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2013-02-27 07:04:39 AM
Future Fark:  Student charged under illegal surveillance and violation of privacy laws.
 
2013-02-27 07:51:33 AM

Earguy: Future Fark:  Student charged under illegal surveillance and violation of privacy laws.


In some places I believe she could be charged for illegal wiretapping, maybe that's if there's audio on the video.
 
2013-02-27 10:23:31 AM
Evidence sucks.
 
2013-02-27 10:24:26 AM

Barfmaker: Earguy: Future Fark:  Student charged under illegal surveillance and violation of privacy laws.

In some places I believe she could be charged for illegal wiretapping, maybe that's if there's audio on the video.


Yea if they let this stand we'll be able to video cops everywhere without them having legal recourse to taze.
 
2013-02-27 10:28:08 AM
Video proof makes it hard for the union to let her keep her job and perks.
 
2013-02-27 10:29:21 AM
I can't exactly disagree with the principal. I'm not a big fan of "justice by social media."

Similarly, a friend's wife had her iPhone go missing at the school she teaches at, and shortly thereafter, some kid's face shows up on her facebook page, posted from her phone, and she saves it and reposts it saying:

"My phone was stolen today at school and this is the likely culprit. Does anyone know who this is? Local friends, please repost this."

All I could think was... "sorry, I'm not branding some kid a thief on facebook and spreading his picture far and wide" when, for all I know... you lost your phone and didn't realize it, and he found it, or someone else stole it and left it laying around somewhere so he wouldn't get caught and this kid picked it up.

Is it highly likely the kid stole it? Sure. But I'm not going to ruin someone's good name and convict them in the court of public opinion when they can't speak up in their own defense.
 
2013-02-27 10:29:40 AM
How did the teacher not see the girl hiding in the locker?  The video shows where she hid, and it wasn't all that subtle.

/good for the kids for standing up for themselves.
 
2013-02-27 10:29:45 AM
Well hopefully the union steps in and defends this teacher from this witch hunt.
 
2013-02-27 10:29:54 AM

Earguy: Future Fark:  Student charged under illegal surveillance and violation of privacy laws.


Probably not in this case.  Federal law requires one party knowledge.  California is a two party state, but has some exceptions for recording criminal activity.
 
2013-02-27 10:30:01 AM
Girls' locker room video disappoints
 
2013-02-27 10:30:03 AM
She would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling kids.
 
2013-02-27 10:30:43 AM

Earguy: Future Fark:  Student charged under illegal surveillance and violation of privacy laws.


Future Farkity Fark: Enactors and enforcers of illegal surveillance and privacy laws charged with attempting to destroy evidence.
 
2013-02-27 10:31:05 AM

technicolor-misfit: But I'm not going to ruin someone's good name and convict them in the court of public opinion when they can't speak up in their own defense.


That's fair-minded but did you watch the video in TFA?  There's no way the students staged that in any way.  That teacher was going through kids' personal belongings.
 
2013-02-27 10:31:25 AM
power corrupts.
 
2013-02-27 10:31:38 AM
Many outlets don't even mention that the principal told the kid to delete the video

[citation needed]

ABC news seems to be a pretty big news outlet. Is the problem that the Bumblefark News and Fish Wrapper Weekly, and "Billy Bob's Blog He Done Writed All By Hisself" didn't report it? I'm always perplexed by complaints about how "no one is talking about X," and then points to a news story about X.
 
2013-02-27 10:32:35 AM

technicolor-misfit: All I could think was... "sorry, I'm not branding some kid a thief on facebook and spreading his picture far and wide" when, for all I know... you lost your phone and didn't realize it, and he found it, or someone else stole it and left it laying around somewhere so he wouldn't get caught and this kid picked it up.


As far as I'm concerned (and the law in some places), if you find something like an iPhone and don't attempt to return it, you stole it.
 
2013-02-27 10:33:11 AM

JustGetItRight: Earguy: Future Fark:  Student charged under illegal surveillance and violation of privacy laws.

Probably not in this case.  Federal law requires one party knowledge.  California is a two party state, but has some exceptions for recording criminal activity.


I would also assume the teacher has no legal expectation of privacy in full public view at her place of employment (which further happens to be a public institution).

Just because she happened to be alone in the locker room (so she thought) doesn't mean it's a private place.
 
2013-02-27 10:34:22 AM
I know my outlet didn't mention it
 
2013-02-27 10:37:35 AM
technicolor-misfit:
Is it highly likely the kid stole it? Sure. But I'm not going to ruin someone's good name and convict them in the court of public opinion when they can't speak up in their own defense.

I'm sure you're a great neighbor. That guy going over the fence at four in the morning is probably just going to get his football that he accidentally threw over there. Oh look, it must be in the garage. It's so dark. Good thing he brought a gun; the muzzle flash should light things up so he can see.
 
2013-02-27 10:38:05 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Many outlets don't even mention that the principal told the kid to delete the video

[citation needed]

ABC news seems to be a pretty big news outlet. Is the problem that the Bumblefark News and Fish Wrapper Weekly, and "Billy Bob's Blog He Done Writed All By Hisself" didn't report it? I'm always perplexed by complaints about how "no one is talking about X," and then points to a news story about X.


I do find it interesting that it wasn't prominently featured in the SacBee which is the local fish wrap.
 
2013-02-27 10:38:55 AM

cdiv: technicolor-misfit: All I could think was... "sorry, I'm not branding some kid a thief on facebook and spreading his picture far and wide" when, for all I know... you lost your phone and didn't realize it, and he found it, or someone else stole it and left it laying around somewhere so he wouldn't get caught and this kid picked it up.

As far as I'm concerned (and the law in some places), if you find something like an iPhone and don't attempt to return it, you stole it.



Fair enough, but her original post was at 4:32... barely more than an hour after school let out. I don't think that's enough time to declare unequivocally that he was going to make no attempt to return it.

He could certainly have turned it in at the office or something, but I can't swear that he simply chose not to. I'd have to give him a little more grace time before making that assumption. He may have just not known the best way to proceed.

I'm a firm believer in erring on the assumption of innocence until I've got strong evidence to the contrary.
 
2013-02-27 10:40:44 AM
I would think the girl would be charged for attempted CP, since the video was taken in a girls locker room.
 
2013-02-27 10:41:12 AM
There are many reasons to stow away in a girls locker room with a camera phone. Spying on a gym teacher ranks low on the list.
 
2013-02-27 10:42:02 AM

Disposable Rob: technicolor-misfit:
Is it highly likely the kid stole it? Sure. But I'm not going to ruin someone's good name and convict them in the court of public opinion when they can't speak up in their own defense.

I'm sure you're a great neighbor. That guy going over the fence at four in the morning is probably just going to get his football that he accidentally threw over there. Oh look, it must be in the garage. It's so dark. Good thing he brought a gun; the muzzle flash should light things up so he can see.



That's a specious conclusion to draw based on the fact that I won't contribute to publicly shaming a 13 year old based on sketchy details and unsubstantiated assumptions.
 
2013-02-27 10:42:42 AM
...but I'm sure you'd serve as a wonderful rabble-rouser on a lynch mob.
 
2013-02-27 10:44:54 AM
Maybe if she put her backpack in her locker instead of putting herself in her locker this could have been avoided. If it wasn't for people like her,there wouldn't be any thievery in this world, would there?
 
2013-02-27 10:48:26 AM

Vernon Freedom: Maybe if she put her backpack in her locker instead of putting herself in her locker this could have been avoided. If it wasn't for people like her,there wouldn't be any thievery in this world, would there?


If it wasn't for kids in lockers, I don't know what high school would be like.

// the pussification of America, continued
 
2013-02-27 10:48:50 AM

Vernon Freedom: Maybe if she put her backpack in her locker instead of putting herself in her locker this could have been avoided. If it wasn't for people like her,there wouldn't be any thievery in this world, would there?


+1
 
2013-02-27 10:49:40 AM

technicolor-misfit: I can't exactly disagree with the principal. I'm not a big fan of "justice by social media."



The student only recorded it to use as evidence for a proper investigation. The principal promised to investigate, but is demanded that (what he thought was) the only copy of the evidence related to the case should be destroyed.

If she had recorded it and tried to form a mob via facebook, I might agree that it should be deleted from the site, but this is closer to a police officer deleting dashcam video after being accused of busting someone's taillight during a traffic stop.
 
2013-02-27 10:50:58 AM

technicolor-misfit: I can't exactly disagree with the principal. I'm not a big fan of "justice by social media."

Similarly, a friend's wife had her iPhone go missing at the school she teaches at, and shortly thereafter, some kid's face shows up on her facebook page, posted from her phone, and she saves it and reposts it saying:

"My phone was stolen today at school and this is the likely culprit. Does anyone know who this is? Local friends, please repost this."

All I could think was... "sorry, I'm not branding some kid a thief on facebook and spreading his picture far and wide" when, for all I know... you lost your phone and didn't realize it, and he found it, or someone else stole it and left it laying around somewhere so he wouldn't get caught and this kid picked it up.

Is it highly likely the kid stole it? Sure. But I'm not going to ruin someone's good name and convict them in the court of public opinion when they can't speak up in their own defense.


Well if they have the phone they could just delete the posts...
 
2013-02-27 10:53:53 AM
I am not the least bit surprised that the principals first reaction is to try and cover it up. Part of the problem in our schools is this systematic and union driven "We Do No Wrong" system that is almost as corrupt as the cops.
 
2013-02-27 10:54:37 AM

technicolor-misfit: I can't exactly disagree with the principal. I'm not a big fan of "justice by social media."

Similarly, a friend's wife had her iPhone go missing at the school she teaches at, and shortly thereafter, some kid's face shows up on her facebook page, posted from her phone, and she saves it and reposts it saying:

"My phone was stolen today at school and this is the likely culprit. Does anyone know who this is? Local friends, please repost this."

All I could think was... "sorry, I'm not branding some kid a thief on facebook and spreading his picture far and wide" when, for all I know... you lost your phone and didn't realize it, and he found it, or someone else stole it and left it laying around somewhere so he wouldn't get caught and this kid picked it up.

Is it highly likely the kid stole it? Sure. But I'm not going to ruin someone's good name and convict them in the court of public opinion when they can't speak up in their own defense.


I'm pretty much on board with you. Guilt by media or social media is a scary scary thing.

I've seen some "social media justice" among a few people I knew and it was scary how quickly people get dammed and angry.
"I'm going to post this on facebook right away but then hesitate to call the cops when people tell me to'

A few blocks away there was this hilarious fiasco when one resident put up a photo of someone walking through the alley saying that they had just broken into a house and took a computer out of it.
Ended up being about 100 posts telling this woman to call the police, damning this guy, tracking him down, racist remarks, pleas for order, cursing how the city is going, threats to move and the original poster admitting that she didn't call the police.
It turns out that the guy was a new renter down the street from her and she saw him go into his own apartment....
 
2013-02-27 10:56:51 AM

technicolor-misfit: ...but I'm sure you'd serve as a wonderful rabble-rouser on a lynch mob.


Slippery slope. I'm not advocating for a lynch mob, while you are advocating for covering up crimes by eliminating evidence.
 
2013-02-27 10:56:55 AM
Nancy Drew got all techie on us.
 
2013-02-27 10:57:50 AM

technicolor-misfit: I can't exactly disagree with the principal. I'm not a big fan of "justice by social media."

Similarly, a friend's wife had her iPhone go missing at the school she teaches at, and shortly thereafter, some kid's face shows up on her facebook page, posted from her phone, and she saves it and reposts it saying:

"My phone was stolen today at school and this is the likely culprit. Does anyone know who this is? Local friends, please repost this."

All I could think was... "sorry, I'm not branding some kid a thief on facebook and spreading his picture far and wide" when, for all I know... you lost your phone and didn't realize it, and he found it, or someone else stole it and left it laying around somewhere so he wouldn't get caught and this kid picked it up.

Is it highly likely the kid stole it? Sure. But I'm not going to ruin someone's good name and convict them in the court of public opinion when they can't speak up in their own defense.


...which is why she said "this is the likely culprit", and not "this is absolutely, definitely the dirty rotten thief".
 
2013-02-27 11:03:44 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Many outlets don't even mention that the principal told the kid to delete the video

[citation needed]

ABC news seems to be a pretty big news outlet. Is the problem that the Bumblefark News and Fish Wrapper Weekly, and "Billy Bob's Blog He Done Writed All By Hisself" didn't report it? I'm always perplexed by complaints about how "no one is talking about X," and then points to a news story about X.


The linked article has just one mention of it, in the 9th paragraph, a quote from the girl herself. I'd think an authority figure ordering a witness to delete evidence would be the headline, but what do I know?
 
2013-02-27 11:08:37 AM

Earguy: Future Fark:  Student charged under illegal surveillance and violation of privacy laws.


I am betting that the school uses video cameras already, for monitoring hallways, parking lots, etc..  And thus, they have the required California warning signs posted that these premises are under video monitoring, etc..

And, thus, the student's taping is covered, because the teacher had warning.  The warning is not specific to the one posting, it is generic to the area being taped.
 
2013-02-27 11:22:00 AM
I grew up in Linden, small farming community.

My favorite part of the story is that the teacher is a "30 year veteran"...meaning that the woman is in her 50s. What the hell??? If at 50 your moral compass is so ascew that you are stealing from your students...you are a real piece of crap.
 
2013-02-27 11:28:58 AM
jesuschristmarie
 
2013-02-27 11:30:59 AM
To be fair to the principal, the story could be that they didn't want someone posting this all over the 'net, and that the teacher would get adequately investigated, it doesn't necessarily mean that it was an attempted coverup.

Also, did all of the "other" news outlets go off of the same interview? Maybe it hadn't come up before.

Good for the student, I can't believe nobody noticed her in that locker. Holy fark, she might as well have been sitting on the bench.

...And California has some pretty odd privacy laws, not sure the teacher's lawyer won't try for an "illegal recording" type of approach. Just having signs might not cover it, otherwise, that would mean that we'd see hosted 'toilet cams' from California places, and nothing could be done about it.
 
2013-02-27 11:31:00 AM

technicolor-misfit: JustGetItRight: Earguy: Future Fark:  Student charged under illegal surveillance and violation of privacy laws.

Probably not in this case.  Federal law requires one party knowledge.  California is a two party state, but has some exceptions for recording criminal activity.

I would also assume the teacher has no legal expectation of privacy in full public view at her place of employment (which further happens to be a public institution).

Just because she happened to be alone in the locker room (so she thought) doesn't mean it's a private place.


I almost added that too, but since it was in a locker room there's probably an expectation of privacy.

WhyKnot: My favorite part of the story is that the teacher is a "30 year veteran"...meaning that the woman is in her 50s. What the hell??? If at 50 your moral compass is so ascew that you are stealing from your students...you are a real piece of crap.


Maybe a legit mental health issue.  I once worked for an organization who's head made close to $200,000 in Alabama in the early 1990s.  Her husband was an even higher paid attorney.

Came to work one morning and picked up the paper to read that she'd been arrested for shoplifting $300 worth of clothes and trinkets from local store.  Turns out she'd been doing it for a couple of years, her husband had been coming in later and making it right, but the store finally got tired of putting up with it.

She was in her mid 50s, very smart, and very professional but something in her mind just went click every so often and she couldn't resist the urge to steal.

Legit mental health problem or not, she's got to go.  You can't have a teacher that's stolen from students on staff.
 
2013-02-27 11:40:24 AM
This might have really gotten interesting if she had not told the principal she already forwarded the video and instead "deleted" it in front of him as he asked.  Had she done that, we could get to see with 100% certainty what the intention was in asking her to delete the video.
 
2013-02-27 11:40:57 AM

Mikey1969: To be fair to the principal, the story could be that they didn't want someone posting this all over the 'net, and that the teacher would get adequately investigated, it doesn't necessarily mean that it was an attempted coverup.



And if the "investigation" shows no wrongdoing, what then?

Student: But I saw the teacher rummaging through the backpacks. I even showed you the video.
Principal: What video?
 
2013-02-27 11:49:19 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Many outlets don't even mention that the principal told the kid to delete the video

[citation needed]

ABC news seems to be a pretty big news outlet. Is the problem that the Bumblefark News and Fish Wrapper Weekly, and "Billy Bob's Blog He Done Writed All By Hisself" didn't report it? I'm always perplexed by complaints about how "no one is talking about X," and then points to a news story about X.


CNN ran the story this morning around 6:45am, and there was no mention of the principal requesting deletion.  It wasn't until I was looking for a link to submit that the principal/deletion thing was mentioned, and on the ABC article it was included in the interview, but not addressed as an issue.

/submitter
 
2013-02-27 11:59:25 AM

HMS_Blinkin: How did the teacher not see the girl hiding in the locker?  The video shows where she hid, and it wasn't all that subtle.

/good for the kids for standing up for themselves.


People get into habits and stop paying attention to things around them, it's just human nature to "streamline" those interactions that we repeat often. The criminality of the act has no bearing on whether or not you pay attention to things around you, especially if you're the kind of teacher that'd steal from your students.
 
2013-02-27 12:00:15 PM
Not suspended for video taping in girls locker room?
Whats this world coming to?
 
2013-02-27 12:01:15 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: There are many reasons to stow away in a girls locker room with a camera phone. Spying on a gym teacher ranks low on the list.


What if said gym teacher is a hot blonde with big jugs having an affair with the 18 year old captain of the cheerleading team?

/ for those of you following along at home; that's 2 hot chicks, over the age of 18, havin' an affair
 
2013-02-27 12:20:34 PM

JustGetItRight: WhyKnot: My favorite part of the story is that the teacher is a "30 year veteran"...meaning that the woman is in her 50s. What the hell??? If at 50 your moral compass is so ascew that you are stealing from your students...you are a real piece of crap.

Maybe a legit mental health issue. I once worked for an organization who's head made close to $200,000 in Alabama in the early 1990s. Her husband was an even higher paid attorney.

Came to work one morning and picked up the paper to read that she'd been arrested for shoplifting $300 worth of clothes and trinkets from local store. Turns out she'd been doing it for a couple of years, her husband had been coming in later and making it right, but the store finally got tired of putting up with it.

She was in her mid 50s, very smart, and very professional but something in her mind just went click every so often and she couldn't resist the urge to steal.



Indeed. Google 'Kleptomania'.
 
2013-02-27 12:46:40 PM

Mikey1969: To be fair to the principal, the story could be that they didn't want someone posting this all over the 'net, and that the teacher would get adequately investigated, it doesn't necessarily mean that it was an attempted coverup.


Nice attempt to be fair, but assuming the story is reasonably accurate it was a coverup attempt.   The sole proper action for the principal to have taken once viewing the video would have been to immediately pick up the phone and call the police.

She didn't video him sleeping on the job or helping a kid cheat on a test, she videoed him committing theft.  That's not a violation of policy to be dealt with administratively, it is a crime and any investigation is the responsibility of the police.

Nope, he did what every good school administrator tries to do - get rid of the evidence because it will make his school look bad.  Hopefully, there's a mandatory reporting law that can get him charged too.
 
2013-02-27 12:59:48 PM

fredklein: technicolor-misfit: I can't exactly disagree with the principal. I'm not a big fan of "justice by social media."

Similarly, a friend's wife had her iPhone go missing at the school she teaches at, and shortly thereafter, some kid's face shows up on her facebook page, posted from her phone, and she saves it and reposts it saying:

"My phone was stolen today at school and this is the likely culprit. Does anyone know who this is? Local friends, please repost this."

All I could think was... "sorry, I'm not branding some kid a thief on facebook and spreading his picture far and wide" when, for all I know... you lost your phone and didn't realize it, and he found it, or someone else stole it and left it laying around somewhere so he wouldn't get caught and this kid picked it up.

Is it highly likely the kid stole it? Sure. But I'm not going to ruin someone's good name and convict them in the court of public opinion when they can't speak up in their own defense.

...which is why she said "this is the likely culprit", and not "this is absolutely, definitely the dirty rotten thief".



Without better evidence that "this is the likely culprit," I wouldn't say "this is the likely culprit."

Had she said "we believe this young man may be in possession of the phone," I might have shared it.

It's every bit as likely that some other kid took the phone and then ditched it for fear of getting caught. And I'm not going to hang the label of "thief" around some 13 year old's neck EVEN WITH just enough distancing legalese to protect me from a libel suit.
 
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