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2013-02-26 11:09:59 PM  
Old link, but upvoting for the awesome pictures and captions.  Nice find, subby!
 
2013-02-26 11:20:04 PM  
Hadn't seen a lot of those.
Nice find, indeed.
 
2013-02-26 11:49:57 PM  
cdn.theatlantic.com

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-02-26 11:52:42 PM  
The Japanese holdout's story is amazing.
 
2013-02-26 11:55:47 PM  
GIS for Brandenburg Gate pulls up some gems:

media-cdn.tripadvisor.com

4.bp.blogspot.com

budgettraveller.org
 
2013-02-26 11:58:21 PM  

violentsalvation: The Japanese holdout's story is amazing.


*goes to read that entry*

Holy. Fark.
 
2013-02-27 12:03:10 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: violentsalvation: The Japanese holdout's story is amazing.

*goes to read that entry*

Holy. Fark.


There were a whole bunch of them I wonder how many that we never even knew about survived alone on some island thinking the war never ended.
 
2013-02-27 12:09:13 AM  
My grandfather secretly took some pictures of Nagasaki two days after the bombing from a military surveillance plane.  I have been trying to decide what to do with those pics.....
 
2013-02-27 12:36:25 AM  
#16 may be the most interesting of the bunch.  I would sure like to hear that GI's story.
 
2013-02-27 12:41:34 AM  

Frederick: My grandfather secretly took some pictures of Nagasaki two days after the bombing from a military surveillance plane.  I have been trying to decide what to do with those pics.....


Would they be considered "classified" or still secret?
 
2013-02-27 12:44:29 AM  
one of my grandfathers helped liberate belsen and after that they quit taking german pow's

of course, great-great grandpa died in berlin fighting those horrible awful evil soviets so, you know, so it goes
 
2013-02-27 01:01:58 AM  
1974. And Ferdinand Marcos pardoned him. Who'da thunk?
 
2013-02-27 01:02:58 AM  

Elvis_Bogart: Frederick: My grandfather secretly took some pictures of Nagasaki two days after the bombing from a military surveillance plane.  I have been trying to decide what to do with those pics.....

Would they be considered "classified" or still secret?


It was a secret to his superiors -not authorized.  I kind of worry he could posthumously be disciplined for them.  He was highly honored and I wouldnt want that jeopardized.  But they are incredible pictures of the devastation.
 
2013-02-27 01:56:46 AM  

Frederick: Elvis_Bogart: Frederick: My grandfather secretly took some pictures of Nagasaki two days after the bombing from a military surveillance plane.  I have been trying to decide what to do with those pics.....

Would they be considered "classified" or still secret?

It was a secret to his superiors -not authorized.  I kind of worry he could posthumously be disciplined for them.  He was highly honored and I wouldnt want that jeopardized.  But they are incredible pictures of the devastation.


Contact the PR office of the branch he served with and ask them.  You could do it from an anonymous hotmail account if you are concerned about even asking the question.  While I am sure he is safe, it never hurts to get permission in writing from an officer.
 
2013-02-27 02:39:19 AM  
Something I was wondering recently:

If we were to take all the documentaries and movies and miniseries made about WWII and added together the running times, do you think they would be longer than the actual war?
 
2013-02-27 02:43:21 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: GIS for Brandenburg Gate pulls up some gems:

[media-cdn.tripadvisor.com image 550x366]

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 800x600]

[budgettraveller.org image 600x480]


Oh god. I lived in Berlin for a while, and even at the height of tourist season there were usually only the soldiers there for photo ops, and the plaza was just tourists.

I went back last year and holy shiat, Mickey Mouse, painted army men. Oh, and Native Americans? Mickey Skywalker:
sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2013-02-27 02:58:43 AM  

Frederick: Elvis_Bogart: Frederick: My grandfather secretly took some pictures of Nagasaki two days after the bombing from a military surveillance plane.  I have been trying to decide what to do with those pics.....

Would they be considered "classified" or still secret?

It was a secret to his superiors -not authorized.  I kind of worry he could posthumously be disciplined for them.  He was highly honored and I wouldnt want that jeopardized.  But they are incredible pictures of the devastation.


I'd contact the Library of Congress and/or the Smithsonian.  The photos are an important historical record that should be preserved and made available.

Do you really think they'd posthumously discipline a vet?  That would be a PR nightmare.  It won't happen.

CSB:  Some years back, I was doing document review in a state's archives.  In one of the boxes, I turned up an original copy of the Thirteenth Amendment that had been sent to that state for ratification.  Original signature from Seward, too.

Holy crap.

It got passed around my team for a few minutes so we could all say that we had held and read it.

Then I took it to the director of the archives and told him what it was.  Eyes went wide.  It ended up in their special collection with climate control and futzy treatment.  Am still proud that it got the treatment it deserved while still in excellent condition.

Do the same with your photos.  They deserve it.
 
2013-02-27 04:05:50 AM  

L.D. Ablo: Frederick: Elvis_Bogart: Frederick: My grandfather secretly took some pictures of Nagasaki two days after the bombing from a military surveillance plane.  I have been trying to decide what to do with those pics.....

Would they be considered "classified" or still secret?

It was a secret to his superiors -not authorized.  I kind of worry he could posthumously be disciplined for them.  He was highly honored and I wouldnt want that jeopardized.  But they are incredible pictures of the devastation.

I'd contact the Library of Congress and/or the Smithsonian.  The photos are an important historical record that should be preserved and made available.

Do you really think they'd posthumously discipline a vet?  That would be a PR nightmare.  It won't happen.



My father never made the pictures public because he suspects there may be something sensitive in the photos.  There is a reason my grandfather took the pics, and it wasnt purely out of curiosity or novelty.

An anonymous donation to the Smithsonian is an option I hadnt considered -thanks.
 
2013-02-27 04:12:47 AM  
One photograph from the immediate aftermath of WW2 I'll remember for a long time was of a young girl looking over what was left of the Warsaw Ghetto. I'd read stories about how the Germans had leveled it after the Warsaw Uprising but it was still a shock to see what they'd done. It was nothing but rubble. God only knows how many dead were lying underneath all that.
 
2013-02-27 04:23:23 AM  
So those guys holed up in the Philippines running guerrilla attacks against the Filipino citizenry, where did they get their ammunition and weapons from?
 
2013-02-27 04:52:22 AM  
At least you can see Kim Il Sung is definitely Kim Jong Un's Grandpappy.

Whenever I see pictures of Nazis at the end of the war, especially concentration camps, it really fills me with anger at the things they did. Some you can see shame in their eyes, some a steely determination to never admit wrong. They know what they did.
 
2013-02-27 05:09:55 AM  
Call of Duty is getting another sequel?
 
2013-02-27 05:17:30 AM  

violentsalvation: The Japanese holdout's story is amazing.


I learned all about that from an episode of The Six Million Dollar Man.  And they say television doesn't teach you anything.
 
2013-02-27 05:23:25 AM  
Averageamericanguy....... Many Japanese withdrew deeper into islands in many south east asian countries. Be it in platoons or 4 or 5 guys. They managed to keep their weapons and took heaps of ammo. When one finally gave up in the 1970s he was the last of 5 or 6 guys. Found with his uniform in tatters but his rifle in perfect working order and crated of ammunition and grenades in working order. ( My phone sucks for farking, excuse the errors that grammar nazis eyegasm at.)
 
2013-02-27 05:26:28 AM  
I don't think that most people (including myself and I'm 54) has any idea what that generation went through on both sides.  This is one reason I do and will always respect old people.  It wasn't just a military war like all of them have been since.  It was one that everyone was involved in and did withiout. 

God bless them all.
 
2013-02-27 05:30:36 AM  
Great, link Subby.  Thanks
 
2013-02-27 05:32:55 AM  
You know who else liked looking at pictures of WWII?
 
2013-02-27 05:33:03 AM  
The picture of the woman cleaning up rubble by the Kaiser Wilhelm Church made me go on google street view to look at Tauentzienstrasse today. What a difference.

I lived in a part of Germany that didn't get much damage during the war and in any case would have long since been cleaned up by the time I was there in the mid-sixties as a little child, but still it's amazing to me to see in these old pictures the kind of damage that was done to the country.

I'm always amazed, too, that such a beautiful, civilized country full of beautiful, civilized people could ever have been involved in something so horrible the entire world had to get together and stop it.
 
2013-02-27 05:33:35 AM  

Slaxl: At least you can see Kim Il Sung is definitely Kim Jong Un's Grandpappy.


Or rather, Kim Il Sung's photo shopper is the granddaddy of Kim Jong Un's photo shopper.

/seriously, that photo cries "I'm shopped"
 
2013-02-27 05:35:01 AM  

Litterbox: Great, link Subby.  Thanks


someone submitted it 440 plus days ago with a better headline. i didn't know it was old. also, two green lights in a day? are my stars blessed by cthulhu or will I get run over by a truck today?
 
2013-02-27 05:35:02 AM  
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2013-02-27 05:40:01 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: So those guys holed up in the Philippines running guerrilla attacks against the Filipino citizenry, where did they get their ammunition and weapons from?


Do all guerrilla attacks require ammunition and weapons? And besides, the caption says he still had hand grenades with him. If he was initially dropped off with a few crates of them, well, that would be enough for one big show per six months.

And are guerrilla fighters allowed to steal materials?
 
2013-02-27 05:52:16 AM  
Some of those Japanese tried and sentenced to severe war-crime punishments were convicted of waterboarding.

My, how times have changed.  Maybe we should pardon them.
 
2013-02-27 06:02:00 AM  

traylor: Slaxl: At least you can see Kim Il Sung is definitely Kim Jong Un's Grandpappy.

Or rather, Kim Il Sung's photo shopper is the granddaddy of Kim Jong Un's photo shopper.

/seriously, that photo cries "I'm shopped"


Overexposed, sure. Back then, you had to manually select things like exposure length and f-stop. Retouched? I doubt it.

The family resemblance is funny though.
 
2013-02-27 06:04:07 AM  

cptjeff: traylor: Slaxl: At least you can see Kim Il Sung is definitely Kim Jong Un's Grandpappy.

Or rather, Kim Il Sung's photo shopper is the granddaddy of Kim Jong Un's photo shopper.

/seriously, that photo cries "I'm shopped"

Overexposed, sure. Back then, you had to manually select things like exposure length and f-stop. Retouched? I doubt it.

The family resemblance is funny though.


Puddin babbies!
 
2013-02-27 06:23:11 AM  

cptjeff: traylor: Slaxl: At least you can see Kim Il Sung is definitely Kim Jong Un's Grandpappy.

Or rather, Kim Il Sung's photo shopper is the granddaddy of Kim Jong Un's photo shopper.

/seriously, that photo cries "I'm shopped"

Overexposed, sure. Back then, you had to manually select things like exposure length and f-stop. Retouched? I doubt it.

The family resemblance is funny though.


you mean the rather 'well fed' look
 
2013-02-27 06:25:54 AM  
Are you sure that's Europe? I see a bunch of white people
 
2013-02-27 06:49:43 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: violentsalvation: The Japanese holdout's story is amazing.

*goes to read that entry*

Holy. Fark.


He wrote a book.

http://www.pacificwrecks.com/reviews/thirty.html

It is a good book.
 
2013-02-27 06:49:50 AM  
Note for myself: Never read comments under the article.
 
2013-02-27 06:50:02 AM  
My great-uncle Tony was one of the guards at Nuremberg - there's a large picture (similar to #10) hanging in my great aunts living room.

/short CSB i know...
 
2013-02-27 07:37:40 AM  
He chose poorly.


cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2013-02-27 07:40:42 AM  

Fizpez: My great-uncle Tony was one of the guards at Nuremberg - there's a large picture (similar to #10) hanging in my great aunts living room.

/short CSB i know...


Before or after the allies got there?
 
2013-02-27 07:59:58 AM  
My great uncle died at Auschwitz.

He got drunk and fell out of the guard tower
 
2013-02-27 08:00:44 AM  

violentsalvation: The Japanese holdout's story is amazing.


The dude with the mini sub on Gilligan's Island?
 
2013-02-27 08:08:16 AM  

Mentat: #16 may be the most interesting of the bunch.  I would sure like to hear that GI's story.


It's a blurry story..
 
2013-02-27 08:15:26 AM  
cdn.theatlantic.com

Looks like the captain has a smart phone. "Siri, will this cardboard standee of Anton Dostler fool people?"

No sir, It looks clearly photoshopped.

"I have no idea what you said, Siri."

I mean it won't work. In 2013, some a-hole will discover the ruse and find out Anton lived and became Marlon Brando.

"Shoot.... I mean hold yer fire!"
 
2013-02-27 08:28:37 AM  
Neutralizing Germany and Japan's military power forced them to become economic powers instead.

Meanwhile, here in the US, we kept our military overpowered, and gave the civilians suburbs and teevee.
 
2013-02-27 08:32:56 AM  

y0sh1: He chose poorly.


[cdn.theatlantic.com image 850x645]


If you note the guys patch, he's 101st Airborne.  In Ambrose's "Band of Brothers", they were the guys who took Berschesgarden at the end of the war.  Be interesting to know if he's named in the book.
 
2013-02-27 08:49:05 AM  
I wonder how things would have played out had the Japanese not attacked Pearl Harbor, leaving America to continue its isolationaism.
 
2013-02-27 08:50:33 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 850x556]

Looks like the captain has a smart phone. "Siri, will this cardboard standee of Anton Dostler fool people?"

No sir, It looks clearly photoshopped.

"I have no idea what you said, Siri."

I mean it won't work. In 2013, some a-hole will discover the ruse and find out Anton lived and became Marlon Brando.

"Shoot.... I mean hold yer fire!"


Want to really blow your mind(no pun intended)?

I went to wikipedia, and they have before and after photos

And  this.

never thought I would see a snuff vid on youtube
 
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