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2013-02-27 03:13:22 AM
FTA:"[Teams] ask you like, 'Do you have a girlfriend?' Are you married?'Do you like girls?'" Kasa told CJ and Kreckman of ESPN Radio Denver on Tuesday. "Those kinds of things, and you know it was just kind of weird. But they would ask you with a straight face, and it's a pretty weird experience altogether."The comments come a day after Mike Florio of NBC Sports and ProFootballTalk told radio host Dan Patrick that NFL teams were extremely curious about the sexual orientation of Notre Dame's Manti Te'o.
 
2013-02-27 04:43:28 AM

shower_in_my_socks: FTA:"[Teams] ask you like, 'Do you have a girlfriend?' Are you married?'Do you like girls?'" Kasa told CJ and Kreckman of ESPN Radio Denver on Tuesday. "Those kinds of things, and you know it was just kind of weird. But they would ask you with a straight face, and it's a pretty weird experience altogether."The comments come a day after Mike Florio of NBC Sports and ProFootballTalk told radio host Dan Patrick that NFL teams were extremely curious about the sexual orientation of Notre Dame's Manti Te'o.


LOL

NFL teams should be more curious about his ability to get off of blocks at the next level.
 
2013-02-27 07:23:19 AM
Somehow I get the feeling there are a lot of football fans who would be very interested in seeing their favorite players in flagrante delicto though of course in public those fans will pretend to be outraged.
 
2013-02-27 07:37:20 AM
heh heh heh ... tight end.
 
2013-02-27 07:37:49 AM
Jumping jesus H, NFL, join the 21st century. You sound like a bunch of Republicans.

// NFL fan

// LOLzing at this whole ridiculous scenario. Teo ran a 4.8, there's reason enough right there to skip on drafting him.
 
2013-02-27 07:47:07 AM
There are better questions for finding out.

"Do you like movies about gladiators?"

"Have you ever seen a grown man naked?"
 
2013-02-27 07:53:37 AM
Just say "Clang, clang, clang" and see how he reacts.
 
2013-02-27 08:00:21 AM

Generation_D: Jumping jesus H, NFL, join the 21st century. You sound like a bunch of Republicans.

// NFL fan

// LOLzing at this whole ridiculous scenario. Teo ran a 4.8, there's reason enough right there to skip on drafting him.


Oh, I think he'll be drafted. Just not until the later rounds. Some team's going to want the name recognition.
 
2013-02-27 08:09:13 AM
After the fake GF thing, I kind of want to know if Te'o is gay too.

/NTTAWWT
 
2013-02-27 08:40:22 AM

I_Am_Weasel: There are better questions for finding out.

"Do you like movies about gladiators?"

"Have you ever seen a grown man naked?"


www.moviesaboutgladiators.com
Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
 
2013-02-27 08:41:32 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Just say "Clang, clang, clang" and see how he reacts.


Went the trolley, ding ding ding went the bell....HEY WTF?!
 
2013-02-27 09:11:48 AM
Jesus H. Christ, even our military stopped doing that.
 
2013-02-27 09:14:56 AM
I'm pretty sure that it was ever found out that a team passed on a player because they thought he was gay, that team, and possibly the NFL in general, would find themselves in one hell of a discrimination lawsuit. You're talking about punishments for potentially lost career salaries on the NFL level. In short, they are absolute idiots for asking in the first place, because now they can't claim ignorance, and I'm surprised their lawyers let them ask.
 
2013-02-27 09:15:37 AM

Ennuipoet: I_Am_Weasel: There are better questions for finding out.

"Do you like movies about gladiators?"

"Have you ever seen a grown man naked?"

[www.moviesaboutgladiators.com image 500x282]
Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?


"Have you ever climbed the rope in gym class?"
 
2013-02-27 09:16:10 AM

Generation_D: Jumping jesus H, NFL, join the 21st century. You sound like a bunch of Republicans.


As the local afternoon radio host (Joe Ovies, 99.9 The Fan for those of you in the Triangle) said, "Sports is that last corner of society where 'There's no gay people, at all.'  And that exists for a variety of reasons, and one day a lot of people are going to get a very rude awakening."

I hope that we see the day soon where a player can be openly gay in the locker room.
 
2013-02-27 09:17:16 AM

UNC_Samurai: Sports is that last corner of society where 'There's no gay people, at all.'


Well, that and Iran
 
2013-02-27 09:20:50 AM

I_Am_Weasel: There are better questions for finding out.

"Do you like movies about gladiators?"

"Have you ever seen a grown man naked?"


"Would you care for a date with Dez Bryant's mother?"
 
2013-02-27 09:21:05 AM
If you can play, you can play.

Hockey has embraced this. It's your turn now NFL.
 
2013-02-27 09:24:53 AM

Generation_D: Jumping jesus H, NFL, join the 21st century. You sound like a bunch of Republicans.


I have a feeling they are a bunch of Republicans.
 
2013-02-27 09:40:31 AM
Considering that every NFL team is about to make a handful of twentysomethings filthy stinking rich, I think they have a right to ask any damn question they want. Certainly more than one question is going to be related to team chemistry, which is what I think they are going for here.
 
2013-02-27 09:41:07 AM
Yes, they're asking those questions specifically because the NFL locker room is so anti-gay. Not because the wife/girlfriend question brings up other issues - if you have a wife/committed girlfriend, then the team also wants to make arrangements to keep her happy with where she's going to be living for the next few years, if they're doing it right. Similarly, the last question could be to gauge a reaction - you could be weeding out people that are super-offended that you'd even ask.

But no, let's all immediately assume whatever fits in with our preconceived notions, like Mike Florio!

Then let's reprint the negative quote from one idiot football player and ignore how huge the backlash was against him, that several players and coaches within the team and throughout the NFL not only harshly criticized the comments, but have been in support of gay rights.
 
2013-02-27 09:41:41 AM

UNC_Samurai: "Sports is that last corner of society where 'There's no gay people, at all.'


Professional sports, maybe.  I was on a college team in undergrad and had a couple of openly gay teammates.  No one cared.
 
2013-02-27 09:42:13 AM
Honest question.  If players are uncomfortable with sharing a locker room with gay men, do their needs have to be accommodated with a separate locker room for themselves?  And if a team started doing it for their players, could the gay men sue for any reason?


not saying its a smart idea, or even legal.  But if someone was openly gay in the NFL and 90% of the team was cool with it, would you want to give a holes like culliver somewhere to go and ostracize them on their own accord?
 
2013-02-27 09:44:46 AM

IAmRight: Not because the wife/girlfriend question brings up other issues - if you have a wife/committed girlfriend, then the team also wants to make arrangements to keep her happy with where she's going to be living for the next few years, if they're doing it right.


Then why not use gender-neutral words, if it really isn't about gay/straight?  Why say "wife" and "girlfriend" instead of "spouse" and "significant other?"

IAmRight: Similarly, the last question could be to gauge a reaction - you could be weeding out people that are super-offended that you'd even ask


Then why are those doofus-homophobe guys still playing for the 49ers, if the NFL is so interested in "weeding them out?"
 
2013-02-27 09:47:33 AM

thecpt: Honest question.  If players are uncomfortable with sharing a locker room with gay men, do their needs have to be accommodated with a separate locker room for themselves?  And if a team started doing it for their players, could the gay men sue for any reason?


not saying its a smart idea, or even legal.  But if someone was openly gay in the NFL and 90% of the team was cool with it, would you want to give a holes like culliver somewhere to go and ostracize them on their own accord?


It'd probably be cheaper to just cut them, rather than give them a "no-gays allowed" room
 
2013-02-27 09:51:17 AM
Am I only one that thinks there have probably been numerous players out within teams who just wanted to focus on football and not be "the gay football player" so they and their teammates just kept it quiet?

There are a lot of guys who are still figuring out what they are in their early 20s, trying to come out and having the media be breathing down your neck for a "story" isn't going to help.
 
2013-02-27 09:57:44 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Then why are those doofus-homophobe guys still playing for the 49ers, if the NFL is so interested in "weeding them out?"


It's not so much about "weeding them out" as it would be "damaging to draft stock," same as "being gay" would be in the "NFL is homophobic" worldview. No one's dumb enough to think a team would skip over drafting an obvious first-rounder for the entire draft simply because he's gay (I hope no one's dumb enough to think this). It would likely be similar for homophobes.

Plus there's a simple case of getting second chances. The dude apologized (not to the extent some people would like, but hey, as long as people keep their desires bottled up and never express them, it's completely fine, right, gay people?). So he's okay until he f*cks up again. If he does say some dumb sh*t again, he's not going to have a job much longer unless he becomes a consistent All-Pro.

HMS_Blinkin: Then why not use gender-neutral words, if it really isn't about gay/straight?  Why say "wife" and "girlfriend" instead of "spouse" and "significant other?"


Because using the words that apply to 95% of the people are perfectly fine. If someone doesn't like the wording, they're free to express their reservations or explain their situation. And that would be great - if they do feel comfortable outing themselves in an interview, then they're pretty damn confident in themselves, their lifestyle, etc. They'd be a great "Jackie Robinson of gays".

Again, this is a case of people, rather than being willing to give others the benefit of the doubt, wanting to paint anyone they can as enemies of whatever cause they support. It's annoying as f*ck and it's 90% of interaction in the public forum these days. There's no effort whatsoever to see where people are coming from.

Every professional athlete is aware of the fact that they've had gay teammates. Most realize this and don't really care, because ultimately, it's something beyond their control.

C'mon, these guys have been playing since HS mostly, which means they've been on teams with hundreds and hundreds of other guys. The vast majority aren't dumb enough to think that there haven't been any gay guys in their locker room.
 
2013-02-27 09:58:50 AM

thecpt: Honest question.  If players are uncomfortable with sharing a locker room with gay men, do their needs have to be accommodated with a separate locker room for themselves?  And if a team started doing it for their players, could the gay men sue for any reason?


not saying its a smart idea, or even legal.  But if someone was openly gay in the NFL and 90% of the team was cool with it, would you want to give a holes like culliver somewhere to go and ostracize them on their own accord?


Cut 'em.  If most of the players are ok with it, you are only looking at replacing a few homophobe players.  Tell them that they can either a) shut up and deal with the fact that gay people exist or b) find themselves suddenly unemployed.

I'm guessing the majority of the homophobe players would take a).
 
2013-02-27 09:59:16 AM

bacongood: Am I only one that thinks there have probably been numerous players out within teams who just wanted to focus on football and not be "the gay football player" so they and their teammates just kept it quiet?


Based on what other players have said, pretty much everyone knows who is and who isn't. Virtually no one cares.
 
2013-02-27 10:00:25 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Tell them that they can either a) shut up and deal with the fact that gay people exist


Which is why the 49ers players still have their jobs. They got a). If they continue to make such comments, they will get b). People almost always get second chances in the NFL.
 
2013-02-27 10:01:40 AM

HMS_Blinkin: thecpt: Honest question.  If players are uncomfortable with sharing a locker room with gay men, do their needs have to be accommodated with a separate locker room for themselves?  And if a team started doing it for their players, could the gay men sue for any reason?


not saying its a smart idea, or even legal.  But if someone was openly gay in the NFL and 90% of the team was cool with it, would you want to give a holes like culliver somewhere to go and ostracize them on their own accord?

Cut 'em.  If most of the players are ok with it, you are only looking at replacing a few homophobe players.  Tell them that they can either a) shut up and deal with the fact that gay people exist or b) find themselves suddenly unemployed.

I'm guessing the majority of the homophobe players would take a).


Well that's what we would do.  Depending on how good the player(s) are, thats not what NFL teams would do.
 
2013-02-27 10:02:24 AM

IAmRight: Yes, they're asking those questions specifically because the NFL locker room is so anti-gay. Not because the wife/girlfriend question brings up other issues - if you have a wife/committed girlfriend, then the team also wants to make arrangements to keep her happy with where she's going to be living for the next few years, if they're doing it right. Similarly, the last question could be to gauge a reaction - you could be weeding out people that are super-offended that you'd even ask.

But no, let's all immediately assume whatever fits in with our preconceived notions, like Mike Florio!

Then let's reprint the negative quote from one idiot football player and ignore how huge the backlash was against him, that several players and coaches within the team and throughout the NFL not only harshly criticized the comments, but have been in support of gay rights.


let's not pretend there isn't a significant segment of the nfl that homophobic.  after all, there are a lot of black and openly religious players in the league. do you want to guess the average position on gay marriage of a black church is (especially pre-obama saying shiat)?  i'll let the prop 8 exit polls answer that for you.

also, from what i've heard the it's not all the entire nfl is anti-gay, and there have been players who were open to some of their teammates/coaches (if not the public).  granted their partner was looked/acted just like one of their "boys" in public to conceal it.  but it's tarded that they are asking.  well, unless they are looking for the first player to come out because they realize what a marketing tool that could be.

it's not cool to even ask such things during a job interview

/here's where someone tells me i shouldn't make generalization about others who are making generalizations.
 
2013-02-27 10:04:40 AM
Cole Landry totes digs chicks:

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2013-02-27 10:11:59 AM

HMS_Blinkin: UNC_Samurai: "Sports is that last corner of society where 'There's no gay people, at all.'

Professional sports, maybe.  I was on a college team in undergrad and had a couple of openly gay teammates.  No one cared.


I'm curious as to what program.  I could imagine teams for smaller schools or those with higher academic standards can be that way.  I can also imagine the hyper-competitive atmosphere at the football factories might do the opposite.
 
2013-02-27 10:12:50 AM

A Fark Handle: it's not cool to even ask such things during a job interview


There are a lot of things that the NFL can do that you're not allowed to ask in a job interview.
 
2013-02-27 10:15:15 AM

IAmRight: A Fark Handle: it's not cool to even ask such things during a job interview

There are a lot of things that the NFL can do that you're not allowed to ask in a job interview.


for the record, if during an interview I was asked "how would you change your waggle route if you recognize that its cover 2" I would want to work for that company no matter what.
 
2013-02-27 10:16:09 AM

thecpt: for the record, if during an interview I was asked "how would you change your waggle route if you recognize that its cover 2" I would want to work for that company no matter what.


I'd like to run an office combine.
 
2013-02-27 10:18:02 AM

IAmRight: A Fark Handle: it's not cool to even ask such things during a job interview

There are a lot of things that the NFL can do that you're not allowed to ask in a job interview.


i realize they do, but it doesn't make it right.  just because the rich and powerful can be assholes, doesn't mean they should.
 
2013-02-27 10:18:45 AM
It's the NFL. If you're a linebacker who can run a 4.1 40 and bench-press 300 pounds 75 times you're getting drafted even if you took a break during the Wonderlic to dance shirtless in a cage with Ricky Martin at a Liza Minelli concert.
 
2013-02-27 10:18:48 AM
Give them the fingernail test. Oh, wait, that's for girls
 
2013-02-27 10:18:56 AM

UNC_Samurai: HMS_Blinkin: UNC_Samurai: "Sports is that last corner of society where 'There's no gay people, at all.'

Professional sports, maybe.  I was on a college team in undergrad and had a couple of openly gay teammates.  No one cared.

I'm curious as to what program.  I could imagine teams for smaller schools or those with higher academic standards can be that way.  I can also imagine the hyper-competitive atmosphere at the football factories might do the opposite.


Well, you are right about that.  Smaller school, high academic standards as well as highly-competitive athletically.  The sport was swimming, which might also make a difference.  I don't think it's the "hyper competitive" nature of football factories that engenders homophobia---all sports at the collegiate level are highly competitive.  I think it's the culture of the sport as a whole.

Football players have the unfortunate handicap of being coached by middle school and high school football coaches, who are (in my personal experience) almost ALL backwards-thinking retards.  I think the culture of the sport gets ingrained in these players when they're young, and it's challenging for those attitudes to get changed at higher levels of the sport.
 
2013-02-27 10:19:32 AM

Generation_D: Jumping jesus H, NFL, join the 21st century. You sound like a bunch of Republicans.

// NFL fan

// LOLzing at this whole ridiculous scenario. Teo ran a 4.8, there's reason enough right there to skip on drafting him.


The owners are a bunch of Republicans.
 
2013-02-27 10:20:17 AM

Mateorocks: Considering that every NFL team is about to make a handful of twentysomethings filthy stinking rich, I think they have a right to ask any damn question they want. Certainly more than one question is going to be related to team chemistry, which is what I think they are going for here.


They can't ask you or I that for an entry level office job, why should they be able to ask that at this specific job?  The amount of money is irrelevant.  It's called employment law, and sports leagues use every trick they can to dodge it.  In this case, it's being used to foster an environment of intolerance and homophobia.
 
2013-02-27 10:21:06 AM

IAmRight: thecpt: for the record, if during an interview I was asked "how would you change your waggle route if you recognize that its cover 2" I would want to work for that company no matter what.

I'd like to run an office combine.


i'm still waiting for an office linebacker

/you kill the jo', you make some mo'!
 
2013-02-27 10:22:01 AM

Swoop1809: If you can play, you can play.

Hockey has embraced this. It's your turn now NFL.


I think the embrace the NFL has given is only just shy of the NHL. Neither league has an openly gay player and there is still open discrimination by some players and "behind the scenes" discrimination by coaching and admin staff. There are fortunately a number of players and coaches who are open in their acceptance but a locker room is still a locker room. You grow up playing the game and if everyone on your team has that homophobic attitude you'll likely grow up to act they same even if you may not have cared. There are only a few people with the nerve to speak up about their acceptance or, rarely, their actual sexuality.

The wait for an "openly gay player" is the whole keystone to the problem. Without at star player who is openly gay the level of acceptance won't drastically increase. Instead there are likely a number of skilled, but not breakout talented, players who don't open up about their sexuality as it would forever reflect their career more than any accomplishments they may have. What's wanted is a superstar gay player who will forever change the lingering stigma. Unfortunately that won't be what happens. It's a steady growth over time and we're edging closer to true acceptance every year. It's surreal to look at how we might have talked about an openly gay player just 15-20 years ago versus the general acceptance (but abundance of attention) they'd receive today.
 
2013-02-27 10:24:27 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's the NFL. If you're a linebacker who can run a 4.1 40 and bench-press 300 pounds 75 times you're getting drafted even if you took a break during the Wonderlic to dance shirtless in a cage with Ricky Martin at a Liza Minelli concert.


I suspect I'd mostly likely put that "linebacker" in as my running back.  If he finds a hole in the D-Line... he's gone man.  He can already run faster than 90-95% of defensive backs and would likely blow them up if they got near him.  Hell, if you find yourself in man coverage, run him upfield, he'll have 2 or 3 steps on the linebacker covering him by the time he's 20 yards out in his pass route.
 
2013-02-27 10:26:51 AM
If a team really wants to know if you're going to have a negative impact on locker room chemistry, the question should not be "do you like girls" but "do you hate homosexuals". Or just cover all the bases and ask "are there any minority groups or specific religions you cannot tolerate, based on personal belief".

It is really disturbing to me that teams are willing to protect the ignorant under the ruse of "team chemistry".
 
2013-02-27 10:28:10 AM

Disaster Transport: If a team really wants to know if you're going to have a negative impact on locker room chemistry, the question should not be "do you like girls" but "do you hate homosexuals". Or just cover all the bases and ask "are there any minority groups or specific religions you cannot tolerate, based on personal belief".

It is really disturbing to me that teams are willing to protect the ignorant under the ruse of "team chemistry".


Well, to be fair, they might also be protecting the ignorance of the owner or coaching staff.
 
2013-02-27 10:28:39 AM

Disaster Transport: If a team really wants to know if you're going to have a negative impact on locker room chemistry, the question should not be "do you like girls" but "do you hate homosexuals". Or just cover all the bases and ask "are there any minority groups or specific religions you cannot tolerate, based on personal belief".


You don't want to ask questions where the answers are obvious and easy to coach. So really, that would be a much, much worse question.
 
2013-02-27 10:34:06 AM

IAmRight: Disaster Transport: If a team really wants to know if you're going to have a negative impact on locker room chemistry, the question should not be "do you like girls" but "do you hate homosexuals". Or just cover all the bases and ask "are there any minority groups or specific religions you cannot tolerate, based on personal belief".

You don't want to ask questions where the answers are obvious and easy to coach. So really, that would be a much, much worse question.


I would say the "correct" answer to both questions are easily coached.  However, when you ask someone if they like girls the implication is, "We ain't hirin' no gays!".  The implication with Disaster's question is, "You better check your prejudices at the door while you work for us."
 
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