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2013-02-26 07:11:39 PM  
Apparently no-one after the first weekend it was in the theatre.
 
2013-02-26 07:13:12 PM  
Not t--

gaslight: Apparently no-one after the first weekend it was in the theatre.


Damnit.
 
2013-02-26 07:25:04 PM  
I guess non of the money we sent got over there
 
2013-02-26 07:32:22 PM  
I dunno. Coast Guard?
 
2013-02-26 07:32:57 PM  
Amazing how much hate Haiti gets ...
 
2013-02-26 08:27:33 PM  
voices.washingtonpost.com
 
2013-02-26 08:36:59 PM  
Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-02-26 08:41:29 PM  
Probably the same ones watching the ones watching the watchmen.

t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-26 08:42:46 PM  
Who watches the watchmen?

People who enjoy blue dong?

sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...


Haiti is an unfixable hellhole because there is little to no soil left capable of growing crops.  There is no way that country could ever sustain itself.
 
2013-02-26 08:48:32 PM  
Oh great, Sean Penn is going to get all riled up again.  You done did it now U.N., we get to hear from a pissy Penn again.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-26 08:53:37 PM  
The Tontons Macoutes  ?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-26 08:57:05 PM  

GAT_00: Who watches the watchmen?

People who enjoy blue dong?

sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...

Haiti is an unfixable hellhole because there is little to no soil left capable of growing crops.  There is no way that country could ever sustain itself.


Yep.  But there is a reason for that.
 
2013-02-26 08:59:21 PM  

GAT_00: Who watches the watchmen?

People who enjoy blue dong?

sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...

Haiti is an unfixable hellhole because there is little to no soil left capable of growing crops.  There is no way that country could ever sustain itself.


Have you seen a sat photo of hispaniola?  Dominican Republic is doing fine... Haiti is a desert... The screws the French had them under basically drained all the resources.  the rest of us deserve some shiat for screwing them out of the wee local pigs that would eat the scraps, and replacing them with the big-ass pigs that only eat corn that they don't/can't grow on their own... they are so very broken... I'm not sure unfixable, but it's going to be a long ugly road back to sustainability.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-26 09:09:28 PM  
sno man:
Have you seen a sat photo of hispaniola?  Dominican Republic is doing fine... Haiti is a desert... The screws the French had them under basically drained all the resources.  the rest of us deserve some shiat for screwing them out of the wee local pigs that would eat the scraps, and replacing them with the big-ass pigs that only eat corn that they don't/can't grow on their own... they are so very broken... I'm not sure unfixable, but it's going to be a long ugly road back to sustainability.

Haiti has been independent since 1804.  How does this have anything to do with France in modern times?
 
2013-02-26 09:15:21 PM  

sno man: Have you seen a sat photo of hispaniola? Dominican Republic is doing fine... Haiti is a desert...


That's because a dictator in the 1930s made national parks in the DR, because he loved the forest.  The sheer deforestation of Haiti has washed out all their topsoil, not that tropical soil is particularly good at growing crops in the first place.

But Haiti is almost devoid of topsoil and trees and has no economy to import what it needs to start itself up.  It has no legitimate hope of recovery.
 
2013-02-26 09:15:36 PM  
Sam Vimes does.  All the time.
 
2013-02-26 09:20:50 PM  

GAT_00: sno man: Have you seen a sat photo of hispaniola? Dominican Republic is doing fine... Haiti is a desert...

That's because a dictator in the 1930s made national parks in the DR, because he loved the forest.  The sheer deforestation of Haiti has washed out all their topsoil, not that tropical soil is particularly good at growing crops in the first place.

But Haiti is almost devoid of topsoil and trees and has no economy to import what it needs to start itself up.  It has no legitimate hope of recovery.


There is all that earthquake money they don't have yet, but I'm sure we need to meter that out to ensure it never actually helps.
 
2013-02-26 09:25:09 PM  

vpb: sno man:
Have you seen a sat photo of hispaniola?  Dominican Republic is doing fine... Haiti is a desert... The screws the French had them under basically drained all the resources.  the rest of us deserve some shiat for screwing them out of the wee local pigs that would eat the scraps, and replacing them with the big-ass pigs that only eat corn that they don't/can't grow on their own... they are so very broken... I'm not sure unfixable, but it's going to be a long ugly road back to sustainability.

Haiti has been independent since 1804.  How does this have anything to do with France in modern times?


They have been farked since then, yea that long, either way it's fun to blame the French!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-26 09:27:34 PM  
sno man:

Haiti has been independent since 1804.  How does this have anything to do with France in modern times?

They have been farked since then, yea that long, either way it's fun to blame the French!


Well, yes!  Fark the French!
 
2013-02-26 09:32:11 PM  

GAT_00: sno man: Have you seen a sat photo of hispaniola? Dominican Republic is doing fine... Haiti is a desert...

That's because a dictator in the 1930s made national parks in the DR, because he loved the forest.  The sheer deforestation of Haiti has washed out all their topsoil, not that tropical soil is particularly good at growing crops in the first place.

But Haiti is almost devoid of topsoil and trees and has no economy to import what it needs to start itself up.  It has no legitimate hope of recovery.


Sadly, this

/The only way to save the area that is Haiti would be to remove all human habitation for 50 years or so
 
2013-02-26 09:34:47 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: GAT_00: sno man: Have you seen a sat photo of hispaniola? Dominican Republic is doing fine... Haiti is a desert...

That's because a dictator in the 1930s made national parks in the DR, because he loved the forest.  The sheer deforestation of Haiti has washed out all their topsoil, not that tropical soil is particularly good at growing crops in the first place.

But Haiti is almost devoid of topsoil and trees and has no economy to import what it needs to start itself up.  It has no legitimate hope of recovery.

Sadly, this

/The only way to save the area that is Haiti would be to remove all human habitation for 50 years or so


which brings us back to the cholera...
 
2013-02-26 09:45:06 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The only way to save the area that is Haiti would be to remove all human habitation for 50 years or so


Probably more than 100 actually.  In tropical soils, all the minerals that usually exist in soil that make it truly alive are actually present in the forest cover, likely an adaptation made by rain forests to keep minerals from washing away.  That means there is literally nothing for regrowth left in the soil.  What needs to happen is the land to be totally left alone for a complete recovery from what is in effect a dead zone by succession.

sno man: There is all that earthquake money they don't have yet, but I'm sure we need to meter that out to ensure it never actually helps.


Yeah, but all that could do is import topsoil and fertilizer, which would be washed away as soon as the next rain storm hits because there is no tree cover to mitigate it.  As humanitarian as it is to help Haiti, you're really doing nothing more than throwing money away.  The only real solution is to abandon that half of Hispaniola.
 
2013-02-26 10:38:32 PM  

sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...


It started out when the Haitian slaved overthrew the slaveowners and abolish slavery.

So of course the rest of the world, USA in particular (France is kinda a long away from there), placed them under embargo that they've never shook off he ramifications of.
 
2013-02-26 10:39:08 PM  

sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...


Who got the most donations?  Could charities be big business?  Almost as bad as churches?

/fark 'em all.
 
2013-02-26 10:39:16 PM  
t0.gstatic.com

"It says I have an unusually shaped head and the people I freed from bondage will live mostly horrible, short lives"

poor haiti, a really farked up and sad history. guess they shouldn't have made that deal with the devil after all.
 
2013-02-26 10:43:47 PM  
Can we abandon the UN yet?
 
2013-02-26 10:44:06 PM  
Who didn't watch the Watchmen?
 
2013-02-26 10:45:25 PM  
Any time you see lots of well dressed, well off squinty people sitting in one room with a very tall ceiling, run in the other direction and stop for ammo.
 
2013-02-26 10:45:57 PM  
Well the UN meant well.
 
2013-02-26 10:46:46 PM  
(Gah.  I managed to not include the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w )
 
2013-02-26 10:52:33 PM  
Except Labadee...

4.bp.blogspot.com
farm4.staticflickr.com
It's doing great!


/Eat and drink only on the ship
//Don't fark any of the locals
 
2013-02-26 10:52:40 PM  
I think you'd just give them some mirrors they could watch themselves.
 
2013-02-26 10:54:25 PM  
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-02-26 10:54:29 PM  
Very Hyperbolic super intense article spouting all kinds of this and that..

except the part about what happened.
 
2013-02-26 10:58:14 PM  
If a multinational corporation behaved the way the U.N. did in Haiti, it would be sued for stratospheric amounts of money.

Yeah, but whomever sued would loose. The company would be "Too big to fail".

Haiti needs more help than we're willing to give, they have no oil.
 
2013-02-26 11:04:17 PM  
Better the U.N. had done nothing whatever for Haiti then.

In fact it should be disbanded. The U.N., I have been reliably informed not only online but in person several times, will soon quite literally roll tanks up the alley behind my house, bust in the back door, brutalize my family, and take my guns. Not sure what happens after that, but it sounds bad.
 
2013-02-26 11:04:44 PM  
Captain Picard?
 
2013-02-26 11:07:23 PM  

Mrbogey: Well the UN meant well.


That's kind of the point. If there wasn't this sort of immunity, the U.N. and similar international organizations would always have their hands tied due to lawsuits even when they meant well.

The problem isn't the immunity. The problem is that there is no independent mechanism to judge these claims despite immunity in national courts. The U.N. needs a credible, independent arbiter set up for these sorts of scenarios, either an ombudsman within the organization, or a link to the ICJ or a different court.

FTFA: The IOIA was well-intentioned: as legal scholar Kate Cronin-Furman explained in an email, immunity is crucial in enabling international organizations to conduct their day-to-day business. "Immunities are how we ensure that diplomats and international organizations can do their work," she wrote. "It would be impossible for them to function if they had to worry about being arrested or sued all the time." Misdeeds will inevitably go unpunished -- but immunity is still "a feature, not a bug, of the international system," and it wouldn't be a universally accepted concept if it didn't serve some essential and highly practical end.

So don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
 
2013-02-26 11:08:57 PM  

GAT_00: Who watches the watchmen?

People who enjoy blue dong?

sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...

Haiti is an unfixable hellhole because there is little to no soil left capable of growing crops.  There is no way that country could ever sustain itself.


yep.

one side of this image is Haiti. the other is the DR. Guess which is which

info.logicmanager.com
 
2013-02-26 11:09:09 PM  
i46.tinypic.com
& I already have a blue helmet!
 
2013-02-26 11:11:37 PM  
Is it farfetched to think the UN did this on purpose, to get at the true problem of overpopulation?
 
2013-02-26 11:17:19 PM  

GoSurfing: Is it farfetched to think the UN did this on purpose, to get at the true problem of overpopulation?


No sir, not at all. In fact, if you adjust your tinfoil hat juuust so- ah, there!- why now it's perfectly plausible, if not precisely what occurred!
 
2013-02-26 11:20:42 PM  

spawn73: sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...

It started out when the Haitian slaved overthrew the slaveowners and abolish slavery.

So of course the rest of the world, USA in particular (France is kinda a long away from there), placed them under embargo that they've never shook off he ramifications of.


It's funny how a possibly insightful comment goes to shiat when I have to read a sentence multiple times because the grammar distracts me... "the Haitian slaved", "abolish" instead of "abolished", and "never shook off".  WTF?   You must be more drunk than I am and I thought I was pretty far gone at this point.
 
2013-02-26 11:21:27 PM  
Largely the same reasoning why the US won't ratify the of the ICC
 
2013-02-26 11:29:36 PM  

Fell In Love With a Chair: GoSurfing: Is it farfetched to think the UN did this on purpose, to get at the true problem of overpopulation?

No sir, not at all. In fact, if you adjust your tinfoil hat juuust so- ah, there!- why now it's perfectly plausible, if not precisely what occurred!


Exxceelent .. .you've diverted his attention from the pentavirate!

i14.photobucket.comi14.photobucket.comi14.photobucket.comi14.photobucket.comi14.photobucket.com

/.. his wee, beady eyes...
 
2013-02-26 11:31:02 PM  
Aren't you glad you lived through the earthquake?

In Haiti.

After a visit from Carter and Clinton.

Obama said he'd do something, he didn't specifiy when, and there is 4 more years to add to the clock.


/the pilot always has a window seat.
 
2013-02-26 11:31:15 PM  

Fell In Love With a Chair: GoSurfing: Is it farfetched to think the UN did this on purpose, to get at the true problem of overpopulation?

No sir, not at all. In fact, if you adjust your tinfoil hat juuust so- ah, there!- why now it's perfectly plausible, if not precisely what occurred!


Never said that's what I believed, dick. "The most intelligent minds are those that can entertain an idea without necessarily believing it." -Aristotle.

/thoughts, how do they work?
 
2013-02-26 11:33:20 PM  

Fell In Love With a Chair: GoSurfing: Is it farfetched to think the UN did this on purpose, to get at the true problem of overpopulation?

No sir, not at all. In fact, if you adjust your tinfoil hat juuust so- ah, there!- why now it's perfectly plausible, if not precisely what occurred!


noisyastronomer.com
Reading you loud and clear captain!
 
2013-02-26 11:34:57 PM  

bhcompy: Largely the same reasoning why the US won't ratify the of the ICC


Well, the story there is a little different when you consider that the U.S. doesn't want to be held responsible for actions it takes in its specific, national interests, whereas international organizations such as the U.N. don't want to be held responsible for actions they take collectively on behalf of their member states.

And aside from the freedom of action bit, the U.S. also has more hang-ups about allowing its citizens to be tried by outside courts. Because the U.S. constitution creates a court system, a certain segment of the country seems to believe this means that court system is the only valid court system.

And don't get me started on the "a judiciary only makes sense in the context of a domestic balance of powers system" argument.
 
2013-02-26 11:39:02 PM  

GoSurfing: The most intelligent minds are those that can entertain an idea without necessarily believing it.


You mean this "idea"?:

GoSurfing: Is it farfetched to think the UN did this on purpose, to get at the true problem of overpopulation?


You didn't just entertain that idea, you took it out on the town and Instagrammed that joint, bro.
 
2013-02-26 11:39:36 PM  

GoSurfing: Fell In Love With a Chair: GoSurfing: Is it farfetched to think the UN did this on purpose, to get at the true problem of overpopulation?

No sir, not at all. In fact, if you adjust your tinfoil hat juuust so- ah, there!- why now it's perfectly plausible, if not precisely what occurred!

Never said that's what I believed, dick. "The most intelligent minds are those that can entertain an idea without necessarily believing it." -Aristotle.

/thoughts, how do they work?


Nice Aristotle quote...I agree.
 
2013-02-26 11:41:10 PM  
They would have to contend with Interpol cream pie attack.

Hell, I pay extra for that.
 
2013-02-26 11:41:12 PM  
images.tvrage.com
Wanted for questioning
 
2013-02-26 11:47:01 PM  

GoSurfing: Never said that's what I believed, dick. "The most intelligent minds are those that can entertain an idea without necessarily believing it." -Aristotle.


3.bp.blogspot.com
Aristotle also said:
"The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet."
And eat my bitter ass for entertaining idiotic ideas like the UN being capable of doing ANYTHING effectively.
 
2013-02-26 11:51:04 PM  
Upthread you have a bunch of people chiming in saying the only real way to fix Haiti is to remove a significant amount of human inhabitants. I'm not implying the UN had a master plan to reduce the population. My thought is that they simply cheapened out on the "basic sanitation measures" because they figured that if a few people died from cholera, it would be a net-gain, homeostasis-ically speaking. This isn't a conspiracy. Just them (The UN) saying "fark it".
 
2013-02-26 11:51:47 PM  
Nobody.  Nobody watches that opium dream we've run out of super hero ideas so here's a big blue mormon buddha superman with carny freak sidekicks movie.
 
2013-02-26 11:53:28 PM  

BuckTurgidson: You didn't just entertain that idea, you took it out on the town and Instagrammed that joint, bro.


Do you know the difference between a query and a statement? I posed a question, I did not make a declaration, "bro".
 
2013-02-26 11:53:54 PM  

al's hat: spawn73: sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...

It started out when the Haitian slaved overthrew the slaveowners and abolish slavery.

So of course the rest of the world, USA in particular (France is kinda a long away from there), placed them under embargo that they've never shook off he ramifications of.

It's funny how a possibly insightful comment goes to shiat when I have to read a sentence multiple times because the grammar distracts me... "the Haitian slaved", "abolish" instead of "abolished", and "never shook off".  WTF?   You must be more drunk than I am and I thought I was pretty far gone at this point.


It's funny how a comment that rewrites history so America can be blamed is automatically judged "possibly insightful," in spite of its errors in grammar and spelling.

/the DR and Haiti suffered the same judgements and embargoes
//the DR used austerity to pay off their debt, while Haiti pitched a fit over it
///but that doesn't fit the narrative, so it must be ignored
 
2013-02-26 11:56:35 PM  
Whoa, whoa, whoa.  Let me get this straight.  Random UN soldier brings cholera infection to Haiti.  Because its infrastructure was utterly destroyed by an earthquake, Haiti has no real sanitation system, and cholera rapidly spreads through the populace.  How is this the UN's fault?

Do they screen everyone at the Haitian ports and airports for cholera?  Because this could have been any other aid worker just as well...
 
2013-02-26 11:57:20 PM  

GoSurfing: BuckTurgidson: You didn't just entertain that idea, you took it out on the town and Instagrammed that joint, bro.

Do you know the difference between a query and a statement? I posed a question, I did not make a declaration, "bro".


Did I say you did, pal?
 
2013-02-26 11:57:31 PM  
Were Unilever or Coca-Cola responsible for a cholera outbreak that killed 8,000 people and infected 640,000 more, and for subsequently covering up its employees' failure to adhere to basic sanitation standards, it is likely their executives would have difficulty visiting countries claiming universal legal jurisdiction.

While what the UN did might be despicable this line is bullshiat. Corporations cause people's deaths all over the world every day and are rarely held accountable. The only reason BP had to launch their "Please stop suing us!" PR campaign was because their shenanigans effected Americans.
 
2013-02-27 12:03:51 AM  
I dunno, without immunity from prosecution there would have been no aid to Haiti in the first place, it sucks but there's a good-samaritan rule for that very reason, even if the help winds up hindering sometimes.
 
2013-02-27 12:06:55 AM  

Tatterdemalian: al's hat: spawn73: sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...

It started out when the Haitian slaved overthrew the slaveowners and abolish slavery.

So of course the rest of the world, USA in particular (France is kinda a long away from there), placed them under embargo that they've never shook off he ramifications of.

It's funny how a possibly insightful comment goes to shiat when I have to read a sentence multiple times because the grammar distracts me... "the Haitian slaved", "abolish" instead of "abolished", and "never shook off".  WTF?   You must be more drunk than I am and I thought I was pretty far gone at this point.

It's funny how a comment that rewrites history so America can be blamed is automatically judged "possibly insightful," in spite of its errors in grammar and spelling.

/the DR and Haiti suffered the same judgements and embargoes
//the DR used austerity to pay off their debt, while Haiti pitched a fit over it
///but that doesn't fit the narrative, so it must be ignored


Like I said, I've been drinking and after hitting "add comment" I thought about the "possibly insightful" portion of my comment.  I probably should have bolded "possibly insightful".  As a side note, I should probably stop going grammar Nazi after X number of beers due to the possibility/likelihood of committing a grammar/spelling fails myself.  I should also probably go back to the class action beer suit thread and just keep my comments to myself.  ;)
 
2013-02-27 12:07:06 AM  

Tatterdemalian: al's hat: spawn73: sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...

It started out when the Haitian slaved overthrew the slaveowners and abolish slavery.

So of course the rest of the world, USA in particular (France is kinda a long away from there), placed them under embargo that they've never shook off he ramifications of.

It's funny how a possibly insightful comment goes to shiat when I have to read a sentence multiple times because the grammar distracts me... "the Haitian slaved", "abolish" instead of "abolished", and "never shook off".  WTF?   You must be more drunk than I am and I thought I was pretty far gone at this point.

It's funny how a comment that rewrites history so America can be blamed is automatically judged "possibly insightful," in spite of its errors in grammar and spelling.

/the DR and Haiti suffered the same judgements and embargoes
//the DR used austerity to pay off their debt, while Haiti pitched a fit over it
///but that doesn't fit the narrative, so it must be ignored


those slashies are really close [without the rest read totally bullshiat] to (Republican) fantasy, so really should be ignored.
 
2013-02-27 12:51:57 AM  
www.wedapeeps.com
 
2013-02-27 12:58:13 AM  

GoSurfing: Is it farfetched to think the UN did this on purpose, to get at the true problem of overpopulation?


I would love to give them that sort of props, as I believe Haiti is unsalvageable, but I suspect random shiat.
 
2013-02-27 01:05:23 AM  

Valiente: I would love to give them that sort of props, as I believe Haiti is unsalvageable, but I suspect random shiat.


That is how cholera is usually spread.
 
2013-02-27 01:09:43 AM  

vpb: GAT_00: Who watches the watchmen?

People who enjoy blue dong?

sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...

Haiti is an unfixable hellhole because there is little to no soil left capable of growing crops.  There is no way that country could ever sustain itself.

Yep.  But there is a reason for that.


No, believe it or not, "Why Haiti is a shiathole" is one of the few things that's virtually impossible to blame on the United States.
 
2013-02-27 01:17:55 AM  
Ya know... That can make it "legal" for locals to kill U.N. agents... If U.N. personal can't be sued or prosecuted for damages they cause, then it seems logical that locals can't be prosecuted for damage done to U.N. agents.
 
2013-02-27 01:20:51 AM  
Power is farking awesome, isn't it?
 
2013-02-27 01:22:38 AM  

vpb: Haiti has been independent since 1804. How does this have anything to do with France in modern times?


To paraphrase, "Americans think 100 years is a long time and Europeans thinks 100 miles is a long distance"
 
2013-02-27 01:43:32 AM  

vpb: Yep.  But there is a reason for that.


That might have been an interesting article, but I'll never know since you have to "login" to read it.
 
2013-02-27 01:50:53 AM  

sno man: vpb: sno man:
Have you seen a sat photo of hispaniola?  Dominican Republic is doing fine... Haiti is a desert... The screws the French had them under basically drained all the resources.  the rest of us deserve some shiat for screwing them out of the wee local pigs that would eat the scraps, and replacing them with the big-ass pigs that only eat corn that they don't/can't grow on their own... they are so very broken... I'm not sure unfixable, but it's going to be a long ugly road back to sustainability.

Haiti has been independent since 1804.  How does this have anything to do with France in modern times?

They have been farked since then, yea that long, either way it's fun to blame the French!


I thought we were supposed to (NSFW)  blame Canada?
 
2013-02-27 02:13:11 AM  
I think corporate rape by American corporations, along with a need to prevent an uppity bunch of n-s to have their own republic might also be a reason why this country is farked.

/yeah yeah, American exceptionalism
//it's ok when we do it
///if they had only remained house n-s like the Dominican Republic
 
2013-02-27 03:04:06 AM  

Need_MindBleach: vpb: GAT_00: sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...

Haiti is an unfixable hellhole because there is little to no soil left capable of growing crops.  There is no way that country could ever sustain itself.

Yep.  But there is a reason for that.

No, believe it or not, "Why Haiti is a shiathole" is one of the few things that's virtually impossible to blame on the United States.


Yeah, about that.

Despite enjoying widespread support by the majority of Haitians, the Washington Post informed their readers that regime change was looming on 21 November 2003: "Aristide has pushed with mixed success a populist agenda of higher minimum wages, school construction, literacy programs, higher taxes on the rich and other policies that have angered an opposition movement run largely by a mulatto elite that has traditionally controlled Haiti's economy."[16]

After Aristide took office in February 2001, Washington played a leading role in forcing hundreds of millions of dollars in international aid to be cut off, while bolstering a minority opposition led by Haiti's tiny elite. In the three years leading up to the coup, the nation's already moribund economy further deteriorated and the government ground to a halt as the opposition refused to participate in elections. Washington ignored pleas from the Aristide government for an international peacekeeping force as a motley band of armed thugs led by a suspected drug trafficker and fugitive death squad leaders overran more than half the country. US marines in Haiti made no effort to disarm the terrorists. US policy toward Haiti appeared to be a war of attrition, driven by animosity towards Aristide
 
2013-02-27 04:07:50 AM  
The only thing wrong with Haiti is it's run by the Haitian Government.

I'd be willing to bet if they ceded local control to the Dominicans they'd be in better shape.
 
2013-02-27 05:21:47 AM  

vpb: sno man:
Have you seen a sat photo of hispaniola?  Dominican Republic is doing fine... Haiti is a desert... The screws the French had them under basically drained all the resources.  the rest of us deserve some shiat for screwing them out of the wee local pigs that would eat the scraps, and replacing them with the big-ass pigs that only eat corn that they don't/can't grow on their own... they are so very broken... I'm not sure unfixable, but it's going to be a long ugly road back to sustainability.

Haiti has been independent since 1804.  How does this have anything to do with France in modern times?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A_o-nU5s2U
 
2013-02-27 06:17:57 AM  
What a dump
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But Kanye and Lauryn Hill care...
 
2013-02-27 09:03:56 AM  
I was under the impression that Haiti suffered a devastating earthquake and most of their meager infrastructure was smashed.  This typically leads to cholera outbreaks.

FTFA: Brian Concannon, director of the

Or am I mistaken?
 
2013-02-27 09:06:08 AM  
What the hell?

FTFA: Brian Concannon, director of the Institute for Justice and Democracy in Haiti and a lawyer representing Haitian claimants against the U.N. Former president Bill Clinton, the U.N.'s special envoy for Haiti, has admitted that U.N. peacekeepers were responsible for the outbreak

That's better.

What he's admitted is that he's a money grubbing douchebag with a friend at the Atlantic.
 
2013-02-27 09:07:27 AM  

MrBentor: Ya know... That can make it "legal" for locals to kill U.N. agents... If U.N. personal can't be sued or prosecuted for damages they cause, then it seems logical that locals can't be prosecuted for damage done to U.N. agents.


They should sue the earthquake that caused all the damage, but it doesn't have any money, so there you go.
 
2013-02-27 09:08:29 AM  
The UN is not about helping anyone it's purpose is to spread communism~!
 
2013-02-27 09:11:33 AM  
This guy watches the watchers.
i.ytimg.com
 
2013-02-27 09:49:01 AM  

FARK rebel soldier: Valiente: I would love to give them that sort of props, as I believe Haiti is unsalvageable, but I suspect random shiat.

That is how cholera is usually spread.


Actually, cholera is spread not from random shiat, but from someone the shiat of a person who has cholera in a contagious state.

/it's funny how many people still believe in spontaneous generation
//they always call it by a different name, but the belief that life (in this case, vibrio cholerae) just spontaneously appears out of nowhere will never die as long as people can hide behind euphemisms
///NotSayingItWasAliens.jpg
 
2013-02-27 09:51:37 AM  

sno man: The screws the French had them under basically drained all the resources.


I didn't think the french were respnsible for the deforestation...
 
2013-02-27 10:08:57 AM  

Tatterdemalian: pedantry


You're ruining a perfectly good poop joke you know that right?
 
2013-02-27 10:31:13 AM  

FARK rebel soldier: Tatterdemalian: pedantry

You're ruining a perfectly good poop joke you know that right?


Meh, 8000 people dead and the killers immune to any prosecution whatsoever, even though they knew dumping their shiat into the river was wrong but they did it anyhow because it's the traditional way Nepal handles sewage, kind of kills my sense of humor.

/no, I don't think Haitians deserve to die
//they would rather drink water with shiat in it than die of thirst, but apparently this makes them irredeemable in many FARKers eyes
///what's funny is that many FARKers can't comprehend how I can express this view as well as the previous one regarding the difference between DC and Haiti stated above, but that's because they're so sociopathic they think normal people are the real sociopaths
 
2013-02-27 11:39:21 AM  

al's hat: spawn73: sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...

It started out when the Haitian slaved overthrew the slaveowners and abolish slavery.

So of course the rest of the world, USA in particular (France is kinda a long away from there), placed them under embargo that they've never shook off he ramifications of.

It's funny how a possibly insightful comment goes to shiat when I have to read a sentence multiple times because the grammar distracts me... "the Haitian slaved", "abolish" instead of "abolished", and "never shook off".  WTF?   You must be more drunk than I am and I thought I was pretty far gone at this point.


Yeah, I remember having trouble with that sentence.

Anyway, Haiti ended on everyones shiat list in 1805, when the slaves rebelled against slavery and France.

USA was certainly one of the nations that took part in the embargo, and due to their relative location mattered far more than France.
 
2013-02-27 12:14:00 PM  
The U.N. Meh.

And still, some people believe that a single world government would be a good thing.
 
2013-02-27 12:38:37 PM  

liam76: sno man: The screws the French had them under basically drained all the resources.

I didn't think the french were respnsible for the deforestation...


Directly, no.  120ish years of France taking basically everything of value to pay for it's freedom certainly got the ball rolling.
The Duvalier's pretty much jumped into the void post France, sure, but I think you could make a case for France being a bad guy here.
 
2013-02-27 03:46:45 PM  

Loadmaster: The U.N. Meh.

And still, some people believe that a single world government would be a good thing.


alternativemedia.ca

At least it will bring back pageantry into politics again.
I simply cannot wait to see their Illuminati robes!  Silk no doubt.
 
2013-02-27 07:32:00 PM  

sno man: liam76: sno man: The screws the French had them under basically drained all the resources.

I didn't think the french were respnsible for the deforestation...

Directly, no.  120ish years of France taking basically everything of value to pay for it's freedom certainly got the ball rolling.
The Duvalier's pretty much jumped into the void post France, sure, but I think you could make a case for France being a bad guy here.


I don't think they were a good guy, but I thought prior to the revolution it was little different than DR.
 
2013-02-28 01:56:23 AM  
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