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(Fox 23 Albany)   New York woman with one disabled son and one in Afghanistan finds $11,000 that fell off the back of a Brinks truck, returns every penny, has absolutely no future in New York politics   (fox23news.com) divider line 109
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2013-02-27 12:50:42 PM

gopher321: Once again, the use of the 'Hero' tag misused. Doing the right thing doesn't make you a hero.


On fark.com it does, think about what that means.
 
2013-02-27 12:55:54 PM

jgilb: Is it a source of pride these days to proclaim you have a disabled child ?


Well duh, because "look at how hard it is, look at how I've suffered, look at how selfless I am, look look look look look."
 
2013-02-27 01:02:12 PM

HAMMERTOE: Haha. Right now, in Augusta, GA, a lawyer with the local Public Defender's office is facing charges of Theft of a Lost or Misplaced Item. Seems she and a friend found a $10,000 ring outside a local Cracker Barrel. Her friend went inside to possibly find the owner of the ring. When no owner turned up, she said she would turn it in to the police. Days later, the ring was reported lost/ stolen. They found her friend on the security footage of the restaurant, and her friend fingered her as being in possession of the ring and intending to turn it in. There wouldn't have been any charges filed, except for the fact that she took the ring to get it appraised, and solicited offers for it.

Lawyers.


I present the NYPD's "Lucky Bag" sting operation. Leaving unattended bags in public places, and arresting people for picking them up. nevermind that current laws allow 10 days to turn in lost property.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bad-buzz-nypd-sting-operation-lu ck y-bag-pol-put-setup-article-1.144861
 
2013-02-27 01:07:34 PM

jst3p: Molavian: Good for her.  I'd have kept it. $11k would be a nice chunk of change to have fall into my lap.

This.


Many people share this perspective but won't admit it. Why is it that these people returning money get so much publicity?
 
2013-02-27 01:10:42 PM
Keeping oneself out of prison by not letting greed get the best of you does not automatically make one a hero.  It just means smart.

/Not that the person returning the money isn't honest, but this is something will will get prison time in the United States.
 
2013-02-27 01:11:09 PM

Deep Contact: whidbey: would of


Dear Drew,

I have this idea for a new word filter.
 
2013-02-27 01:11:53 PM

TiiiMMMaHHH: CygnusDarius: What world do we live in where decency is so rare?.

It's money.  What does decency have to do with it?  Are you actually claiming that people are 'decent' in their pursuit of cash?  The CEO who cuts half their workforce to increase shareholder value?  The police officer who ruins someone's life over a petty incident?  I could go on and on with examples of people throwing decency out the window to feed their families..

This lady was just plain stupid.


This too. She should have considered it a gift.
 
2013-02-27 01:12:44 PM

CygnusDarius: What world do we live in where decency is so rare?.


We don't live in such a world.  Most people are honest.

It just *SEEMS* like we don't because we hear about the exceptions more often than the normal behavior of most people.
 
2013-02-27 01:23:55 PM

show me: The author of that article needs to go back and take a fourth grade English class.


First paragraph: "Pat Wesner said she was driving to work at around 8:15 Tuesday morning when an armored Brinks truck passed her along a stretch of 22 right outside Salem when suddenly she saw coins and dollar bills flying everywhere."

Agreed.
 
2013-02-27 01:25:21 PM

dittybopper: Most people are honest


That's a lie.
 
2013-02-27 01:28:39 PM

Enemabag Jones: Keeping oneself out of prison by not letting greed get the best of you does not automatically make one a hero.  It just means smart.

/Not that the person returning the money isn't honest, but this is something will will get prison time in the United States.


Exactly. She returned it because of paranoia-- The concern that she would get caught, not because of any sort of ethical code. If she knew she could get away with it without the feds tracking her, she'd have kept at least some of it. This woman isn't a hero; she's just intelligent enough to know some basic rules of self-preservation.

We over-use "hero" these days. A hero is someone who faces a risk-- without promise of compensation-- for the benefit and well-being of other beings.

A cop who takes a bullet in a gunfight while on duty is not a hero. That's doing the job, which they are paid for and for which they gain significant perks, as well.  They're trained for this.

A firefighter who pulls someone out of a burning building is not a hero. That's part of the job for which they are decently compensated. They are trained to do this.

A soldier who kills a group of enemies to save civilians is not a hero. That's his job. He's trained for it. He's compensated for it. He's expected to do this.

A dog that barks at people who break into your house is not a hero. That's his duty. He is expected to do it, and he is compensated for his role in the household's security.

A cashier who risks getting shot by a robber in order to protect a child being threatened is a hero.
A nurse who pulls someone out of a burning car she spots as she's walking home from work is a hero.
A homeless man who stands up to muggers to protect an old woman they're harassing is a hero.
A soldier who donates his kidney to save a civilian's life is a hero.
A cop who risks the wrath of the police force by preventing another cop from brutalizing a suspect is a hero.
A firefighter who saves someone from a burning building while he's being shot at is a hero.
A dog that pulls an unconscious child from a river is a hero.

Heroism is going out of your way to aid someone else when there is some risk involved and there is no expectation of compensation.

And heroism is  not returning money because you're worried that they'll find you and arrest you. That's called guilt, and  paranoia, but not heroism.

You know what would make this woman a hero? If she took that money and-- knowing that the feds would catch up with her-- gave it all away to starving, poor, homeless, sick, and needy people. THAT would be heroic. She would be putting herself at risk (prison) to aid other people with no expectation of compensation for her deeds.
 
2013-02-27 01:29:42 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: There was a guy selling iPads in the parking lot behind my house that "fell off a truck".

Riiiiiight, And I have a bridge for sale, too.


Got a sweet P-P-P-Powerbook that way...
 
2013-02-27 01:36:59 PM
at work i used to take a walk with John & Eric after we ate lunch. one day walking & talking about what we would do if a truck came by right in front of us and dropped two big arse money bags Eric (who was trained in martial arts) immediately responds, perfectly serious: "the first thing i would do is kill you two". i never felt comfortable around him again.
 
2013-02-27 01:42:41 PM
There's no way I would return that money
 
2013-02-27 01:48:26 PM

gopher321: Once again, the use of the 'Hero' tag misused. Doing the right thing doesn't make you a hero.


Once again, someone failed to look up the meaning of "hero."  It's the protagonist in a morality  tale, the central figure in a story designed to convey a moral message.  The fox in the "sour grapes" fable may not be admirable, but he is the hero of the tale.
 
2013-02-27 01:50:58 PM
Isn't that money insured anyways?
 
2013-02-27 01:57:50 PM

ZeroCorpse: Exactly. She returned it because of paranoia-- The concern that she would get caught, not because of any sort of ethical code.


If that were true, then why not just keep driving?  Why stop and call the police and help them pick it up?  If she were paranoid, the truly paranoid thing to do would be to just keep going and not stop.  After all, what if she helps the police pick it up and Brinks claims there is a couple hundred missing?   A paranoid person would think of that, and not even stop the car.
 
2013-02-27 01:59:22 PM

gopher321: Once again, the use of the 'Hero' tag misused. Doing the right thing doesn't make you a hero.


I'm sure if you ask the Brinks driver, he'll disagree with you. Vehemently.

CygnusDarius: What world do we live in where decency is so rare?.


A sad and pitiful one where the use of the hero tag is absolutely appropriate for someone doing the right and decent thing, despite gopher321's biatchiness. Here's a lady who actually needed that money and did not steal even a penny of it. That's what you call "an everyday hero." Just because she doesn't wear a cape and tights or didn't save someone from a burning building doesn't make her any less heroic--especially to that driver.
 
2013-02-27 02:00:56 PM

WinoRhino: gopher321: Once again, the use of the 'Hero' tag misused. Doing the right thing doesn't make you a hero.

This. I had no idea that having a disabled kid made doing the right thing more impressive. In fact, I'd argue the opposite. Not having a disabled kid and doing the right thing makes you a hero. You see, having a disabled kid and one deployed in the military tells me this woman is used to making sacrifices. She has a very good idea of what is important in life, and what is not. People like her are used to hard work and rise above petty theft and such moral quandaries as to whether she should return the money or keep it.


She works for a nonprofit, which surely sucks from the government tit.  Her disabled son gets tax dollars and so does her military son.  But this welfare queen is too proud to do a little menial labor that would reduce her family's dependence on me.

/the Politics tab is warping my mind ;-)
 
2013-02-27 02:02:44 PM

Fallout Boy: Isn't that money insured anyways?


Of course, it's only an extra penny on each policy.

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2013-02-27 02:06:44 PM

AbbeySomeone: jst3p: Molavian: Good for her.  I'd have kept it. $11k would be a nice chunk of change to have fall into my lap.

This.

Many people share this perspective but won't admit it. Why is it that these people returning money get so much publicity?


Same reason prostitutes and DUIs get publicity:  to convey a moral message.
 
2013-02-27 02:08:26 PM
If I came across that much money, I'd regard it as a favor from God.
 
2013-02-27 02:08:47 PM
Is her son in Afghanistan standing in the middle of a field right now?
 
2013-02-27 02:09:47 PM

CygnusDarius: What world do we live in where decency is so rare?.


Why do you assume that news must be rare?  Financial, sports, and weather news are not rare; they are simply matters of public interest.
 
2013-02-27 02:09:50 PM

octopied: You could be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law if you kept that bag. Taking things of that kind of value without trying to return them is not only theft, pure and simple, but is a crime.

Don't worry, I'm sure plenty of internet white knights will be lining up to give her money. in fact, isn't it about time for the monthly Fark beg-athon?


"Cop didn't see it? I didn't do it!" -- George Carlin
 
2013-02-27 02:12:56 PM
i51.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-27 02:17:34 PM
I would have kept driving and called the cops when I got to my destination.  Why risk being investigated for theft if you don't intend to profit?
 
2013-02-27 02:25:42 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I would have kept driving and called the cops when I got to my destination.  Why risk being investigated for theft if you don't intend to profit?


Bingo.  That's what a paranoid person would do.
 
2013-02-27 02:27:05 PM
BarkingUnicorn,
I would have kept driving and called the cops when I got to my destination. Why risk being investigated for theft if you don't intend to profit?


Why bother reporting it at all?

I do realize that it has a very negative about society, but why bother to deal with police when it will only put you in jeopardy and really doesn't bother to do clear good for any specific person?
 
2013-02-27 02:29:34 PM

Enemabag Jones: BarkingUnicorn,
I would have kept driving and called the cops when I got to my destination. Why risk being investigated for theft if you don't intend to profit?

Why bother reporting it at all?

I do realize that it has a very negative about society, but why bother to deal with police when it will only put you in jeopardy and really doesn't bother to do clear good for any specific person?


For the same reason anyone does anything:   it would make me feel better.  That's the only reason; all else is window dressing.
 
2013-02-27 02:38:17 PM
I won't argue the definition of 'hero'. This woman did the right thing and I think the world can always use reminders that not everyone is a selfish cynical asshat.
 
2013-02-27 03:08:24 PM
mutterfark

I won't argue the definition of 'hero'. This woman did the right thing and I think the world can always use reminders that not everyone is a selfish cynical asshat.

Money = time = life.

Think about it, kid.
 
2013-02-27 03:11:32 PM
If the money is from a small business and/or hard-working folks just trying to get by, I'll return the money.

If it is from a large multi-national corporation, I will treat them as they would treat me. (I'd keep the money)

To take from those with too little is not the same as taking from those who have too much.

///loved the catwoman character from "The Dark Knight Rises"
 
2013-02-27 03:14:57 PM

marleymaniac: Sorry, I am a bad person. I would have sat on the money for a while to make sure it's cool. Then it is all farking mine. Sorry. That's a lot of dough, could make my life a lot better. A thank you call from Brinks, not gonna do much for me.


This.
 
2013-02-27 03:17:42 PM
So doing the right thing is now something that gets you called a Hero and rewarded.

USA! USA!
 
2013-02-27 03:25:20 PM

MilesTeg: So doing the right thing is now something that gets you called a Hero and rewarded.

USA! USA!


Better to call them a hero than a sucker.
 
2013-02-27 03:27:29 PM
Put me down for keeping it.

/broke as a joke!
 
2013-02-27 03:33:45 PM

Lord Howard Hurtz: If the money is from a small business and/or hard-working folks just trying to get by, I'll return the money.

If it is from a large multi-national corporation, I will treat them as they would treat me. (I'd keep the money)


How would you be able to distinguish between the two?
 
2013-02-27 03:38:46 PM

TV's Vinnie: [i51.tinypic.com image 513x639]


Was the CEO black?

Well that settles that then.
 
2013-02-27 03:41:26 PM
More publicity for doing the right thing, for whatever motivation, is about what we need.  I'd rather give this person more attention than the Aurora shooter.
 
2013-02-27 03:51:18 PM

CygnusDarius: What world do we live in where decency is so rare?.


One where large amounts of cash don't fall off the back of a truck very often.
 
2013-02-27 03:55:56 PM

dittybopper: Lord Howard Hurtz: If the money is from a small business and/or hard-working folks just trying to get by, I'll return the money.

If it is from a large multi-national corporation, I will treat them as they would treat me. (I'd keep the money)

How would you be able to distinguish between the two?


Brinks is responsible for the money, if they lose it, the small business that they picked it up from is not the one who takes the hit, it's Brinks.
 
2013-02-27 03:58:46 PM
I'm sure the fact that the money was all in one dollar bills, and pennies, factored into it as well.
 
2013-02-27 04:12:44 PM
She figured that after paying the New York Roadside Currency Location tax, the New York Civilian Bulk Found Money Handling assessment, the Sheldon Silver "Fark You, Pay Me, Because Fark You" tax, and the New York Legislative Sex Scandal Hush Money Fund tax, on top of the usual bribes, extortion and graft, she'd be left with minus twelve dollars...so the logical thing to do was turn it in.
 
2013-02-27 04:20:26 PM

TommyymmoT: dittybopper: Lord Howard Hurtz: If the money is from a small business and/or hard-working folks just trying to get by, I'll return the money.

If it is from a large multi-national corporation, I will treat them as they would treat me. (I'd keep the money)

How would you be able to distinguish between the two?

Brinks is responsible for the money, if they lose it, the small business that they picked it up from is not the one who takes the hit, it's Brinks.


Actually, yes they do.  Brinks is either insured, or self-insured.  That means they have enough money to handle the occasional loss.  That's factored into the cost of moving the money (it's not free you know, they charge for that service).
 
2013-02-27 04:23:21 PM
No one is regarding this woman's actions as anything but positive - she's obviously a decent woman with a strong moral compass...but hell, she was faced with a simple choice. Steal, or don't steal.

I find someone's wallet on the ground with a bunch of cash, I turn it in to the police. Sure, I think about keeping it, that's human, but if I did I'd be a thief. Crimes of opportunity are still crimes.

As for the definition of 'Hero', that involves self-sacrifice. This lady sacrificed nothing, despite her situation. Calling her a hero lessens real heroes...including 'everyday' heroes who sacrifice their time down at the charity shelter, who volunteer at AA meetings, who donate to the food bank, etc.
 
2013-02-27 04:24:42 PM
Santadog: looking at your profile, i wish to ask - did you go to one of these colleges (or ones similar): Swarthmore, Reed, Antioch, Bard, Hampshire, Oberlin, etc.?
 
2013-02-27 04:36:13 PM
whid

Flakeloaf: Deep Contact: whidbey: would of

Dear Drew,

I have this idea for a new word filter.


I agree. Anyone who posts the word "Flakeloaf"  immediately gets banned for 10 years. No amnesty.
 
2013-02-27 04:51:27 PM
Is it wrong that when I read about someone returning found money all I feel is vague contempt? If someone can't keep track of their bills, there's no reason you shouldn't take them. Money ALWAYS moves from those who can't hold onto it to those who can, it's the way of the world.

Returning a windfall out of some misguided ethical sense isn't "decent," it's just naive and foolish.
 
2013-02-27 05:13:52 PM
The way I see it, the banks owe me my share of the TARP bailout anyway, so...
...Finders Keepers.
 
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