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2013-02-27 03:13:22 AM
FTA:"[Teams] ask you like, 'Do you have a girlfriend?' Are you married?'Do you like girls?'" Kasa told CJ and Kreckman of ESPN Radio Denver on Tuesday. "Those kinds of things, and you know it was just kind of weird. But they would ask you with a straight face, and it's a pretty weird experience altogether."The comments come a day after Mike Florio of NBC Sports and ProFootballTalk told radio host Dan Patrick that NFL teams were extremely curious about the sexual orientation of Notre Dame's Manti Te'o.
 
2013-02-27 04:43:28 AM

shower_in_my_socks: FTA:"[Teams] ask you like, 'Do you have a girlfriend?' Are you married?'Do you like girls?'" Kasa told CJ and Kreckman of ESPN Radio Denver on Tuesday. "Those kinds of things, and you know it was just kind of weird. But they would ask you with a straight face, and it's a pretty weird experience altogether."The comments come a day after Mike Florio of NBC Sports and ProFootballTalk told radio host Dan Patrick that NFL teams were extremely curious about the sexual orientation of Notre Dame's Manti Te'o.


LOL

NFL teams should be more curious about his ability to get off of blocks at the next level.
 
2013-02-27 07:23:19 AM
Somehow I get the feeling there are a lot of football fans who would be very interested in seeing their favorite players in flagrante delicto though of course in public those fans will pretend to be outraged.
 
2013-02-27 07:37:20 AM
heh heh heh ... tight end.
 
2013-02-27 07:37:49 AM
Jumping jesus H, NFL, join the 21st century. You sound like a bunch of Republicans.

// NFL fan

// LOLzing at this whole ridiculous scenario. Teo ran a 4.8, there's reason enough right there to skip on drafting him.
 
2013-02-27 07:47:07 AM
There are better questions for finding out.

"Do you like movies about gladiators?"

"Have you ever seen a grown man naked?"
 
2013-02-27 07:53:37 AM
Just say "Clang, clang, clang" and see how he reacts.
 
2013-02-27 08:00:21 AM

Generation_D: Jumping jesus H, NFL, join the 21st century. You sound like a bunch of Republicans.

// NFL fan

// LOLzing at this whole ridiculous scenario. Teo ran a 4.8, there's reason enough right there to skip on drafting him.


Oh, I think he'll be drafted. Just not until the later rounds. Some team's going to want the name recognition.
 
2013-02-27 08:09:13 AM
After the fake GF thing, I kind of want to know if Te'o is gay too.

/NTTAWWT
 
2013-02-27 08:40:22 AM

I_Am_Weasel: There are better questions for finding out.

"Do you like movies about gladiators?"

"Have you ever seen a grown man naked?"


www.moviesaboutgladiators.com
Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
 
2013-02-27 08:41:32 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Just say "Clang, clang, clang" and see how he reacts.


Went the trolley, ding ding ding went the bell....HEY WTF?!
 
2013-02-27 09:11:48 AM
Jesus H. Christ, even our military stopped doing that.
 
2013-02-27 09:14:56 AM
I'm pretty sure that it was ever found out that a team passed on a player because they thought he was gay, that team, and possibly the NFL in general, would find themselves in one hell of a discrimination lawsuit. You're talking about punishments for potentially lost career salaries on the NFL level. In short, they are absolute idiots for asking in the first place, because now they can't claim ignorance, and I'm surprised their lawyers let them ask.
 
2013-02-27 09:15:37 AM

Ennuipoet: I_Am_Weasel: There are better questions for finding out.

"Do you like movies about gladiators?"

"Have you ever seen a grown man naked?"

[www.moviesaboutgladiators.com image 500x282]
Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?


"Have you ever climbed the rope in gym class?"
 
2013-02-27 09:16:10 AM

Generation_D: Jumping jesus H, NFL, join the 21st century. You sound like a bunch of Republicans.


As the local afternoon radio host (Joe Ovies, 99.9 The Fan for those of you in the Triangle) said, "Sports is that last corner of society where 'There's no gay people, at all.'  And that exists for a variety of reasons, and one day a lot of people are going to get a very rude awakening."

I hope that we see the day soon where a player can be openly gay in the locker room.
 
2013-02-27 09:17:16 AM

UNC_Samurai: Sports is that last corner of society where 'There's no gay people, at all.'


Well, that and Iran
 
2013-02-27 09:20:50 AM

I_Am_Weasel: There are better questions for finding out.

"Do you like movies about gladiators?"

"Have you ever seen a grown man naked?"


"Would you care for a date with Dez Bryant's mother?"
 
2013-02-27 09:21:05 AM
If you can play, you can play.

Hockey has embraced this. It's your turn now NFL.
 
2013-02-27 09:24:53 AM

Generation_D: Jumping jesus H, NFL, join the 21st century. You sound like a bunch of Republicans.


I have a feeling they are a bunch of Republicans.
 
2013-02-27 09:40:31 AM
Considering that every NFL team is about to make a handful of twentysomethings filthy stinking rich, I think they have a right to ask any damn question they want. Certainly more than one question is going to be related to team chemistry, which is what I think they are going for here.
 
2013-02-27 09:41:07 AM
Yes, they're asking those questions specifically because the NFL locker room is so anti-gay. Not because the wife/girlfriend question brings up other issues - if you have a wife/committed girlfriend, then the team also wants to make arrangements to keep her happy with where she's going to be living for the next few years, if they're doing it right. Similarly, the last question could be to gauge a reaction - you could be weeding out people that are super-offended that you'd even ask.

But no, let's all immediately assume whatever fits in with our preconceived notions, like Mike Florio!

Then let's reprint the negative quote from one idiot football player and ignore how huge the backlash was against him, that several players and coaches within the team and throughout the NFL not only harshly criticized the comments, but have been in support of gay rights.
 
2013-02-27 09:41:41 AM

UNC_Samurai: "Sports is that last corner of society where 'There's no gay people, at all.'


Professional sports, maybe.  I was on a college team in undergrad and had a couple of openly gay teammates.  No one cared.
 
2013-02-27 09:42:13 AM
Honest question.  If players are uncomfortable with sharing a locker room with gay men, do their needs have to be accommodated with a separate locker room for themselves?  And if a team started doing it for their players, could the gay men sue for any reason?


not saying its a smart idea, or even legal.  But if someone was openly gay in the NFL and 90% of the team was cool with it, would you want to give a holes like culliver somewhere to go and ostracize them on their own accord?
 
2013-02-27 09:44:46 AM

IAmRight: Not because the wife/girlfriend question brings up other issues - if you have a wife/committed girlfriend, then the team also wants to make arrangements to keep her happy with where she's going to be living for the next few years, if they're doing it right.


Then why not use gender-neutral words, if it really isn't about gay/straight?  Why say "wife" and "girlfriend" instead of "spouse" and "significant other?"

IAmRight: Similarly, the last question could be to gauge a reaction - you could be weeding out people that are super-offended that you'd even ask


Then why are those doofus-homophobe guys still playing for the 49ers, if the NFL is so interested in "weeding them out?"
 
2013-02-27 09:47:33 AM

thecpt: Honest question.  If players are uncomfortable with sharing a locker room with gay men, do their needs have to be accommodated with a separate locker room for themselves?  And if a team started doing it for their players, could the gay men sue for any reason?


not saying its a smart idea, or even legal.  But if someone was openly gay in the NFL and 90% of the team was cool with it, would you want to give a holes like culliver somewhere to go and ostracize them on their own accord?


It'd probably be cheaper to just cut them, rather than give them a "no-gays allowed" room
 
2013-02-27 09:51:17 AM
Am I only one that thinks there have probably been numerous players out within teams who just wanted to focus on football and not be "the gay football player" so they and their teammates just kept it quiet?

There are a lot of guys who are still figuring out what they are in their early 20s, trying to come out and having the media be breathing down your neck for a "story" isn't going to help.
 
2013-02-27 09:57:44 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Then why are those doofus-homophobe guys still playing for the 49ers, if the NFL is so interested in "weeding them out?"


It's not so much about "weeding them out" as it would be "damaging to draft stock," same as "being gay" would be in the "NFL is homophobic" worldview. No one's dumb enough to think a team would skip over drafting an obvious first-rounder for the entire draft simply because he's gay (I hope no one's dumb enough to think this). It would likely be similar for homophobes.

Plus there's a simple case of getting second chances. The dude apologized (not to the extent some people would like, but hey, as long as people keep their desires bottled up and never express them, it's completely fine, right, gay people?). So he's okay until he f*cks up again. If he does say some dumb sh*t again, he's not going to have a job much longer unless he becomes a consistent All-Pro.

HMS_Blinkin: Then why not use gender-neutral words, if it really isn't about gay/straight?  Why say "wife" and "girlfriend" instead of "spouse" and "significant other?"


Because using the words that apply to 95% of the people are perfectly fine. If someone doesn't like the wording, they're free to express their reservations or explain their situation. And that would be great - if they do feel comfortable outing themselves in an interview, then they're pretty damn confident in themselves, their lifestyle, etc. They'd be a great "Jackie Robinson of gays".

Again, this is a case of people, rather than being willing to give others the benefit of the doubt, wanting to paint anyone they can as enemies of whatever cause they support. It's annoying as f*ck and it's 90% of interaction in the public forum these days. There's no effort whatsoever to see where people are coming from.

Every professional athlete is aware of the fact that they've had gay teammates. Most realize this and don't really care, because ultimately, it's something beyond their control.

C'mon, these guys have been playing since HS mostly, which means they've been on teams with hundreds and hundreds of other guys. The vast majority aren't dumb enough to think that there haven't been any gay guys in their locker room.
 
2013-02-27 09:58:50 AM

thecpt: Honest question.  If players are uncomfortable with sharing a locker room with gay men, do their needs have to be accommodated with a separate locker room for themselves?  And if a team started doing it for their players, could the gay men sue for any reason?


not saying its a smart idea, or even legal.  But if someone was openly gay in the NFL and 90% of the team was cool with it, would you want to give a holes like culliver somewhere to go and ostracize them on their own accord?


Cut 'em.  If most of the players are ok with it, you are only looking at replacing a few homophobe players.  Tell them that they can either a) shut up and deal with the fact that gay people exist or b) find themselves suddenly unemployed.

I'm guessing the majority of the homophobe players would take a).
 
2013-02-27 09:59:16 AM

bacongood: Am I only one that thinks there have probably been numerous players out within teams who just wanted to focus on football and not be "the gay football player" so they and their teammates just kept it quiet?


Based on what other players have said, pretty much everyone knows who is and who isn't. Virtually no one cares.
 
2013-02-27 10:00:25 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Tell them that they can either a) shut up and deal with the fact that gay people exist


Which is why the 49ers players still have their jobs. They got a). If they continue to make such comments, they will get b). People almost always get second chances in the NFL.
 
2013-02-27 10:01:40 AM

HMS_Blinkin: thecpt: Honest question.  If players are uncomfortable with sharing a locker room with gay men, do their needs have to be accommodated with a separate locker room for themselves?  And if a team started doing it for their players, could the gay men sue for any reason?


not saying its a smart idea, or even legal.  But if someone was openly gay in the NFL and 90% of the team was cool with it, would you want to give a holes like culliver somewhere to go and ostracize them on their own accord?

Cut 'em.  If most of the players are ok with it, you are only looking at replacing a few homophobe players.  Tell them that they can either a) shut up and deal with the fact that gay people exist or b) find themselves suddenly unemployed.

I'm guessing the majority of the homophobe players would take a).


Well that's what we would do.  Depending on how good the player(s) are, thats not what NFL teams would do.
 
2013-02-27 10:02:24 AM

IAmRight: Yes, they're asking those questions specifically because the NFL locker room is so anti-gay. Not because the wife/girlfriend question brings up other issues - if you have a wife/committed girlfriend, then the team also wants to make arrangements to keep her happy with where she's going to be living for the next few years, if they're doing it right. Similarly, the last question could be to gauge a reaction - you could be weeding out people that are super-offended that you'd even ask.

But no, let's all immediately assume whatever fits in with our preconceived notions, like Mike Florio!

Then let's reprint the negative quote from one idiot football player and ignore how huge the backlash was against him, that several players and coaches within the team and throughout the NFL not only harshly criticized the comments, but have been in support of gay rights.


let's not pretend there isn't a significant segment of the nfl that homophobic.  after all, there are a lot of black and openly religious players in the league. do you want to guess the average position on gay marriage of a black church is (especially pre-obama saying shiat)?  i'll let the prop 8 exit polls answer that for you.

also, from what i've heard the it's not all the entire nfl is anti-gay, and there have been players who were open to some of their teammates/coaches (if not the public).  granted their partner was looked/acted just like one of their "boys" in public to conceal it.  but it's tarded that they are asking.  well, unless they are looking for the first player to come out because they realize what a marketing tool that could be.

it's not cool to even ask such things during a job interview

/here's where someone tells me i shouldn't make generalization about others who are making generalizations.
 
2013-02-27 10:04:40 AM
Cole Landry totes digs chicks:

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2013-02-27 10:11:59 AM

HMS_Blinkin: UNC_Samurai: "Sports is that last corner of society where 'There's no gay people, at all.'

Professional sports, maybe.  I was on a college team in undergrad and had a couple of openly gay teammates.  No one cared.


I'm curious as to what program.  I could imagine teams for smaller schools or those with higher academic standards can be that way.  I can also imagine the hyper-competitive atmosphere at the football factories might do the opposite.
 
2013-02-27 10:12:50 AM

A Fark Handle: it's not cool to even ask such things during a job interview


There are a lot of things that the NFL can do that you're not allowed to ask in a job interview.
 
2013-02-27 10:15:15 AM

IAmRight: A Fark Handle: it's not cool to even ask such things during a job interview

There are a lot of things that the NFL can do that you're not allowed to ask in a job interview.


for the record, if during an interview I was asked "how would you change your waggle route if you recognize that its cover 2" I would want to work for that company no matter what.
 
2013-02-27 10:16:09 AM

thecpt: for the record, if during an interview I was asked "how would you change your waggle route if you recognize that its cover 2" I would want to work for that company no matter what.


I'd like to run an office combine.
 
2013-02-27 10:18:02 AM

IAmRight: A Fark Handle: it's not cool to even ask such things during a job interview

There are a lot of things that the NFL can do that you're not allowed to ask in a job interview.


i realize they do, but it doesn't make it right.  just because the rich and powerful can be assholes, doesn't mean they should.
 
2013-02-27 10:18:45 AM
It's the NFL. If you're a linebacker who can run a 4.1 40 and bench-press 300 pounds 75 times you're getting drafted even if you took a break during the Wonderlic to dance shirtless in a cage with Ricky Martin at a Liza Minelli concert.
 
2013-02-27 10:18:48 AM
Give them the fingernail test. Oh, wait, that's for girls
 
2013-02-27 10:18:56 AM

UNC_Samurai: HMS_Blinkin: UNC_Samurai: "Sports is that last corner of society where 'There's no gay people, at all.'

Professional sports, maybe.  I was on a college team in undergrad and had a couple of openly gay teammates.  No one cared.

I'm curious as to what program.  I could imagine teams for smaller schools or those with higher academic standards can be that way.  I can also imagine the hyper-competitive atmosphere at the football factories might do the opposite.


Well, you are right about that.  Smaller school, high academic standards as well as highly-competitive athletically.  The sport was swimming, which might also make a difference.  I don't think it's the "hyper competitive" nature of football factories that engenders homophobia---all sports at the collegiate level are highly competitive.  I think it's the culture of the sport as a whole.

Football players have the unfortunate handicap of being coached by middle school and high school football coaches, who are (in my personal experience) almost ALL backwards-thinking retards.  I think the culture of the sport gets ingrained in these players when they're young, and it's challenging for those attitudes to get changed at higher levels of the sport.
 
2013-02-27 10:19:32 AM

Generation_D: Jumping jesus H, NFL, join the 21st century. You sound like a bunch of Republicans.

// NFL fan

// LOLzing at this whole ridiculous scenario. Teo ran a 4.8, there's reason enough right there to skip on drafting him.


The owners are a bunch of Republicans.
 
2013-02-27 10:20:17 AM

Mateorocks: Considering that every NFL team is about to make a handful of twentysomethings filthy stinking rich, I think they have a right to ask any damn question they want. Certainly more than one question is going to be related to team chemistry, which is what I think they are going for here.


They can't ask you or I that for an entry level office job, why should they be able to ask that at this specific job?  The amount of money is irrelevant.  It's called employment law, and sports leagues use every trick they can to dodge it.  In this case, it's being used to foster an environment of intolerance and homophobia.
 
2013-02-27 10:21:06 AM

IAmRight: thecpt: for the record, if during an interview I was asked "how would you change your waggle route if you recognize that its cover 2" I would want to work for that company no matter what.

I'd like to run an office combine.


i'm still waiting for an office linebacker

/you kill the jo', you make some mo'!
 
2013-02-27 10:22:01 AM

Swoop1809: If you can play, you can play.

Hockey has embraced this. It's your turn now NFL.


I think the embrace the NFL has given is only just shy of the NHL. Neither league has an openly gay player and there is still open discrimination by some players and "behind the scenes" discrimination by coaching and admin staff. There are fortunately a number of players and coaches who are open in their acceptance but a locker room is still a locker room. You grow up playing the game and if everyone on your team has that homophobic attitude you'll likely grow up to act they same even if you may not have cared. There are only a few people with the nerve to speak up about their acceptance or, rarely, their actual sexuality.

The wait for an "openly gay player" is the whole keystone to the problem. Without at star player who is openly gay the level of acceptance won't drastically increase. Instead there are likely a number of skilled, but not breakout talented, players who don't open up about their sexuality as it would forever reflect their career more than any accomplishments they may have. What's wanted is a superstar gay player who will forever change the lingering stigma. Unfortunately that won't be what happens. It's a steady growth over time and we're edging closer to true acceptance every year. It's surreal to look at how we might have talked about an openly gay player just 15-20 years ago versus the general acceptance (but abundance of attention) they'd receive today.
 
2013-02-27 10:24:27 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's the NFL. If you're a linebacker who can run a 4.1 40 and bench-press 300 pounds 75 times you're getting drafted even if you took a break during the Wonderlic to dance shirtless in a cage with Ricky Martin at a Liza Minelli concert.


I suspect I'd mostly likely put that "linebacker" in as my running back.  If he finds a hole in the D-Line... he's gone man.  He can already run faster than 90-95% of defensive backs and would likely blow them up if they got near him.  Hell, if you find yourself in man coverage, run him upfield, he'll have 2 or 3 steps on the linebacker covering him by the time he's 20 yards out in his pass route.
 
2013-02-27 10:26:51 AM
If a team really wants to know if you're going to have a negative impact on locker room chemistry, the question should not be "do you like girls" but "do you hate homosexuals". Or just cover all the bases and ask "are there any minority groups or specific religions you cannot tolerate, based on personal belief".

It is really disturbing to me that teams are willing to protect the ignorant under the ruse of "team chemistry".
 
2013-02-27 10:28:10 AM

Disaster Transport: If a team really wants to know if you're going to have a negative impact on locker room chemistry, the question should not be "do you like girls" but "do you hate homosexuals". Or just cover all the bases and ask "are there any minority groups or specific religions you cannot tolerate, based on personal belief".

It is really disturbing to me that teams are willing to protect the ignorant under the ruse of "team chemistry".


Well, to be fair, they might also be protecting the ignorance of the owner or coaching staff.
 
2013-02-27 10:28:39 AM

Disaster Transport: If a team really wants to know if you're going to have a negative impact on locker room chemistry, the question should not be "do you like girls" but "do you hate homosexuals". Or just cover all the bases and ask "are there any minority groups or specific religions you cannot tolerate, based on personal belief".


You don't want to ask questions where the answers are obvious and easy to coach. So really, that would be a much, much worse question.
 
2013-02-27 10:34:06 AM

IAmRight: Disaster Transport: If a team really wants to know if you're going to have a negative impact on locker room chemistry, the question should not be "do you like girls" but "do you hate homosexuals". Or just cover all the bases and ask "are there any minority groups or specific religions you cannot tolerate, based on personal belief".

You don't want to ask questions where the answers are obvious and easy to coach. So really, that would be a much, much worse question.


I would say the "correct" answer to both questions are easily coached.  However, when you ask someone if they like girls the implication is, "We ain't hirin' no gays!".  The implication with Disaster's question is, "You better check your prejudices at the door while you work for us."
 
2013-02-27 10:37:27 AM

Khellendros: Mateorocks: Considering that every NFL team is about to make a handful of twentysomethings filthy stinking rich, I think they have a right to ask any damn question they want. Certainly more than one question is going to be related to team chemistry, which is what I think they are going for here.

They can't ask you or I that for an entry level office job, why should they be able to ask that at this specific job?  The amount of money is irrelevant.  It's called employment law, and sports leagues use every trick they can to dodge it.  In this case, it's being used to foster an environment of intolerance and homophobia.


Though I am loathe to link to a Yahoo story, it's really about state employment laws:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--can-nfl-teams-ask-manti-te-o-if-he -s -gay--depends-on-which-teams-are-doing-the-asking-024157625.html
 
2013-02-27 10:37:43 AM

A Fark Handle: it's not cool to even ask such things during a job interview


In 20 states, it's illegal to ask about sexual orientation during job interviews. Indiana (where the combine takes place) isn't one of those states,  but depending on which team was asking the question, they may be subject to their own state laws.

Also, although it's not illegal to ask about marital status, it's considered evidence of intent to discriminate under the Civil Rights Act.
 
2013-02-27 10:40:02 AM
it is unfortunate but i recognize why, in that environment/culture, people (meaning players and coaches) would care.  or stated differently, believe that sexual orientation was relevant.  one example (of dozens):  a few weeks ago on Jay Mohr Sports, former FSU QB Chris Rix went on the show, nationally syndicated in like, 150 markets, and did the "I'm not saying Darnell Dockett was gay, I'm just saying people wondered if he was gay.  I'm not saying he is, I'm just saying, maybe he is."

the next day, Nine Oh's Twitter was blowed the fark up with threats to kick Rix' ass, and a teammate of both Rix and Nine Oh called in and went off on Rix (and denied that Nine Oh was gay).  It was silly, big picture, but in that hypermacho environment, to those folks, sexual orientation matters.
 
2013-02-27 10:41:48 AM

Mercutio74: I would say the "correct" answer to both questions are easily coached.


It feels like none of you people have ever heard the expression "give 'em enough rope to hang themselves." You lead with a statement-type question like DT posted, you're basically putting them on guard for the whole interview. You have questions that are questionable only to people that already are more receptive to homosexuals, you make homophobes comfortable in the whole thing and you can get them to divulge more.

Basically, only an idiot would take one question out of a 15-30 minute interview and claim it's indicative of anything. You need the whole interview and context.

But really, no one's interested in context these days. Let's just all turn everything into oppressors vs. the righteous!
 
2013-02-27 10:47:51 AM

rickythepenguin: "I'm not saying Darnell Dockett was gay, I'm just saying people wondered if he was gay.  I'm not saying he is, I'm just saying, maybe he is."

the next day, Nine Oh's Twitter was blowed the fark up with threats to kick Rix' ass, and a teammate of both Rix and Nine Oh called in and went off on Rix (and denied that Nine Oh was gay).  It was silly, big picture, but in that hypermacho environment, to those folks, sexual orientation matters.


Rix is clearly pretty much a piece of sh*t for even speculating on it, and deserves to get his ass kicked.

I have an idea - let's stop talking about everyone's sex lives. I'm perfectly cool with never hearing about any athlete's wife, girlfriend, husband, or boyfriend. I could really do without, specifically, Patriots fans responding to everyone making fun of a Brady loss with "now he'll bang his supermodel wife" like they actually get enjoyment basking in that reflected glory. You're not banging her, no one cares if the QB is. We care that your team lost and it's great because your fans are often insufferable douchebags.

/I'm sure other fanbases do it, but Patriots fans are the people most likely to discuss their imagination of their QB's sex life.
 
2013-02-27 11:06:57 AM
So to recap, in the NFL:

-- Alleged murderer who was plea bargained down to not being charged: OK!
-- Dog killer who strangled and electrocuted dozens of animals for profit: OK!
-- potentially gay draft pick: NO
 
2013-02-27 11:11:37 AM

Generation_D: So to recap, in the NFL:

-- Alleged murderer who was plea bargained down to not being charged: OK!
-- Dog killer who strangled and electrocuted dozens of animals for profit: OK!
-- potentially gay draft pick: NO


yeah, that was peter king's column monday.  i don't think he referneced Ray-Ray or 7, but he mentioned something like, Teo's presser was nuts to butts, 45 minutes, whereas some guy that i think got a DUI and had marijuana on him just days ago, had like a 7 minute presser with a dozen guys.  WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE
 
2013-02-27 11:14:40 AM

Mateorocks: Khellendros: Mateorocks: Considering that every NFL team is about to make a handful of twentysomethings filthy stinking rich, I think they have a right to ask any damn question they want. Certainly more than one question is going to be related to team chemistry, which is what I think they are going for here.

They can't ask you or I that for an entry level office job, why should they be able to ask that at this specific job?  The amount of money is irrelevant.  It's called employment law, and sports leagues use every trick they can to dodge it.  In this case, it's being used to foster an environment of intolerance and homophobia.

Though I am loathe to link to a Yahoo story, it's really about state employment laws:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--can-nfl-teams-ask-manti-te-o-if-he -s -gay--depends-on-which-teams-are-doing-the-asking-024157625.html


That's accurate for asking directly if he's gay.  However, asking questions about whether you're married, have kids, etc, is covered under federal laws.  If they're trying to dodge the state law on asking if he's homosexual, they might find themselves falling face-first into a federal issue if they try to get into items like marital status as a proxy.
 
2013-02-27 11:15:41 AM

Generation_D: -- potentially gay draft pick: NO


No one has said that except people creating their own story out of their own heads based on their own stereotypes.

rickythepenguin: i don't think he referneced Ray-Ray or 7, but he mentioned something like, Teo's presser was nuts to butts, 45 minutes, whereas some guy that i think got a DUI and had marijuana on him just days ago, had like a 7 minute presser with a dozen guys.  WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE


Yeah, there are no other reasons for Te'o's press conference to be well-attended, while "some guy"'s conference would not have many.
 
2013-02-27 11:23:18 AM

Lost Thought 00: I'm pretty sure that it was ever found out that a team passed on a player because they thought he was gay, that team, and possibly the NFL in general, would find themselves in one hell of a discrimination lawsuit. You're talking about punishments for potentially lost career salaries on the NFL level. In short, they are absolute idiots for asking in the first place, because now they can't claim ignorance, and I'm surprised their lawyers let them ask.


You do know that it's perfectly legal in the majority of states to deny employment based on sexual orientation, right?
 
2013-02-27 11:25:23 AM

Khellendros: That's accurate for asking directly if he's gay



"Hey Manti.  Great interview, I like how you diagrammed the 4-3 and 3-4 schemes for a mobile QB and you've shown impressive pass coverage and your read/recognition of the option is great.  Just to finish up, couple questions for ya:

Do you like Coldplay?

Manolo Blahnik or Kate Spade?

Ruching on a pencil dress;  sashay shontae, or hot mess?"

SATC question:  are you more Carrie, Samantha, Charlotte, or Miranda?"
 
2013-02-27 11:28:07 AM

A Fark Handle: IAmRight: A Fark Handle: it's not cool to even ask such things during a job interview

There are a lot of things that the NFL can do that you're not allowed to ask in a job interview.

i realize they do, but it doesn't make it right.  just because the rich and powerful can be assholes, doesn't mean they should.


Actually, they can do it because the NFLPA says they can. The only way a draft is even remotely legal is because it was bargained with the union.
 
2013-02-27 11:34:41 AM

LarryDan43: Generation_D: Jumping jesus H, NFL, join the 21st century. You sound like a bunch of Republicans.

// NFL fan

// LOLzing at this whole ridiculous scenario. Teo ran a 4.8, there's reason enough right there to skip on drafting him.

The owners are a bunch of Republicans.


Well, except for the owners of the Falcons, Ravens, Bills, Colts, Vikings, Patriots, Giants, Eagles, Steelers, Rams, and Lions who are long-time, active Democrats.
 
2013-02-27 11:36:45 AM

meanmutton: Steelers


i think last off-season, Ambassador Rooney was chirping about hosting an NFL game in Dublin.

/'Izzat a feckin' touchdown, ye steamin' skanger?"
 
2013-02-27 11:49:46 AM
Well, one thing is for sure.... if a team wants things that are said in the locker room to stay in the locker room, Nick Kasa should not be drafted to their team.

/they asked me if I liked girls... I better tell the media that one when they interview me!

//say goodbye to the chance of being drafted by the Saints
 
2013-02-27 11:53:57 AM

Sergeant Crash: Well, one thing is for sure.... if a team wants things that are said in the locker room to stay in the locker room, Nick Kasa should not be drafted to their team.



pffft.  stuff gets leaked all the time.  vince young's wonderlic, "is your mom a prostitute?" for example.
 
2013-02-27 12:04:51 PM
sure, stuff gets "leaked".... but to actually go out on a radio interview and spill the beans about something like this nature-- (when I'm sure people will be calling for an investigation on "which teams asked that") is not going to bode well from a PR stand-point with this guy. 

Radio Host:  "What kind of questions did they ask you in the interview?"
Player:  "A wide range of interviews-- from football to personal life.  But the specific questions are between me and the team, and I hope I impressed them with all of my answers."
 
2013-02-27 12:05:47 PM

Sergeant Crash: sure, stuff gets "leaked".... but to actually go out on a radio interview and spill the beans about something like this nature-- (when I'm sure people will be calling for an investigation on "which teams asked that") is not going to bode well from a PR stand-point with this guy. 

Radio Host:  "What kind of questions did they ask you in the interview?"
Player:  "A wide range of interviews questions-- from football to personal life.  But the specific questions are between me and the team, and I hope I impressed them with all of my answers."

 
2013-02-27 12:11:35 PM
Just show them Gronk's porno and see if he's watching the receiver or the TE.
 
2013-02-27 12:12:33 PM

roc6783: Just show them him Gronk's porno and see if he's watching the receiver or the TE.


//For shame...for shame.
 
2013-02-27 12:14:00 PM
With all the character issues among NFL players, who is getting shiat on his dick should be the least concerning.
 
2013-02-27 12:14:29 PM

UNC_Samurai: I hope that we see the day soon where a player can be openly gay in the locker room.


You want to see them blowing eachother in the locker room?
 
2013-02-27 12:45:56 PM

mikaloyd: UNC_Samurai: I hope that we see the day soon where a player can be openly gay in the locker room.

You want to see them blowing eachother in the locker room?


News flash - being openly hetero/gay/etc doesn't mean you're performing a sex act.
 
2013-02-27 12:46:01 PM

Sergeant Crash: sure, stuff gets "leaked".... but to actually go out on a radio interview and spill the beans about something like this nature-- (when I'm sure people will be calling for an investigation on "which teams asked that") is not going to bode well from a PR stand-point with this guy. 

Radio Host:  "What kind of questions did they ask you in the interview?"
Player:  "A wide range of interviews-- from football to personal life.  But the specific questions are between me and the team, and I hope I impressed them with all of my answers."


Maybe he cares more about principles than his own personal interests?

/plus, it may increase his stock with some other teams
 
2013-02-27 12:49:25 PM

meanmutton: A Fark Handle: IAmRight: A Fark Handle: it's not cool to even ask such things during a job interview

There are a lot of things that the NFL can do that you're not allowed to ask in a job interview.

i realize they do, but it doesn't make it right.  just because the rich and powerful can be assholes, doesn't mean they should.

Actually, they can do it because the NFLPA says they can. The only way a draft is even remotely legal is because it was bargained with the union.


yes, i realize this, but it still doesn't make it right.
 
2013-02-27 12:59:41 PM

A Fark Handle: meanmutton: A Fark Handle: IAmRight: A Fark Handle: it's not cool to even ask such things during a job interview

There are a lot of things that the NFL can do that you're not allowed to ask in a job interview.

i realize they do, but it doesn't make it right.  just because the rich and powerful can be assholes, doesn't mean they should.

Actually, they can do it because the NFLPA says they can. The only way a draft is even remotely legal is because it was bargained with the union.

yes, i realize this, but it still doesn't make it right.


not everyone likes gay people.  it's kind of gross/weird.  Anal sex is gross/weird in general.  Having a dude in the locker room possibly thinking about your crank or wondering what your spooge tastes like is weir/gross/unwelcomed too.  Maybe dude is in a relationship, maybe he's a male slut.

It's a valid question.  The idea that we HAVE to accept and tolerate something so unnatural is foolish.  The real biggots are gay people and the rather confused 'progressive' supporters.  How the hell are you going to tell me what I have to believe?  Isn't that supposedly what you're mad about?  Talk about a hypocrite.
 
2013-02-27 01:00:14 PM

Sergeant Crash: Well, one thing is for sure.... if a team wants things that are said in the locker room to stay in the locker room, Nick Kasa should not be drafted to their team.

/they asked me if I liked girls... I better tell the media that one when they interview me!

//say goodbye to the chance of being drafted by the Saints


There's absolutely nothing sacred or to be kept "in-house" regarding such a broad interview process. Now, if he actually disclosed specific teams/personnel who asked these questions...
 
2013-02-27 01:05:09 PM

Killer Cars: There's absolutely nothing sacred or to be kept "in-house" regarding such a broad interview process. Now, if he actually disclosed specific teams/personnel who asked these questions...


This. If he'd named names, it would be an issue. But if you just say "teams asked..." then it's no biggie. Just like it's fine for people to say "I know I've had gay teammates," but Chris Rix is a dumbf*ck for implying that a specific player was gay.
 
2013-02-27 01:07:51 PM

TiiiMMMaHHH: A Fark Handle: meanmutton: A Fark Handle: IAmRight: A Fark Handle: it's not cool to even ask such things during a job interview

There are a lot of things that the NFL can do that you're not allowed to ask in a job interview.

i realize they do, but it doesn't make it right.  just because the rich and powerful can be assholes, doesn't mean they should.

Actually, they can do it because the NFLPA says they can. The only way a draft is even remotely legal is because it was bargained with the union.

yes, i realize this, but it still doesn't make it right.

not everyone likes gay people.  it's kind of gross/weird.  Anal sex is gross/weird in general.  Having a dude in the locker room possibly thinking about your crank or wondering what your spooge tastes like is weir/gross/unwelcomed too.  Maybe dude is in a relationship, maybe he's a male slut.

It's a valid question.  The idea that we HAVE to accept and tolerate something so unnatural is foolish.  The real biggots are gay people and the rather confused 'progressive' supporters.  How the hell are you going to tell me what I have to believe?  Isn't that supposedly what you're mad about?  Talk about a hypocrite.


so you're a farking tard.  thanks for clarifying that for us.  it's not a valid question.  just like i don't question why your wife is cheating on you, you shouldn't question other adults do behind closed doors.  you don't have to believe a thing, just let them be.  do you worry about women in the office thinking about your small cock?  is that unwelcomed too?  what if it's the fat ugly chick with the lazy eye?
 
2013-02-27 01:11:27 PM

A Fark Handle: so you're a farking tard.  thanks for clarifying that for us.  it's not a valid question.  just like i don't question why your wife is cheating on you, you shouldn't question other adults do behind closed doors.  you don't have to believe a thing, just let them be.  do you worry about women in the office thinking about your small cock?  is that unwelcomed too?  what if it's the fat ugly chick with the lazy eye?


while that was all "find the ointment, you just got burned' worth stuff, I'm pretty sure he's trollin.
 
2013-02-27 01:12:00 PM

IAmRight: but Chris Rix is a dumbf*ck for implying that a specific player was gay.


Yeah...if you want to "joke" about something like that, you better damn well have prior permission to even go down the road from the 6'4, 290lb target.

/I haven't listened to the audio yet, but via text transcript of Rix's exchange on Mohr's show...it seems more like a straight up accusation than anything playful.
 
2013-02-27 01:14:50 PM

thecpt: A Fark Handle: so you're a farking tard.  thanks for clarifying that for us.  it's not a valid question.  just like i don't question why your wife is cheating on you, you shouldn't question other adults do behind closed doors.  you don't have to believe a thing, just let them be.  do you worry about women in the office thinking about your small cock?  is that unwelcomed too?  what if it's the fat ugly chick with the lazy eye?

while that was all "find the ointment, you just got burned' worth stuff, I'm pretty sure he's trollin.


yeah, probably and i hope so.  but i'm bored and felt like responding for my own entertainment.
 
2013-02-27 01:25:51 PM

A Fark Handle: yeah, probably and i hope so.  but i'm bored and felt like responding for my own entertainment.


I can respect that.  Well as I said before, it was entertaining
 
2013-02-27 01:28:31 PM

Killer Cars: /I haven't listened to the audio yet, but via text transcript of Rix's exchange on Mohr's show...it seems more like a straight up accusation than anything playful.



the weird thing is it came out of nowhere.Slam was taking a poke at the then-current story about Nine Oh twittering to that SEC QB's girlfriend, and then Rix calls in out of the blue to start clicking his damn teeth about Nine Oh. Slam tried to save him from himself -- "are you SURE you want to say this?" -- but Rix kept running his damn mouth.  it was bizarre.

rix says something like, "people would ask, 'why is Nine Oh always at so-and-so's dorm?'  How come he isn't hanging out with the fellas?  He's always with so-and-so.'  that's why people wondered about his preferences that way."

and the next day when the other teammate called in to (a) defend Nine Oh and (b) destroy Rix, I thought he was standup in saying, "who cares anyways?"

farking idiot.  yeah, "CB Assassin*", real smart to start throwing smack at a 6'5" 290lb force of nature with a known history of acting the fool.

*or whatever his stupid business cards said
 
2013-02-27 01:31:31 PM
the problemisn't that he could be gay.

the problemis that he covered up the fakegirlfriend thing  with a ton of inconsistencies that aren't wiped awayby a smokescreen presser.

and hetan a slow 40.
 
2013-02-27 02:24:47 PM
It is legal to discriminate based on sexual orientation in Oklahoma.

I know this because my brother-in-law isn't all the way out of the closet and he's 40.   He is afraid someone at his job will find out and he will get fired.
 
2013-02-27 02:27:20 PM
hollywoodcrush.mtv.com
 
2013-02-27 02:31:28 PM

rickythepenguin: Teo's presser was nuts to butts


you just had to, didn't you?
 
2013-02-27 02:33:27 PM

SlothB77: you just had to, didn't you?


it was unintentional, i swear!   i was trying to convey it was packed. you know.  their shiat was packed.

(paging dr. freud....)
 
2013-02-27 02:36:48 PM

Khellendros: mikaloyd: UNC_Samurai: I hope that we see the day soon where a player can be openly gay in the locker room.

You want to see them blowing eachother in the locker room?

News flash - being openly hetero/gay/etc doesn't mean you're performing a sex act.


How do you see openly gay in a locker room then? is there a tattoo or something?
 
2013-02-27 03:39:06 PM

mikaloyd: Khellendros: mikaloyd: UNC_Samurai: I hope that we see the day soon where a player can be openly gay in the locker room.

You want to see them blowing eachother in the locker room?

News flash - being openly hetero/gay/etc doesn't mean you're performing a sex act.

How do you see openly gay in a locker room then? is there a tattoo or something?


I know there's a lot of snark in your post, but no active NFL player has publicly disclosed being gay - there's a couple of retired players who have, but it's a lot easier to come out when you're no longer in that locker room every day.
 
2013-02-27 03:40:20 PM

mikaloyd: Khellendros: mikaloyd: UNC_Samurai: I hope that we see the day soon where a player can be openly gay in the locker room.

You want to see them blowing eachother in the locker room?

News flash - being openly hetero/gay/etc doesn't mean you're performing a sex act.

How do you see openly gay in a locker room then? is there a tattoo or something?


Are you being intentionally dense, or just a troll?

Talking about their significant others, making jokes about the guys they pick up, being able to say simple things like "gotta go, my guy's waiting on me".  You know, the conversations and off-handed remarks that heterosexual people make regularly, and without a second thought.  Being able to be open an honest about a relatively simple and normal thing in their life that currently gets vilified or attacked whenever it comes up.  Instead, they have to hide it, lie about it, and cover it up.  If they don't, they risk being ostracized.

It's a goddamned federal case whenever someone brings up that an NFL player MIGHT POSSIBLY be homosexual.  Like they're some sort of criminal.  And the paranoid behavior is reinforced and allowed by the league.  It's BS, and they should take greater efforts to change a culture of ignorance and stupidity.
 
2013-02-27 03:43:27 PM
and if he says yes, it's a good way to weed out the gay ones.

/I like "Girls"
//no homo
 
2013-02-27 04:06:34 PM

Khellendros: Are you being intentionally dense, or just a troll?


You call a lot of names. Does that help ?
 
2013-02-27 04:10:23 PM

SkylineRecords: Jesus H. Christ, even our military stopped doing that.


And, there it is.
 
2013-02-27 04:39:42 PM
It seems that the NFL is so far behind the times, they are now less tolerant than fraternities.
 
2013-02-27 05:09:39 PM

mikaloyd: Khellendros: Are you being intentionally dense, or just a troll?

You call a lot of names. Does that help ?


Help what?  I'm still curious as to whether you're trolling, or just that painfully ignorant of what being "openly gay" means.  My guess at this point is that you're trolling, but there's always the chance you actually don't understand the issue, and chose instead to suck on paint chips after breakfast.  But conventional wisdom says to never attribute malice to actions that are more easily explained by ignorance, so I'll reserve judgement.
 
2013-02-27 05:43:53 PM

A Fark Handle: TiiiMMMaHHH: A Fark Handle: meanmutton: A Fark Handle: IAmRight: A Fark Handle: it's not cool to even ask such things during a job interview

There are a lot of things that the NFL can do that you're not allowed to ask in a job interview.

i realize they do, but it doesn't make it right.  just because the rich and powerful can be assholes, doesn't mean they should.

Actually, they can do it because the NFLPA says they can. The only way a draft is even remotely legal is because it was bargained with the union.

yes, i realize this, but it still doesn't make it right.

not everyone likes gay people.  it's kind of gross/weird.  Anal sex is gross/weird in general.  Having a dude in the locker room possibly thinking about your crank or wondering what your spooge tastes like is weir/gross/unwelcomed too.  Maybe dude is in a relationship, maybe he's a male slut.

It's a valid question.  The idea that we HAVE to accept and tolerate something so unnatural is foolish.  The real biggots are gay people and the rather confused 'progressive' supporters.  How the hell are you going to tell me what I have to believe?  Isn't that supposedly what you're mad about?  Talk about a hypocrite.

so you're a farking tard.  thanks for clarifying that for us.  it's not a valid question.  just like i don't question why your wife is cheating on you, you shouldn't question other adults do behind closed doors.  you don't have to believe a thing, just let them be.  do you worry about women in the office thinking about your small cock?  is that unwelcomed too?  what if it's the fat ugly chick with the lazy eye?


Wow.  Look at all of that hatespeak.  And you are an advocate for teh ghey?  That's like the lorax wearing trufula tree-based underwear.  Just because you don't like my orientation on orientation, you don't have to lambast me with all of that hatespeak.  It's as if you are a hateful person, who just happens to have a soft spot for the ghey.  But don't worry, almost all sympathizers who think they are kind and have a heart are as selective as you.
 
2013-02-27 05:48:07 PM

Khellendros: mikaloyd: Khellendros: Are you being intentionally dense, or just a troll?

You call a lot of names. Does that help ?

Help what?  I'm still curious as to whether you're trolling, or just that painfully ignorant of what being "openly gay" means.  My guess at this point is that you're trolling, but there's always the chance you actually don't understand the issue, and chose instead to suck on paint chips after breakfast.  But conventional wisdom says to never attribute malice to actions that are more easily explained by ignorance, so I'll reserve judgement.


quite ironic for someone who spouts so much malice.  But ignorance is a mofo, how do you know what you don't know?  Oh, and BTW, you haven't reserved judgement, not at all.  Does it make you feel good to say you've reserved judgement?  Because you look like quite an ignorant hypocrite from here.  And I use the words ignorant and hypocrite in terms of their webster definitions, not as hateful language masqueraded as intelligence.

/I've always been amazed at the hateful nature of human right's supporters.  Could it be that humans are just evil, no matter who we advocate for?
//and (troll) scene.
///I know you can't come to terms with the blazing light of truth Ive shown upon you.  You'd have to kill yourself if you really got what I'm saying.
 
2013-02-27 06:10:31 PM

Khellendros: mikaloyd: Khellendros: Are you being intentionally dense, or just a troll?

You call a lot of names. Does that help ?

Help what?  I'm still curious as to whether you're trolling, or just that painfully ignorant of what being "openly gay" means.  My guess at this point is that you're trolling, but there's always the chance you actually don't understand the issue, and chose instead to suck on paint chips after breakfast.  But conventional wisdom says to never attribute malice to actions that are more easily explained by ignorance, so I'll reserve judgement.


Help the cause you are advocating.
 
2013-02-27 06:37:58 PM

TiiiMMMaHHH: A Fark Handle: TiiiMMMaHHH: not everyone likes gay people.  it's kind of gross/weird.  Anal sex is gross/weird in general.  Having a dude in the locker room possibly thinking about your crank or wondering what your spooge tastes like is weir/gross/unwelcomed too.  Maybe dude is in a relationship, maybe he's a male slut.

It's a valid question.  The idea that we HAVE to accept and tolerate something so unnatural is foolish.  The real biggots are gay people and the rather confused 'progressive' supporters.  How the hell are you going to tell me what I have to believe?  Isn't that supposedly what you're mad about?  Talk about a hypocrite.

so you're a farking tard.  thanks for clarifying that for us.  it's not a valid question.  just like i don't question why your wife is cheating on you, you shouldn't question other adults do behind closed doors.  you don't have to believe a thing, just let them be.  do you worry about women in the office thinking about your small cock?  is that unwelcomed too?  what if it's the fat ugly chick with the lazy eye?

Wow.  Look at all of that hatespeak.  And you are an advocate for teh ghey?  That's like the lorax wearing trufula tree-based underwear.  Just because you don't like my orientation on orientation, you don't have to lambast me with all of that hatespeak.  It's as if you are a hateful person, who just happens to have a soft spot for the ghey.

But don't worry, almost all sympathizers who think they are kind and have a heart are as selective as you.

but you are a tard.  and the fat ugly chick is both fat and ugly (of course her mom or wow playing husband may have a different opinion or enjoy her rolls).  here's a newsflash for you; just because i'm smart enough to realize that it's none of my damn business what some adults i don't know do behind closed doors doesn't mean i have to sing kumbaya and give out free hugs to dipshiats i have had the misfortune of stumbling across in life.  i hate a lot of people, but i try to hate them for them for them, not because they happen to be gay, black, from alabama, etc.
 
2013-02-27 07:16:36 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's the NFL. If you're a linebacker who can run a 4.1 40 and bench-press 300 pounds 75 times you're getting drafted even if you took a break during the Wonderlic to dance shirtless in a cage with Ricky Martin at a Liza Minelli concert.

img0.joyreactor.com
 
2013-02-27 08:30:20 PM
I see no problem with this.

I know when I watch a sport where big, sweaty men bash into one another while wearing tight pants, and then other men go up behind some of them and put their hands down into their warm crotches to get that ball....HEY WAIT A MINUTE!

/who care who the guy is humping...if he play the sport...let em play.
 
2013-02-28 12:30:37 PM
Phuq HufPo. Try to read an innocent news article about gays, and 2 video streams on the page cranked as loud as they can go, then when you try to stop them, a new link pops up? Phuqin' Libtards.
 
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