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2013-02-27 08:01:52 AM  

Mitrovarr: The research excuse for the whaling is kind of hilarious. As a biologist, let me say you would never in a million years get a study like that past an ethics board. Large animal research is never conducted by killing the animals in significant numbers. Not even when the animals are abundant.


What if they're coming right at you?
 
2013-02-27 08:05:10 AM  

Slartibartfaster: sycraft: You can argue all you like about the moral standard, but the Sea Shepard people really have no legal standing. Park a small boat in the way of a big boat, you go squish.

What do you propose they do ? if a law is being abused.
Prepare a sternly written letter ?


Exactly what they're doing, sue the hippies.
 
2013-02-27 08:06:35 AM  

Digipr0f69: Draq: Digipr0f69:
50% of Japans catch is the result of Aquafarming. Japan is actively trying to farm raise blue fin.
http://web-japan.org/nipponia/nipponia21/en/feature/feature10.html

That's probably because of the time they got penalized for taking in over fifty times their allowed bluefin quota.

Do you have a citation for that?


I do, actually. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/oct/17/fishing.food
 
2013-02-27 08:07:52 AM  

Draq: bakarocket: Slartibartfaster: ThunderPelvis: There are plenty of Minke whales left, too.

Are you seriously comparing the wild population on Minke to farmed pigs ?
Intellectual honesty is not something you are familiar with ?

Okay, let's compare them to deer.

That better?

Yes much better. You're of course aware of the period in the 1920s where deer nearly went extinct and deer hunting was banned nationwide, right?


Really?  Google's giving me nada...got a link?

Sounds interesting.
 
2013-02-27 08:12:14 AM  

PunGent: Draq: bakarocket: Slartibartfaster: ThunderPelvis: There are plenty of Minke whales left, too.

Are you seriously comparing the wild population on Minke to farmed pigs ?
Intellectual honesty is not something you are familiar with ?

Okay, let's compare them to deer.

That better?

Yes much better. You're of course aware of the period in the 1920s where deer nearly went extinct and deer hunting was banned nationwide, right?

Really?  Google's giving me nada...got a link?

Sounds interesting.


http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/3359.htm I'm sure there are better sources, but white tail deer are really a success story for conservation efforts. That's why we've still got deer quotas.
 
2013-02-27 08:12:15 AM  

RealFarknMcCoy2: Mid_mo_mad_man: The hippies are not in Australian waters. All countries gave up thier Antarctic claims so that none can exploit its minerals etc. When the a$&holes touch the Japanese ships and step on them that's illegal boarding. An armed response is warranted then. Btw if the Aussies are harboring these pirates then the Japanese can enter any port they are sailing out of and sink the ships.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. None.




On what part? 12 miles is the limit of national waters. The Aussies have no more claim to those waters then Canada. As for hunting pirates if your ports harbor them tradition allows navies to chase them to thier ports
 
2013-02-27 08:12:56 AM  

bikkurikun: Draq:

Sea Shepherds may have a history of lying, but Japan has a history of violating international treaties, quotas, and maritime law. They just do not care.

A loophole is not a violation. Again, they are not violating any treaty, nor maritime law. Just because you want them to stop for whatever reason, does not make what they do illegal.

 They are using the loophole to continue hunting since the IWC is hijacked by ennvironmental activists and unable to do what it is supposed to do, which is regulating hunting. If the IWC sets reasonable quotas for species that are not endangered, I am sure Japan will not mind if the loopholes are closed


Marine biologists are still trying to figure out the effects of mass whaling from the LAST century, so I think a teensy bit of caution is in order...since, you know, the ocean is kind of important to those of us who breathe oxygen...

Dilemma of the Commons ftl.
 
2013-02-27 08:15:22 AM  

Draq: PunGent: Draq: bakarocket: Slartibartfaster: ThunderPelvis: There are plenty of Minke whales left, too.

Are you seriously comparing the wild population on Minke to farmed pigs ?
Intellectual honesty is not something you are familiar with ?

Okay, let's compare them to deer.

That better?

Yes much better. You're of course aware of the period in the 1920s where deer nearly went extinct and deer hunting was banned nationwide, right?

Really?  Google's giving me nada...got a link?

Sounds interesting.

http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/3359.htm I'm sure there are better sources, but white tail deer are really a success story for conservation efforts. That's why we've still got deer quotas.


Ah, OK, just Indiana, not nationwide.   Thanks for the link.

/Wishes our ancestors had saved us some carrier pigeons...might've been tasty.
//favors sustainable hunting and fishing
 
2013-02-27 08:16:07 AM  

Draq: The ICW ruled it, and Japan is party to the ICW's rules. That's why they disputed it instead of simply ignoring it. And their "research" is a joke, there is no reason whatsoever to be killing the volume of whales that they are, or any whales at all, especially when they claim it's to research their population trends and impact on fishing. Normally you'd need them alive for that.

Sea Shepherds may have a history of lying, but Japan has a history of violating international treaties, quotas, and maritime law. They just do not care


I have seen nothing that showed an ICW body decided that their "research" permit doesn;t apply.

I agree their "research" is a joke (and I think I have made it clear, witht he quotes and actually pointing that out in othe rposts), but it is technically legal.

Japan has a history of violating the spirit, I don't see any proof they violated the letter.

/not sayinmg that makes it right but it does make it legal.
 
2013-02-27 08:18:39 AM  

PunGent: .since, you know, the ocean is kind of important to those of us who breathe oxygen...


Whales are using up OUR oxygen!!! Kill 'em all I say, more for us.
 
2013-02-27 08:18:46 AM  

PunGent: bikkurikun:

Marine biologists are still trying to figure out the effects of mass whaling from the LAST century, so I think a teensy bit of caution is in order...since, you know, the ocean is kind of important to those of us who breathe oxygen...

Dilemma of the Commons ftl.


There are about half a million Minke Whales. Catching a few hundreds every year will not do any real harm to the population.
 
2013-02-27 08:21:24 AM  
It is time the courts state that the Sea Shepherd  clowns are pirates.... which is exactly what they are.

It is long overdue for the Japanese to send an escort warship to the Antarctic, board the Sea Shepherd  ships, and take these pirates to Japan and place them on trial... with appropriate long prison sentences.
 
2013-02-27 08:22:39 AM  

Draq: Digipr0f69: Draq: Digipr0f69:
50% of Japans catch is the result of Aquafarming. Japan is actively trying to farm raise blue fin.
http://web-japan.org/nipponia/nipponia21/en/feature/feature10.html

That's probably because of the time they got penalized for taking in over fifty times their allowed bluefin quota.

Do you have a citation for that?

I do, actually. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/oct/17/fishing.food


Thanks. I found this interesting:
Japan and Australia, whose annual quota stayed at just over 5,200 tonnes, account for about 80% of the global southern bluefin tuna catch, most of which ends up as sashimi or sushi.
Yet Australia used retail sales of blue fin in Japan as evidence of over fishing despite exporting blue fin to Japan.
But Japan did agree to cut it's quota.
 
2013-02-27 08:24:49 AM  
This thread is incomplete without a link to the South PArk "Whale Whores" episode.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s13e11-whale-whores
 
2013-02-27 08:39:45 AM  

Aulus: So, is this leading to getting to see Hayden Panettiere in a sexy pirate costume?  Please?


I don't know how you got to this conclusion, but I like it!
 
2013-02-27 08:43:41 AM  
Protestors are pirates and whalers are poachers.

/sink them all and let Davy Jones sort it out.
/Our navy needs the target practice.
 
2013-02-27 08:51:15 AM  

DerpHerder: I like all the people saying they got rammed from behind.

Anyways if you cross my ships course and damage my ships propulsion over and over again you better expect me to fight back. These people purposely put themselves (young volunteers not the leaders) in harmsway. They have repeatedly unlawfully board (piracy) a ship flying the flag of Japan a violation of international law. Please tell me how pulling a ship into the course of another and not giving way is the fault of the ship maintaining course? You were attempting to alter the ships course and got hit. Its like someone slamming on the brakes in an insurance scam. Seems like pirates like piracy.


Well the ship they're harassing is breaking international maritime law
 
2013-02-27 08:54:25 AM  

Slartibartfaster: ThunderPelvis: primarily

This is the word that I object to

exclusively would be fine


Well, by that impenetrable moral standard, I'm sure all your hamburger is exclusively beef! Chow down, my good man!
 
2013-02-27 08:55:39 AM  

Girion47: DerpHerder: I like all the people saying they got rammed from behind.

Anyways if you cross my ships course and damage my ships propulsion over and over again you better expect me to fight back. These people purposely put themselves (young volunteers not the leaders) in harmsway. They have repeatedly unlawfully board (piracy) a ship flying the flag of Japan a violation of international law. Please tell me how pulling a ship into the course of another and not giving way is the fault of the ship maintaining course? You were attempting to alter the ships course and got hit. Its like someone slamming on the brakes in an insurance scam. Seems like pirates like piracy.

Well the ship they're harassing is breaking international maritime law


[citation needed]
 
2013-02-27 09:13:09 AM  

PunGent: Draq: PunGent: Draq: bakarocket: Slartibartfaster: ThunderPelvis: There are plenty of Minke whales left, too.

Are you seriously comparing the wild population on Minke to farmed pigs ?
Intellectual honesty is not something you are familiar with ?

Okay, let's compare them to deer.

That better?

Yes much better. You're of course aware of the period in the 1920s where deer nearly went extinct and deer hunting was banned nationwide, right?

Really?  Google's giving me nada...got a link?

Sounds interesting.

http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/3359.htm I'm sure there are better sources, but white tail deer are really a success story for conservation efforts. That's why we've still got deer quotas.

Ah, OK, just Indiana, not nationwide.   Thanks for the link.

/Wishes our ancestors had saved us some carrier pigeons...might've been tasty.
//favors sustainable hunting and fishing


and now white tail deer are are greatly over-populated and kill hundreds of people each year in collusions on the roadways.

Thanks for nothing government.
 
2013-02-27 09:18:02 AM  

President Merkin Muffley: notn: yeah, somehow I doubt this is going to stop the Sea Shepard's from doing what their doing.


It's "they're", actually.  The contraction for "they are".

If you're going to be a Word Selection Nazi, at least know your shiat.

And since you decided to publicly correct notn's work...albeit erroneously...you could have cleaned up the unnecessary apostrophe while you were at it.  Then at least you'd have been half right.
 
2013-02-27 09:40:37 AM  

jtown: While I think that group exploits young people, putting them in absurdly dangerous situations with little or no training, I don't see what a United States court has to say about it.  They're not using US-flagged ships and they're not doing these things in US waters or targeting US-flagged ships.  If Japan has a problem, let Japan deal with it.  If Australia has a problem, let Australia take care of it.  If one of their ship's flag nations has a problem, let them deal with it.  None of those countries needs the US to step in.


They're US citizens.  As a US citizen you are subject to US law regardless of whether you're in Tulsa, OK, Outer Mongolia, or visiting Saturn.
 
2013-02-27 09:43:48 AM  

PunGent: Draq: PunGent: Draq: bakarocket: Slartibartfaster: ThunderPelvis: There are plenty of Minke whales left, too.

Are you seriously comparing the wild population on Minke to farmed pigs ?
Intellectual honesty is not something you are familiar with ?

Okay, let's compare them to deer.

That better?

Yes much better. You're of course aware of the period in the 1920s where deer nearly went extinct and deer hunting was banned nationwide, right?

Really?  Google's giving me nada...got a link?

Sounds interesting.

http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/3359.htm I'm sure there are better sources, but white tail deer are really a success story for conservation efforts. That's why we've still got deer quotas.

Ah, OK, just Indiana, not nationwide.   Thanks for the link.

/Wishes our ancestors had saved us some carrier pigeons...might've been tasty.
//favors sustainable hunting and fishing


It was nation-wide:
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wildlife_damage/nwrc/publications/03pubs/v er c033.pdf

Look at this graph from that paper:

i51.tinypic.com

That should say it all.
 
2013-02-27 09:59:38 AM  
RealFarknMcCoy2:

You sound like you are spouting talking points in all your posts....


 US sent a warship into Australian waters without invitation, that's an act of war against Australia
Entering
  Australian waters with an armed ship

Yeah not so much unless this is within 12nm of Australian coast.

Also you don't always have to be such a farkin dick, kinda makes it seem like you are compensating for something and your valid points get lost in the chaff.
 
2013-02-27 10:18:48 AM  

liam76: I am generally against (asided from light whaling of non endangered species), but anyone with half a brain who has even seen their show (much less researched them) knows that sea shepard and his ilk do routinely break maritime laws and have aboslutely no problem lying.


But do go out there, put their arses on the line and stop the Japanese from whaling. The Japanese fleet only caught 10 whales this season and had to call off the hunt after the controversial "ramming" incidents. And if you've noticed, Sea Sheppard now has more money, more ships and more support than ever, so despite their douchiness, they are doing something right. Technically the Australian coast guard should be the ones enforcing the anti whaling rules in the Souther Ocean, but they don't want to have a diplomatic spat with Japan over a bunch of whales, so in the end it's up to people like Sea Sheppard to step in were the authorities refuse to act.

I don't like many of their tactics either, especially their dishonesty when talking to the media, but you have to respect the fact that they go out there and they get results.

/of course, the Japanese aren't saints either. Blasting somebody's deck with water cannon on the middle of the Southern Ocean is dangerous. At least a dangerous as anything Sea Sheppard are doing.
 
2013-02-27 10:25:58 AM  

Mugato: Why do the Japanese hate all manner of sea life so much?


Because asians have yet to meet and animal without thinking "gee, i bet if i ate parts of that, it would help my penis"
 
2013-02-27 10:26:25 AM  

Bad_Seed: liam76: I am generally against (asided from light whaling of non endangered species), but anyone with half a brain who has even seen their show (much less researched them) knows that sea shepard and his ilk do routinely break maritime laws and have aboslutely no problem lying.

But do go out there, put their arses on the line and stop the Japanese from whaling.


They stopped one ship.

Very few of them "put their ass onthe line".  they make a big shwo of it, but not a single one is really willing to die for their cause as they all claim.

Bad_Seed: And if you've noticed, Sea Sheppard now has more money, more ships and more support than ever, so despite their douchiness, they are doing something right.


Getting more assets to do more douchey things isn't doing anything "right" in my book.

Bad_Seed: Technically the Australian coast guard should be the ones enforcing the anti whaling rules in the Souther Ocean, but they don't want to have a diplomatic spat with Japan over a bunch of whales, so in the end it's up to people like Sea Sheppard to step in were the authorities refuse to act.


The australian coast guard has no authority there accoridng to international law.

Bad_Seed: /of course, the Japanese aren't saints either. Blasting somebody's deck with water cannon on the middle of the Southern Ocean is dangerous. At least a dangerous as anything Sea Sheppard are doing


I can't get behind that.  Every action that the Japanese has taken has only been possible because Sea shepard is doing dangerous and illegal things.  If they aren't dressed to handle water, they aren't dressed for the envoronment they are working in.
 
2013-02-27 10:30:47 AM  

arjayct: President Merkin Muffley: notn: yeah, somehow I doubt this is going to stop the Sea Shepard's from doing what their doing.

It's "they're", actually.  The contraction for "they are".

If you're going to be a Word Selection Nazi, at least know your shiat.

And since you decided to publicly correct notn's work...albeit erroneously...you could have cleaned up the unnecessary apostrophe while you were at it.  Then at least you'd have been half right.


I didn't correct anything, I merely highlighted his mistake. Idiot.

/point and laugh.
 
2013-02-27 10:56:15 AM  
When I first saw these guys on TV (long before the TV series), I thought it would be cool to see about joining the crew. Then, as the documentary went on, I realized that these people are clinically insane, and the libbyist libs that ever libbed in a hippy, tree-hugging vegan way, but with a violent bent. As a lefty myself, that's saying something.
 
2013-02-27 10:58:59 AM  

VendorXeno: Go eat some bacon.


Wait, whales are made out of bacon?

KILL THEM ALL!
 
2013-02-27 11:05:12 AM  
I'm at the point that I consider endangered species above most of my fellow humans.   If I were a billionaire I'd buy these guys an old diesel sub and some torpedoes.   Blow the whaling ships and then surface, with a bunch of zodiacs for the survivors to run and tell others of how dangerous the industry has become.
 
2013-02-27 11:07:57 AM  
liam76:
I see you've got your GED in International Maritime Law. Better call up the ICJ in the Hague and tell them that the case is settled, liam76 of Fark.com has made a ruling. They should be pleased to hear of it.

I can't get behind that.  Every action that the Japanese has taken has only been possible because Sea shepard is doing dangerous and illegal things.  If they aren't dressed to handle water, they aren't dressed for the envoronment they are working in.

It's not about the clothes, you idiot. I high pressure water hose can knock you arse over tits. And if you're on deck, it could easily turn into an MOB, which is doubly dangerous if you have two vessels alongside. The water cannon are unnecessarily dangerous, even if Sea Sheppard are blocking them from whaling or refuelling, it doesn't justify endangering their crew.
 
2013-02-27 11:18:03 AM  

Bad_Seed: liam76:
I see you've got your GED in International Maritime Law. Better call up the ICJ in the Hague and tell them that the case is settled, liam76 of Fark.com has made a ruling. They should be pleased to hear of it.

I can't get behind that.  Every action that the Japanese has taken has only been possible because Sea shepard is doing dangerous and illegal things.  If they aren't dressed to handle water, they aren't dressed for the envoronment they are working in.

It's not about the clothes, you idiot. I high pressure water hose can knock you arse over tits. And if you're on deck, it could easily turn into an MOB, which is doubly dangerous if you have two vessels alongside. The water cannon are unnecessarily dangerous, even if Sea Sheppard are blocking them from whaling or refuelling, it doesn't justify endangering their crew.


Do you know what else is dangerous, pulling your boat close enough to a giant ass ship that they can hit you with a water cannon.
 
2013-02-27 11:20:02 AM  

Bad_Seed: liam76:
I see you've got your GED in International Maritime Law. Better call up the ICJ in the Hague and tell them that the case is settled, liam76 of Fark.com has made a ruling. They should be pleased to hear of it.


It is pretty clear that australia and 4 or 5 other countries can dictate what other countries do outside their territorial waters.

The IWC set up a no whaling zone and has never said that Japan "research" permit doesn't apply.

I think it is BS, but the fact is it is legal.

Bad_Seed: It's not about the clothes, you idiot. I high pressure water hose can knock you arse over tits. And if you're on deck, it could easily turn into an MOB, which is doubly dangerous if you have two vessels alongside. The water cannon are unnecessarily dangerous, even if Sea Sheppard are blocking them from whaling or refuelling, it doesn't justify endangering their crew


they shoudl be dressed to handel falling in if they are goign to be walking around anywhere where it is a possibiltiy or they aren't strapped in.

Once again the sea shepard chose to go there, they chose to get in the way of a bigger ship (against the law), they chose to lob stink bombs, etc.  it is stupid to get upset about the relatively tame response of water cannons to such actions.
 
2013-02-27 11:25:04 AM  
The only answer is to just let them fight it out. Trial by combat. If sea Shepard can sink the Japanese fleet, it's because they broke the law and the whales are officially saved. If the Japanese take out Sea Shepard, well....bye.
 
2013-02-27 11:25:26 AM  
"That's nice, remind me how you wedged that into the legal definition of "piracy"?"

Next month: "Federal Court found in Contempt of own ruling."


Keep in mind that in international waters under an international whaling ban it is completely legal to SHOOT EVERYBODY ON THE WHALING VESSELS DEAD AND SINK THEIR SHIPS... you apparently just cannot get close to them or commit misdemeanors against them while you do it..,
 
2013-02-27 11:30:26 AM  
liam76:

But the research is a sham. It's clearly a commercial/nationalistic peener waving operation. The Japanese are bending, if not outright breaking the rules, but few people seem to complain about that.

I don't think you quite gasp what falling overboard in the middle of the ocean entails. Now, blocking somebody else's ship is one thing. Endangering somebody's life is another thing altogether, and the former does not justify the latter. But I've never seen people on Fark be able to understand that.

At the end of the day, Sea Sheppard are successful in at least disrupting and slowing down Japanese whaling and they are getting tons of support doing it. While you and me are sitting and home and providing armchair commentary. I'm not a fan of their tactics, but they do go out there and get shiat done. And for that they deserve a grudging respect.
 
2013-02-27 11:34:01 AM  

prjindigo: "That's nice, remind me how you wedged that into the legal definition of "piracy"?"

Next month: "Federal Court found in Contempt of own ruling."


Keep in mind that in international waters under an international whaling ban it is completely legal to SHOOT EVERYBODY ON THE WHALING VESSELS DEAD AND SINK THEIR SHIPS... you apparently just cannot get close to them or commit misdemeanors against them while you do it..,


I was under the impression that its against the law to carry firearms in international waters. But you've obviously studied the law much more thourouhgly than I.

Unless there's another way to shoot them all dead that I'm not aware of.
 
2013-02-27 11:44:58 AM  

ScouserDuck: prjindigo: "That's nice, remind me how you wedged that into the legal definition of "piracy"?"

Next month: "Federal Court found in Contempt of own ruling."


Keep in mind that in international waters under an international whaling ban it is completely legal to SHOOT EVERYBODY ON THE WHALING VESSELS DEAD AND SINK THEIR SHIPS... you apparently just cannot get close to them or commit misdemeanors against them while you do it..,

I was under the impression that its against the law to carry firearms in international waters. But you've obviously studied the law much more thourouhgly than I.

Unless there's another way to shoot them all dead that I'm not aware of.


It is not against the law to carry firearms in international waters. Private security firms now have anti-piracy teams on merchant ships in international waters regularly in dangerous areas.  The teams with automatic weapons are loaded on the merchant ship from a tender in international waters after the ship leaves port. The team and weapons are removed from the merchant ship and placed back on another tender before the ship goes into its destination port.

It is illegal in most countries to carry the weapons in national waters or to go into port with them on board.

BTW - the Japanese are not breaking any international laws by whaling for "research" purposes (while they certainly are bending the spirit of the law). This has already been established in multiple court rulings and committee meetings.
 
2013-02-27 11:45:02 AM  

Bad_Seed: liam76:

But the research is a sham. It's clearly a commercial/nationalistic peener waving operation. The Japanese are bending, if not outright breaking the rules,


And? I am pretty sure my comment make it very clear that I agree with that.

liam76: "research"


liam76: I think it is BS, but the fact is it is legal



Bad_Seed: but few people seem to complain about that.


If you are doing something that is technically legal and I don't feel enough peopel are complaining, does that give me the right to assault you?


Bad_Seed: I don't think you quite gasp what falling overboard in the middle of the ocean entails. Now, blocking somebody else's ship is one thing. Endangering somebody's life is another thing altogether, and the former does not justify the latter.


I do grasp it, what you fail to grasp is that the blocking of a ship can cause poepl to fall overboard from ramming, that it can cause ships to sink, and for the third time the only way that sea shepard can be effected by hoses is if they break the law and interfere with the whaling ships. The fault rests entierly on their shoulders. Don't understand what you fail to understand about that.
 
2013-02-27 11:50:30 AM  

Bad_Seed: But the research is a sham. It's clearly a commercial/nationalistic peener waving operation. The Japanese are bending, if not outright breaking the rules, but few people seem to complain about that.


If that's the case then the only way to bring the whalers to justice (if they've committed a crime) is in court.  We can't just allow any private citizen with the right money and desire to go out into international waters and wage war, destroy property by breaking ship props, and assault the crews of other ships.  If that were the case, what's to stop anyone anywhere from taking up arms against say a cruise ship just because they feel like it?  The whole thing is mental.

I agree with the Sea Shepherds in that I think what the Japanese are doing is a breach of the treaties that exist, and it's actually pretty shiatty do be doing that commercially.  I didn't however have the same opinion about their activities when they visited the faroe islands.  The whaling there was akin to the tradition of individuals that hunt in the United States.  It was not a huge commercial operation trying to feed an enormous population with an unsustainable food source, like the Japanese whaling was.
 
2013-02-27 11:51:06 AM  

lewismarktwo: Well, if the Japanese aren't actually conduction research and instead are harvesting the whales for food (and they are) then this ruling is meaningless.


Sort of reminds me of that old looney toons cartoon where they chop down a tree, float it down a river, process a single tree into a single toothpick.

I suspect the Japanese are doing something similar with the whales.  They are "Researching" the umm bone marrow of a single specific rib.  And they are being environmentally friendly by not wasting all of the rest of the whale so they sell the meat to raise money to continue their research.
 
2013-02-27 12:08:26 PM  

JDJoeE: jtown: While I think that group exploits young people, putting them in absurdly dangerous situations with little or no training, I don't see what a United States court has to say about it.  They're not using US-flagged ships and they're not doing these things in US waters or targeting US-flagged ships.  If Japan has a problem, let Japan deal with it.  If Australia has a problem, let Australia take care of it.  If one of their ship's flag nations has a problem, let them deal with it.  None of those countries needs the US to step in.

They're US citizens.  As a US citizen you are subject to US law regardless of whether you're in Tulsa, OK, Outer Mongolia, or visiting Saturn.


Nope.
 
2013-02-27 12:41:08 PM  
In other news.  Everyone watching that whaling stopper (whatever the title is) show on animal planet have been laughing about it for years with the full knowledge that these guys are acting like pirates
 
2013-02-27 12:42:16 PM  
In most cases:

Territotial waters extends out 12 miles - same as being on land, all laws of that nation/state apply
International waters begins at 12 miles
The Exclusive Economic Zone extends to 200 miles - state has control of resources, other rights
High Seas begins at 200 miles
 
2013-02-27 12:54:07 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: JDJoeE: jtown: While I think that group exploits young people, putting them in absurdly dangerous situations with little or no training, I don't see what a United States court has to say about it.  They're not using US-flagged ships and they're not doing these things in US waters or targeting US-flagged ships.  If Japan has a problem, let Japan deal with it.  If Australia has a problem, let Australia take care of it.  If one of their ship's flag nations has a problem, let them deal with it.  None of those countries needs the US to step in.

They're US citizens.  As a US citizen you are subject to US law regardless of whether you're in Tulsa, OK, Outer Mongolia, or visiting Saturn.

Nope.


The IRS would like a word with you
So would the FBI when you come back from boning under-age sex slaves in Finland or the Philippines
 
2013-02-27 01:07:05 PM  

cwolf20: In other news.  Everyone watching that whaling stopper (whatever the title is) show on animal planet have been laughing about it for years with the full knowledge that these guys are acting like pirates


Actually people watch Whale Wars to laugh at how hopelessly inept the Sea Shepherd crew is... they can't even perform simply tasks like launching a boat without some disaster happening.
 
2013-02-27 01:16:08 PM  

johnny_vegas: Kraftwerk Orange: JDJoeE: jtown: While I think that group exploits young people, putting them in absurdly dangerous situations with little or no training, I don't see what a United States court has to say about it.  They're not using US-flagged ships and they're not doing these things in US waters or targeting US-flagged ships.  If Japan has a problem, let Japan deal with it.  If Australia has a problem, let Australia take care of it.  If one of their ship's flag nations has a problem, let them deal with it.  None of those countries needs the US to step in.

They're US citizens.  As a US citizen you are subject to US law regardless of whether you're in Tulsa, OK, Outer Mongolia, or visiting Saturn.

Nope.

The IRS would like a word with you
So would the FBI when you come back from boning under-age sex slaves in Finland or the Philippines


As a US Citizen, you have to file an annual tax return with the IRS.  Sure.
Under-age sex slaves - wherever - makes you a perv., but I really doubt the FBI is all that interested.

There's lot of US laws that US citizens break when in foreign countries, because those specific actions aren't illegal there.  Smoking pot in Amsterdam, driving high-speed in Germany, drinking raw milk and eating unpasteurized foods...

Come on, live a little.  Part of the fun of a foreign vacation is doing things that would get you arrested back home.
 
2013-02-27 01:20:45 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: johnny_vegas: Kraftwerk Orange: JDJoeE: jtown: While I think that group exploits young people, putting them in absurdly dangerous situations with little or no training, I don't see what a United States court has to say about it.  They're not using US-flagged ships and they're not doing these things in US waters or targeting US-flagged ships.  If Japan has a problem, let Japan deal with it.  If Australia has a problem, let Australia take care of it.  If one of their ship's flag nations has a problem, let them deal with it.  None of those countries needs the US to step in.

They're US citizens.  As a US citizen you are subject to US law regardless of whether you're in Tulsa, OK, Outer Mongolia, or visiting Saturn.

Nope.

The IRS would like a word with you
So would the FBI when you come back from boning under-age sex slaves in Finland or the Philippines

As a US Citizen, you have to file an annual tax return with the IRS.  Sure.
Under-age sex slaves - wherever - makes you a perv., but I really doubt the FBI is all that interested.

There's lot of US laws that US citizens break when in foreign countries, because those specific actions aren't illegal there.  Smoking pot in Amsterdam, driving high-speed in Germany, drinking raw milk and eating unpasteurized foods...

Come on, live a little.  Part of the fun of a foreign vacation is doing things that would get you arrested back home.


I'd like to walk back my comment about under-age sex slaves.  That is part of the FBI's jurisdiction, human trafficking into the US.  However, there are still plenty of people you can sleep with for money while outside of the US, and the FBI won't care one bit.
 
2013-02-27 01:22:38 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: johnny_vegas: Kraftwerk Orange: JDJoeE: jtown: While I think that group exploits young people, putting them in absurdly dangerous situations with little or no training, I don't see what a United States court has to say about it.  They're not using US-flagged ships and they're not doing these things in US waters or targeting US-flagged ships.  If Japan has a problem, let Japan deal with it.  If Australia has a problem, let Australia take care of it.  If one of their ship's flag nations has a problem, let them deal with it.  None of those countries needs the US to step in.

They're US citizens.  As a US citizen you are subject to US law regardless of whether you're in Tulsa, OK, Outer Mongolia, or visiting Saturn.

Nope.

The IRS would like a word with you
So would the FBI when you come back from boning under-age sex slaves in Finland or the Philippines

As a US Citizen, you have to file an annual tax return with the IRS.  Sure.
Under-age sex slaves - wherever - makes you a perv., but I really doubt the FBI is all that interested.

There's lot of US laws that US citizens break when in foreign countries, because those specific actions aren't illegal there.  Smoking pot in Amsterdam, driving high-speed in Germany, drinking raw milk and eating unpasteurized foods...

Come on, live a little.  Part of the fun of a foreign vacation is doing things that would get you arrested back home.


I disagree with nothing you said, the bottom-line is to understand, obey and respect the law of the country your are visiting or living in...it was just your response previously that I wanted to address because there are cases where the US will hold you accountable...IRS, sex trade, and drug traficking  are 3.
 
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