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2013-02-27 05:33:01 AM

Aulus: So, is this leading to getting to see Hayden Panettiere in a sexy pirate costume?  Please?


she only saves the dolphins not the whales
 
2013-02-27 05:43:34 AM

albatros183: People that kill whalers deserve the hero tag

/Kill one of the few not evil sapient species, your stupid


Moron. Seriously.

Whales are basically seagoing cows. If they had been half as smart as people like you thought they were, there would be no such thing as whaling. Why? Because they'd be gone long before the whalers show up.
 
2013-02-27 05:46:11 AM

Mugato: Why do the Japanese hate all manner of sea life so much?


Do you hate the food on your plate?
 
2013-02-27 05:57:29 AM

msupf: "Killing whales for research on their impact on our fisheries" is a bullshiat reason even if true, and they know it. How many other biological or environmental studies call for the wholesale murder of at-risk species in order to conduct the research? If you have to kill thousands every year, maybe the research isn't that necessary.


First of all, not all whales are endangered. Secondly, the real threat to the whales doesn't come from whaling, but from pollution. The pollution you're causing by the way you live. In part by the build-up of toxins in whales, in part by the carbonization of the ocean due to CO2 emission.

If you want to "save the whales," park your car / motorcycle for good and stop using products that result in toxins being released. Start by changing your life instead of demanding that others change theirs. Either that or accept that you're a smeggin hypocrite.

/yeah, I'm norwegian
//you whale lovers are a bunch of ignorant fools
 
2013-02-27 06:13:03 AM

Uncle Tractor: msupf: "Killing whales for research on their impact on our fisheries" is a bullshiat reason even if true, and they know it. How many other biological or environmental studies call for the wholesale murder of at-risk species in order to conduct the research? If you have to kill thousands every year, maybe the research isn't that necessary.

First of all, not all whales are endangered. Secondly, the real threat to the whales doesn't come from whaling, but from pollution. The pollution you're causing by the way you live. In part by the build-up of toxins in whales, in part by the carbonization of the ocean due to CO2 emission.

If you want to "save the whales," park your car / motorcycle for good and stop using products that result in toxins being released. Start by changing your life instead of demanding that others change theirs. Either that or accept that you're a smeggin hypocrite.

/yeah, I'm norwegian
//you whale lovers are a bunch of ignorant fools


Yeah that's a lovely cop out isn't it, blaming people who are indirectly harming recovery efforts through honestly very little fault of their own given the technologies most people have access to and the low level of choice you actually have in what your lifestyle requires.

No, I think I'm going to keep putting a good amount of blame on the people who are deliberately going out and killing endangered species.
 
2013-02-27 06:14:08 AM
OK, how does a US judge get to say anything about this at all??? Since when has the US had jurisdiction over what happens in Australian waters?? The US court can go fark itself.
 
2013-02-27 06:14:48 AM
Minke whales are the same as wolves in the Upper Great Lakes and grizzlies in Montana/Idaho in that managed hunting should be allowed. By allowing limited hunts you satisfy all parties and keep the whaling culture intact.
 
2013-02-27 06:17:45 AM

insertsnarkyusername: Deathfrogg: Pretty strange, considering the fact that the Japanese are literally poaching in a protected area. Australia has banned whaling and fueling at sea in that whole zone and the Japanese factory processing ship has repeatedly rammed the Sea Shepard ships from behind and then left the scene.

The Japanese are the ones breaking multiple international laws here.

Aren't they doing that in international waters that Australia has no control over?


No, they are doing it in Australian waters.
 
2013-02-27 06:20:28 AM
1. The Japanese hunt whales that are not even close to being endangered - such as Minke.

2. Whale tastes delicious.

3. It's nobody else goddam business what the Japanese hunt.
 
2013-02-27 06:22:33 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Minke whales are the same as wolves in the Upper Great Lakes and grizzlies in Montana/Idaho in that managed hunting should be allowed. By allowing limited hunts you satisfy all parties and keep the whaling culture intact.


THIS. But the do-gooder progressive idiots don't want the facts, they want to feel morally superior while telling others how to live their lives. Try to tell them how to live, though, and you'll never hear the end of "you can't tell me how to live. Don't force your morality onto me!11!!'.

Hypocrites.
 
2013-02-27 06:25:43 AM

accelerus: Mugato: Why do the Japanese hate all manner of sea life so much?

they don't hate all sea life -- ever seen one of those freaky/creepy pornos where the asian lady does crazy stuff with an octopus?

On a serious note -- If I was out making a living and these hippy douche rockets showed up ramming my boat and being dicks. Yeah I'd have a mounted .50cal on the deck. I think the whaling boats have shown great restraint only using water cannons up until now. They are whaling for food -- what's the problem with that? If they are staying within their quotas and conforming to all international laws on the subject, leave them the fark alone.

You'd probably be pretty pissed if I showed up uninvited to your job, and tore up all your papers, destroyed your computer, and constantly was ramming my chair into your chair.


Since they are pirates now -- do we get to watch some more awesome stuff where they take the hippy cock gobblers out with a sniper shot from a rolling and bobbing boat?


Actually, the Japanese are breaking numerous international laws, including, but not limited to:

Entering Australian waters with an armed ship
Taking a ship with heavy fuel into the Antarctic
Whaling illegally in a wildlife refuge
Killing whales for food, while claiming it is "research"

etc. etc. But you go right ahead and keep believing that the Japanese are in the right and those "damned hippies" are the ones who are doing wrong.

As for "cock gobblers", I guess you must really hate fellatio. Too bad for you.
 
2013-02-27 06:30:53 AM

Iplaybass: 1. The Japanese hunt whales that are not even close to being endangered - such as Minke.

2. Whale tastes delicious.

3. It's nobody else goddam business what the Japanese hunt.


Three things wrong with those three things.

1. The Japanese hunt sei and sperm whale, which are endangered.
2. Japan doesn't eat the crap, nobody wants it. They just want the whaling culture.
3. It's EVERYONE's business when they hunt a migratory species, and it's very definitely Australia's business when they're doing it in Australian waters.
 
2013-02-27 06:36:11 AM

Iplaybass: 1. The Japanese hunt whales that are not even close to being endangered - such as Minke.

2. Whale tastes delicious.

3. It's nobody else goddam business what the Japanese hunt.


1: First off, no, they don't limit themselves this way. Secondly, ocean biomass is down over 70% in the last century. That means that we've wiped out literally more than 70% of everything that lives there, and its reproductive potential. Individual endangered species are no longer the issue.

2: Go eat some bacon.

3: How did you come to the conclusion that it's no one else's business what a nation slaughters in international waters when we've already removed 70+% of the overall potential biomass? Seriously, how could you possibly have reached a conclusion that moronic?

I mean, are you a troll? Almost certainly, but this just shows what's wrong with trolls. What a pathetic manner of behavior. What a useless way to devote yourself.
 
2013-02-27 06:36:42 AM

Great Porn Dragon: Deathfrogg: The Sea Shepard ships are flagged in New Zealand and Australia. Australia has claimed sovereignty over the whole southern ocean between Australia and Antarctica, and ANZUS maritime treaties back that claim. The Japanese are poaching in Australian national waters.

Then all the better reason for the Sea Shepherd to have worked with the Australian and/or New Zealand governments to get a formal letter of marque and reprisal (which would have legally covered their ass from claims of piracy, of note; with that letter, they're basically working as a private agent authorised expressly by the government to prevent whaling ships from conducting illegal activity, and Japan would have to biatch to the Australian or New Zealand government instead of trying to prosecute the Sea Shepherd crew for what is seen as the One Big Unforgivable in maritime law).

I'm not a fan of the tactics they use, but I can at least understand WHY they're going for direct action--but again, maritime law is a rather different beast than On-Shore National Law and the potential penalties for monkeywrenching are sufficiently severe that you really want to cover your ass doing this--and if you can cover your ass by having an official governmental document basically making you James Bond of the High Seas, even better.

(And by "considerably more serious"...well, for similar bits of monkeywrenching on land you'd just at best get charged with vandalism or felony destruction of property, you might get a restraining order against you, but even if your group is part of an organised domestic terrorist organisation you still aren't going to have as severe penalties as Monkeywrenching At Sea.  The latter tends to be defined as the Crime of Sabotage or the Crime of Piracy, both of which are literally capital offenses in many countries--piracy in particular is taken so seriously that in some countries the only death penalty offenses that remain on the books are the crimes of high treason and piracy.  In ...


The US are definitely NOT going to blow anyone's ass up over this. It's taking place in AUSTRALIAN waters, and if the US sent a warship into Australian waters without invitation, that's an act of war against Australia. It may have escaped your attention, but the US and Australia are allies. NOT going to happen.
 
2013-02-27 06:43:31 AM
These guys refit in Melbourne and give tours of their ships.  They had what they called a "can opener" which was a large I beam that extended from the ship but I think they removed it.

These idiots could end Japanese whaling with very little effort.  All they need to do is pick up some radio active tracer and put it in one of the tranquilliser guns.  They can shoot the dying whales or lots of them but have photos of them doing it and then get a TV crew in Japan to go the large fish markets with a Giger counter. The support for whaling would dry up after one news show and then the problem would be gone forever.
 
2013-02-27 06:54:48 AM

Deathfrogg: Pretty strange, considering the fact that the Japanese are literally poaching in a protected area. Australia has banned whaling and fueling at sea in that whole zone and the Japanese factory processing ship has repeatedly rammed the Sea Shepard ships from behind and then left the scene.

The Japanese are the ones breaking multiple international laws here.


Japanese whaling falls under research laws.  I don't agree witht hat, but the courts do.

Japanese ships have never rammed sea shepard, any more than you would "ram" a car that cut you off and slammed on their brakes before it was physically possible for you to slam the breaks.

fark them.

If Japan got  aletter of Marquee, I woudl be all about signing on to kill those farkers.
 
2013-02-27 07:05:43 AM

bikkurikun: Deathfrogg: Pretty strange, considering the fact that the Japanese are literally poaching in a protected area. Australia has banned whaling and fueling at sea in that whole zone and the Japanese factory processing ship has repeatedly rammed the Sea Shepard ships from behind and then left the scene.

The Japanese are the ones breaking multiple international laws here.

No. What the Japanese do is completely legal. Australia though, is not following international laws by declaring certain areas "protected" eventhough they have no internationally accepted jurisdiction over those areas.

The Japanese are acting in full compliance with international laws and treaties. Australia and Sea Shepherd are not.


No it isn't. I've listed several of the illegal things the Japanese are doing. They are most certainly NOT acting in full compliance with international laws and treaties. Neither is Sea Shepherd, but I have a lot more sympathy for them, as they are acting non-violently in protest against the illegal actions of the Japanese.
 
2013-02-27 07:08:11 AM

liam76: fark them.

If Japan got aletter of Marquee, I woudl be all about signing on to kill those farkers.


No you wouldn't, you pussy. This shiat takes place in Antarctica, and you haven't got the gonads to spend time on a ship in Antarctica. You'd freeze your tiny little dick off.

/farking ITG pussies - I hate em!
 
2013-02-27 07:10:55 AM

RealFarknMcCoy2: Entering Australian waters with an armed ship - When did this happen?
Taking a ship with heavy fuel into the Antarctic - What treaty are they party to that doesn't allow this?
Whaling illegally in a wildlife refuge - What treaty are they party to that declares it a wildlife refuge?  I thought Australia was unilaterally declaring that.
Killing whales for food, while claiming it is "research" - What treaty are they party to that says whales used for research can't later be eaten?


RealFarknMcCoy2: etc. etc. But you go right ahead and keep believing that the Japanese are in the right and those "damned hippies" are the ones who are doing wrong.


I don't think they are "in the right" but I don't believe they are breaking the law.
Change the laws treaties if you have a problem with their actions, don't go out and attack or vandalize their ships.
 
2013-02-27 07:14:08 AM

IRQ12: IANAL but my understanding of it is basically the vessel with the ability to safely avoid collision  mustdo so.  There really is no hard rule of who has the "right of way" like on roads, and there's clear rules on how vessels approach each other and what signals from lighting to horn blasts mean.

From what I have seen in the show they have shown a clear disregard for all of these rules/laws and that any judge would side with them is appalling.

This is coming from someone who thinks a lot of the whaling practices are abhorrent.


I'm going to copy something that was posted to Reddit because it's faster than typing out the same thing myself:

The Bob Barker is very much in the wrong in this situation. These two vessels are undergoing an operation known as "underway replenishment". Vessels engaged in this operation become "restricted in their ability to manoeuvre (RAM)". I am unable to see from the video whether or not she is displaying her day shapes to indicate so, but either way the Nisshin Maru has properly warned the Bob Barker to keep clear. As the Nisshin Maru is RAM, the Bob Barker, which is under "power-driven vessel" status must avoid a vessel RAM. COLREGs Rule 18 (a)(ii)
The second mistake is the attempt to overtake these two ships so close. This is a direct violation of COLREGs Rule 13 (d) which governs overtaking. "Any subsequent alteration of the bearing between the two vessels shall not make the overtaking vessel a crossing vessel within the meaning of these Rules or relieve her of the duty of keeping clear of the overtaken vessel until she is finally past and clear." Because of the fact that the Bob Barker is within 22.5 degrees abaft (behind) the beam (line in the middle from side to side) of both vessels, she is to keep well clear and safely overtake the vessels on either the port or starboard sides.

Any remotely competent mariner would not find themselves in this position. a smaller vessel like the Bob Barker should not have much difficulty avoiding this even near the start of this video. The Bob Barker should have used astern propulsion to remove herself from the middle of these two vessels.
 
2013-02-27 07:14:12 AM

RealFarknMcCoy2: liam76: fark them.

If Japan got aletter of Marquee, I woudl be all about signing on to kill those farkers.

No you wouldn't, you pussy. This shiat takes place in Antarctica, and you haven't got the gonads to spend time on a ship in Antarctica. You'd freeze your tiny little dick off.

/farking ITG pussies - I hate em Love thinking about their dicks!


FTFY.

RealFarknMcCoy2: No it isn't. I've listed several of the illegal things the Japanese are doing.


You have claimed severl things are illegal but provided no proof.
 
2013-02-27 07:14:52 AM

Seth'n'Spectrum: [bradfordschmidt.com image 324x205]
Shepherd.

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Wrecks.


This is my favorite post on the Citadel.
 
2013-02-27 07:16:29 AM

liam76: RealFarknMcCoy2: Entering Australian waters with an armed ship - When did this happen?
Taking a ship with heavy fuel into the Antarctic - What treaty are they party to that doesn't allow this?
Whaling illegally in a wildlife refuge - What treaty are they party to that declares it a wildlife refuge?  I thought Australia was unilaterally declaring that.
Killing whales for food, while claiming it is "research" - What treaty are they party to that says whales used for research can't later be eaten?

RealFarknMcCoy2: etc. etc. But you go right ahead and keep believing that the Japanese are in the right and those "damned hippies" are the ones who are doing wrong.

I don't think they are "in the right" but I don't believe they are breaking the law.
Change the laws treaties if you have a problem with their actions, don't go out and attack or vandalize their ships.


Just some quick googling, but...

http://2041.com/ban-on-heavy-fuel-oil-in-antarctica/
http://www.asoc.org/issues-and-advocacy/antarctic-wildlife-conservat io n/southern-ocean-whale-sanctuary
 
2013-02-27 07:16:47 AM
They are acting like pirates, it's good that the courts recognize that fact. If they want change, they really need to rally the forces behind changing international treaty limits on whaling.
 
2013-02-27 07:19:31 AM

liam76: RealFarknMcCoy2: liam76: fark them.

If Japan got aletter of Marquee, I woudl be all about signing on to kill those farkers.

No you wouldn't, you pussy. This shiat takes place in Antarctica, and you haven't got the gonads to spend time on a ship in Antarctica. You'd freeze your tiny little dick off.

/farking ITG pussies - I hate em Love thinking about their dicks!

FTFY.

RealFarknMcCoy2: No it isn't. I've listed several of the illegal things the Japanese are doing.

You have claimed severl things are illegal but provided no proof.


Don't be such a farkwit. ALL of the things I have named are VERY clear violations of laws and treaties, and all you need to do is google them. The Japanese are breaking multiple laws, which is why Australia is taking them to court over it.
 
2013-02-27 07:20:59 AM

pkellmey: They are acting like pirates, it's good that the courts recognize that fact. If they want change, they really need to rally the forces behind changing international treaty limits on whaling.


The limit on whaling for food is 0. The Japanese are flouting the law in numerous ways. Australia should start confiscating the Japanese whaling ships, but sadly, won't.
 
2013-02-27 07:23:34 AM

SniperJoe: Any remotely competent mariner would not find themselves in this position. a smaller vessel like the Bob Barker should not have much difficulty avoiding this even near the start of this video. The Bob Barker should have used astern propulsion to remove herself from the middle of these two vessels.


But that wouldn't make good television.
 
2013-02-27 07:26:09 AM
People here keep saying that the Japanese don't like whale meat. So I did an informal survey of my students. They are all Japanese elementary students who get the government lunch. On a scale of 1-10 the lowest rating was a 5. Whale meat mostly scored 7 or 8 because they preferred beef or chicken. So whatever that means.
It's the older folks, those that grew up in the post war years that don't like it much. They just had to eat too damn much of it. Sometimes that was the only meat available. The kids don't have this association.
/When I tell Japanese that I love venison they look at me like I'm some kind of vampire cannibal. They can't believe that I would eat a deer.
 
2013-02-27 07:27:46 AM
All commercial ships should mount at least four 50 caliber machine guns on them to deter piracy.

At the first biological weapon hurled (and yes, the anti-whaling pussies do this), open fire. Problem goes away within a month.
 
2013-02-27 07:28:05 AM
The hippies are not in Australian waters. All countries gave up thier Antarctic claims so that none can exploit its minerals etc. When the a$&holes touch the Japanese ships and step on them that's illegal boarding. An armed response is warranted then. Btw if the Aussies are harboring these pirates then the Japanese can enter any port they are sailing out of and sink the ships.
 
2013-02-27 07:31:18 AM

RealFarknMcCoy2: Don't be such a farkwit. ALL of the things I have named are VERY clear violations of laws and treaties, and all you need to do is google them. The Japanese are breaking multiple laws, which is why Australia is taking them to court over it.


Though, to point out that we're a bit off the rails here, this thread is about a random set of assholes who sabotage ship propulsion in arctic waters getting called out on it, which is illegal as all hell and criminal in the moral sense even if what their victims are doing is also bullshiat.

It's sort of like if a restaurant refused to serve me because I'm black, and in response I pulled a gun and killed the maitre'd and sous chef.  Yes, they're breaking the law, but I'm still a filthy murderer that deserves every bit of jail time I've got coming.  Two wrongs and so on.
 
2013-02-27 07:36:12 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: The hippies are not in Australian waters. All countries gave up thier Antarctic claims so that none can exploit its minerals etc. When the a$&holes touch the Japanese ships and step on them that's illegal boarding. An armed response is warranted then. Btw if the Aussies are harboring these pirates then the Japanese can enter any port they are sailing out of and sink the ships.


You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. None.
 
2013-02-27 07:38:44 AM

RealFarknMcCoy2: liam76:

Don't be such a farkwit. ALL of the things I have named are VERY clear violations of laws and treaties, and all you need to do is google them. The Japanese are breaking multiple laws, which is why Australia is taking them to court over it.


Oh, come on. Do some actual research yourself. Again, the "whale sanctuary" is something that is unilaterally declared by Australia, concerning areas over which other countries do not accept Australia's claim. They can declare what they want, but they do not have any real jurisdiction over it, and it is certainly not covered in any treaty to which Japan is a member. Japan, or any other country operating in the whale sanctuary is therefore doing nothing in contradiction with international maritime law.


As for the fuel oil, that could be in violation of the marpol treaty to which japan is a member, but you would first have to proof that it is actually the case. So far there is only a suspicion /accusation voiced by sea shepherd but no proof.
 
2013-02-27 07:41:00 AM

Jim_Callahan: RealFarknMcCoy2: Don't be such a farkwit. ALL of the things I have named are VERY clear violations of laws and treaties, and all you need to do is google them. The Japanese are breaking multiple laws, which is why Australia is taking them to court over it.

Though, to point out that we're a bit off the rails here, this thread is about a random set of assholes who sabotage ship propulsion in arctic waters getting called out on it, which is illegal as all hell and criminal in the moral sense even if what their victims are doing is also bullshiat.

It's sort of like if a restaurant refused to serve me because I'm black, and in response I pulled a gun and killed the maitre'd and sous chef.  Yes, they're breaking the law, but I'm still a filthy murderer that deserves every bit of jail time I've got coming.  Two wrongs and so on.


Except, of course, Sea Shepherd have not harmed or killed anyone at all, so your analogy is completely full of shiat. But other than that, yeah, they are both breaking laws. Sea Shepherd is breaking the law in protest, kinda like Rosa Parks did. Or like anti-forestry protesters do.
 
2013-02-27 07:41:23 AM

Draq: http://www.asoc.org/issues-and-advocacy/antarctic-wildlife-conservat io n/southern-ocean-whale-sanctuary



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ocean_Whale_Sanctuary#Dispute_o v er_legality">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ocean_Whale_Sanctu ary#Dispute_ov er_legality

No court or external body has ruled if it is legal.

Your own link mentions the area, and also mentions Japan's research permit there, and while it questions it's scientific value it never says it is illegal.

Draq: http://2041.com/ban-on-heavy-fuel-oil-in-antarctica/


Thanks, but where is the proof that Japan is violating this?


I am generally against (asided from light whaling of non endangered species), but anyone with half a brain who has even seen their show  (much less researched them) knows that sea shepard and his ilk do routinely break maritime laws and have aboslutely no problem lying.

I have no problem believing that Japan may be breaking laws, but I have seen no proof.
 
2013-02-27 07:42:02 AM

Thunderpipes: All commercial ships should mount at least four 50 caliber machine guns on them to deter piracy.

At the first biological weapon hurled (and yes, the anti-whaling pussies do this), open fire. Problem goes away within a month.


So basically you're advocating declaring war on Australia. Because that's what bringing an armed vessel into international waters and attacking somebody means.
 
2013-02-27 07:42:29 AM
1) It's not Australian waters. It's an economic exclusion zone (EEZ). 12 miles from shore is the internationally recognized limit and any warship from any nation has a right to be there, including those that use heavy fuels as they are specifically excluded from the treaty that governs the use of heavy fuels below 60s. Those waters also fall under the Antarctic treaty which limits almost any military actions outside of a declared war.

2) Technically speaking now that the Sea Shepherds have been deemed in a US Federal court to be a pirate organization any SS ship in US waters or in international waters (EEZ excluded) can (and probably will in the case of US territorial or EEZ waters) be confiscated by US Naval or Coast Guard ships and any current or future crew members that set foot on US shores can be arrested and prosecuted as maritime pirates.

This means that in theory the US could wait until the SS ships are transiting on the high seas at which time they could be boarded and the ships and all equipment aboard confiscated while the crew could be prosecuted under international maritime piracy laws. As it stands the Sea Shepherds have done what they can to minimize the odds of this happening by having Watson (the former Captain) step down and take a position as a deck hand (although any court is still going to see this as a thinly veiled legal tactic and may still consider Watson to be the de-facto captain of any Sea Shepherd ship that he is on, but it's all that the Sea Shepherds can do aside from putting him ashore permanently as he is specifically mentioned in this legal ruling).

The Sea Shepherds have brought this all upon themselves and will get no sympathy from me if they end up being prosecuted and put out of business. They have repeatedly and intentionally placed or attempted to place themselves and others lives in dire risk on the high seas.
 
2013-02-27 07:42:43 AM

Slartibartfaster: Draq: if_i_really_have_to:
Now, try and stop bluefin tuna fishing and you'll see the Japanese population rain down hellfire.

Which is too bad because they're even more endangered than whales.

The fishing practices used for catching them also threatens many other species.
I stood in the fish market in tokyo at 5am once, more fish than I have ever seen (and that was just one day)

Japanese fishing methods are not sustainable.
Chinese are improving but still behind the rest of the world.


50% of Japans catch is the result of Aquafarming. Japan is actively trying to farm raise blue fin.
http://web-japan.org/nipponia/nipponia21/en/feature/feature10.html
 
2013-02-27 07:44:46 AM

RealFarknMcCoy2: You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. None


Which point do you dispute Ms/Mr number two ?
 
2013-02-27 07:45:33 AM

bikkurikun: RealFarknMcCoy2: liam76:

Don't be such a farkwit. ALL of the things I have named are VERY clear violations of laws and treaties, and all you need to do is google them. The Japanese are breaking multiple laws, which is why Australia is taking them to court over it.

Oh, come on. Do some actual research yourself. Again, the "whale sanctuary" is something that is unilaterally declared by Australia, concerning areas over which other countries do not accept Australia's claim. They can declare what they want, but they do not have any real jurisdiction over it, and it is certainly not covered in any treaty to which Japan is a member. Japan, or any other country operating in the whale sanctuary is therefore doing nothing in contradiction with international maritime law.


As for the fuel oil, that could be in violation of the marpol treaty to which japan is a member, but you would first have to proof that it is actually the case. So far there is only a suspicion /accusation voiced by sea shepherd but no proof.


The international whaling comission established a whaling sanctuary, but Japan's "research permit" still applies there.
 
2013-02-27 07:45:56 AM

bikkurikun: RealFarknMcCoy2: liam76:

Don't be such a farkwit. ALL of the things I have named are VERY clear violations of laws and treaties, and all you need to do is google them. The Japanese are breaking multiple laws, which is why Australia is taking them to court over it.

Oh, come on. Do some actual research yourself. Again, the "whale sanctuary" is something that is unilaterally declared by Australia, concerning areas over which other countries do not accept Australia's claim. They can declare what they want, but they do not have any real jurisdiction over it, and it is certainly not covered in any treaty to which Japan is a member. Japan, or any other country operating in the whale sanctuary is therefore doing nothing in contradiction with international maritime law.


As for the fuel oil, that could be in violation of the marpol treaty to which japan is a member, but you would first have to proof that it is actually the case. So far there is only a suspicion /accusation voiced by sea shepherd but no proof.


No proof??? The ship was REFUELLING from the farking thing!! How simple-minded ARE you, exactly?

Sorry, I'd love to stay up past midnight reading your astonishingly stupid posts, but I've got to work tomorrow...
 
2013-02-27 07:46:47 AM

Digipr0f69: 50% of Japans catch is the result of Aquafarming


Glad to hear that.
Aquafarming is dangerous too, but it is more potentially sustainable than wild catch and has a far lower risk of collateral damage (it still causes some but imho less). Thank you for sharing the link.
 
2013-02-27 07:47:08 AM

phalamir: Well, shiat, then just start sinking the Japanese boats.  If you are screwed no matter what, then at least accomplish something.


Yes, and you will then find out that in anticipation of this, the Japanese stationed one of their submarines in the general vicinity.

You play with the big boys by big boy rules, don't be surprised to find yourself on the end of the torpedo.  Or two.  And unfortunately, due to a mix-up in communications, the rescue effort for any survivors will be "delayed".

/And not a tear will be shed.
 
2013-02-27 07:47:18 AM

RealFarknMcCoy2: pkellmey: They are acting like pirates, it's good that the courts recognize that fact. If they want change, they really need to rally the forces behind changing international treaty limits on whaling.

The limit on whaling for food is 0. The Japanese are flouting the law in numerous ways. Australia should start confiscating the Japanese whaling ships, but sadly, won't.


If the pirates have a problem with this, they need to rally behind international treaty limits on whaling. If there aren't any, criminal activity against whalers needs to be stopped. It is not their job to be international cops; there are authorities for that. If Australia wanted to protect their waters, they would be doing so.
 
2013-02-27 07:50:59 AM

RealFarknMcCoy2: bikkurikun: RealFarknMcCoy2: liam76:

Don't be such a farkwit. ALL of the things I have named are VERY clear violations of laws and treaties, and all you need to do is google them. The Japanese are breaking multiple laws, which is why Australia is taking them to court over it.

Oh, come on. Do some actual research yourself. Again, the "whale sanctuary" is something that is unilaterally declared by Australia, concerning areas over which other countries do not accept Australia's claim. They can declare what they want, but they do not have any real jurisdiction over it, and it is certainly not covered in any treaty to which Japan is a member. Japan, or any other country operating in the whale sanctuary is therefore doing nothing in contradiction with international maritime law.


As for the fuel oil, that could be in violation of the marpol treaty to which japan is a member, but you would first have to proof that it is actually the case. So far there is only a suspicion /accusation voiced by sea shepherd but no proof.

No proof??? The ship was REFUELLING from the farking thing!! How simple-minded ARE you, exactly?

Sorry, I'd love to stay up past midnight reading your astonishingly stupid posts, but I've got to work tomorrow...


And refueling = illegal to you?
 
2013-02-27 07:52:08 AM
liam76:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ocean_Whale_Sanctuary#Dispute_ o v er_legality">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ocean_Whale_Sanctu ary#Dispute_ov er_legality

No court or external body has ruled if it is legal.

Your own link mentions the area, and also mentions Japan's research permit there, and while it questions it's scientific value it never says it is illegal.


The ICW ruled it, and Japan is party to the ICW's rules. That's why they disputed it instead of simply ignoring it. And their "research" is a joke, there is no reason whatsoever to be killing the volume of whales that they are, or any whales at all, especially when they claim it's to research their population trends and impact on fishing. Normally you'd need them alive for that.

Sea Shepherds may have a history of lying, but Japan has a history of violating international treaties, quotas, and maritime law. They just do not care.
 
2013-02-27 07:52:42 AM

liam76: bikkurikun: RealFarknMcCoy2: liam76:


The international whaling comission established a whaling sanctuary, but Japan's "research permit" still applies there.


I know, but on top of that there is also the Australian Whale Sanctuary, which includes some areas in Antarctic waters. However Australia's claims on those waters have only been recognized by 4 or 5 countries. The Japanese, not recognizing those claims, are hunting there.
 
2013-02-27 07:54:05 AM
Digipr0f69:
50% of Japans catch is the result of Aquafarming. Japan is actively trying to farm raise blue fin.
http://web-japan.org/nipponia/nipponia21/en/feature/feature10.html


That's probably because of the time they got penalized for taking in over fifty times their allowed bluefin quota.
 
2013-02-27 08:00:42 AM

Draq: Digipr0f69:
50% of Japans catch is the result of Aquafarming. Japan is actively trying to farm raise blue fin.
http://web-japan.org/nipponia/nipponia21/en/feature/feature10.html

That's probably because of the time they got penalized for taking in over fifty times their allowed bluefin quota.


Do you have a citation for that?
 
2013-02-27 08:00:55 AM
Draq:

Sea Shepherds may have a history of lying, but Japan has a history of violating international treaties, quotas, and maritime law. They just do not care.

A loophole is not a violation. Again, they are not violating any treaty, nor maritime law. Just because you want them to stop for whatever reason, does not make what they do illegal.

 They are using the loophole to continue hunting since the IWC is hijacked by ennvironmental activists and unable to do what it is supposed to do, which is regulating hunting. If the IWC sets reasonable quotas for species that are not endangered, I am sure Japan will not mind if the loopholes are closed
 
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