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2013-02-27 10:48:30 AM  
Somebody didn't study school law, this was already decided in Tinker v. Des Moines,
 
2013-02-27 10:49:57 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: Take away the "activism" and they're left with nothing.

You know actually you're right, and if it hadn't been for activism we'd still have a legal system more anti-homosexual than those of some Warsaw Pact countries.


My comment was poorly worded. I didn't mean to imply that activism wasn't a good or necessary thing. It was instead intended to address those "professional" activists who's only purpose and sense of self-worth comes from their "activist" role. The day they get everything they ever want is the day they wither and die, because that thing that shaped their lives is no longer relevant.
 
2013-02-27 10:54:27 AM  

b3x: It is really just like anyone else is is completely obsessed with some topic


I've said this a thousand times to my family and friends who are LGBT:

The smartest thing to get the rights you want passed, is to STOP with the overboard posturing. Stop throwing it in people faces, stop with the attention whoring, and stop being over the top with the pride. The only thing it's doing is making people resent your lifestyle. At this point, the big city pride rallies that feature men in assless chaps riding a giant pink penis down main street for the past 30 years has turned people away from even hearing what you have to say about the topic. The same thing goes for marijuana, stop having the burnt out pot heads being your primary voice on the matter... You want people to take the issue seriously, start publicly acting like a sane, and rational everyday people and not acting like being gay/pothead is the ONLY thing that defines you as a person...

My wife is bi, and her best friend is a lesbian, my sister is a lesbian, and 2 of the 3 act like every day people who will openly talk about being bi and gay if the subject comes up and people who i normally hear talking down about gays and lesbians actually listen to what they have to say because they conduct themselves rationally, unlike the other person in the group who goes out of her way to throw it in everyone's faces, goes out of her way to be an attention whore, and who thinks being gay is what defines you as a person, instead of being a person who has a sexual preference to the same sex
 
2013-02-27 10:57:29 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: mafiageek1980

James F. Campbell: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I DESERVE BETTER RIGHTS THAN YOU.

Do you work hard at being an asshole, or does it come naturally?

THIS!

Obviously you didn't read the article where it clearly states:

"peaceful protests" were "against District Policy.

She engaged in a "peaceful protest"

So am I an asshole because I think she deserves the same rights and has to operate under the same guidelines as every other student in the district or is it because you didn't bother reading the article.


Oh I read the article, Jerk. But your comment (the way it was worded at least) made it seem like you were against LBGT folks having the same rights as everyone else. She's not asking for special rights at all. She wanted to express herself, the school board said no to a rather over-active degree. Tell me this, if a straight-christian person (yes, I am going there) were to do the same thing, do you think THEY would be so quick to enforce their little "no peaceful protest" thing?
 
2013-02-27 10:59:28 AM  

Ker_Thwap: I have a strong suspicion that that school already has anti bullying policies and education.  Slacktivist girl should have approached the administration and asked how she could participate on one of the already ongoing programs.  Instead she put herself on the same level of a student who chose to wear an "abortion is murder" t-shirt.  Vastly different message of course, but choosing to deliver it in the same inappropriate manner.

The policy protects this girl from having to put up other peoples crazy beliefs, and it protects the other students from having to put up with her every belief.


I have three daughters in public elementary and middle schools in Florida, and the anti-bullying messages are pervasive. There are anti-bullying banners in the hallways and the gym, flyers and notices are sent home to the parents, and so on, and so forth. There are even a few kids in the middle school who openly identify as gay, and nobody really seems to care. Which is how it should be.

I would be VERY surprised to find out that the schools in De Soto County are not giving out the same kind of anti-bullying messages as the county where I live. And for what it's worth, the De Soto School District has a "Report a Bully Hotline" number on their web site. So there are already resources available and in place to deal with bullying situations.

I have a very strong feeling that this girl was primarily interested in drawing attention to herself, rather than her cause
 
2013-02-27 10:59:31 AM  

CeroX: My wife is bi,


Ahem, you just did what you're complaining about.
 
2013-02-27 11:00:45 AM  
CeroX: b3x: It is really just like anyone else is is completely obsessed with some topic

I've said this a thousand times to my family and friends who are LGBT black:

The smartest thing to get the rights you want passed, is to STOP with the overboard posturing. Stop throwing it in people faces, stop with the attention whoring, and stop being over the top with the pride. The only thing it's doing is making people resent your lifestyle. At this point, the big city pride NAACP rallies that feature men in assless chaps riding a giant pink penis black people rapping down main street for the past 30 years has turned people away from even hearing what you have to say about the topic. The same thing goes for marijuana, stop having the burnt out pot heads being your primary voice on the matter... You want people to take the issue seriously, start publicly acting like a sane, and rational everyday people and not acting like being gay/pothead black is the ONLY thing that defines you as a person...

My wife is bi mixed, and her best friend is a lesbian black, my sister is a lesbian black, and 2 of the 3 act like every day people who will openly talk about being bi and gay black if the subject comes up and people who i normally hear talking down about gays and lesbians blacks actually listen to what they have to say because they conduct themselves rationally, unlike the other person in the group who goes out of her way to throw it in everyone's faces, goes out of her way to be an attention whore, and who thinks being gay black is what defines you as a person, instead of being a person who has a sexual racial preference to the same sex race
 
2013-02-27 11:03:32 AM  

Cybernetic: I have a very strong feeling that this girl was primarily interested in drawing attention to herself, rather than her cause


DING-DING-DING! We have a winnah!!!!
 
2013-02-27 11:04:46 AM  

WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: Take away the "activism" and they're left with nothing.

You know actually you're right, and if it hadn't been for activism we'd still have a legal system more anti-homosexual than those of some Warsaw Pact countries.

My comment was poorly worded. I didn't mean to imply that activism wasn't a good or necessary thing. It was instead intended to address those "professional" activists who's only purpose and sense of self-worth comes from their "activist" role. The day they get everything they ever want is the day they wither and die, because that thing that shaped their lives is no longer relevant.


Oh, so you're building a straw-man.Have fun with that.
 
2013-02-27 11:05:39 AM  

vudukungfu: The principal also called her parents to tell them their daughter was prohibited from participating in the National Day of Silence.

I'm afraid if it were my daughter, the principal and I would be having a one way conversation and his head would get put on straight.
He would receive one verbal warning from me, apologize to my kid, and STFU after that.
Or he'd be in court, losing. A lot.
I'd get an uppity high profile lawyer and tell him, tear flesh and you get 90%.


seadoo2006: vudukungfu: The principal also called her parents to tell them their daughter was prohibited from participating in the National Day of Silence.

I'm afraid if it were my daughter, the principal and I would be having a one way conversation and his head would get put on straight.
He would receive one verbal warning from me, apologize to my kid, and STFU after that.
Or he'd be in court, losing. A lot.
I'd get an uppity high profile lawyer and tell him, tear flesh and you get 90%.

This ... I would've been the parent telling him to get farked.


WhippingBoy: vudukungfu: The principal also called her parents to tell them their daughter was prohibited from participating in the National Day of Silence.

I'm afraid if it were my daughter, the principal and I would be having a one way conversation and his head would get put on straight.
He would receive one verbal warning from me, apologize to my kid, and STFU after that.
Or he'd be in court, losing. A lot.
I'd get an uppity high profile lawyer and tell him, tear flesh and you get 90%.

I'd totally go up to him and say "Hey man, you're wrong!!!", then I'd totally kick his ass.


Like totally dude then like I would join you guy and like go back to my third period freshman math class.....

//the special needs class for you
 
2013-02-27 11:08:02 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: CeroX: My wife is bi,

Ahem, you just did what you're complaining about.


a bit confused, care to expand?

I'm open to a rational conversation, i know i've said something to upset you in the past, and i'm assuming it may be on this subject, so now is the time to air out the laundry
 
2013-02-27 11:08:45 AM  

Cybernetic: Also, I would argue that the whiteboard is a far more active protest than the black armbands in the original Tinker decision. Tinker allows restrictions where they are necessary to avoid substantial interference with school discipline or the rights of others. Communicating via whiteboard has the effect of slowing down the class and interfering with the lesson, which impacts all of the students in her classes, even those who have no interest in or involvement with the protest. It also draws attention of the other students away from the task at hand, and generally makes it more difficult for the teachers to do their jobs. IMHO, that qualifies as disruptive, and therefore can be prohibited under the Tinker test. The rest of the students have the right to go about their school day without having their classes impeded by this student's chosen form of protest.


The whiteboard certainly allows the school district to argue that his case is distinguishable from Tinker, and it's possible that a court would find the use of a whiteboard is sufficiently disruptive as to allow the school to prohibit it.  But, looking at what is alleged in the complaint (and at the document that are attached to the complaint), the school did not prohibited her protest because it was disruptive, but rather because it was a protest.  Rather, the school informed the student, when she sought permission in advance, that:

It is inconsistent with the district's past practice to approve student protests on any of our campuses.  [The student's request] is disapproved. . . . Since this is classified as a protest, . . . I will not approve the activity on our campuses.

The school informed the student that she would not be permitted to take part in this protext not because it was a disruptive protest, but simply because it was a protest, period.  In a later email, the school's principal informed all teachers at the school that:

[W]e have a group of students today who have an intention of protesting.  The district has an absolute policy against protesting on school campuses.  If you have students who are wearing placard in protest of an issue . . . please notify the dean or administration, and we will handle it.

Finally, after the protest, the principal described the student's conduct thusly:

Amber Hatcher [the student in question] was dressed in a shirt protesting the occasion.  When her teacher sent her up to the office she was belligerent to the Dean.  She initially refused to answer then refused to step into IR [presumably, IR = in-school-suspension].  She was talked to and did finally give the phone numbers of her parents.  She was placed in IR for the day as they could not be reached.

It is clear from these emails that the school's intent (and the school's policy) was not simply to prohibit disruptive protests.  The school's policy was an absolute prohibition of any protests, in any form.  The school's description of the student's conduct does not mention the whiteboard, only the t-shirt (her conduct after being sent to the office is irrelevant, as there was no indication that it occurred among other students or disrupted other students, and in any event she had already been sent to the office for the shirt).  While Tinker has been narrowed somewhat in the 40+ years since it was decided, an absolute prohibition of student protests, including the wearing of any "placard in protest of an issue" is clearly inconsistent with the First Amendment, as the Court has applied it in the school context.
 
2013-02-27 11:09:27 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: tinfoil-hat maggie: WhippingBoy: Take away the "activism" and they're left with nothing.

You know actually you're right, and if it hadn't been for activism we'd still have a legal system more anti-homosexual than those of some Warsaw Pact countries.

My comment was poorly worded. I didn't mean to imply that activism wasn't a good or necessary thing. It was instead intended to address those "professional" activists who's only purpose and sense of self-worth comes from their "activist" role. The day they get everything they ever want is the day they wither and die, because that thing that shaped their lives is no longer relevant.

Oh, so you're building a straw-man.Have fun with that.


No I'm not! You are!
 
2013-02-27 11:09:55 AM  
yeah, the majority of days that don't have a "name"  you have ALL of those really, that's just how it works in a white straight dominated culture.


Oh my god, it is!

Most societies do tend to be dominated by the majority. Shocking.
 
2013-02-27 11:10:04 AM  

CeroX: tinfoil-hat maggie: CeroX: My wife is bi,

Ahem, you just did what you're complaining about.

a bit confused, care to expand?

I'm open to a rational conversation, i know i've said something to upset you in the past, and i'm assuming it may be on this subject, so now is the time to air out the laundry


You used your wife's sexuality to justify your own views on the matter.  Thus, you were doing the EXACT thing you were just railing on about (IE, the rightous self-justification of GBLTA members)
 
2013-02-27 11:10:54 AM  

KimNorth: vudukungfu: The principal also called her parents to tell them their daughter was prohibited from participating in the National Day of Silence.

I'm afraid if it were my daughter, the principal and I would be having a one way conversation and his head would get put on straight.
He would receive one verbal warning from me, apologize to my kid, and STFU after that.
Or he'd be in court, losing. A lot.
I'd get an uppity high profile lawyer and tell him, tear flesh and you get 90%.

seadoo2006: vudukungfu: The principal also called her parents to tell them their daughter was prohibited from participating in the National Day of Silence.

I'm afraid if it were my daughter, the principal and I would be having a one way conversation and his head would get put on straight.
He would receive one verbal warning from me, apologize to my kid, and STFU after that.
Or he'd be in court, losing. A lot.
I'd get an uppity high profile lawyer and tell him, tear flesh and you get 90%.

This ... I would've been the parent telling him to get farked.

WhippingBoy: vudukungfu: The principal also called her parents to tell them their daughter was prohibited from participating in the National Day of Silence.

I'm afraid if it were my daughter, the principal and I would be having a one way conversation and his head would get put on straight.
He would receive one verbal warning from me, apologize to my kid, and STFU after that.
Or he'd be in court, losing. A lot.
I'd get an uppity high profile lawyer and tell him, tear flesh and you get 90%.

I'd totally go up to him and say "Hey man, you're wrong!!!", then I'd totally kick his ass.

Like totally dude then like I would join you guy and like go back to my third period freshman math class.....

//the special needs class for you


Are you SERIOUS??? Do you know who you're dealing with here??? Didn't you read my comment??? I'm so totally gonna come over there and KICK. YOUR. ASS!!!!
 
2013-02-27 11:13:11 AM  
You go to school to learn, not be an attention whore. Dont want to talk the whole day? Call in sick and stay home. The shirt did not get her suspended subby, it was her refusal to communicate verbaly

/some people want more rights than other it seems.
 
2013-02-27 11:14:19 AM  
www.shoeboxblog.com
 
2013-02-27 11:15:49 AM  
You know seadoo2006, I think CeroX's advice is still valid even with your edit.  Fill in the blank with pretty much anything, and it's still solid advice.  When you have inflexible extremists championing a cause it's less convincing than having a spokesperson who's articulate and thoughtful.    To hyperbolize the example, abortion clinic bomber vs. Martin Luther King.  One is a footnote, one got something accomplished.
 
2013-02-27 11:16:33 AM  
seadoo2006

Not sure what you are trying to accomplish here, but if you are saying that having black skin is what defines a black person instead of their actions, then i think you missed the point...

Actions define a person not skin color or sexual preference...
 
b3x
2013-02-27 11:24:01 AM  

seadoo2006: CeroX: tinfoil-hat maggie: CeroX: My wife is bi,

Ahem, you just did what you're complaining about.

a bit confused, care to expand?

I'm open to a rational conversation, i know i've said something to upset you in the past, and i'm assuming it may be on this subject, so now is the time to air out the laundry

You used your wife's sexuality to justify your own views on the matter.  Thus, you were doing the EXACT thing you were just railing on about (IE, the rightous self-justification of GBLTA members)



I thought he was bragging ...
 
2013-02-27 11:26:24 AM  

seadoo2006: CeroX: tinfoil-hat maggie: CeroX: My wife is bi,

Ahem, you just did what you're complaining about.

a bit confused, care to expand?

I'm open to a rational conversation, i know i've said something to upset you in the past, and i'm assuming it may be on this subject, so now is the time to air out the laundry

You used your wife's sexuality to justify your own views on the matter.  Thus, you were doing the EXACT thing you were just railing on about (IE, the rightous self-justification of GBLTA members)


perhaps i just have bad writing skills, but i wasn't trying to justify... i don't need to, i have a viewpoint, i express these viewpoints to the people i know who happen to be gay/bi and generally speaking they would agree... except for one, if there's a counter to that argument, then i would openly hear it in a... wait for it... logical and rational manor... but if you want to tape your argument to a post-it note and sitck it on your hooha... don't expect to be taken serious...
 
2013-02-27 11:27:40 AM  

Ker_Thwap: You know seadoo2006, I think CeroX's advice is still valid even with your edit.  Fill in the blank with pretty much anything, and it's still solid advice.  When you have inflexible extremists championing a cause it's less convincing than having a spokesperson who's articulate and thoughtful.    To hyperbolize the example, abortion clinic bomber vs. Martin Luther King.  One is a footnote, one got something accomplished.


hey thanks... more articulate than i could put it...
 
2013-02-27 11:27:56 AM  
Seadoo2006


Thank you! It is excellent advice for all groups, in fact.
 
2013-02-27 11:31:10 AM  
Teenagers don't have rights.
 
2013-02-27 11:31:21 AM  

Cybernetic: jack21221: Schools really need to lighten up. They had to have known that this was a legal minefield. Just let the student peacefully protest that day and get on with it.

IIRC, under the Supreme Court's Tinker v. Des Moines decision, an institution (such as a school) has a right to restrict activities (which may include speech) that are outside the purpose of that institution.

So, as admirable as the purpose of the student might be, from a legal standpoint she is not necessarily in the right.

/IANAL


They can regulate speech.

Can the regulate not speaking?
 
2013-02-27 11:32:54 AM  

CeroX: seadoo2006: CeroX: tinfoil-hat maggie: CeroX: My wife is bi,

Ahem, you just did what you're complaining about.

a bit confused, care to expand?

I'm open to a rational conversation, i know i've said something to upset you in the past, and i'm assuming it may be on this subject, so now is the time to air out the laundry

You used your wife's sexuality to justify your own views on the matter.  Thus, you were doing the EXACT thing you were just railing on about (IE, the rightous self-justification of GBLTA members)

perhaps i just have bad writing skills, but i wasn't trying to justify... i don't need to, i have a viewpoint, i express these viewpoints to the people i know who happen to be gay/bi and generally speaking they would agree... except for one, if there's a counter to that argument, then i would openly hear it in a... wait for it... logical and rational manor... but if you want to tape your argument to a post-it note and sitck it on your hooha... don't expect to be taken serious...


I'd like to ask a question. What do you consider examples of what you said here, "STOP with the overboard posturing. Stop throwing it in people faces, stop with the attention whoring, and stop being over the top with the pride" ?
 
2013-02-27 11:33:02 AM  

seadoo2006: CeroX: tinfoil-hat maggie: CeroX: My wife is bi,

Ahem, you just did what you're complaining about.

a bit confused, care to expand?

I'm open to a rational conversation, i know i've said something to upset you in the past, and i'm assuming it may be on this subject, so now is the time to air out the laundry

You used your wife's sexuality to justify your own views on the matter.  Thus, you were doing the EXACT thing you were just railing on about (IE, the rightous self-justification of GBLTA members)


What i took away from CeroX's original post: 'I know three people that are LGBT(one is my wife). 2 of the 3 act like normal people when discussing it, the other is an attention whoring ass-hat. which do you think garners the most respect when speaking about it?'
 
2013-02-27 11:47:00 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail:  PAY ATTENTION TO ME I'M A LESBIAN AND I DESERVE BETTER RIGHTS THAN YOU.


I really love this new conservative talking point that equal rights are "special rights" or "better rights."

It's like a flashing neon warning sign.  Makes things easier.
 
2013-02-27 11:54:59 AM  

El_Perro: It is clear from these emails that the school's intent (and the school's policy) was not simply to prohibit disruptive protests. The school's policy was an absolute prohibition of any protests, in any form. The school's description of the student's conduct does not mention the whiteboard, only the t-shirt (her conduct after being sent to the office is irrelevant, as there was no indication that it occurred among other students or disrupted other students, and in any event she had already been sent to the office for the shirt). While Tinker has been narrowed somewhat in the 40+ years since it was decided, an absolute prohibition of student protests, including the wearing of any "placard in protest of an issue" is clearly inconsistent with the First Amendment, as the Court has applied it in the school context.


Supreme Court jurisprudence has far more to say about lewd speech and drug-related speech than it does about protests or political speech (Papish, Bethel, Hazelwood, and Morse). But those rulings clearly establish that students in school do not have the same First Amendment rights as adults in other settings.

The Tinker decision hinges on the idea that the wearing of armbands was "entirely divorced from actually or potentially disruptive conduct," and refers to their conduct as "silent, passive expression of opinion, unaccompanied by any disorder or disturbance."

The whole concept of the Day of Silence appears to be an attempt to adhere to the letter of the Tinker decision while defying its spirit. Keeping silent adheres to the Tinker standard of "silent, passive expression". Communication by whiteboard is significantly slower than speaking, and thus inherently disruptive to the flow of instruction, and also serves to draw attention to the protester, and therefore constitutes a "disorder or disturbance".

The lawsuit itself admits that the student knew that she could not "materially and substantially disrupt the school environment or the rights of others," and describes the Day of Silence as "inherently expressive" and "a day of action." I find it difficult to reconcile that first statement with the other two.

The school's report may not mention the whiteboard, but that doesn't mean that the presence and use of the whiteboard was not disruptive or relevant to her removal from class.
 
2013-02-27 11:55:29 AM  

ciberido: Random Anonymous Blackmail:  PAY ATTENTION TO ME I'M A LESBIAN AND I DESERVE BETTER RIGHTS THAN YOU.

I really love this new conservative talking point that equal rights are "special rights" or "better rights."

It's like a flashing neon warning sign.  Makes things easier.


You're taking away the conservative "right to discriminate", you bigot. ;)
 
2013-02-27 11:55:30 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: CeroX: seadoo2006: CeroX: tinfoil-hat maggie: CeroX: My wife is bi,

Ahem, you just did what you're complaining about.

a bit confused, care to expand?

I'm open to a rational conversation, i know i've said something to upset you in the past, and i'm assuming it may be on this subject, so now is the time to air out the laundry

You used your wife's sexuality to justify your own views on the matter.  Thus, you were doing the EXACT thing you were just railing on about (IE, the rightous self-justification of GBLTA members)

perhaps i just have bad writing skills, but i wasn't trying to justify... i don't need to, i have a viewpoint, i express these viewpoints to the people i know who happen to be gay/bi and generally speaking they would agree... except for one, if there's a counter to that argument, then i would openly hear it in a... wait for it... logical and rational manor... but if you want to tape your argument to a post-it note and sitck it on your hooha... don't expect to be taken serious...

I'd like to ask a question. What do you consider examples of what you said here, "STOP with the overboard posturing. Stop throwing it in people faces, stop with the attention whoring, and stop being over the top with the pride" ?


Ok, i'll use our friend as an example, i love her to death, but she's not tasteful or tactful about the subject... going out with us to dinner, and wearing a black shirt with just the word F*G (starred for fark filters) on it to a family restaurant, then flying off the handle at complete strangers who might roll their eyes or give a disgusted look. She about got us thrown out of Red Robin for that one...

Here's another one, walking back to the car after going out to a club, she's in face, and just starts yelling at this group of girls standing at their car because they were pointing and whispering...

those the kind of examples you are looking for?
 
2013-02-27 11:58:22 AM  

Farce-Side: Peaceful protests against school board policy?  Violence that shiat up a bit then.

Seriously though, if the principal and or dean or whatever made up administrative position they have there to siphon money from the tax payers didn't make a big deal out of it, let her do her stupid little no talking ghey thing, nobody would have cared or even noticed.  If they are trying to prevent the ghey in their school, they are failing, and probably turning more kids ghey as a result.

Ipso facto, public schools are turning our kids gay.  Somebody get outraged.


Is there some reason you're using "gay" and "ghey" in the same post?  Are you having a stroke or are the different spellings supposed to have different meanings?
 
2013-02-27 12:02:24 PM  

ciberido: Farce-Side: Peaceful protests against school board policy?  Violence that shiat up a bit then.

Seriously though, if the principal and or dean or whatever made up administrative position they have there to siphon money from the tax payers didn't make a big deal out of it, let her do her stupid little no talking ghey thing, nobody would have cared or even noticed.  If they are trying to prevent the ghey in their school, they are failing, and probably turning more kids ghey as a result.

Ipso facto, public schools are turning our kids gay.  Somebody get outraged.

Is there some reason you're using "gay" and "ghey" in the same post?  Are you having a stroke or are the different spellings supposed to have different meanings?


Eh, no reason.  Just like to switch it up sometimes.  Variety is the spice of life, no?
 
2013-02-27 12:07:08 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: I'd like to ask a question. What do you consider examples of what you said here, "STOP with the overboard posturing. Stop throwing it in people faces, stop with the attention whoring, and stop being over the top with the pride" ?


You know... It's okay if you're gay, as long as I don't know about it. "Don't ask don't tell" never hurt anybody, right?
 
2013-02-27 12:07:26 PM  
Stop that! Your making the bullies feel bad.
 
2013-02-27 12:08:48 PM  
 PAY ATTENTION TO ME I'M A LESBIAN AND I DESERVE BETTER RIGHTS THAN YOU.

I really love this new conservative talking point that equal rights are "special rights" or "better rights."

It's like a flashing neon warning sign.  Makes things easier


I'll bet. Thank god for shortcuts to thinking.
 
2013-02-27 12:09:33 PM  

CeroX: Ok, i'll use our friend as an example, i love her to death, but she's not tasteful or tactful about the subject... going out with us to dinner, and wearing a black shirt with just the word F*G (starred for fark filters) on it to a family restaurant, then flying off the handle at complete strangers who might roll their eyes or give a disgusted look. She about got us thrown out of Red Robin for that one...

Here's another one, walking back to the car after going out to a club, she's in face, and just starts yelling at this group of girls standing at their car because they were pointing and whispering...

those the kind of examples you are looking for?


So you're saying you know one person ( a friend ) that does those things and acts out but it was relevant here. Anyway sorry but I'm sensing a concern troll but maybe that's just me and it's my opinion man.
 
2013-02-27 12:12:24 PM  

Diogenes: pDiablo: happens every day..some people are just blind to it cos its not minority race related so aint news worthy.and we dont jump up and down screaming about rights and descrimination

I would expect a straight, white hardworking family man could speak American better.


And except for spelling, comma splices, you're/your, it's/its, to/too, and the occasional subordinate clause ending with a period, you'd be right to expect so.
 
2013-02-27 12:12:29 PM  

GranoblasticMan: tinfoil-hat maggie: I'd like to ask a question. What do you consider examples of what you said here, "STOP with the overboard posturing. Stop throwing it in people faces, stop with the attention whoring, and stop being over the top with the pride" ?

You know... It's okay if you're gay, as long as I don't know about it. "Don't ask don't tell" never hurt anybody, right?


That's what I hear.
 
2013-02-27 12:15:42 PM  
What ever happened to say out of my bed room? Who gives a shiat who you like to fark if they are old enough?
Reminds me of the attention whores for jesus
 
2013-02-27 12:18:25 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's not clear at all why the administration turned this into such a major issue. Or why the teacher sent her to the principal for such a minor disobedient act.


When you disregard the content of her message, the answer is obvious -- she is being punished for being disobedient.

From the authoritarian's perspective, having an underling be disobedient (in this case by asserting something) is far more of a problem than the content of her assertion.

The school's highest value is extracting compliance, even if it's entirely symbolic.

That's the essence of all governmental operations, actually.  For example, they care far less that you pay your taxes than that you agree that you are obligated to pay taxes.  They don't need the money.  They'd much rather have your submission.
 
2013-02-27 12:20:16 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's not clear at all why the administration turned this into such a major issue. Or why the teacher sent her to the principal for such a minor disobedient act. She was using a whiteboard to communicate.

It's not even that I think she should be allowed to get away with anything, but in this case what exactly are they trying to pin on this girl?

It's ridiculous.


Next time, get a note from her gay doc that says she has laryngitis and cant speak and needs the whiteboard.

apparently, the school has a policy against protests.  Thats life.  You next boss might have a policy against nose piercings.  If you want to go there, dont get the nose pierced.
 
2013-02-27 12:27:29 PM  

dennysgod: FTA: She arrived to school on the following day wearing a red T-shirt with the message "DOS April 20, 2012: Shhhhh" and communicated using a dry-erase board.

There's little facts in this on-sided article but communicating with a dry-erase board when there was no physical or school sanction reason for it, is what probably lead to her ISS and not the t-shirt.


What if everyone in the class did this.  Can you imagine trying to teach and having to wait 30 seconds for each response from students?  Suspend that biatch.  Go protest on your own time.
 
2013-02-27 12:29:48 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: dennysgod: FTA: She arrived to school on the following day wearing a red T-shirt with the message "DOS April 20, 2012: Shhhhh" and communicated using a dry-erase board.

There's little facts in this on-sided article but communicating with a dry-erase board when there was no physical or school sanction reason for it, is what probably lead to her ISS and not the t-shirt.

What if everyone in the class did this.  Can you imagine trying to teach and having to wait 30 seconds for each response from students?  Suspend that biatch.  Go protest on your own time.


What are you talking about? *Her* protest is correct and valid. All other protests are wrong. She should get special privileges because I agree with what she's doing.
 
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2013-02-27 12:31:44 PM  

El_Perro: Cybernetic: Also, I would argue that the whiteboard is a far more active protest than the black armbands in the original Tinker decision. Tinker allows restrictions where they are necessary to avoid substantial interference with school discipline or the rights of others. Communicating via whiteboard has the effect of slowing down the class and interfering with the lesson, which impacts all of the students in her classes, even those who have no interest in or involvement with the protest. It also draws attention of the other students away from the task at hand, and generally makes it more difficult for the teachers to do their jobs. IMHO, that qualifies as disruptive, and therefore can be prohibited under the Tinker test. The rest of the students have the right to go about their school day without having their classes impeded by this student's chosen form of protest.

The whiteboard certainly allows the school district to argue that his case is distinguishable from Tinker, and it's possible that a court would find the use of a whiteboard is sufficiently disruptive as to allow the school to prohibit it.  But, looking at what is alleged in the complaint (and at the document that are attached to the complaint), the school did not prohibited her protest because it was disruptive, but rather because it was a protest.  Rather, the school informed the student, when she sought permission in advance, that:

It is inconsistent with the district's past practice to approve student protests on any of our campuses.  [The student's request] is disapproved. . . . Since this is classified as a protest, . . . I will not approve the activity on our campuses.

The school informed the student that she would not be permitted to take part in this protext not because it was a disruptive protest, but simply because it was a protest, period.  In a later email, the school's principal informed all teachers at the school that:

[W]e have a group of students today who have an intention of protest ...


Bottom line, is it is a stupid attention whoring and disruptive PROTEST at a school. Public schools are not an appropriate place to be protesting. I can imagine that if a bunch of (insert organized religion)'s were organizing a DAY OF SILENCE because (insert their high power) wasn't getting enough airplay at school, then groups like the LGBT groups that are OMG OPPRESSION at this girls suspension would be all totally OK with it. The primary focus of public high schools is to educate kids enough that they can get into a college, where they can go join a activist cult and do all kinds of fun protests every night. It is not a venue for attention whores, no matter what their cause, to stir up the media and every other over the top nutjob. Really, I put this kind of crap right up there with Westboro Baptist Church ... it all amounts to the same thing: Media Terrorism. Purposely provoking a reaction, and then becoming a BLOG sensation. I hope we can look back on these days, and lament our hyper-sensationalizing every kid who gets suspended from school for doing something they were told not to do.
 
2013-02-27 12:31:49 PM  

99.998er: I am sure many of my fellow Farkers will think I am a jerk (as if they didn't already), but I will throw in my 2 cents. I support gay/lesbian rights, marriage, adoption, etc. However, there is a difference between expressing your views and grandstanding. I feel pretty sure the entire school and most of the community realize Amber is a lesbian by now. Some will agree with her, some will not. It is Florida after all. I appreciate her courage to voice her opinion and to stand up for what is right in a free society. However, I hardly think she is a trailblazer in her plight. Sometimes the best way to get point across is to act like a human being instead of a lesbian human being. They already know her sexual orientation so there is no reason keep banging that drum. It is kind of the reverse Streisand effect. She is bringing it out to the public and media likes she wants, but she risks many people just thinking she is an attention whore that is looking for her 15 minutes of martyrdom.


I have a better word than "jerk."  How about "concern troll," if we must have a label for you.

Bravo for subtly, though.
 
2013-02-27 12:34:25 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: So you're saying you know one person ( a friend ) that does those things and acts out but it was relevant here. Anyway sorry but I'm sensing a concern troll but maybe that's just me and it's my opinion man.



It's not just the one friend with the chip on her shoulder... Take some of the big annual pride parades... been to one with floats and everything, there was a group of guys who were all wearing the assless and leather vest get ups... they were going down the parade ruote acting like they were f-ing and had pink supersoakers that they were sticking between their legs and spraying the crowd...
That is the kind of behavior that, in my opinion, destroys the credibility of the movement and has the exact opposite reaction from the very people that need to have their minds changed...
I'll use the Pot legalization movement as another example of having the wrong people in the public spotlight and out in public in general. When you had burn outs and cheech and chong doing stupid stuff, it was a major turn off for people. They look at that behavior and say "No, it's obvious what pot does to people, i'm not going to support it". Now that Cheech is acting respectably on TV and chong is seen as a sad washed up pot actor, and the movement has had respectable people like doctors and lawyers who are speaking up about it, the idea is starting to take hold...
And i KNOW the lgbt community have plenty of rallies that attempt to show people that there are people out there who aren't over the top, they get out there in normal clothes and hold up banners, but there are still, for lack of a better term, deviants out there who go to the extreme to make people uncomfortable and then demand that they act like nothing is wrong...
 
2013-02-27 12:34:28 PM  

jayhawk88: ...but the school's principal said "peaceful protests" were "against District Policy."

Wow. I mean, I've read my share of Nazi High School stories, I'm not exactly shocked by this, but to see it spelled out in such a way is pretty amazing.


Go protest on your own time.  Dry erase board not disruptive?   Does the school system deal with hearing disabled students?  Yes, in limited quantities in classed with a small teacher to student ratio.  You go try to teach 30 kids and have to keep walking to the back of the room to read a handwritten answer to your question.  Might as well take the entire day off for Gay Day, because no teaching is going to happen.
 
2013-02-27 12:34:57 PM  
As an alumni from that high school, this pleases me. I wish her the best of luck.
 
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