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(AZCentral)   Utah lawmakers are considering a bill that would legalize marijuana. Just kidding. But they really may repeal a law that forbids restaurant employees from mixing drinks in front of the customers   (azcentral.com) divider line 26
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2013-02-27 09:30:20 AM  
This being Utah, "Mixing Drinks" means combining milk with Nestle Quick.
 
2013-02-27 09:33:19 AM  
If you like to drink, why the hell would you live in Utah? And if you have to live in Utah because of work, why would you work for a place that made you live in Utah?
 
2013-02-27 09:36:53 AM  
Judas Priest those people are backward.
 
2013-02-27 09:44:50 AM  

scottydoesntknow: If you like to drink, why the hell would you live in Utah?

 
2013-02-27 09:51:17 AM  

scottydoesntknow: If you like to drink, why the hell would you live in Utah? And if you have to live in Utah because of work, why would you work for a place that made you live in Utah?


You don't go to Utah to drink, you drink because you are in Utah
 
2013-02-27 10:35:32 AM  
as a utahr brewer.  i just look forward to the day that they put someone who actually drinks on the utah liquor commission.

/that day i'm told is coming
//the utahr legislature a bunch of utahrds
//don't get me started
 
2013-02-27 10:35:49 AM  
I lived in Ogden and I am not Mormon. Every trash pickup day my garbage would acquire additional empty beer cases and bottles from my Mormon neighbors who didn't want the garbagemen knowing they are dirty sinners.
 
2013-02-27 10:37:40 AM  
I wish Colorado would just invade...
Why yes I am stuck here.
 
2013-02-27 10:37:41 AM  

LarryDan43: I lived in Ogden and I am not Mormon. Every trash pickup day my garbage would acquire additional empty beer cases and bottles from my Mormon neighbors who didn't want the garbagemen knowing they are dirty sinners.


I believe this 100%.
 
2013-02-27 10:41:18 AM  

LarryDan43: I lived in Ogden and I am not Mormon. Every trash pickup day my garbage would acquire additional empty beer cases and bottles from my Mormon neighbors who didn't want the garbagemen knowing they are dirty sinners.


move to pc my friend.  we are less insane
 
2013-02-27 12:36:11 PM  

scottydoesntknow: why the hell would you live in Utah?


The skiing. It is an uphill battle defending my current home state, but the skiing is the best in the world. And it's gorgeous here. The mormons are famously and amusingly insincere and over-positive, but they're also friendly and non-intrusive.

Utah is a mecca for outdoor sports. I will not be happy if I have to leave.

And you can find meteorites on the salt flats.
 
2013-02-27 12:41:45 PM  

gayb: scottydoesntknow: why the hell would you live in Utah?

The skiing. It is an uphill battle defending my current home state, but the skiing is the best in the world. And it's gorgeous here. The mormons are famously and amusingly insincere and over-positive, but they're also friendly and non-intrusive.

Utah is a mecca for outdoor sports. I will not be happy if I have to leave.

And you can find meteorites on the salt flats.


I figured the scenery would be the only real reason to live there, it's why I prefaced it with "If you like to drink". I've driven through Utah, it's gorgeous, but no way could I take all the teetotalers there.
 
2013-02-27 12:57:11 PM  

scottydoesntknow: gayb: scottydoesntknow: why the hell would you live in Utah?

The skiing. It is an uphill battle defending my current home state, but the skiing is the best in the world. And it's gorgeous here. The mormons are famously and amusingly insincere and over-positive, but they're also friendly and non-intrusive.

Utah is a mecca for outdoor sports. I will not be happy if I have to leave.

And you can find meteorites on the salt flats.

I figured the scenery would be the only real reason to live there, it's why I prefaced it with "If you like to drink". I've driven through Utah, it's gorgeous, but no way could I take all the teetotalers there.


Yeah, I kind of stopping drinking after living here awhile. It's not as easy to get f*cked up. The government liquor stores are insulting. And I hate to say it, but the micros here, while boasting ABV levels of around 9%, aren't great tasting. Oregon beer is much, much better.
 
2013-02-27 01:36:20 PM  
This story has it completely farked around...

We had the Zion Curtains until about 2009, then they "went away". Much celebrating was heard, nobody read the law.

The law stated that any  restaurant built in 2010 or later had to have a SEPARATE ROOM(Or a 10 foot wall, same thing) for cocktail mixing. No more just putting up some frosted glass, but an entirely separate room. Then it was discovered that there were MORE people who didn't read about the law. There was no exclusion for beer pouring, meaning that even if your restaurant just serves beer, you have to add on the extra room.

The only plus side to this was the fact that all pre-2010 restaurants were grandfathered in to not needing a Zion Curtain, or a separate room(So they got to remove theirs). Local places like Iggy's(Probably the best laid-out sports bar I've ever seen) and Porcupine Grill(Great quality food with a craft- and micr- brew focus) stated that their next locations would be out of state, because adding on an entirely separate room to thier plans could run as much as an extra $50 Grand. Porcupine has their bar off to one side at the entry, but Iggy's is directly in the center of the place, and I can see them having to do a lot to make this fit their business model.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52477959-78/beer-restaurants-parti ti ons-utah.html.csp

The one thing the article got right was that the whole reasoning is REALLY that kids would see drinks mixed in pretty bottles and using mixers with pretty colors and grow up to be alcoholics.  I... SHIAT... YOU... NOT...


Valentine said he would consider supporting the proposal if the state promised trade-offs such as bulking up police presence around restaurants and nearby roads, or a measure keeping children from entering restaurants serving liquor.

Valentine is a retarded, clueless douchebag...

It's not the MOST retarded drinking law in Utah, but it's up there...
 
2013-02-27 01:38:35 PM  

gayb: Yeah, I kind of stopping drinking after living here awhile. It's not as easy to get f*cked up. The government liquor stores are insulting. And I hate to say it, but the micros here, while boasting ABV levels of around 9%, aren't great tasting. Oregon beer is much, much better.


Epic, Unita and Squatter's aren't good enough? Those are great micros, and I've been a Beer Snob as long as I've been old enough to drink, thinking that once I didn't have to convince someone to break the law, I should start expanding my tastes.

The 85% markup in the liquor store, coupled with the refusal to refrigerate the beer is a total crock of shiat, though. I usually go to the Co-Op Beer Store, or buy a growler at the brewery.
 
2013-02-27 01:41:00 PM  

warthogbrewingco: as a utahr brewer.  i just look forward to the day that they put someone who actually drinks on the utah liquor commission.

/that day i'm told is coming
//the utahr legislature a bunch of utahrds
//don't get me started


It pisses me off that people campaign for DABC purely on a teetotaler platform.
 
2013-02-27 01:44:12 PM  

gayb: The mormons are famously and amusingly insincere and over-positive, but they're also friendly and non-intrusive.


They make great neighbors, they will come introduce themselves when you move in, they will keep an eye on your house while you're gone, I even had neighbors who gave the entire neighborhood gift baskets every Christmas. Part of why I moved here, knowing the risks, was that I knew these were the kinds of neighbors that I wanted around my kids.

Also, Phoenix is WAY too farking hot.

/Still don't regret moving here.
//And no, never had a neighbor stick their nose into my bid'ness...
 
2013-02-27 02:20:10 PM  

Mikey1969: Epic, Unita and Squatter's aren't good enough?


Different tastes, I guess. I do like Unita's selection. At least they're trying.

I don't regret moving here, except for the Wahsatch Front pollution. HATE that. But (BRAG ALERT) I'm a 100-day skier, so most of the bad inversion days are more or less avoided.
 
2013-02-27 02:23:43 PM  
so let me tell you a little something about microbreweries in utah.  in my opinion, the micros here do a fantastic job (if i do way so myself) given the constraints imposed by the legislature.  if i remember correctly 2 years ago, a law was passed that allowed micros to sell beer brewed on premises without having to sell it to DABC, and then buy it back (yes, that was a law).  this (intentionally or unintentionally) allowed the direct sales of 'heavy beer'; beer with a greater than 3.2% abw (4% abv).  some guys (i'm talking to you jason) went nutz and started creating hopped molotov cocktails.  9+%abv with enough hops to turn your face inside out.  but for the most part the beer coming out of wasatch, squatters, redrock, desert edge, epic, shades of pale, etc etc. are a great response to utah's goofy laws (and maybe, just maybe, someday we'll get kegs)
 
2013-02-27 02:23:54 PM  
Here's more details on the hijinks, and a better story that seems to original of the one posted here(I hope AP at least credited the SLTribune author):

Zion curtains have long been a part of Utah restaurants - coming down only briefly in 2009 when lawmakers did away with partitions in existing restaurants. The barriers, however, went back up again in 2010 as part of a compromise after lawmakers lifted a mandate requiring bars to operate as members-only social clubs.

Existing restaurants were exempt - except in situations where they move to another location.

The brief period when Zion curtains were torn down came about because earlier statutes were so convoluted that liquor commissioners overseeing the Utah Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control said the laws had become impossible to enforce. Part of the problem was that the barriers at that time were small, often built atop restaurant

counters, resulting in confusing regulations.


For instance, bartenders were forbidden to hand anything over the counter-top barriers - including a glass of water, a plate of food, a napkin or even a bill. Either the bartender had to walk around the counter or hand the items to a server who made the trek around the barrier.


Lawmakers did away with the confusion by requiring restaurants to mix drinks in back rooms or erect barriers so large that the cordoned-off area was completely out of public view.



That requirement meant that Montage Deer Valley, for example, was able to get a liquor license in 2010 only after assurances that the Park City resort would have enough barriers so that diners at one of its restaurants would not see a bar in an adjoining room.


The question with the Montage was its dining room, which was adjacent to a bar. Compliance officers said diners in the far corner of the Montage restaurant could see into the adjoining club, even though columns obstructed most of the view, and the bar itself was about 300 feet away from the restaurant.


The resort in turn, installed planters to further obstruct the view.


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/55906885-79/utah-barriers-restau ran ts-liquor.html.csp

THIS is what happens when people with no idea what they are doing start dictating the laws. It's the same thing in the whole women's health debate and the gun debate. Utah's just a good example of this type of crap in action...
 
2013-02-27 02:27:41 PM  

gayb: Mikey1969: Epic, Unita and Squatter's aren't good enough?

Different tastes, I guess. I do like Unita's selection. At least they're trying.

I don't regret moving here, except for the Wahsatch Front pollution. HATE that. But (BRAG ALERT) I'm a 100-day skier, so most of the bad inversion days are more or less avoided.


The joys of living in a bowl... Between the Oqurihh's, the Wasatch range, Point of the Mountain, and whatever the equivalent is in the norht, all it takes is a high pressure system to lock it in. In Phoenix, the inversion hardly ever got this bad, but it also could last 2-3 months. At most here, we get 2 dyas before something moves in and clears it out at least some. Horrible stuff, that's for sure.

Still kicking myself that I've been here 6 years and haven't taken up skiing again. Got too expensive, and the last time I went was Snowbowl in Arizona back in about '95 or so.
 
2013-02-27 02:32:24 PM  

warthogbrewingco: so let me tell you a little something about microbreweries in utah.  in my opinion, the micros here do a fantastic job (if i do way so myself) given the constraints imposed by the legislature.  if i remember correctly 2 years ago, a law was passed that allowed micros to sell beer brewed on premises without having to sell it to DABC, and then buy it back (yes, that was a law).  this (intentionally or unintentionally) allowed the direct sales of 'heavy beer'; beer with a greater than 3.2% abw (4% abv).  some guys (i'm talking to you jason) went nutz and started creating hopped molotov cocktails.  9+%abv with enough hops to turn your face inside out.  but for the most part the beer coming out of wasatch, squatters, redrock, desert edge, epic, shades of pale, etc etc. are a great response to utah's goofy laws (and maybe, just maybe, someday we'll get kegs)


They still can't sell it on draft though, right? They still have to go through that idiotic "only in a bottle" bullshiat? I've been drinking Squatter's IPA since I got here, I'd be interested to see if the price went down, because I hadn't heard about this new law. I DID know that they had to sell it to DABC though.

But weird stuff isn't ONLY in Utah. I worked at a microbrewery in Phx, with one uptown and one downtown location. The downtown brewery never went in, and when we carried our own beer from the uptown location, we were informed that we had been breaking the law by driving it down ourselves. We had to pay a distributor to pick it up from our brewery and drive it to our other location...

Difference between Utah and Az? We got a friendly warning from a liquor board official, nothing more. We changed our system, got a good deal on the distribution, and all was good. Here? It could have been a 90-day license suspension and driven the place out of business.
 
2013-02-27 02:41:28 PM  
no :-( no 'heavy beer' on tap.  i don't see this one ending anytime soon.
 
2013-02-27 03:10:55 PM  

warthogbrewingco: no :-( no 'heavy beer' on tap.  i don't see this one ending anytime soon.


But I just bough a Unita 25 oz. 9.5% IPA this weekend with no problem at dinner... One more rule that not only makes no sense, but has nothing more than a punishment-for-drinking factor to it.
 
2013-02-27 05:08:42 PM  
As a citizen concerned about my health, the environment, and social justice, I demand the right to see my wine prepared sustainably from locally grown, organic grapes stomped by workers who are paid a living wage and have affordable health insurance.

As a drinker, I don't give a fark about anything except how fast it gets here.
 
2013-02-27 08:26:18 PM  
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