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(ABC)   Fark: Today's big story is the kid who videoed her teacher stealing from backpacks. FARKITY FARK: Many outlets don't even mention that the principal told the kid to delete the video   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 33
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2013-02-27 07:04:39 AM  
3 votes:
Future Fark:  Student charged under illegal surveillance and violation of privacy laws.
2013-02-27 12:46:40 PM  
2 votes:

Mikey1969: To be fair to the principal, the story could be that they didn't want someone posting this all over the 'net, and that the teacher would get adequately investigated, it doesn't necessarily mean that it was an attempted coverup.


Nice attempt to be fair, but assuming the story is reasonably accurate it was a coverup attempt.   The sole proper action for the principal to have taken once viewing the video would have been to immediately pick up the phone and call the police.

She didn't video him sleeping on the job or helping a kid cheat on a test, she videoed him committing theft.  That's not a violation of policy to be dealt with administratively, it is a crime and any investigation is the responsibility of the police.

Nope, he did what every good school administrator tries to do - get rid of the evidence because it will make his school look bad.  Hopefully, there's a mandatory reporting law that can get him charged too.
2013-02-27 10:41:12 AM  
2 votes:
There are many reasons to stow away in a girls locker room with a camera phone. Spying on a gym teacher ranks low on the list.
2013-02-27 10:37:35 AM  
2 votes:
technicolor-misfit:
Is it highly likely the kid stole it? Sure. But I'm not going to ruin someone's good name and convict them in the court of public opinion when they can't speak up in their own defense.

I'm sure you're a great neighbor. That guy going over the fence at four in the morning is probably just going to get his football that he accidentally threw over there. Oh look, it must be in the garage. It's so dark. Good thing he brought a gun; the muzzle flash should light things up so he can see.
2013-02-27 10:33:11 AM  
2 votes:

JustGetItRight: Earguy: Future Fark:  Student charged under illegal surveillance and violation of privacy laws.

Probably not in this case.  Federal law requires one party knowledge.  California is a two party state, but has some exceptions for recording criminal activity.


I would also assume the teacher has no legal expectation of privacy in full public view at her place of employment (which further happens to be a public institution).

Just because she happened to be alone in the locker room (so she thought) doesn't mean it's a private place.
2013-02-27 10:32:35 AM  
2 votes:

technicolor-misfit: All I could think was... "sorry, I'm not branding some kid a thief on facebook and spreading his picture far and wide" when, for all I know... you lost your phone and didn't realize it, and he found it, or someone else stole it and left it laying around somewhere so he wouldn't get caught and this kid picked it up.


As far as I'm concerned (and the law in some places), if you find something like an iPhone and don't attempt to return it, you stole it.
2013-02-27 10:30:01 AM  
2 votes:
Girls' locker room video disappoints
2013-02-27 10:24:26 AM  
2 votes:

Barfmaker: Earguy: Future Fark:  Student charged under illegal surveillance and violation of privacy laws.

In some places I believe she could be charged for illegal wiretapping, maybe that's if there's audio on the video.


Yea if they let this stand we'll be able to video cops everywhere without them having legal recourse to taze.
2013-02-27 08:42:04 PM  
1 votes:

lostcat: Next people will be saying that defense attorneys shouldn't defend suspected criminals in court.

Yes, they have to defend people, even if those people are incredibly guilty. It's their job.

It's also the job of PR people for tobacco companies to spin everything so cigarettes don't seem as damaging to health as they are.

It's the job of advertising people to make people want to buy useless crap that they don't need.

It's the job of the principal and superintendent of a public school to protect that school's public image.

Am I happy about any of these? No. But I recognize when someone is doing what they are supposed to be doing based on their job description.


I disagree with this comment: "It's the job of the principal and superintendent of a public school to protect that school's public image." The role of the principal and superintendent is to create a safe and healthy environment to facilitate learning, not to protect a school image.

Under your thought process Penn State administrators 'did what they were suppose to do'.
2013-02-27 07:04:09 PM  
1 votes:

JustGetItRight: Earguy: Future Fark:  Student charged under illegal surveillance and violation of privacy laws.

Probably not in this case.  Federal law requires one party knowledge.  California is a two party state, but has some exceptions for recording criminal activity.


For just video recording...it is just one party consent...two party is just for audio recording

That principal wanted the video to cover it up....I work for a school and know all about this type of stuff.....smart for this young lady to send video to her father
2013-02-27 05:49:01 PM  
1 votes:

lostcat: Who said he was trying to cover up anything? You are just assuming that. Just as I'm assuming that he wanted to try to get everyone involved together to work through the problem privately rather than turn it into a public circus, with students being distracted by the possible need to appear in public court to testify against a (well-liked) teacher.

A good administrator is going to try to avoid that situation and handle something like this privately.

Again, I say that if you would prefer to have the police cars pull up to the school, have the police wander the halls, have students questioned, have the teacher lead away by police in handcuffs, then you probably wouldn't be very popular with the school board that appointed you.


And again, HE DOES NOT HAVE EITHER THE RIGHT OR THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION.  HE WAS NOT THE VICTIM.

By attempting to get the evidence of a crime destroyed, he has himself committed a crime.

And by the way, attempting to 'work through the problem privately' is the very definition of a cover up.
2013-02-27 03:52:41 PM  
1 votes:
This idea that people under the age of 18 are not entitled to the same access to justice as adults has got to stop. It is not the principal's decision to make, if the students want to proceed with the accusation against the theif that stole their belongings. If the teacher rummaged through the principal's desk or purse, I'm sure they would react much differently.

I am kind of bitter about this subject, as someone who was sentanced to time in a facility at 16 with no crime committed, just one adult's suggestion that I be put away for awhile. I was not allowed to speak in my own defense and no evidence was offered at my 30 second "hearing".

These are two different situations, I know...but the idea that minors are not automatically granted the same police protection and/or rights is really disturbing to me.
2013-02-27 03:45:12 PM  
1 votes:

technicolor-misfit: I can't exactly disagree with the principal. I'm not a big fan of "justice by social media."

Similarly, a friend's wife had her iPhone go missing at the school she teaches at, and shortly thereafter, some kid's face shows up on her facebook page, posted from her phone, and she saves it and reposts it saying:

"My phone was stolen today at school and this is the likely culprit. Does anyone know who this is? Local friends, please repost this."

All I could think was... "sorry, I'm not branding some kid a thief on facebook and spreading his picture far and wide" when, for all I know... you lost your phone and didn't realize it, and he found it, or someone else stole it and left it laying around somewhere so he wouldn't get caught and this kid picked it up.

Is it highly likely the kid stole it? Sure. But I'm not going to ruin someone's good name and convict them in the court of public opinion when they can't speak up in their own defense.


In any of the scenarios you put forward, the kid is guilty of theft.

Unless the phone is at the lost and found, or unless the thief took a picture of someone else.  But you didn't put forward either of those options.  I wonder if that's because you think if you find a phone, you get to keep it?  That makes you a thief too.
2013-02-27 01:45:39 PM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: I am not the least bit surprised that the principals first reaction is to try and cover it up. Part of the problem in our schools is this systematic and union driven "We Do No Wrong" system that is almost as corrupt as the cops.


I'll usually be the first to bash a union, but this isn't union.  It is school administrator.

Alabama's teachers and school administrators aren't union in the traditional sense (no collective bargaining) and their first reaction would exactly the same thing.

It is a combination of a protect the kingdom mentality and some kind of twisted thinking that leads them to believe that the law simply stops at the border of their campus and/or the door to their classroom and thus they can simply do whatever suits them.
2013-02-27 11:59:25 AM  
1 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: How did the teacher not see the girl hiding in the locker?  The video shows where she hid, and it wasn't all that subtle.

/good for the kids for standing up for themselves.


People get into habits and stop paying attention to things around them, it's just human nature to "streamline" those interactions that we repeat often. The criminality of the act has no bearing on whether or not you pay attention to things around you, especially if you're the kind of teacher that'd steal from your students.
2013-02-27 11:49:19 AM  
1 votes:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Many outlets don't even mention that the principal told the kid to delete the video

[citation needed]

ABC news seems to be a pretty big news outlet. Is the problem that the Bumblefark News and Fish Wrapper Weekly, and "Billy Bob's Blog He Done Writed All By Hisself" didn't report it? I'm always perplexed by complaints about how "no one is talking about X," and then points to a news story about X.


CNN ran the story this morning around 6:45am, and there was no mention of the principal requesting deletion.  It wasn't until I was looking for a link to submit that the principal/deletion thing was mentioned, and on the ABC article it was included in the interview, but not addressed as an issue.

/submitter
2013-02-27 11:40:24 AM  
1 votes:
This might have really gotten interesting if she had not told the principal she already forwarded the video and instead "deleted" it in front of him as he asked.  Had she done that, we could get to see with 100% certainty what the intention was in asking her to delete the video.
2013-02-27 11:22:00 AM  
1 votes:
I grew up in Linden, small farming community.

My favorite part of the story is that the teacher is a "30 year veteran"...meaning that the woman is in her 50s. What the hell??? If at 50 your moral compass is so ascew that you are stealing from your students...you are a real piece of crap.
2013-02-27 11:08:37 AM  
1 votes:

Earguy: Future Fark:  Student charged under illegal surveillance and violation of privacy laws.


I am betting that the school uses video cameras already, for monitoring hallways, parking lots, etc..  And thus, they have the required California warning signs posted that these premises are under video monitoring, etc..

And, thus, the student's taping is covered, because the teacher had warning.  The warning is not specific to the one posting, it is generic to the area being taped.
2013-02-27 11:03:44 AM  
1 votes:

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Many outlets don't even mention that the principal told the kid to delete the video

[citation needed]

ABC news seems to be a pretty big news outlet. Is the problem that the Bumblefark News and Fish Wrapper Weekly, and "Billy Bob's Blog He Done Writed All By Hisself" didn't report it? I'm always perplexed by complaints about how "no one is talking about X," and then points to a news story about X.


The linked article has just one mention of it, in the 9th paragraph, a quote from the girl herself. I'd think an authority figure ordering a witness to delete evidence would be the headline, but what do I know?
2013-02-27 10:57:50 AM  
1 votes:

technicolor-misfit: I can't exactly disagree with the principal. I'm not a big fan of "justice by social media."

Similarly, a friend's wife had her iPhone go missing at the school she teaches at, and shortly thereafter, some kid's face shows up on her facebook page, posted from her phone, and she saves it and reposts it saying:

"My phone was stolen today at school and this is the likely culprit. Does anyone know who this is? Local friends, please repost this."

All I could think was... "sorry, I'm not branding some kid a thief on facebook and spreading his picture far and wide" when, for all I know... you lost your phone and didn't realize it, and he found it, or someone else stole it and left it laying around somewhere so he wouldn't get caught and this kid picked it up.

Is it highly likely the kid stole it? Sure. But I'm not going to ruin someone's good name and convict them in the court of public opinion when they can't speak up in their own defense.


...which is why she said "this is the likely culprit", and not "this is absolutely, definitely the dirty rotten thief".
2013-02-27 10:56:51 AM  
1 votes:

technicolor-misfit: ...but I'm sure you'd serve as a wonderful rabble-rouser on a lynch mob.


Slippery slope. I'm not advocating for a lynch mob, while you are advocating for covering up crimes by eliminating evidence.
2013-02-27 10:53:53 AM  
1 votes:
I am not the least bit surprised that the principals first reaction is to try and cover it up. Part of the problem in our schools is this systematic and union driven "We Do No Wrong" system that is almost as corrupt as the cops.
2013-02-27 10:50:58 AM  
1 votes:

technicolor-misfit: I can't exactly disagree with the principal. I'm not a big fan of "justice by social media."

Similarly, a friend's wife had her iPhone go missing at the school she teaches at, and shortly thereafter, some kid's face shows up on her facebook page, posted from her phone, and she saves it and reposts it saying:

"My phone was stolen today at school and this is the likely culprit. Does anyone know who this is? Local friends, please repost this."

All I could think was... "sorry, I'm not branding some kid a thief on facebook and spreading his picture far and wide" when, for all I know... you lost your phone and didn't realize it, and he found it, or someone else stole it and left it laying around somewhere so he wouldn't get caught and this kid picked it up.

Is it highly likely the kid stole it? Sure. But I'm not going to ruin someone's good name and convict them in the court of public opinion when they can't speak up in their own defense.


Well if they have the phone they could just delete the posts...
2013-02-27 10:44:54 AM  
1 votes:
Maybe if she put her backpack in her locker instead of putting herself in her locker this could have been avoided. If it wasn't for people like her,there wouldn't be any thievery in this world, would there?
2013-02-27 10:42:42 AM  
1 votes:
...but I'm sure you'd serve as a wonderful rabble-rouser on a lynch mob.
2013-02-27 10:42:02 AM  
1 votes:

Disposable Rob: technicolor-misfit:
Is it highly likely the kid stole it? Sure. But I'm not going to ruin someone's good name and convict them in the court of public opinion when they can't speak up in their own defense.

I'm sure you're a great neighbor. That guy going over the fence at four in the morning is probably just going to get his football that he accidentally threw over there. Oh look, it must be in the garage. It's so dark. Good thing he brought a gun; the muzzle flash should light things up so he can see.



That's a specious conclusion to draw based on the fact that I won't contribute to publicly shaming a 13 year old based on sketchy details and unsubstantiated assumptions.
2013-02-27 10:31:38 AM  
1 votes:
Many outlets don't even mention that the principal told the kid to delete the video

[citation needed]

ABC news seems to be a pretty big news outlet. Is the problem that the Bumblefark News and Fish Wrapper Weekly, and "Billy Bob's Blog He Done Writed All By Hisself" didn't report it? I'm always perplexed by complaints about how "no one is talking about X," and then points to a news story about X.
2013-02-27 10:31:05 AM  
1 votes:

technicolor-misfit: But I'm not going to ruin someone's good name and convict them in the court of public opinion when they can't speak up in their own defense.


That's fair-minded but did you watch the video in TFA?  There's no way the students staged that in any way.  That teacher was going through kids' personal belongings.
2013-02-27 10:29:54 AM  
1 votes:

Earguy: Future Fark:  Student charged under illegal surveillance and violation of privacy laws.


Probably not in this case.  Federal law requires one party knowledge.  California is a two party state, but has some exceptions for recording criminal activity.
2013-02-27 10:28:08 AM  
1 votes:
Video proof makes it hard for the union to let her keep her job and perks.
2013-02-27 10:23:31 AM  
1 votes:
Evidence sucks.
2013-02-27 07:51:33 AM  
1 votes:

Earguy: Future Fark:  Student charged under illegal surveillance and violation of privacy laws.


In some places I believe she could be charged for illegal wiretapping, maybe that's if there's audio on the video.
 
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