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(KTUU Alaska)   This is what it looks like when a Boeing 727 lands at a municipal airfield (pics and video at link)   (ktuu.com) divider line 68
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2013-02-26 09:03:15 PM  
 
2013-02-26 11:47:09 PM  
South Africa did it with a 747SP years ago.

I think someone did it at Meigs field with a 727 as well for much the same reasons as today's vid.

Was actually watching 727 videos with my son tonight. Miss that old bird and the distinct whine of three JT8Ds.
 
2013-02-27 12:01:09 AM  
My  airport had a 10k foot runway from when it was a fighter base, so 727's came in for work all the time.
 
2013-02-27 12:14:47 AM  
Fed-ex has a pretty significant presence in Anchorage International Airport (I refuse to call it Ted Stevens airport) where it also houses one of the most advanced, state of the art airplane simulators in the world (or it did a dozen years ago).  They used it to train their pilots and even lease time to other airlines to train their pilots.

I wonder if they still have that polar bear at AIA.
 
2013-02-27 12:25:49 AM  
I got to see it from my office building.  Quite cool seeing the 727 just above the local buildings.

Also LOL:

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2013-02-27 03:49:46 AM  
Will they have to build a giant treadmill to help it take off again if the need arises?
 
2013-02-27 03:52:26 AM  
Ambivalence:

I wonder if they still have that polar bear at AIA.

Yes, several. There is still the huge one in the North (International) Terminal, and two in the South Terminal.
 
2013-02-27 03:55:50 AM  

TheHumanCannonball: Will they have to build a giant treadmill to help it take off again if the need arises?


727s are pretty unique among passenger-class airplanes in that they only require 180ft to achieve liftoff. The treadmill idea won't work because lift is caused by air flowing around the wings, not by how fast its tires are turning. But the old 727 my pop used to own would frequently have to make such short-runway takeoffs due to the mountainous terrain around the airport.
 
2013-02-27 04:14:23 AM  

TheHumanCannonball: Will they have to build a giant treadmill to help it take off again if the need arises?


It won't be.  It's been donated to UAA's aviation department (who has hangar space there) for mechanical practice and won't fly again.
 
2013-02-27 04:22:16 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: 727s are pretty unique among passenger-class airplanes in that they only require 180ft to achieve liftoff.


180ft?? Are you sure? That seems a bit short, especially if it was fitted with older, less efficient engines.
 
2013-02-27 04:25:16 AM  

Soup_In_A_Basket: AverageAmericanGuy: 727s are pretty unique among passenger-class airplanes in that they only require 180ft to achieve liftoff.

180ft?? Are you sure? That seems a bit short, especially if it was fitted with older, less efficient engines.


With the multi-directional exhaust vents, the plane is really quite versatile.
 
2013-02-27 04:35:28 AM  
What it looks like when a C-17 does it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t0dBZTYR4g
 
2013-02-27 04:42:02 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Soup_In_A_Basket: AverageAmericanGuy: 727s are pretty unique among passenger-class airplanes in that they only require 180ft to achieve liftoff.

180ft?? Are you sure? That seems a bit short, especially if it was fitted with older, less efficient engines.

With the multi-directional exhaust vents, the plane is really quite versatile.


It just seemed amazing to me that a full sized jet airliner that was developed in the 1960s (and one that I've flown on several times!) can take off in less distance than I can throw a baseball. Incredible.
 
2013-02-27 04:57:06 AM  
727=Narrowbody
DC-10= Widebody

There's a DC-10 at CARP airport in Ottawa Canada.  Carp has a sub 4000ft runway.  THAT was a landing.
 
2013-02-27 05:02:43 AM  

tiiger: There's a DC-10 at CARP airport in Ottawa Canada.  Carp has a sub 4000ft runway.  THAT was a landing.


Experiencing a DC-10 landing at KOA is amazing.... Lava lava lava lava, Runway, WHAM, Thrust Reversers.
 
2013-02-27 05:22:39 AM  

Soup_In_A_Basket: AverageAmericanGuy: Soup_In_A_Basket: AverageAmericanGuy: 727s are pretty unique among passenger-class airplanes in that they only require 180ft to achieve liftoff.

180ft?? Are you sure? That seems a bit short, especially if it was fitted with older, less efficient engines.

With the multi-directional exhaust vents, the plane is really quite versatile.

It just seemed amazing to me that a full sized jet airliner that was developed in the 1960s (and one that I've flown on several times!) can take off in less distance than I can throw a baseball. Incredible.


That's because the notion is absurd.  A 727 can not takeoff within 120% of its full length.  Unless, maybe, with a 160 mph headwind.
 
2013-02-27 05:27:25 AM  
Did it fly in from 1986?
 
2013-02-27 05:37:48 AM  

Thunderboy: Soup_In_A_Basket: AverageAmericanGuy: Soup_In_A_Basket: AverageAmericanGuy: 727s are pretty unique among passenger-class airplanes in that they only require 180ft to achieve liftoff.

180ft?? Are you sure? That seems a bit short, especially if it was fitted with older, less efficient engines.

With the multi-directional exhaust vents, the plane is really quite versatile.

It just seemed amazing to me that a full sized jet airliner that was developed in the 1960s (and one that I've flown on several times!) can take off in less distance than I can throw a baseball. Incredible.

That's because the notion is absurd.  A 727 can not takeoff within 120% of its full length.  Unless, maybe, with a 160 mph headwind.


Have to admit I've been having some trouble getting my head round that, but now that you put it in those terms, I'm with you.
 
2013-02-27 06:20:37 AM  

Thunderboy: Soup_In_A_Basket: AverageAmericanGuy: Soup_In_A_Basket: AverageAmericanGuy: 727s are pretty unique among passenger-class airplanes in that they only require 180ft to achieve liftoff.

180ft?? Are you sure? That seems a bit short, especially if it was fitted with older, less efficient engines.

With the multi-directional exhaust vents, the plane is really quite versatile.

It just seemed amazing to me that a full sized jet airliner that was developed in the 1960s (and one that I've flown on several times!) can take off in less distance than I can throw a baseball. Incredible.

That's because the notion is absurd.  A 727 can not takeoff within 120% of its full length.  Unless, maybe, with a 160 mph headwind.


Yeah, I don't buy it either.  Valdez has a competition for very tricked out Super Cubs that can take off in about 100' or less, I can't see a 100,000 lb airliner doing it.  Maybe 1,800....

I loved them and hated them.  For a summer job in high school I did cabin service for Delta.  We had a 727 that would come up every few days.  It was LOUD as all hell, and the engines always had a small pool of oil underneath the nacelle.  Never got out of servicing the lavatory on it without stains on the back of my shirt.  One day I wanted to reach up and take some, smear it on the window while a passenger looked, wink, and leave.
 
2013-02-27 06:24:00 AM  
This makes me really glad I don't still live in Fairview. :D Used to have single engine planes flying almost directly overhead on takeoff.
 
2013-02-27 06:32:36 AM  
You lived in Fairview and the airplanes were your worry?
 
2013-02-27 07:20:48 AM  

Soup_In_A_Basket: AverageAmericanGuy: 727s are pretty unique among passenger-class airplanes in that they only require 180ft to achieve liftoff.

180ft?? Are you sure? That seems a bit short, especially if it was fitted with older, less efficient engines.


1,800 if it was an empty 727-100 and had the big engines and no lift kit.  The 727-200 needs 10,000 ft at maximum weight.

There was rocket assist on some 727-200 and JATO was an option but without 130 knot headwind, it is not getting in the air in 180 feet.
 
2013-02-27 07:31:40 AM  
I just checked out the 727 on Wiki, and I hadn't realised what a death trap the thing was!

As of 2010, a total of 325 incidents involving 727s had occurred, including 112 hull-loss accidents resulting in a total of 3,783 fatalities. The 727 has also been in 178 hijackings involving 345 fatalities.

There have also been 3 more incidents since 2010 resulting in a further 215 deaths. Wow.
 
2013-02-27 07:31:51 AM  
Reminds me of when the Antonov An-225 landed in Peoria (where I went to college in the 90s) to load a bunch of Caterpillar equipment... we drove out to see it since my buddy was a huge aviation wonk. It was a real mindfark seeing that gargantuan cargo plane at our comically tiny airport.

/csb
 
2013-02-27 07:35:46 AM  

Charlie Freak: South Africa did it with a 747SP years ago.

I think someone did it at Meigs field with a 727 as well for much the same reasons as today's vid.

Was actually watching 727 videos with my son tonight. Miss that old bird and the distinct whine of three JT8Ds.


Beat me to it -- should've known to check the thread first and see if you'd been by. The Rand 747 is much more spectacular...
 
2013-02-27 07:40:02 AM  
Soup_In_A_Basket:There have also been 3 more incidents since 2010 resulting in a further 215 deaths. Wow.

Most 727 hull loses in the last decade have been the fault of the crappy operators that now use them.  As 727s were pushed out of service in first world airlines largely after the downturn following 9/11, they mostly went to third world operators in South America and Africa, where they are routinely overloaded and operated on improper airfields.
 
2013-02-27 07:49:09 AM  
 
2013-02-27 07:57:14 AM  

Soup_In_A_Basket: Thunderboy: Soup_In_A_Basket: AverageAmericanGuy: Soup_In_A_Basket: AverageAmericanGuy: 727s are pretty unique among passenger-class airplanes in that they only require 180ft to achieve liftoff.

180ft?? Are you sure? That seems a bit short, especially if it was fitted with older, less efficient engines.

With the multi-directional exhaust vents, the plane is really quite versatile.

It just seemed amazing to me that a full sized jet airliner that was developed in the 1960s (and one that I've flown on several times!) can take off in less distance than I can throw a baseball. Incredible.

That's because the notion is absurd.  A 727 can not takeoff within 120% of its full length.  Unless, maybe, with a 160 mph headwind.

Have to admit I've been having some trouble getting my head round that, but now that you put it in those terms, I'm with you.


What he meant was it only requires a minimum of 180ft *with* the treadmill runway.
 
2013-02-27 08:15:28 AM  
Our (formerly military) airport has a 12kft runway. Anyone have a spare B-52 or two? Aside from the one that's a park next to it.
 
2013-02-27 08:18:13 AM  
 
2013-02-27 08:22:50 AM  

Any Pie Left: Amateurs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV4tgjSPgks&playnext=1&list=PL6EE7878 0E EF0B6FC&feature=results_video


Second landing was better than the first one.
 
2013-02-27 08:23:31 AM  
History was mad that day.
 
2013-02-27 08:29:22 AM  
Average American Guy massively trolled us airplane nerds. I mostly kept my nerdiness a secret during high school because of assholes like that:

"Look, a Q-17H9erThirty!"

Much easier to embrace your nerdiness these days and let the anti-intellectuals look like fools.
 
2013-02-27 08:37:09 AM  

Any Pie Left: Amateurs...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV4tgjSPgks&playnext=1&list=PL6EE7878 0E EF0B6FC&feature=results_video


That's the one. As light as it was, he stopped it within less than 3000 feet.

Aah, the nostalgia of the old 80's United colors. Pretty much every airliner I flew on as a kid looked exactly like that (albeit usually not a -100).
 
2013-02-27 08:39:48 AM  
made two flyovers of the Downtown area

So that road is the downtown area?  And I thought where I lived was small...
 
2013-02-27 08:40:57 AM  
Over Macho Grande?
 
2013-02-27 08:46:28 AM  
um i must be missing something but why was it noteworthy?
 
2013-02-27 09:06:37 AM  

DerPups: um i must be missing something but why was it noteworthy?


Short runway.
 
2013-02-27 09:28:12 AM  

DerPups: um i must be missing something but why was it noteworthy?


Most small municipal airports that you see little single engine prop planes flying out of have runways longer than 4000ft.
 
2013-02-27 09:30:11 AM  
What was the narrator's accent?
 
2013-02-27 09:33:01 AM  

Voiceofreason01: DerPups: um i must be missing something but why was it noteworthy?

Most small municipal airports that you see little single engine prop planes flying out of have runways longer than 4000ft.


Maybe that's it but i've definitely seen jets, even short legged regionals such as a 727, on municipal airports before. until i RTFA, all i thought was it was FedEx doing a special delivery, and therefore, cool but not noteworthy.

pretty cool of them to donate an airframe as a static maintenance trainer however.

/the 727 was always my favorite for standing out
//the twin jet common format now is pretty bland as far as eye-pleasing aesthetics.
 
2013-02-27 09:41:20 AM  
What a 727 that veers off the runway may look like

www.aviationarchaeology.com

www.aviationarchaeology.com

Continental Airlines/Air Micronesia, Flight 614, a Boeing 727-92C, N18479, crashed while attempting to land when the right main landing gear separated from the aircraft. The aircraft touched down 13 feet short of the runway.  It gradually veered off and came to rest in the jungle about 1,700 ft beyond the initial touchdown. Fire erupted along the right side of the aircraft as it came to a stop. All 73 on board escaped before fire destroyed the aircraft.  Only three received injuries.
 
2013-02-27 09:44:07 AM  
Sometimes getting TFO is just as impressive. With bonus Aussie commentary.
 
2013-02-27 09:45:32 AM  

JohnCarter: What a 727 that veers off the runway may look like

[www.aviationarchaeology.com image 850x635]

[www.aviationarchaeology.com image 850x635]

Continental Airlines/Air Micronesia, Flight 614, a Boeing 727-92C, N18479, crashed while attempting to land when the right main landing gear separated from the aircraft. The aircraft touched down 13 feet short of the runway.  It gradually veered off and came to rest in the jungle about 1,700 ft beyond the initial touchdown. Fire erupted along the right side of the aircraft as it came to a stop. All 73 on board escaped before fire destroyed the aircraft.  Only three received injuries.


Yep.
 
2013-02-27 09:52:46 AM  

skinbubble: I got to see it from my office building.  Quite cool seeing the 727 just above the local buildings.

Also LOL:

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Waited all day to see it from our building only to get sucked into a meeting 10 minutes before it landed.  Dammit.

Live off of Campbell Lake, so the float planes come in right over our house all summer.  Some very cool machines flying around out there...
 
2013-02-27 10:21:41 AM  

Voiceofreason01: DerPups: um i must be missing something but why was it noteworthy?

Most small municipal airports that you see little single engine prop planes flying out of have runways longer than 4000ft.


4000 feet is a decent length.  My home base has 2700 foot runways.

5000 feet is where jets start to get comfortable.  Big airliner airports can have 14,000 feet.
 
2013-02-27 10:29:33 AM  
You know, in actual fact you can land any type of aircraft on any length of runway. Walking away from it is the tricky part.
 
2013-02-27 11:20:14 AM  
Do that with a full load of cargo instead of an empty aircraft and I'll be impressed.
 
2013-02-27 11:25:35 AM  

skinbubble: Quite cool seeing the 727 just above the local buildings.


Not-so-cool: Seeing the 747 just above the local buildings in 1990 or so, after one of the engines fell off into an apartment building parking lot on take-off and it had to turn around for an emergency landing at ANC.

/okay, it was kinda cool.
 
2013-02-27 11:40:36 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: skinbubble: Quite cool seeing the 727 just above the local buildings.

Not-so-cool: Seeing the 747 just above the local buildings in 1990 or so, after one of the engines fell off into an apartment building parking lot on take-off and it had to turn around for an emergency landing at ANC.

/okay, it was kinda cool.


What?  I have never heard about that one.
 
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