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2013-02-27 09:29:52 AM
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Holy crap, you really could do an Air Vent Escape in the White House.
 
2013-02-27 09:33:30 AM

jspenguin: [assets.nationaljournal.com image 800x645]

Holy crap, you really could do an Air Vent Escape in the White House.



Violation of #2 on the Evil Overlord List
 
2013-02-27 09:56:26 AM
They had to get the table in somehow...

s13.postimage.org
 
2013-02-27 10:07:29 AM
There is a potential bad joke here, but I see this is from 1950.

/Move along, nothing to see.
 
2013-02-27 10:08:34 AM

jspenguin: [assets.nationaljournal.com image 800x645]

Holy crap, you really could do an Air Vent Escape in the White House.


But you have to acrobatically or sexily avoid the lasers.
 
2013-02-27 10:19:57 AM
Photo #5 - Evidence of ACORN manufactured support in the White House.

/freeperville
 
2013-02-27 10:37:04 AM
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ACORN!!!

Their tentacles know no bound.
 
2013-02-27 10:47:59 AM
According to the top of this picture, the White House commissioned giants who can defy gravity and stick to walls in part of the construction...

assets.nationaljournal.com
 
2013-02-27 10:48:07 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: [assets.nationaljournal.com image 800x586]

ACORN!!!

Their tentacles know no bound.


You, my friend, have a keen eye.
 
2013-02-27 10:51:55 AM

jspenguin: [assets.nationaljournal.com image 800x645]

Holy crap, you really could do an Air Vent Escape in the White House.


Union labor in typical union labor pose.
 
2013-02-27 10:52:36 AM
I wonder if they found anything cool that some of the Presidents had hidden somewhere. It also kinda sucks for Truman, you make it to President and now you can't live in the White House. Of course I've seen stories that the Oval Office is going to be renovated for the next 2 years so Obama's going to be stuck in a cubicle now I guess.
 
2013-02-27 10:53:56 AM
Oh Noes! The terrorist can just Google these pictures up to see the inner most workings of the White House!

/I think I see the area that Dick Cheney was hidng in on 9/11.
 
2013-02-27 10:55:54 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: [assets.nationaljournal.com image 800x586]

ACORN!!!

Their tentacles know no bound.


Dude, Obama has a time machine.
 
2013-02-27 10:56:21 AM
These pictures will no doubt resurface on January 20, 2017 under the headline "Obamas trashing of White House so thorough that a complete teardown is required."
 
2013-02-27 10:58:56 AM
If pictures like this interest you, I recommend following Presidential historian Michael Beschloss. He tweets pictures like this frequently.
/no affiliation
 
2013-02-27 11:09:40 AM

Great_Milenko: These pictures will no doubt resurface on January 20, 2017 under the headline "Obamas trashing of White House so thorough that a complete teardown is required."


You think they'll bother to PS these and make 'em color images?
 
2013-02-27 11:17:24 AM
The Money Pit for real.


When will it be done?
Two weeks.
 
2013-02-27 11:33:47 AM
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These guys are really enjoying their work.
 
2013-02-27 11:37:52 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: [assets.nationaljournal.com image 800x586]

ACORN!!!

Their tentacles know no bound.


Damnnnit I made a pic and everything
plaza.ufl.edu
 
2013-02-27 12:28:15 PM
grumpyelder.com

What Congress looks like, completely gutted
 
2013-02-27 01:01:33 PM
DAMN YOU GUTBAMA
 
2013-02-27 02:28:54 PM

Tenga: [assets.nationaljournal.com image 800x595]

These guys are really enjoying their work.


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2013-02-27 03:00:03 PM
Meh.  We Canadians are already familiar with what the White House looks like when gutted.  After all, we were there the first time it happened.

America:  Claiming stalemate wars as military victories since the time of Napoleon!
 
2013-02-27 03:19:20 PM

Highroller48: Meh.  We Canadians are already familiar with what the White House looks like when gutted.  After all, we were there the first time it happened.

America:  Claiming stalemate wars as military victories since the time of Napoleon!


God damnit that was the British who landed in the Chesapeake and walked (pretty much unopposed) to Washington and burned it down.

The fact that Canada was a combatant in the same war does not allow you to take credit. That would be like America taking credit for Stalingrad.
 
2013-02-27 03:40:20 PM
It's about time to do that again.

Let's get on that, first thing Monday morning.
 
2013-02-27 03:51:54 PM

Lunchlady: God damnit that was the British who landed in the Chesapeake and walked (pretty much unopposed) to Washington and burned it down.The fact that Canada was a combatant in the same war does not allow you to take credit. That would be like America taking credit for Stalingrad.


Unless you're saying that rather than being a country, America was a part of the USSR at the time of the Battle of Stalingrad.. Then no, it is not like America taking credit for Stalingrad. It's like America saying "we sure got the French good at Ticonderoga in 1759!"
 
2013-02-27 03:56:14 PM

costermonger: Lunchlady: God damnit that was the British who landed in the Chesapeake and walked (pretty much unopposed) to Washington and burned it down.The fact that Canada was a combatant in the same war does not allow you to take credit. That would be like America taking credit for Stalingrad.

Unless you're saying that rather than being a country, America was a part of the USSR at the time of the Battle of Stalingrad.. Then no, it is not like America taking credit for Stalingrad. It's like America saying "we sure got the French good at Ticonderoga in 1759!"


I see your point and can appreciate the difference, thank you for updating the analogy to keep the comparison foolish. Because it's completely foolish.
 
2013-02-27 04:30:47 PM
Lunchlady: Isee your point and can appreciate the difference, thank you for updating the analogy to keep the comparison foolish. Because it's completely foolish.

To a modern American, sure, but at the time of the French and Indian War? There was likely a 'we got 'em!' sentiment for victories. But then there was a revolution and your national identity switched to 'we're not British!' - which never happened in Canada. So we identify with our colonial past very differently. Pre-independence America has connotations of oppression and dissent. Pre-independence Canada doesn't have any of that baggage - well, from the English perspective, anyway.

I don't like it when people bring up the 'Canadians burned down the White House' crap, because it is a misrepresentation. Not because the troops were British, but because 'Canadian' is kind of a meaningless term give the time. They were just a bunch of British too (and some recently conquered French).
 
2013-02-27 05:27:03 PM

cram_hole: I wonder if they found anything cool that some of the Presidents had hidden somewhere. It also kinda sucks for Truman, you make it to President and now you can't live in the White House. Of course I've seen stories that the Oval Office is going to be renovated for the next 2 years so Obama's going to be stuck in a cubicle now I guess.


No, that will happen if and when a Republican gets elected in 2016. (Unlikely.) He will want to be sure to get all the black out of it.
 
2013-02-28 12:56:23 AM
If HBO or someone came out with a fictionalized mini-series that revolved around the people involved in the rebuilding, from Truman on down to the architects, structural engineers, stone masons and laborers,  I wouldn't miss an episode.  Post World War II, returning veterans needing work, war refugees, Southern Blacks heading north for better opportunities....
 
2013-02-28 12:09:26 PM

Lunchlady: Highroller48: Meh.  We Canadians are already familiar with what the White House looks like when gutted.  After all, we were there the first time it happened.

America:  Claiming stalemate wars as military victories since the time of Napoleon!

God damnit that was the British who landed in the Chesapeake and walked (pretty much unopposed) to Washington and burned it down.

The fact that Canada was a combatant in the same war does not allow you to take credit. That would be like America taking credit for Stalingrad.


While it's true that most of the forces involved were British regulars and Royal Marines, some people living in Halifax and other areas near the St. Lawrence River left local militia units to serve with the British naval forces based in Halifax.  It was these forces that landed at Chesapeake Bay.  While they may not have been CALLED "Canadians" yet, there were certianly at least some British subjects living in what would later become Canada who particpated in this raid.  Anecdotally, a jewelry box was returned to FDR by Canada, after being donated by a man whose Grandfather had looted it from Washington during the attack.

Were future Canadians the primary forces that took part in the raid and occupation of Washington?  No.  Is it an historical fact that a force of British Navy, Marines and Regular Army, containing at least some residents of what is now Canada, were responsible for the burning of the White House?  Yes.  At the end of the day, does it really matter beyond being a largely irrelevant but somewhat interesting event?  Not even a little bit.  But it amuses us to irritate the hell out of a lot of Americans when we bring it up, so I don't imagine we'll stop anytime soon.

What really baffles us is why America claims some sort of overwhelming victory in a war that kind of just fizzled out into a stalemate.  I don't recall the slogan being "54-40 or fight whatever-you-folks-decide-is-fine-with-us."
 
2013-02-28 12:14:16 PM

mksmith: crNo, that will happen if and when a Republican gets elected in 2016. (Unlikely.) He will want to be sure to get all the black out of it.


Unfortunately, sequestration will cut out the extra money set aside for adding the separate entrances and washrooms for the "colored folks".
 
2013-02-28 12:51:27 PM

Highroller48: Lunchlady: Highroller48: Meh.  We Canadians are already familiar with what the White House looks like when gutted.  After all, we were there the first time it happened.

America:  Claiming stalemate wars as military victories since the time of Napoleon!

God damnit that was the British who landed in the Chesapeake and walked (pretty much unopposed) to Washington and burned it down.

The fact that Canada was a combatant in the same war does not allow you to take credit. That would be like America taking credit for Stalingrad.

While it's true that most of the forces involved were British regulars and Royal Marines, some people living in Halifax and other areas near the St. Lawrence River left local militia units to serve with the British naval forces based in Halifax.  It was these forces that landed at Chesapeake Bay.  While they may not have been CALLED "Canadians" yet, there were certianly at least some British subjects living in what would later become Canada who particpated in this raid.  Anecdotally, a jewelry box was returned to FDR by Canada, after being donated by a man whose Grandfather had looted it from Washington during the attack.

Were future Canadians the primary forces that took part in the raid and occupation of Washington?  No.  Is it an historical fact that a force of British Navy, Marines and Regular Army, containing at least some residents of what is now Canada, were responsible for the burning of the White House?  Yes.  At the end of the day, does it really matter beyond being a largely irrelevant but somewhat interesting event?  Not even a little bit.  But it amuses us to irritate the hell out of a lot of Americans when we bring it up, so I don't imagine we'll stop anytime soon.

What really baffles us is why America claims some sort of overwhelming victory in a war that kind of just fizzled out into a stalemate.  I don't recall the slogan being "54-40 or fight whatever-you-folks-decide-is-fine-with-us."


Here's a hint.

Americans don't really give a shiat about The War of 1812. Honestly if last year hadn't been the 200 year anniversary I would wager less than 25% would even know it occurred.
 
2013-02-28 01:33:41 PM

Lunchlady: Here's a hint.

Americans don't really give a shiat about The War of 1812.

As is evidenced by the complete lack of butthurt displayed when Canadians bring this topic up, right?  And no one ever wrote a song about the Battle of New Orleans, either, which would be another dead giveaway.  Clearly, no one in the U.S. ever cared about this war.  How could I have been so foolish!

Look, the point is this:
I remember being on a high-school trip to Miamisburgh OH back in the 80s.  We spent a day sitting in on some classes.  One of those was U.S. History (10th grade.)   The teacher began his lecture with "After we won the war of 1812....)
I recall being dumbfounded by that statement.  One of the main goals of that war was securing the Oregon Territory and pushing the border from the 49th parallel to the famous "54.40" line.  If the U.S. had won this war, the map would have looked like this at the end of the war:
apushcanvas.pbworks.com

It doesn't.  The border is exactly where it was - the 49th parallel.  At best, this conflict was a draw.  At worst, the U.S. could be said to have lost if you consider their primary goal was territorial expansion, which didn't happen.  Americans are taught that the war of 1812 was another checkmark in the "USA Kicks Ass" column, when it's simply not true.
 
2013-02-28 01:45:58 PM

Highroller48: Lunchlady: Here's a hint.
Americans don't really give a shiat about The War of 1812.

As is evidenced by the complete lack of butthurt displayed when Canadians bring this topic up, right?  And no one ever wrote a song about the Battle of New Orleans, either, which would be another dead giveaway.  Clearly, no one in the U.S. ever cared about this war.  How could I have been so foolish!

Look, the point is this:
I remember being on a high-school trip to Miamisburgh OH back in the 80s.  We spent a day sitting in on some classes.  One of those was U.S. History (10th grade.)   The teacher began his lecture with "After we won the war of 1812....)
I recall being dumbfounded by that statement.  One of the main goals of that war was securing the Oregon Territory and pushing the border from the 49th parallel to the famous "54.40" line.  If the U.S. had won this war, the map would have looked like this at the end of the war:
[apushcanvas.pbworks.com image 800x895]

It doesn't.  The border is exactly where it was - the 49th parallel.  At best, this conflict was a draw.  At worst, the U.S. could be said to have lost if you consider their primary goal was territorial expansion, which didn't happen.  Americans are taught that the war of 1812 was another checkmark in the "USA Kicks Ass" column, when it's simply not true.


It's not butthurt. We call you out because you are crediting the actions of one Empire to a nationality and identity that didn't even exist until the 20th century and even if it had existed in 1812, the majority of "burning the capitol" was done by British Marines who were born and died on the British Isles.

NO ONE takes the stupid White House burning down as a mark on national pride, and NO ONE gives a single shiat about the War of 1812 except Canadians.

Let me simplify, I'm not butt hurt, I'm calling out your bullshiat because not only is it a half-truth at best, it was also 200 years ago and no one cares.
 
2013-02-28 04:19:48 PM

Lunchlady: NO ONE takes the stupid White House burning down as a mark on national pride, and NO ONE gives a single shiat about the War of 1812 except Canadians.Let me simplify, I'm not butt hurt, I'm calling out your bullshiat because not only is it a half-truth at best, it was also 200 years ago and no one cares.


You seem to care slightly more than a single shiat.
 
2013-02-28 04:30:58 PM

Highroller48: Lunchlady: Highroller48: What really baffles us is why America claims some sort of overwhelming victory in a war that kind of just fizzled out into a stalemate.  I don't recall the slogan being "54-40 or fight whatever-you-folks-decide-is-fine-with-us."


With that particular warmongering slogan you're confusing the War of 1812 under Madison with James K. Polk and Manifest Destiny. Polk let the Oregon Question slide to a negotiated settlement because he was busy trying to manufacture a causus belli to attack Mexico.
 
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