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(USA Today)   The guys who harass the Japanese whalers are officially pirates, says a federal court   (usatoday.com) divider line 299
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2013-02-27 12:14:28 AM  
well they're a kind of pirate....
 
2013-02-27 12:14:49 AM  
I guess that global warming is declining then?
 
2013-02-27 12:14:53 AM  
Well under international maritime law you can hang pirates from the yardarm. Ill gladly buy the rope if it gets those annoying douches off the tv
 
2013-02-27 12:16:41 AM  
♪ We are the pirates... who don't do anything... ♫


/Pirate
//Does *some* things.
 
2013-02-27 12:16:50 AM  
That definition of piracy feels like a stretch.
 
2013-02-27 12:18:32 AM  
So now the RIAA can file an injunction against them.
 
2013-02-27 12:19:01 AM  

Oldiron_79: Well under international maritime law you can hang pirates from the yardarm. Ill gladly buy the rope if it gets those annoying douches off the tv


From a gibbet at the harbor entrance.
 
2013-02-27 12:20:09 AM  
So, is this leading to getting to see Hayden Panettiere in a sexy pirate costume?  Please?
 
2013-02-27 12:20:43 AM  
yeah, somehow I doubt this is going to stop the Sea Shepard's from doing what their doing.
 
2013-02-27 12:21:25 AM  
People that kill whalers deserve the hero tag

/Kill one of the few not evil sapient species, your stupid
 
2013-02-27 12:22:37 AM  
Pirate's vs Ninjas
 
2013-02-27 12:22:46 AM  
Yo ho ho

media.treehugger.com
 
2013-02-27 12:23:18 AM  
Why in the flying f*ck would anyone need to kill a whale to research it?  That institute sounds like a thinly veiled front.  Sort of like those tobacco research institutes that are just pro-cancer lobbyists.
 
2013-02-27 12:23:30 AM  

Oldiron_79: Ill gladly buy the rope if it gets those annoying douches off the tv


It's a shame the way you're forced to sit down and watch it against your will and all.
 
2013-02-27 12:23:39 AM  
bradfordschmidt.com

They fly a pirate flag, so they should be treated as such.
 
2013-02-27 12:24:31 AM  
Why do the Japanese hate all manner of sea life so much?
 
2013-02-27 12:25:04 AM  
Fahk a you Whale and Fahk a you Dolphin!
 
2013-02-27 12:25:43 AM  
Well, shiat, then just start sinking the Japanese boats.  If you are screwed no matter what, then at least accomplish something.

Alternately, you could always bribe a Congressman to attach an amendment to some bill issuing you a letter of marque, so you have legal cover as long as you turn over half your swag (which will be zero, so amazingly easy to pay the bill).  One of my students once pointed out you could set up a table in any (or all) universities in the US and demand payment from the fratboy/athlete/bro-douche set to let them be pirates (ahem, privateers) in your employ.  Even with the 50% rake-off the feds would charge, you would be rolling in dough.  And the Japanese would be wondering why thousands of morons in Zodiacs were bearing down on them in waves.  Really it is a win-win-win-win (no whalers / no carbon-wasters / I have money / the feds pay off the national debt)
 
2013-02-27 12:26:16 AM  
Pretty strange, considering the fact that the Japanese are literally poaching in a protected area. Australia has banned whaling and fueling at sea in that whole zone and the Japanese factory processing ship has repeatedly rammed the Sea Shepard ships from behind and then left the scene.

The Japanese are the ones breaking multiple international laws here.
 
2013-02-27 12:26:17 AM  

albatros183: People that kill whalers deserve the hero tag

/Kill one of the few not evil sapient species, your stupid


*you're
 
2013-02-27 12:26:38 AM  
I would pay top dollar to watch the Japanese hang those fairies.
 
2013-02-27 12:26:54 AM  

notn: yeah, somehow I doubt this is going to stop the Sea Shepard's from doing what their doing.

 
2013-02-27 12:27:37 AM  
Pirates, terrorists...either name fits these whackjobs.  I hope that one day the captain of a bigger ship gets pissed off and rams and sinks their little sea turd.
 
2013-02-27 12:27:42 AM  
While I think that group exploits young people, putting them in absurdly dangerous situations with little or no training, I don't see what a United States court has to say about it.  They're not using US-flagged ships and they're not doing these things in US waters or targeting US-flagged ships.  If Japan has a problem, let Japan deal with it.  If Australia has a problem, let Australia take care of it.  If one of their ship's flag nations has a problem, let them deal with it.  None of those countries needs the US to step in.
 
2013-02-27 12:28:25 AM  

phalamir: Well, shiat, then just start sinking the Japanese boats.  If you are screwed no matter what, then at least accomplish something.

Alternately, you could always bribe a Congressman to attach an amendment to some bill issuing you a letter of marque, so you have legal cover as long as you turn over half your swag (which will be zero, so amazingly easy to pay the bill).  One of my students once pointed out you could set up a table in any (or all) universities in the US and demand payment from the fratboy/athlete/bro-douche set to let them be pirates (ahem, privateers) in your employ.  Even with the 50% rake-off the feds would charge, you would be rolling in dough.  And the Japanese would be wondering why thousands of morons in Zodiacs were bearing down on them in waves.  Really it is a win-win-win-win (no whalers / no carbon-wasters / I have money / the feds pay off the national debt)



Interesting way of looking at it
 
2013-02-27 12:28:37 AM  
Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free...
 
2013-02-27 12:29:08 AM  
Sea Shepherd ships, sailing from Australia, often block or harass whaling vessels from the Institute of Cetacean Research, sometimes resulting in collisions.

i9.photobucket.com

www.timeslive.co.za

Yeah, they're ramming them. On a related note I once beat up a guy by repeatedly hitting his fist with my face.
 
2013-02-27 12:29:23 AM  

Deathfrogg: Pretty strange, considering the fact that the Japanese are literally poaching in a protected area. Australia has banned whaling and fueling at sea in that whole zone and the Japanese factory processing ship has repeatedly rammed the Sea Shepard ships from behind and then left the scene.

The Japanese are the ones breaking multiple international laws here.


Aren't they doing that in international waters that Australia has no control over?
 
2013-02-27 12:31:02 AM  

Ima4nic8or: Pirates, terrorists...either name fits these whackjobs.  I hope that one day the captain of a bigger ship gets pissed off and rams and sinks their little sea turd.


The factory ship the Japanese are using displaces three times what the Bob Barker  does. The Bob Barker has repeatedly been rammed from behind by the Nishin Maru. The Japanese are the ones breaking the law.
 
2013-02-27 12:31:37 AM  

Mugato: Why do the Japanese hate all manner of sea life so much?


It's not that they hate whales, it's that they love them too much!

Love to eat them, that is.  Personally, I don't have a problem with that.  As long as they stick to their legal limits, in accordance to international laws.
 
2013-02-27 12:31:37 AM  
Sea Shepherd activists have collided with Japanese ships in campaign to halt whale hunts.

Haven't Japanese ships deliberately collided with Sea Shepherd ships, ramming and destroying and sinking them?

Has Sea Shepherd ever floated a craft that could ram and sink a whaling ship?

Has a treaty-busting Jap whaling ship ever faced credible threat of being rammed and sunk by a Sea Shepherd zodiac?
 
2013-02-27 12:32:37 AM  

jtown: While I think that group exploits young people, putting them in absurdly dangerous situations with little or no training, I don't see what a United States court has to say about it.  They're not using US-flagged ships and they're not doing these things in US waters or targeting US-flagged ships.  If Japan has a problem, let Japan deal with it.  If Australia has a problem, let Australia take care of it.  If one of their ship's flag nations has a problem, let them deal with it.  None of those countries needs the US to step in.


i think the company is incorporated in the US (Seattle?)
 
2013-02-27 12:33:11 AM  
Well, if the Japanese aren't actually conduction research and instead are harvesting the whales for food (and they are) then this ruling is meaningless.
 
2013-02-27 12:33:32 AM  

phalamir: Well, shiat, then just start sinking the Japanese boats.  If you are screwed no matter what, then at least accomplish something.

Alternately, you could always bribe a Congressman to attach an amendment to some bill issuing you a letter of marque, so you have legal cover as long as you turn over half your swag (which will be zero, so amazingly easy to pay the bill).  One of my students once pointed out you could set up a table in any (or all) universities in the US and demand payment from the fratboy/athlete/bro-douche set to let them be pirates (ahem, privateers) in your employ.  Even with the 50% rake-off the feds would charge, you would be rolling in dough.  And the Japanese would be wondering why thousands of morons in Zodiacs were bearing down on them in waves.  Really it is a win-win-win-win (no whalers / no carbon-wasters / I have money / the feds pay off the national debt)


I been waiting for a pirate resurgence to wipe out global warming. This sounds like just the ticket. Can we get this ball rolling?
 
2013-02-27 12:33:33 AM  
 
2013-02-27 12:35:04 AM  
bradfordschmidt.com
Shepherd.

i9.photobucket.com
Wrecks.
 
2013-02-27 12:36:30 AM  

skinink: So now the RIAA can file an injunction against them.


+1
 
2013-02-27 12:38:23 AM  

WillyChase: phalamir: Well, shiat, then just start sinking the Japanese boats.  If you are screwed no matter what, then at least accomplish something.

Alternately, you could always bribe a Congressman to attach an amendment to some bill issuing you a letter of marque, so you have legal cover as long as you turn over half your swag (which will be zero, so amazingly easy to pay the bill).  One of my students once pointed out you could set up a table in any (or all) universities in the US and demand payment from the fratboy/athlete/bro-douche set to let them be pirates (ahem, privateers) in your employ.  Even with the 50% rake-off the feds would charge, you would be rolling in dough.  And the Japanese would be wondering why thousands of morons in Zodiacs were bearing down on them in waves.  Really it is a win-win-win-win (no whalers / no carbon-wasters / I have money / the feds pay off the national debt)

I been waiting for a pirate resurgence to wipe out global warming. This sounds like just the ticket. Can we get this ball rolling?


Well, the power is explicitly enumerated, and belongs to Congress.  All you need is a Congressman you can bribe and/or who has a sense of humor, and you are one must-pass bill with too many amendments to read away from shivering your timbers legally
 
2013-02-27 12:38:59 AM  

johnny_vegas: jtown: While I think that group exploits young people, putting them in absurdly dangerous situations with little or no training, I don't see what a United States court has to say about it.  They're not using US-flagged ships and they're not doing these things in US waters or targeting US-flagged ships.  If Japan has a problem, let Japan deal with it.  If Australia has a problem, let Australia take care of it.  If one of their ship's flag nations has a problem, let them deal with it.  None of those countries needs the US to step in.

i think the company is incorporated in the US (Seattle?)


Ah.  Then this would be Step 1 in the process of seizing their funds because they're funding terrorist operations.
 
2013-02-27 12:39:22 AM  

albatros183: People that kill whalers deserve the hero tag


Favorited.

/"sociopath"
 
2013-02-27 12:39:48 AM  

Mugato: Why do the Japanese hate all manner of sea life so much?


they don't hate all sea life -- ever seen one of those freaky/creepy pornos where the asian lady does crazy stuff with an octopus?

On a serious note -- If I was out making a living and these hippy douche rockets showed up ramming my boat and being dicks. Yeah I'd have a mounted .50cal on the deck. I think the whaling boats have shown great restraint only using water cannons up until now. They are whaling for food -- what's the problem with that? If they are staying within their quotas and conforming to all international laws on the subject, leave them the fark alone.

You'd probably be pretty pissed if I showed up uninvited to your job, and tore up all your papers, destroyed your computer, and constantly was ramming my chair into your chair.


Since they are pirates now -- do we get to watch some more awesome stuff where they take the hippy cock gobblers out with a sniper shot from a rolling and bobbing boat?
 
2013-02-27 12:41:10 AM  

jtown: While I think that group exploits young people, putting them in absurdly dangerous situations with little or no training, I don't see what a United States court has to say about it.  They're not using US-flagged ships and they're not doing these things in US waters or targeting US-flagged ships.  If Japan has a problem, let Japan deal with it.  If Australia has a problem, let Australia take care of it.  If one of their ship's flag nations has a problem, let them deal with it.  None of those countries needs the US to step in.


The US is involved for a number of reasons:

a) Many (if not all) the Sea Shepherd crew are US nationals.  (This is about as close as one gets to a "flag nation" with the Sea Shepherd--it explicitly does NOT fly under a national flag in an attempt to avoid international jurisdiction with their actions against whaling ships.)
b) More likely, the US is involved due to international maritime treaties that allow ANY country--actually mandate it in some cases--to take action in the event of actions that would be defined as piracy under maritime law.  (Yes, we're a signatory to these, hence why the Navy will sometimes escort ships through the Gulf of Aden.  And, yes, technically, harassing a ship in international waters to make it stop travel or its business whilst explictly flying the Jolly Roger in an attempt to not fly under a flag nation's protecting power and NOT acting under a formal marque of reprisal from a nation does meet the modern definition of piracy.)

/the right way would be for the crew of the Sea Shepherd to get a letter of marque and reprisal from the Australian government--seeing as the latter has technically forbidden whaling in these waters
//yes, letters of marque and reprisal do still exist in international maritime law.  They've not really been used since the 1800s and at the latest possibly WW I (since then, there has been a real shift towards drafting commercial ships into the Merchant Marine during times of warfare--largely because there aren't a whole lot of private vessels that can be converted into battleships or that ARE battleships, and in the case of the US partly because of Constitutional restrictions on issuance of letters of marque) but the provisions still very much exist; Goodyear airships acted in a de facto "quasi privateer" status in WW II (though arguably no legal framework existed for merchant marine airships) and the concept HAS occasionally been proposed as a method to deal with Somalian piracy
 
2013-02-27 12:42:05 AM  
Ha!  I have to wonder if the money spent on outfitting ships to harass the whalers might be better spent trying to educate and shame the Japanese with advertising campaigns.  Sending ships to the Antarctic has got to cost a whole lot of money and what they let happen to the Ady Gil is reprehensible.
 
2013-02-27 12:42:22 AM  

jtown: johnny_vegas: jtown: While I think that group exploits young people, putting them in absurdly dangerous situations with little or no training, I don't see what a United States court has to say about it.  They're not using US-flagged ships and they're not doing these things in US waters or targeting US-flagged ships.  If Japan has a problem, let Japan deal with it.  If Australia has a problem, let Australia take care of it.  If one of their ship's flag nations has a problem, let them deal with it.  None of those countries needs the US to step in.

i think the company is incorporated in the US (Seattle?)

Ah.  Then this would be Step 1 in the process of seizing their funds because they're funding terrorist operations.


ummm..sure, but it probably does make them liable to the 9th districts jurisdiction
 
2013-02-27 12:42:53 AM  
And the japs are just doing scientific research.
 
2013-02-27 12:43:51 AM  

al's hat: shame the Japanese


"shame"? The Japanese?

Is this the very first day in your entire young life you've logged into the Internets?
 
2013-02-27 12:44:42 AM  
Somebody just buy a couple of Russian torpedoes for these guys and sink the fricken Japanese whalers already.

Don't publicize it, don't take credit, sail an unmarked ship and just finish this stuff.


"Killing whales for research on their impact on our fisheries" is a bullshiat reason even if true, and they know it. How many other biological or environmental studies call for the wholesale murder of at-risk species in order to conduct the research? If you have to kill thousands every year, maybe the research isn't that necessary.

Whaling and canning of the meat and forcing it on the younger generations who want nothing to do with it is bullshiat (a large population of Japanese students at my alma mater, and they all tell tales of being forced to eat whale at school). Not to mention random checks of said whale meat has routinely turned up endangered species DNA, and we can call the scientific research part what it is: a red herring.
 
2013-02-27 12:45:18 AM  

Great Porn Dragon: jtown: While I think that group exploits young people, putting them in absurdly dangerous situations with little or no training, I don't see what a United States court has to say about it.  They're not using US-flagged ships and they're not doing these things in US waters or targeting US-flagged ships.  If Japan has a problem, let Japan deal with it.  If Australia has a problem, let Australia take care of it.  If one of their ship's flag nations has a problem, let them deal with it.  None of those countries needs the US to step in.

The US is involved for a number of reasons:

a) Many (if not all) the Sea Shepherd crew are US nationals.  (This is about as close as one gets to a "flag nation" with the Sea Shepherd--it explicitly does NOT fly under a national flag in an attempt to avoid international jurisdiction with their actions against whaling ships.)
b) More likely, the US is involved due to international maritime treaties that allow ANY country--actually mandate it in some cases--to take action in the event of actions that would be defined as piracy under maritime law.  (Yes, we're a signatory to these, hence why the Navy will sometimes escort ships through the Gulf of Aden.  And, yes, technically, harassing a ship in international waters to make it stop travel or its business whilst explictly flying the Jolly Roger in an attempt to not fly under a flag nation's protecting power and NOT acting under a formal marque of reprisal from a nation does meet the modern definition of piracy.)

/the right way would be for the crew of the Sea Shepherd to get a letter of marque and reprisal from the Australian government--seeing as the latter has technically forbidden whaling in these waters
//yes, letters of marque and reprisal do still exist in international maritime law.  They've not really been used since the 1800s and at the latest possibly WW I (since then, there has been a real shift towards drafting commercial ships into the Merchant Marine during times of warfare-- ...


The Sea Shepard ships are flagged in New Zealand and Australia. Australia has claimed sovereignty over the whole southern ocean between Australia and Antarctica, and ANZUS maritime treaties back that claim. The Japanese are poaching in Australian national waters.
 
2013-02-27 12:46:35 AM  
When you ram ships; hurl glass containers of acid; drag metal-reinforced ropes in the water to damage propellers and rudders; launch smoke bombs and flares with hooks; and point high-powered lasers at other ships, you are, without a doubt, a pirate, no matter how high-minded you believe your purpose to be.

Well... yeah, pretty much.  I mean, the actual technical term is "terrorist" or "saboteur", but either of those things done in international waters falls under 'piracy', that's not a stretch at all.

Most of the "privateer" ships of the 1600s claimed to be morally superior, too (and many of the outright pirates, but that's more detailed history).  Didn't make 'em magically not pirates.

//If they were just blocking the ships or chasing the whales off with sonics, might be arguable.  When you're damaging the propulsion of a ship in arctic waters, you go all the way past douchery and come out on the side of outright attempted murder.
 
2013-02-27 12:47:12 AM  
I went on a whaling mission with my Icelandic grandfather in 1984 at the age of 6. We harpooned a couple of small whales (I have pictures of them gutted on the pier but I don't know what species)and it fed a bunch of people in the small town of Isafjordur where he lived. Food was a precious commodity back then and they ate what ever they could get. My grandfather's brother died right in front of him when they were young while repelling down a cliff to get puffin eggs to feed the family.

That being said, these Japanese whalers are likely hunting the whales to make boner pills or something, the more exotic and endangered the harder the boner.
 
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