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2013-02-26 07:11:39 PM
Apparently no-one after the first weekend it was in the theatre.
 
2013-02-26 07:13:12 PM
Not t--

gaslight: Apparently no-one after the first weekend it was in the theatre.


Damnit.
 
2013-02-26 07:25:04 PM
I guess non of the money we sent got over there
 
2013-02-26 07:32:22 PM
I dunno. Coast Guard?
 
2013-02-26 07:32:57 PM
Amazing how much hate Haiti gets ...
 
2013-02-26 08:27:33 PM
voices.washingtonpost.com
 
2013-02-26 08:36:59 PM
Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-02-26 08:41:29 PM
Probably the same ones watching the ones watching the watchmen.

t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-26 08:42:46 PM
Who watches the watchmen?

People who enjoy blue dong?

sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...


Haiti is an unfixable hellhole because there is little to no soil left capable of growing crops.  There is no way that country could ever sustain itself.
 
2013-02-26 08:48:32 PM
Oh great, Sean Penn is going to get all riled up again.  You done did it now U.N., we get to hear from a pissy Penn again.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-26 08:53:37 PM
The Tontons Macoutes  ?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-26 08:57:05 PM

GAT_00: Who watches the watchmen?

People who enjoy blue dong?

sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...

Haiti is an unfixable hellhole because there is little to no soil left capable of growing crops.  There is no way that country could ever sustain itself.


Yep.  But there is a reason for that.
 
2013-02-26 08:59:21 PM

GAT_00: Who watches the watchmen?

People who enjoy blue dong?

sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...

Haiti is an unfixable hellhole because there is little to no soil left capable of growing crops.  There is no way that country could ever sustain itself.


Have you seen a sat photo of hispaniola?  Dominican Republic is doing fine... Haiti is a desert... The screws the French had them under basically drained all the resources.  the rest of us deserve some shiat for screwing them out of the wee local pigs that would eat the scraps, and replacing them with the big-ass pigs that only eat corn that they don't/can't grow on their own... they are so very broken... I'm not sure unfixable, but it's going to be a long ugly road back to sustainability.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-26 09:09:28 PM
sno man:
Have you seen a sat photo of hispaniola?  Dominican Republic is doing fine... Haiti is a desert... The screws the French had them under basically drained all the resources.  the rest of us deserve some shiat for screwing them out of the wee local pigs that would eat the scraps, and replacing them with the big-ass pigs that only eat corn that they don't/can't grow on their own... they are so very broken... I'm not sure unfixable, but it's going to be a long ugly road back to sustainability.

Haiti has been independent since 1804.  How does this have anything to do with France in modern times?
 
2013-02-26 09:15:21 PM

sno man: Have you seen a sat photo of hispaniola? Dominican Republic is doing fine... Haiti is a desert...


That's because a dictator in the 1930s made national parks in the DR, because he loved the forest.  The sheer deforestation of Haiti has washed out all their topsoil, not that tropical soil is particularly good at growing crops in the first place.

But Haiti is almost devoid of topsoil and trees and has no economy to import what it needs to start itself up.  It has no legitimate hope of recovery.
 
2013-02-26 09:15:36 PM
Sam Vimes does.  All the time.
 
2013-02-26 09:20:50 PM

GAT_00: sno man: Have you seen a sat photo of hispaniola? Dominican Republic is doing fine... Haiti is a desert...

That's because a dictator in the 1930s made national parks in the DR, because he loved the forest.  The sheer deforestation of Haiti has washed out all their topsoil, not that tropical soil is particularly good at growing crops in the first place.

But Haiti is almost devoid of topsoil and trees and has no economy to import what it needs to start itself up.  It has no legitimate hope of recovery.


There is all that earthquake money they don't have yet, but I'm sure we need to meter that out to ensure it never actually helps.
 
2013-02-26 09:25:09 PM

vpb: sno man:
Have you seen a sat photo of hispaniola?  Dominican Republic is doing fine... Haiti is a desert... The screws the French had them under basically drained all the resources.  the rest of us deserve some shiat for screwing them out of the wee local pigs that would eat the scraps, and replacing them with the big-ass pigs that only eat corn that they don't/can't grow on their own... they are so very broken... I'm not sure unfixable, but it's going to be a long ugly road back to sustainability.

Haiti has been independent since 1804.  How does this have anything to do with France in modern times?


They have been farked since then, yea that long, either way it's fun to blame the French!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-26 09:27:34 PM
sno man:

Haiti has been independent since 1804.  How does this have anything to do with France in modern times?

They have been farked since then, yea that long, either way it's fun to blame the French!


Well, yes!  Fark the French!
 
2013-02-26 09:32:11 PM

GAT_00: sno man: Have you seen a sat photo of hispaniola? Dominican Republic is doing fine... Haiti is a desert...

That's because a dictator in the 1930s made national parks in the DR, because he loved the forest.  The sheer deforestation of Haiti has washed out all their topsoil, not that tropical soil is particularly good at growing crops in the first place.

But Haiti is almost devoid of topsoil and trees and has no economy to import what it needs to start itself up.  It has no legitimate hope of recovery.


Sadly, this

/The only way to save the area that is Haiti would be to remove all human habitation for 50 years or so
 
2013-02-26 09:34:47 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: GAT_00: sno man: Have you seen a sat photo of hispaniola? Dominican Republic is doing fine... Haiti is a desert...

That's because a dictator in the 1930s made national parks in the DR, because he loved the forest.  The sheer deforestation of Haiti has washed out all their topsoil, not that tropical soil is particularly good at growing crops in the first place.

But Haiti is almost devoid of topsoil and trees and has no economy to import what it needs to start itself up.  It has no legitimate hope of recovery.

Sadly, this

/The only way to save the area that is Haiti would be to remove all human habitation for 50 years or so


which brings us back to the cholera...
 
2013-02-26 09:45:06 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The only way to save the area that is Haiti would be to remove all human habitation for 50 years or so


Probably more than 100 actually.  In tropical soils, all the minerals that usually exist in soil that make it truly alive are actually present in the forest cover, likely an adaptation made by rain forests to keep minerals from washing away.  That means there is literally nothing for regrowth left in the soil.  What needs to happen is the land to be totally left alone for a complete recovery from what is in effect a dead zone by succession.

sno man: There is all that earthquake money they don't have yet, but I'm sure we need to meter that out to ensure it never actually helps.


Yeah, but all that could do is import topsoil and fertilizer, which would be washed away as soon as the next rain storm hits because there is no tree cover to mitigate it.  As humanitarian as it is to help Haiti, you're really doing nothing more than throwing money away.  The only real solution is to abandon that half of Hispaniola.
 
2013-02-26 10:38:32 PM

sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...


It started out when the Haitian slaved overthrew the slaveowners and abolish slavery.

So of course the rest of the world, USA in particular (France is kinda a long away from there), placed them under embargo that they've never shook off he ramifications of.
 
2013-02-26 10:39:08 PM

sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...


Who got the most donations?  Could charities be big business?  Almost as bad as churches?

/fark 'em all.
 
2013-02-26 10:39:16 PM
t0.gstatic.com

"It says I have an unusually shaped head and the people I freed from bondage will live mostly horrible, short lives"

poor haiti, a really farked up and sad history. guess they shouldn't have made that deal with the devil after all.
 
2013-02-26 10:43:47 PM
Can we abandon the UN yet?
 
2013-02-26 10:44:06 PM
Who didn't watch the Watchmen?
 
2013-02-26 10:45:25 PM
Any time you see lots of well dressed, well off squinty people sitting in one room with a very tall ceiling, run in the other direction and stop for ammo.
 
2013-02-26 10:45:57 PM
Well the UN meant well.
 
2013-02-26 10:46:46 PM
(Gah.  I managed to not include the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w )
 
2013-02-26 10:52:33 PM
Except Labadee...

4.bp.blogspot.com
farm4.staticflickr.com
It's doing great!


/Eat and drink only on the ship
//Don't fark any of the locals
 
2013-02-26 10:52:40 PM
I think you'd just give them some mirrors they could watch themselves.
 
2013-02-26 10:54:25 PM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-02-26 10:54:29 PM
Very Hyperbolic super intense article spouting all kinds of this and that..

except the part about what happened.
 
2013-02-26 10:58:14 PM
If a multinational corporation behaved the way the U.N. did in Haiti, it would be sued for stratospheric amounts of money.

Yeah, but whomever sued would loose. The company would be "Too big to fail".

Haiti needs more help than we're willing to give, they have no oil.
 
2013-02-26 11:04:17 PM
Better the U.N. had done nothing whatever for Haiti then.

In fact it should be disbanded. The U.N., I have been reliably informed not only online but in person several times, will soon quite literally roll tanks up the alley behind my house, bust in the back door, brutalize my family, and take my guns. Not sure what happens after that, but it sounds bad.
 
2013-02-26 11:04:44 PM
Captain Picard?
 
2013-02-26 11:07:23 PM

Mrbogey: Well the UN meant well.


That's kind of the point. If there wasn't this sort of immunity, the U.N. and similar international organizations would always have their hands tied due to lawsuits even when they meant well.

The problem isn't the immunity. The problem is that there is no independent mechanism to judge these claims despite immunity in national courts. The U.N. needs a credible, independent arbiter set up for these sorts of scenarios, either an ombudsman within the organization, or a link to the ICJ or a different court.

FTFA: The IOIA was well-intentioned: as legal scholar Kate Cronin-Furman explained in an email, immunity is crucial in enabling international organizations to conduct their day-to-day business. "Immunities are how we ensure that diplomats and international organizations can do their work," she wrote. "It would be impossible for them to function if they had to worry about being arrested or sued all the time." Misdeeds will inevitably go unpunished -- but immunity is still "a feature, not a bug, of the international system," and it wouldn't be a universally accepted concept if it didn't serve some essential and highly practical end.

So don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
 
2013-02-26 11:08:57 PM

GAT_00: Who watches the watchmen?

People who enjoy blue dong?

sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...

Haiti is an unfixable hellhole because there is little to no soil left capable of growing crops.  There is no way that country could ever sustain itself.


yep.

one side of this image is Haiti. the other is the DR. Guess which is which

info.logicmanager.com
 
2013-02-26 11:09:09 PM
i46.tinypic.com
& I already have a blue helmet!
 
2013-02-26 11:11:37 PM
Is it farfetched to think the UN did this on purpose, to get at the true problem of overpopulation?
 
2013-02-26 11:17:19 PM

GoSurfing: Is it farfetched to think the UN did this on purpose, to get at the true problem of overpopulation?


No sir, not at all. In fact, if you adjust your tinfoil hat juuust so- ah, there!- why now it's perfectly plausible, if not precisely what occurred!
 
2013-02-26 11:20:42 PM

spawn73: sno man: Haiti was a clusterfark way before the earthquake, and hehe we get to blame the French for that.  Since then it's just about everyone's fault. Only about half of all those donations we all made have managed to get there so far too...

It started out when the Haitian slaved overthrew the slaveowners and abolish slavery.

So of course the rest of the world, USA in particular (France is kinda a long away from there), placed them under embargo that they've never shook off he ramifications of.


It's funny how a possibly insightful comment goes to shiat when I have to read a sentence multiple times because the grammar distracts me... "the Haitian slaved", "abolish" instead of "abolished", and "never shook off".  WTF?   You must be more drunk than I am and I thought I was pretty far gone at this point.
 
2013-02-26 11:21:27 PM
Largely the same reasoning why the US won't ratify the of the ICC
 
2013-02-26 11:29:36 PM

Fell In Love With a Chair: GoSurfing: Is it farfetched to think the UN did this on purpose, to get at the true problem of overpopulation?

No sir, not at all. In fact, if you adjust your tinfoil hat juuust so- ah, there!- why now it's perfectly plausible, if not precisely what occurred!


Exxceelent .. .you've diverted his attention from the pentavirate!

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/.. his wee, beady eyes...
 
2013-02-26 11:31:02 PM
Aren't you glad you lived through the earthquake?

In Haiti.

After a visit from Carter and Clinton.

Obama said he'd do something, he didn't specifiy when, and there is 4 more years to add to the clock.


/the pilot always has a window seat.
 
2013-02-26 11:31:15 PM

Fell In Love With a Chair: GoSurfing: Is it farfetched to think the UN did this on purpose, to get at the true problem of overpopulation?

No sir, not at all. In fact, if you adjust your tinfoil hat juuust so- ah, there!- why now it's perfectly plausible, if not precisely what occurred!


Never said that's what I believed, dick. "The most intelligent minds are those that can entertain an idea without necessarily believing it." -Aristotle.

/thoughts, how do they work?
 
2013-02-26 11:33:20 PM

Fell In Love With a Chair: GoSurfing: Is it farfetched to think the UN did this on purpose, to get at the true problem of overpopulation?

No sir, not at all. In fact, if you adjust your tinfoil hat juuust so- ah, there!- why now it's perfectly plausible, if not precisely what occurred!


noisyastronomer.com
Reading you loud and clear captain!
 
2013-02-26 11:34:57 PM

bhcompy: Largely the same reasoning why the US won't ratify the of the ICC


Well, the story there is a little different when you consider that the U.S. doesn't want to be held responsible for actions it takes in its specific, national interests, whereas international organizations such as the U.N. don't want to be held responsible for actions they take collectively on behalf of their member states.

And aside from the freedom of action bit, the U.S. also has more hang-ups about allowing its citizens to be tried by outside courts. Because the U.S. constitution creates a court system, a certain segment of the country seems to believe this means that court system is the only valid court system.

And don't get me started on the "a judiciary only makes sense in the context of a domestic balance of powers system" argument.
 
2013-02-26 11:39:02 PM

GoSurfing: The most intelligent minds are those that can entertain an idea without necessarily believing it.


You mean this "idea"?:

GoSurfing: Is it farfetched to think the UN did this on purpose, to get at the true problem of overpopulation?


You didn't just entertain that idea, you took it out on the town and Instagrammed that joint, bro.
 
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