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2013-02-27 09:52:20 AM  
James F. Campbell


Random Anonymous Blackmail: I DESERVE BETTER RIGHTS THAN YOU.

Do you work hard at being an asshole, or does it come naturally?


Quit white knighting her. She has just as many rights in the school system as any other kid which is close to zero. Not only that but you are taking an article from Raw Story as fact, this rag is like reading the Consumerist.
 
2013-02-27 09:52:30 AM  
Sort of a bad P.R. move to put a 'National Day of [anything]' on Hitler's birthday.

Allows your opponents to imply all sorts of bad connections
 
2013-02-27 09:53:07 AM  
AW gets support because she claims to be gay. News at 10, 11, and 12
 
2013-02-27 09:53:43 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Sort of a bad P.R. move to put a 'National Day of [anything]' on Hitler's birthday.

Allows your opponents to imply all sorts of bad connections


Also, that day is to remember Columbine, and smoke lots of ganja.  And sometimes Earth Day.
 
2013-02-27 09:54:07 AM  

pDiablo: happens every day..some people are just blind to it cos its not minority race related so aint news worthy.and we dont jump up and down screaming about rights and descrimination


I would expect a straight, white hardworking family man could speak American better.
 
2013-02-27 09:54:49 AM  
I am so annoyed with the LGBT moniker...
 
2013-02-27 09:55:46 AM  

James F. Campbell: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I DESERVE BETTER RIGHTS THAN YOU.

Do you work hard at being an asshole, or does it come naturally?


THIS!
 
2013-02-27 09:56:07 AM  
I went to high school 89-93 in North Jersey. If this had happened then, other students would have joined in the protest and there would have been fire alarms pulled and a walk-out. Although, more than half the students participating would have done so not for the cause, but for the fun of making a ruckus. We didn't have a gay-staight alliance, but we had an Amnesty Chapter in the school that no doubt would have organized something. We even had an organized protest against the "no hats" rule. I personally reported a NJ-DEP violation. We loved stirring stuff up. But, that's the Northeast for ya.

There was a day I communicated with a note-pad. I had lost my voice. Instead of being punished, my classmates and teachers were only mildly amused.

Good for her for filing a law suit. It's public school. They have to allow this sort of expression. Folks who have a problem with it should send their kids to private religious schools or home school.
 
2013-02-27 09:56:24 AM  
Did not anyone, of all the "educators" involved in this hubbub, see the crazy irony of them bullying her to stop talking about/ protesting bullying?

Isn't it also great that, if they just shut up about it, we would have never heard this story -- but since they were bullies, we get more awareness of the cause?
 
2013-02-27 09:56:46 AM  
She should have gotten her tongue pierced the day before... Then she would have had a real excuse for when they called her shenanigans that were explicitly prohibited (because all protests are always sanctioned, right? right?? right.)


<csb
Someone I knew in high school told me about a thing that was similar to this... right around prom time, they would pick a random senior to be dead for a day. They would participate in all of their regular assigned duties, but nobody was supposed to talk to them, in order to make the students more aware of the teen drinking and driving problems that magically manifest around that same time.
/csb>
 
2013-02-27 09:57:20 AM  

pDiablo: hmm lets see, gay pride, lesbian day, hmm oh yes notting hill carnival ( celebration weekend for afro carrbibean culture..hey how about this one... Straight, white hardworking family man day..gimme a date and we'll make it so...


it's every tuesday asshat. we have meetings.

/white straight guy here
//can't stand people who hate for something as stupid as who you like to bang.
 
2013-02-27 09:58:32 AM  
Oh, come on. It's not special rights or snowflake syndrome.  It's one kid wearing an inoffensive t-shirt and keeping quiet for one day. I participated (along with many others) when I was in school.  And guess what - nobody gave a shiat.  We were allowed to feel like we were upholding our beliefs and convictions, and the lunchroom was way quieter for a day.

I wonder how her civics teacher took that whole 'peaceful protest against policy' nonsense.  We're teaching kids. Teaching. So when the administrators do this stupid shiat, what are we teaching them? To not ask questions, to not stand up peacefully to defend their beliefs? To just lay down and do what you're told?  Sounds like a republican to me.
 
2013-02-27 09:59:23 AM  
FTFA: An openly lesbian student on Tuesday sued her high school in Florida after she was suspended for participating in an anti-bullying event.

Awwww...look how cute the li'l lesbian is, thinking her "rights" matter. She's all growed up now!

I refer you to "Bong Hits 4 Jesus v. Alaska," sweetheart...
 
2013-02-27 09:59:38 AM  
doyoulikelikeme.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-27 10:00:28 AM  

Meerlar: She should have gotten her tongue pierced the day before... Then she would have had a real excuse for when they called her shenanigans that were explicitly prohibited (because all protests are always sanctioned, right? right?? right.)


<csb
Someone I knew in high school told me about a thing that was similar to this... right around prom time, they would pick a random senior to be dead for a day. They would participate in all of their regular assigned duties, but nobody was supposed to talk to them, in order to make the students more aware of the teen drinking and driving problems that magically manifest around that same time.
/csb>


Hey, we did that too. Only "death" would come around and 'kill' ten people a period.  (our school was over 6000 ppl)
 
2013-02-27 10:01:04 AM  
I have another gem for ya. A friend of mind was kicked out of a pep rally and suspended for holding up a posterboard that said, "Who cares?" You would expect that in Texas, but not NJ. I wish we had protest that.

I work in a school system now that has an active GSA. Our television program ran a commercial actively promoting the Day of Silence and encouraging more kids to participate - in an INNER CITY SCHOOL - not some posh suburban land of entitled snowflakes. I think Florida and Texas just have to grow up.
 
2013-02-27 10:02:59 AM  
Lezbo Bondage
www.rawstory.com
 
2013-02-27 10:05:03 AM  
What kind of nerd would take a case like this, anyway?
 
2013-02-27 10:05:22 AM  

probesport: [doyoulikelikeme.files.wordpress.com image 339x344]


That was my first thought when reading the headline.
 
2013-02-27 10:05:41 AM  

AphoticStar: spyderqueen: Okay, I'm not saying that this school isn't administrated by total assholes, but it's not like she got surprised with this suspension.  She knew it was the punishment she faced for doing this anyway.

Rosa Parks also knew the punishment she faced for doing what she did.


Rosa Parks is also a load of horseshiat.  So much of our "history" is nothing but lies and bullcrap.
 
2013-02-27 10:05:46 AM  
I am sure many of my fellow Farkers will think I am a jerk (as if they didn't already), but I will throw in my 2 cents. I support gay/lesbian rights, marriage, adoption, etc. However, there is a difference between expressing your views and grandstanding. I feel pretty sure the entire school and most of the community realize Amber is a lesbian by now. Some will agree with her, some will not. It is Florida after all. I appreciate her courage to voice her opinion and to stand up for what is right in a free society. However, I hardly think she is a trailblazer in her plight. Sometimes the best way to get point across is to act like a human being instead of a lesbian human being. They already know her sexual orientation so there is no reason keep banging that drum. It is kind of the reverse Streisand effect. She is bringing it out to the public and media likes she wants, but she risks many people just thinking she is an attention whore that is looking for her 15 minutes of martyrdom.

This really isn't much different than from pulling out the ole race card, when race had nothing to do with a certain situation.
 
2013-02-27 10:06:24 AM  

DarkVader: spyderqueen: Okay, I'm not saying that this school isn't administrated by total assholes, but it's not like she got surprised with this suspension.  She knew it was the punishment she faced for doing this anyway.

No.

An unconstitutional action taken by a public school is no less unconstitutional because the school announced it ahead of time.


Children in school do not have the same freedoms adults do, this has been gone over time and time again in the courts. If a kid wants to break school rules, they have to be willing to be punished. This is not a case of a T-shirt, she was being a douche, pure and simple.

Want to end bullying? Teach your kids to stand up for themselves. Christ, how hard is that? Teaching them to cry just enables it more.
 
2013-02-27 10:09:21 AM  

James F. Campbell: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I DESERVE BETTER RIGHTS THAN YOU.

Do you work hard at being an asshole, or does it come naturally?


If he's being serious, RAB's thesis is wrong. Unfortunately, your cutting, rational point by point rebuttal does not prove that to be the case.

And reading your profile leads me to think that, psychologically, you have much in common with either the girl in the article or a 12 year old boy.
 
2013-02-27 10:09:34 AM  

xanadian: FTFA: An openly lesbian student on Tuesday sued her high school in Florida after she was suspended for participating in an anti-bullying event.

Awwww...look how cute the li'l lesbian is, thinking her "rights" matter. She's all growed up now!

I refer you to "Bong Hits 4 Jesus v. Alaska," sweetheart...


Wow, I'm surprised at you but yeah I can completely see the similarities in supporting what can be construed as an illegal and anti-bullying.
 
2013-02-27 10:10:57 AM  
We had these back when I was in school. The administration sent out announcements so that students wouldn't get in trouble.

It's a good civics lesson. It's an opportunity for History and English teachers to talk about the history of civil rights and peaceful protest. It's an opportunity to address bullying and discrimination.

Any school administrator too dense or narrow-minded to understand that this is part of their job description should be thrown out on their butt. It's also important to understand that allowing the students a little bit of a release like this prevents more serious infractions from occurring; did they fall asleep for four years when they were being taught this?
 
2013-02-27 10:13:22 AM  
The principal also called her parents to tell them their daughter was prohibited from participating in the National Day of Silence.

I'm afraid if it were my daughter, the principal and I would be having a one way conversation and his head would get put on straight.
He would receive one verbal warning from me, apologize to my kid, and STFU after that.
Or he'd be in court, losing. A lot.
I'd get an uppity high profile lawyer and tell him, tear flesh and you get 90%.
 
2013-02-27 10:13:37 AM  
mafiageek1980

James F. Campbell: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I DESERVE BETTER RIGHTS THAN YOU.

Do you work hard at being an asshole, or does it come naturally?

THIS!


Obviously you didn't read the article where it clearly states:

"peaceful protests" were "against District Policy.

She engaged in a "peaceful protest"

So am I an asshole because I think she deserves the same rights and has to operate under the same guidelines as every other student in the district or is it because you didn't bother reading the article.
 
2013-02-27 10:15:54 AM  

vudukungfu: The principal also called her parents to tell them their daughter was prohibited from participating in the National Day of Silence.

I'm afraid if it were my daughter, the principal and I would be having a one way conversation and his head would get put on straight.
He would receive one verbal warning from me, apologize to my kid, and STFU after that.
Or he'd be in court, losing. A lot.
I'd get an uppity high profile lawyer and tell him, tear flesh and you get 90%.


This ... I would've been the parent telling him to get farked.
 
2013-02-27 10:17:08 AM  

xanadian: FTFA: An openly lesbian student on Tuesday sued her high school in Florida after she was suspended for participating in an anti-bullying event.

Awwww...look how cute the li'l lesbian is, thinking her "rights" matter. She's all growed up now!

I refer you to "Bong Hits 4 Jesus v. Alaska," sweetheart...


This. It's not your grandma's Tinker.

/I don't agree with "Bong Hits", but it's the trend
//are we still hating on homeschooling?
 
2013-02-27 10:17:57 AM  

vudukungfu: The principal also called her parents to tell them their daughter was prohibited from participating in the National Day of Silence.

I'm afraid if it were my daughter, the principal and I would be having a one way conversation and his head would get put on straight.
He would receive one verbal warning from me, apologize to my kid, and STFU after that.
Or he'd be in court, losing. A lot.
I'd get an uppity high profile lawyer and tell him, tear flesh and you get 90%.


I'd totally go up to him and say "Hey man, you're wrong!!!", then I'd totally kick his ass.
 
2013-02-27 10:18:11 AM  
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2013-02-27 10:20:03 AM  

Cybernetic: jack21221: Schools really need to lighten up. They had to have known that this was a legal minefield. Just let the student peacefully protest that day and get on with it.

IIRC, under the Supreme Court's Tinker v. Des Moines decision, an institution (such as a school) has a right to restrict activities (which may include speech) that are outside the purpose of that institution.

So, as admirable as the purpose of the student might be, from a legal standpoint she is not necessarily in the right.

/IANAL


Respectfully, that's almost 100% backwards. In Tinker, the Supreme Court held that a school could not punish a student wearing a black armband as a Vietnam protest, absent any evidence that the punishment was necessary to avoid substantial interference with school discipline or the rights of others. As they said in that decision:
"First Amendment rights, applied in light of the special characteristics of the school environment, are available to teachers and students. It can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate. This has been the unmistakable holding of this Court for almost 50 years. "

The white board is the only distinction here, but I'd say Tinker still applies. Specifically, the holding in Tinker noted that:
"The school officials banned and sought to punish petitioners for a silent, passive expression of opinion, unaccompanied by any disorder or disturbance on the part of petitioners. There is here no evidence whatever of petitioners' interference, actual or nascent, with the schools' work or of collision with the rights of other students to be secure and to be let alone. Accordingly, this case does not concern speech or action that intrudes upon the work of the schools or the rights of other students."
Similarly, use of a white board is a silent protest, unaccompanied by any disorder or disturbance.

Further, I'd be willing to bet that the school doesn't suspend kids who are deaf or mute and communicate via writing. This was a punishment specifically because of the student's political views.
 
2013-02-27 10:20:18 AM  
mafiageek1980

James F. Campbell: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I DESERVE BETTER RIGHTS THAN YOU.

Do you work hard at being an asshole, or does it come naturally?

THIS!

Obviously you didn't read the article where it clearly states:

"peaceful protests" were "against District Policy.

She engaged in a "peaceful protest"

So am I an asshole because I think she deserves the same rights and has to operate under the same guidelines as every other student in the district or is it because you didn't bother reading the article.


Your stupid logic is trumped by her being a lesbian. Anything else, and everyone here would be piling on the AW teen, but since she is gay, you are now just a hateful bigot. Learn to be correct.
 
2013-02-27 10:21:05 AM  

Thunderpipes: Want to end bullying? Teach your kids to stand up for themselves. Christ, how hard is that? Teaching them to cry just enables it more.



How about teachng your kid not to be a bully?
 
2013-02-27 10:21:15 AM  

dennysgod: FTA: She arrived to school on the following day wearing a red T-shirt with the message "DOS April 20, 2012: Shhhhh" and communicated using a dry-erase board.

There's little facts in this on-sided article but communicating with a dry-erase board when there was no physical or school sanction reason for it, is what probably lead to her ISS and not the t-shirt.


I think it was the whole thing, but TFH from TFA makes it sound like it was the shirt 100%. I think it was th totality of the protest, the silence, the shirt, the dry erase board.

Either way, the school farked the pooch on this one, they should have just let her do her thing, it sounds like about the most tolerable protest int he history of protesting. What a bunch of dicks...

And just having a policy in place that "peaceful protests" aren't allowed doesn't mean that it's not a violation. Oh well, maybe they need to find out what the alternative to PEACEFUL protests are?
 
2013-02-27 10:22:14 AM  
I think we've all lost sight of what's truly important here: what does she look like?
How are we supposed to know how outraged we should be unless we know this?
 
2013-02-27 10:24:43 AM  

give me doughnuts: Thunderpipes: Want to end bullying? Teach your kids to stand up for themselves. Christ, how hard is that? Teaching them to cry just enables it more.


How about teachng your kid not to be a bully?


It's okay ... kids have already figured out the relief valve here ... what you may ask? Well, guns equalize bullying ... bullies SHOULD be afraid for their lives.  I mean, could you imagine how polite everyone would be if they thought that little Jimmy with the ratty clothes might take 20 people out?

Thunderpipes should be all for this.  After all, an armed society is a polite society, right?

School shootings have equalized the playground.  Carry on.
 
b3x
2013-02-27 10:26:06 AM  
at some point the LGBT community is going to come to the realization that society doesn't hate them for being LGBT, we are just annoyed that some wont SHUT THE FARK UP about being LGBT. It is really just like anyone else is is completely obsessed with some topic, that they just won't shut up about ... people roll their eyes and walk away, and then make fun of them at the water cooler. It isn't about who they are having sex with, it's about having something to talk about other than your lifestyle. Work on your social skills, and stop being so farking angry.

PETA is the same way. Yes we all agree that animals shouldn't be abused, but really your totally over the top. Ease up.
 
2013-02-27 10:28:14 AM  

b3x: at some point the LGBT community is going to come to the realization that society doesn't hate them for being LGBT, we are just annoyed that some wont SHUT THE FARK UP about being LGBT. It is really just like anyone else is is completely obsessed with some topic, that they just won't shut up about ... people roll their eyes and walk away, and then make fun of them at the water cooler. It isn't about who they are having sex with, it's about having something to talk about other than your lifestyle. Work on your social skills, and stop being so farking angry.

PETA is the same way. Yes we all agree that animals shouldn't be abused, but really your totally over the top. Ease up.


Not gonna happen. These are the only things that give meaning to these people's poor, tragic, lives of desperation. Take away the "activism" and they're left with nothing.
 
2013-02-27 10:28:17 AM  
Stop approving The Raw Story links. Never works to read them in the mobile app.
 
2013-02-27 10:29:31 AM  
Done in two!
 
2013-02-27 10:31:32 AM  
I think a lot of you want the school to be in the morality business and just sneak it in under the auspices of civics.  It's kind of amusing watching the liberals try this same kind of crap that the conservatives used to pull.

I have a strong suspicion that that school already has anti bullying policies and education.  Slacktivist girl should have approached the administration and asked how she could participate on one of the already ongoing programs.  Instead she put herself on the same level of a student who chose to wear an "abortion is murder" t-shirt.  Vastly different message of course, but choosing to deliver it in the same inappropriate manner.

The policy protects this girl from having to put up other peoples crazy beliefs, and it protects the other students from having to put up with her every belief.
 
2013-02-27 10:38:00 AM  
Coolfusis:
When a straight, white hardworking family man gets tied to a post and beaten to death just for being a straight, white hardworking family man, we'll give you your own day.

That happens to me every single day!

Well, figuratively, anyway.
 
2013-02-27 10:39:25 AM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: jack21221

Schools really need to lighten up. They had to have known that this was a legal minefield. Just let the student peacefully protest that day and get on with it.

Agreed, but also the spoiled snowflakes start stomping their feet and kicking up dust when they are not getting the attention they think they deserve. It sounds a lot like "no one is paying attention to me" PAY ATTENTION TO ME I'M A LESBIAN AND I DESERVE BETTER RIGHTS THAN YOU.

I blame the parents.


better rights?   I'm sure this was slammed above this, but what exactly are the "better rights"?

the right to go to school to learn
the right to bring an age appropriate date to a school social function
the right not to have a living hell of a school experience day in and day out?
the right to not be shunned by the administration and the students for being different?
oh i know its her first amendment rights, those are the better ones.... right?

/hate that argument (better rights)
// its the SAME rights... stupid idjit
///comes in threes
 
2013-02-27 10:40:22 AM  

WhippingBoy: Take away the "activism" and they're left with nothing.


You know actually you're right, and if it hadn't been for activism we'd still have a legal system more anti-homosexual than those of some Warsaw Pact countries.
 
2013-02-27 10:43:07 AM  
It's "pink shirt" day here in Canada. You wear a pink shirt to school to show your support for anti-bullying.
Last year my seven year old son didn't wear a pink shirt to school. He was ostracized and "bullied" because of it.

Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
 
2013-02-27 10:43:24 AM  

pDiablo: hmm lets see, gay pride, lesbian day, hmm oh yes notting hill carnival ( celebration weekend for afro carrbibean culture..hey how about this one... Straight, white hardworking family man day..gimme a date and we'll make it so...


yeah, the majority of days that don't have a "name"  you have ALL of those really, that's just how it works in a white straight dominated culture.
 
2013-02-27 10:44:24 AM  
This is the most disappointing 'Lesbian Teen' story I have ever read. It was almost impossible to fap to.

Almost.
 
2013-02-27 10:46:42 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Coolfusis:
When a straight, white hardworking family man gets tied to a post and beaten to death just for being a straight, white hardworking family man, we'll give you your own day.

[www.weirdspace.dk image 150x394]


well technically hes a Jew, and Jews don't count unless there are too few "other" white people...

/same for Italians
//eastern Europe
///then Slavs
 
2013-02-27 10:47:25 AM  

Theaetetus: Cybernetic: jack21221: Schools really need to lighten up. They had to have known that this was a legal minefield. Just let the student peacefully protest that day and get on with it.

IIRC, under the Supreme Court's Tinker v. Des Moines decision, an institution (such as a school) has a right to restrict activities (which may include speech) that are outside the purpose of that institution.

So, as admirable as the purpose of the student might be, from a legal standpoint she is not necessarily in the right.

/IANAL

Respectfully, that's almost 100% backwards. In Tinker, the Supreme Court held that a school could not punish a student wearing a black armband as a Vietnam protest, absent any evidence that the punishment was necessary to avoid substantial interference with school discipline or the rights of others. As they said in that decision:
"First Amendment rights, applied in light of the special characteristics of the school environment, are available to teachers and students. It can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate. This has been the unmistakable holding of this Court for almost 50 years. "

The white board is the only distinction here, but I'd say Tinker still applies. Specifically, the holding in Tinker noted that:
"The school officials banned and sought to punish petitioners for a silent, passive expression of opinion, unaccompanied by any disorder or disturbance on the part of petitioners. There is here no evidence whatever of petitioners' interference, actual or nascent, with the schools' work or of collision with the rights of other students to be secure and to be let alone. Accordingly, this case does not concern speech or action that intrudes upon the work of the schools or the rights of other students."
Similarly, use of a white board is a silent protest, unaccompanied by any disorder or disturbance.

Further, I'd be willing to bet that the school doesn't suspend kids who are deaf or mute and communicate via writing. This was a punishment specifically because of the student's political views.


A deaf/mute example doesn't apply because it's an accommodation for a disability, and has nothing to do with any form of protest.

Also, I would argue that the whiteboard is a far more active protest than the black armbands in the original Tinker decision. Tinker allows restrictions where they are necessary to avoid substantial interference with school discipline or the rights of others. Communicating via whiteboard has the effect of slowing down the class and interfering with the lesson, which impacts all of the students in her classes, even those who have no interest in or involvement with the protest. It also draws attention of the other students away from the task at hand, and generally makes it more difficult for the teachers to do their jobs. IMHO, that qualifies as disruptive, and therefore can be prohibited under the Tinker test. The rest of the students have the right to go about their school day without having their classes impeded by this student's chosen form of protest.
 
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