"

Which is a pretty farking terrible way to do it. As a portion of ALL government spending, including items with dedicated revenue streams like Medicare and SS, the cuts aren't that big. If the cuts were made to everything then the impact would be pretty small - in terms of GDP it would be less than letting the payroll tax cut expire.

But when you fence off huge tracts of government spending and then put in exemptions to the areas that remain, the areas you are eventually able to cut are suddenly scheduled for rather large cuts.


Don't fret, even these sacred cows will be on the chopping block eventually. Of course, I fully expect that congress will completely gut discretionary spending before they are willing to get serious about scaling down the military and enacting entitlement reform, but sooner or later we're going to have to actually start addressing these issues and begin passing sustainable budgets.
 
2013-02-27 01:21:51 PM

Snotnose: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict these won't be affected:

1.  Congressional salaries
2.  Congressional staffs
3.  Congressional perks


Those are simply on par with the standard of living for the type of person who can typically afford to win a congressional election. aka the top 1% of the country.
 
2013-02-27 01:24:54 PM

BillCo: Snotnose: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict these won't be affected:

1.  Congressional salaries
2.  Congressional staffs
3.  Congressional perks

4.  Obama's salary
5.  Flights to Florida on Air Force One to play golf.
6.  Presidential vacations in Hawaii


And those matter... why?  Since this is budgeting issue, there's precisely zip that the White House can do about it.  He can promise to sign something that comes across his desk, and make many strongly-worded speeches on the issue, but that's about it.  He has basically no other power in the matter.

Not that Congressional salaries matter either.  They make $174,000 per year - Representative or Senator.  Pretty solid chunk of change, but not exactly CEO money.  These guys are millionaires long before they got the job.  Their salaries aren't particularly large parts of their income stream or wealth.  Cutting them doesn't really change the balance or encourage them to get anything done.  In fact, cutting their salaries actually increases the likelihood that only rich, power-hungry assholes take the job.
 
2013-02-27 01:29:14 PM

Khellendros: BillCo: Snotnose: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict these won't be affected:

1.  Congressional salaries
2.  Congressional staffs
3.  Congressional perks

4.  Obama's salary
5.  Flights to Florida on Air Force One to play golf.
6.  Presidential vacations in Hawaii

And those matter... why?  Since this is budgeting issue, there's precisely zip that

the White House can do about it.  He can promise to sign something that comes across his desk, and make many strongly-worded speeches on the issue, but that's about it.  He has basically no other power in the matter.

Not that Congressional salaries matter either.  They make $174,000 per year - Representative or Senator.  Pretty solid chunk of change, but not exactly CEO money.  These guys are millionaires long before they got the job.  Their salaries aren't particularly large parts of their income stream or wealth.  Cutting them doesn't really change the balance or encourage them to get anything done.  In fact, cutting their salaries actually increases the likelihood that only rich, power-hungry assholes take the job.




They matter to Bill because its about all he has Spaghetti-wise to throw at the wall right now. Also they are all Fox News talking points.
 
2013-02-27 01:33:01 PM

Khellendros: BillCo: Snotnose: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict these won't be affected:

1.  Congressional salaries
2.  Congressional staffs
3.  Congressional perks

4.  Obama's salary
5.  Flights to Florida on Air Force One to play golf.
6.  Presidential vacations in Hawaii

And those matter... why?  Since this is budgeting issue, there's precisely zip that the White House can do about it.  He can promise to sign something that comes across his desk, and make many strongly-worded speeches on the issue, but that's about it.  He has basically no other power in the matter.

Not that Congressional salaries matter either.  They make $174,000 per year - Representative or Senator.  Pretty solid chunk of change, but not exactly CEO money.  These guys are millionaires long before they got the job.  Their salaries aren't particularly large parts of their income stream or wealth.  Cutting them doesn't really change the balance or encourage them to get anything done.  In fact, cutting their salaries actually increases the likelihood that only rich, power-hungry assholes take the job.


You're probably wasting your time. We rarely get anything coherent out of that threadshiatter.
 
2013-02-27 01:35:19 PM

LargeCanine: This is a manufactured crises

Obama decides what to cut.


Keep farking that chicken.

Boehner could avoid this, Obama has put a proposal on the table that offers up social program cuts, and more then the Republicans could ever hope to get, in exchange for removal of tax deductions. Sadly they still refuse to deal with the reality that the only way to balance the budget is to both make cuts and raise taxes.
 
2013-02-27 01:41:02 PM
Seriously, I have like 3 years of food, ammo enough to take over a Caribbean island, and a fortified bunker.

That's some deep capital I have committed and I can't believe it was wasted effort!

One of these calamities will be IT!
 
2013-02-27 01:43:50 PM
Apparently bootstraps are being cut.
 
2013-02-27 01:44:01 PM

Via Infinito: You're probably wasting your time. We rarely get anything coherent out of that threadshiatter.


I'm well aware.  Been around here for many, many Billco vomit-fests.  I just find it important to occasionally post the useful facts from time to time, as there are people who are actually interested in learning and absorbing useful information on the subject.  Maybe even coming to reasonable conclusions that affect the way they live their lives.  Lofty goals, I know.
 
2013-02-27 01:56:38 PM

Slaves2Darkness: LargeCanine: This is a manufactured crises

Obama decides what to cut.

Keep farking that chicken.

Boehner could avoid this, Obama has put a proposal on the table that offers up social program cuts, and more then the Republicans could ever hope to get, in exchange for removal of tax deductions. Sadly they still refuse to deal with the reality that the only way to balance the budget is to both make cuts and raise taxes.


The (R)'s seem to think that allowing a portion of the Bush Tax cuts to expire was their "tax increase".  and then they will bring up the payroll tax B.S.
so. in their minds, they've already bent over backwards to appease the BIG GOVERNMENT enemy.

AND we don't have a revenue problems, it's a spending problem damn uppity!
 
2013-02-27 01:58:18 PM

thurstonxhowell: Mikey1969: Wow, and here I thought they were shutting down the government, turning out the lights and locking all of the buildings. I thought that we were going to be living in the streets by Monday.

That's because you take an article that says "There will be problems" as saying "You will literally die". To be fair, most people around here seem to operate at roughly that level of comprehension.


Not really, but hey, if it gives you giant wood to appear smug on dark, who am I to disappoint you?

Hint: Don't read my next bit until you're done wacking off in celebration of 'zinging' someone on Fark, you might wilt.

Truth be told, I didn't buy into the hype, I was being sarcastic, dipshiat.
 
2013-02-27 02:05:14 PM

griffer: Seriously, I have like 3 years of food, ammo enough to take over a Caribbean island, and a fortified bunker.

That's some deep capital I have committed and I can't believe it was wasted effort!

One of these calamities will be IT!


Gotcha.

Mental note, when SHTF, take out griffer and raid his house FIRST.
 
2013-02-27 02:11:29 PM
Apparently, Wall Street is safe, as the DJIA is up 150 points on Sequestration Eve.
 
2013-02-27 02:12:12 PM

Khellendros: BillCo: Snotnose: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict these won't be affected:

1.  Congressional salaries
2.  Congressional staffs
3.  Congressional perks

4.  Obama's salary
5.  Flights to Florida on Air Force One to play golf.
6.  Presidential vacations in Hawaii

And those matter... why?


A penny saved is a penny earned?

/a stitch in time is worth two in a bush that gathers no moss
 
2013-02-27 02:13:02 PM

farkstorm: Apparently, Wall Street is safe, as the DJIA is up 150 points on Sequestration Eve.


I hadn't been paying attention to the DJIA but when I heard it was over 14k on Friday, I thought "market correction my ass!" Shameless cash grab is all I can think.
 
2013-02-27 02:19:26 PM

Mikey1969: Not really, but hey, if it gives you giant wood to appear smug on dark, who am I to disappoint you?

Hint: Don't read my next bit until you're done wacking off in celebration of 'zinging' someone on Fark, you might wilt.


www.soul-amen.com
 
2013-02-27 02:22:32 PM
cdn-media.nationaljournal.com
 EVERY.FARKING.TIME there is an article that has Social Security in it, the lazy-arse farks in the media keep pulling out this same old stock photo. It's almost a decade old, but they still keep using it.


And when Soc. Sec. payments are going to be all-electronic starting next month, it will be even more obsolete.
 
2013-02-27 02:33:15 PM

thurstonxhowell: Mikey1969: Not really, but hey, if it gives you giant wood to appear smug on dark, who am I to disappoint you?

Hint: Don't read my next bit until you're done wacking off in celebration of 'zinging' someone on Fark, you might wilt.

[www.soul-amen.com image 372x323]


Man, I am SO sorry that I ruined you Superior Dance. Don't say that I didn't warn you.
 
2013-02-27 02:54:53 PM

Mikey1969: thurstonxhowell: Mikey1969: Not really, but hey, if it gives you giant wood to appear smug on dark, who am I to disappoint you?

Hint: Don't read my next bit until you're done wacking off in celebration of 'zinging' someone on Fark, you might wilt.

[www.soul-amen.com image 372x323]

Man, I am SO sorry that I ruined you Superior Dance. Don't say that I didn't warn you.


I apologize. I had no intention of getting your jimmies this rustled. Please, don't take any high stress jobs. I fear the resulting heart explosion might take out a large city.
 
2013-02-27 02:55:44 PM
My best freind works for the FDA, the Dept of the FDA that provides home loans for low income individuals.  The Food and Drug Administration = Bank.......Really

They have already told him that he is secure from any layoffs or furloughs
 
2013-02-27 03:01:34 PM

pxsteel: My best freind works for the FDA, the Dept of the FDA that provides home loans for low income individuals.  The Food and Drug Administration = Bank.......Really

They have already told him that he is secure from any layoffs or furloughs


you mean the FHA?
 
2013-02-27 03:16:26 PM
They should have stopped the Pell grants.
 
2013-02-27 03:21:11 PM

griffer: Seriously, I have like 3 years of food, ammo enough to take over a Caribbean island, and a fortified bunker.

That's some deep capital I have committed and I can't believe it was wasted effort!

One of these calamities will be IT!


Keep believing!  We're only one apocalypse away from "I told you so."
 
2013-02-27 03:26:55 PM

Pick: They should have stopped the Pell grants.




Not sure if serious, or actually thinks investing in the Academic future of America isn't worth it.
 
2013-02-27 03:38:00 PM

Isitoveryet: pxsteel: My best freind works for the FDA, the Dept of the FDA that provides home loans for low income individuals.  The Food and Drug Administration = Bank.......Really

They have already told him that he is secure from any layoffs or furloughs

you mean the FHA?


No, FDA.

Appararantly the FDA and USDA were making loans to people with rural properties, properties outside the scope of FHA.  Farmers, ranchers, large or high$.  Well, when they go belly up the Government is responsible for the land/property.

He worked for almost a year to sell the racetrack in Prescott, AZ.

They sell and finance most of the re-claimed land to low income individuals
 
2013-02-27 03:46:38 PM

pxsteel: Isitoveryet: pxsteel: My best freind works for the FDA, the Dept of the FDA that provides home loans for low income individuals.  The Food and Drug Administration = Bank.......Really

They have already told him that he is secure from any layoffs or furloughs

you mean the FHA?

No, FDA.

Appararantly the FDA and USDA were making loans to people with rural properties, properties outside the scope of FHA.  Farmers, ranchers, large or high$.  Well, when they go belly up the Government is responsible for the land/property.

He worked for almost a year to sell the racetrack in Prescott, AZ.

They sell and finance most of the re-claimed land to low income individuals


interesting.
 
2013-02-27 04:06:18 PM

Isitoveryet: pxsteel: Isitoveryet: pxsteel: My best freind works for the FDA, the Dept of the FDA that provides home loans for low income individuals.  The Food and Drug Administration = Bank.......Really

They have already told him that he is secure from any layoffs or furloughs

you mean the FHA?

No, FDA.

Appararantly the FDA and USDA were making loans to people with rural properties, properties outside the scope of FHA.  Farmers, ranchers, large or high$.  Well, when they go belly up the Government is responsible for the land/property.

He worked for almost a year to sell the racetrack in Prescott, AZ.

They sell and finance most of the re-claimed land to low income individuals

interesting.


Redundant and bloated.  His desk could be moved 2 blocks away to the FHA and 2 layers of redundant upper management could be eliminated.  But we can't have that.
 
2013-02-27 04:22:35 PM
DRTFA  but I'm guessing the military and "needed" subsidies for already stinking rich private transnational corporations.
 
2013-02-27 04:31:00 PM
Part of if is Tax Refunds, and that bothers me.

You know what would have been great? If Tax Refunds were cut on the sequester. Enforced, absolute political suicide. "If there is no budget, Americans will be paying taxes and not getting a refund until there is a budget". Because that hits almost everyone, rich and poor. And it's very easy to look at congress at that moment and say "Your move". Let them actually have everyone pissed at them and can count a dollar value of how pissed they are. An exact dollar value of how much their inactivity is costing them.

Granted, right now with media spin you have people saying "It's Obama's idea" and ranting and raving, and yes. It is purely Obama's fault that a :98% negotiation (Go Team Repub!) and a year timeline led to this. If your mom tells you to clean your room and you don't do it for a year and suddenly you lose your allowance, when you spent the time bragging to your friends about that deal, is it really your mom's fault? And that's not even a correct analogy, but faulty analogies seem to make more sense to people.
 
2013-02-27 04:49:11 PM

Fuzzmosis: Part of if is Tax Refunds, and that bothers me.

You know what would have been great? If Tax Refunds were cut on the sequester. Enforced, absolute political suicide. "If there is no budget, Americans will be paying taxes and not getting a refund until there is a budget". Because that hits almost everyone, rich and poor. And it's very easy to look at congress at that moment and say "Your move". Let them actually have everyone pissed at them and can count a dollar value of how pissed they are. An exact dollar value of how much their inactivity is costing them.

Granted, right now with media spin you have people saying "It's Obama's idea" and ranting and raving, and yes. It is purely Obama's fault that a :98% negotiation (Go Team Repub!) and a year timeline led to this. If your mom tells you to clean your room and you don't do it for a year and suddenly you lose your allowance, when you spent the time bragging to your friends about that deal, is it really your mom's fault? And that's not even a correct analogy, but faulty analogies seem to make more sense to people.


Maybe add more coconuts and islands? Or a household budget, that's always a good one.
 
2013-02-27 06:55:26 PM
Can I use a household budget of coconuts with a singing Warthog? Maybe a ticking timebomb?
 
2013-02-27 11:51:45 PM
I prefer the interpretation of sky falling doom and gloom that involves half naked Swedish models and actresses.

i3.mirror.co.uk

To be fair, the childish behaviour of the Republican camp does seem to lend credence to the theory that they are drunk and insane.

/HA!
 
2013-02-28 07:30:34 PM

Pick: They should have stopped the Pell grants.


I thought you told those brats to get an edumacation!

People like you are constantly screaming at them filthy darkies & welfare people to go back to school so they can get better paying jawbz..

Now that they have gone to college I bet you tell them they were stupid librul entitled hippies for going to school and getting into debt.

Fark you.
 
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