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2013-02-26 06:13:20 PM  
1. If you are gonna sneak into a movie theater, don't wear something that will stick out.
2. Felony is a bit much. Is this their first time caught? If they have been caught before I could understand the felony charge
 
2013-02-26 06:19:07 PM  
Felony? Try petty theft.
 
2013-02-26 06:19:37 PM  
♫  Why, why, why, Delilah? ♫
 
2013-02-26 06:25:05 PM  
$6.75 is a felony? Gee what card in the deck should I play?
 
2013-02-26 06:29:13 PM  

TommyymmoT: Felony? Try petty theft.


Looks like Indiana law defines any theft, regardless of amount, as a Class D felony:

A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use, commits theft, a Class D felony.

It's absurd to charge them with a felony, though.
 
2013-02-26 06:50:21 PM  

El_Perro: TommyymmoT: Felony? Try petty theft.

Looks like Indiana law defines any theft, regardless of amount, as a Class D felony:

A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use, commits theft, a Class D felony.

It's absurd to charge them with a felony, though.


Can someone with a GED in Law answer this for me? Do those who are convicted of non-violent felonies lose their right to vote/own guns?
 
2013-02-26 07:11:51 PM  
This thread should be  good.

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-02-26 07:22:45 PM  
Charging twelve dollars for buttered popcorn should be a felony.
 
2013-02-26 07:24:55 PM  
Was she caught doing him as he was doing PeeWee?

/dnrta
 
2013-02-26 07:26:43 PM  

El_Perro: It's absurd to charge them with a felony, though.


Doesn't look like they had a choice. Theft is a class D felony in Indiana. Does sound absurd though.
 
2013-02-26 07:27:59 PM  
Will someone start the race baiting already?
 
2013-02-26 07:30:15 PM  

Richard Saunders: Charging twelve dollars for buttered

butter flavored popcorn should be a felony.


Flavored that for ya'
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-26 07:30:46 PM  
Charging twelve dollars for buttered popcorn should be a felony.

There was a class action lawsuit one state to the north claiming expensive theater food violated state consumer protection laws. I read the state law and the lawsuit did not look entirely frivolous. The law forbids selling stuff for much higher prices than normal in the area. Movie food is much more expensive than normal in the area. The lawsuit failed because movie theaters are state-regulated and under Michigan law the state has exclusive power to enforce pricing law in a regulated industry.
 
2013-02-26 07:38:25 PM  
I go to that theater all the time, it's got the only IMAX in the area.
 
2013-02-26 07:39:06 PM  

El_Perro: TommyymmoT: Felony? Try petty theft.

Looks like Indiana law defines any theft, regardless of amount, as a Class D felony:

A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use, commits theft, a Class D felony.

It's absurd to charge them with a felony, though.


So now these Multiplex Bonny and Clyde will be lose their right to vote and to purchase / possess firearms?

Brilliant!
 
2013-02-26 07:40:56 PM  

edmo: $6.75 is a felony? Gee what card in the deck should I play?


It's not $6.75.  It's $13.50.  That's double digits, man.  It seems perfectly reasonable that those people should never be able to vote, own a firearm, or hold a white collar job for the rest of their lives.
 
2013-02-26 07:41:12 PM  
THIS is how to enact successful voter suppression.
 
2013-02-26 07:42:01 PM  
In other news, in a country where a small collection of bankers can dismantle an entire economy and demand to be reimbursed for their time, 6.75 is now felony theft.
 
2013-02-26 07:43:20 PM  
13.50$:    two white teens/ attractive young adults?   eh, time served, pay back the theatre, go pick up litter in the park for a saturday.

couple shown here?   5 - 10yrs, permanent mark on their records.
 
2013-02-26 07:43:59 PM  
Next time, try something petty, like derailing a mortgage banking industry. It's not a crime if involves million$.
 
2013-02-26 07:44:03 PM  
The real crime is that they had to sit through an entire movie starring The Rock.
 
2013-02-26 07:45:24 PM  

bunner: In other news, in a country where a small collection of bankers can dismantle an entire economy and demand to be reimbursed for their time, 6.75 is now felony theft.


www.goldmansachs.com

Problem???
 
2013-02-26 07:45:34 PM  

jtown: edmo: $6.75 is a felony? Gee what card in the deck should I play?

It's not $6.75.  It's $13.50.  That's double digits, man.  It seems perfectly reasonable that those people should never be able to vote, own a firearm, or hold a white collar job for the rest of their lives.


Where I live you can't get one movie ticket and a coke for $13.50.  Maybe a ticket and a third of a coke.  These folks didn't even know they were lucky duckies.
 
2013-02-26 07:45:56 PM  
I realize it's a bad time of the year for this, but can't you have some farking taste in movies if you are going to "steal' them?
 
2013-02-26 07:45:59 PM  

L.D. Ablo: Will someone start the race baiting already?


edmo: $6.75 is a felony? Gee what card in the deck should I play?


Any damn card you can.
 
2013-02-26 07:46:09 PM  
F Them for doing stupid kids stuff.
F The movie theater manager for calling the police.
F The police for not just giving them the trespass warning and send them on their way
F The state for considering petty theft a felony

I hate everyone in this story.  It's a shining example of just how absurd everything has become.
 
2013-02-26 07:46:36 PM  

L.D. Ablo: Will someone start the race baiting already?


Well... they certainly look guilty.

Happy?
 
2013-02-26 07:46:48 PM  

cman: Can someone with a GED in Law answer this for me? Do those who are convicted of non-violent felonies lose their right to vote/own guns?


Don't even need a GED in law.  Convicted of ANY felony, you lose your right to own firearms. Violent or not. Doesn't matter how long ago.  Convicted of any domestic violence misdemeanor, same thing.

Doesn't matter if you've been an awesome person since the Nixon administration... if you fall into those categories, no guns for you. Certain antique firearms and muzzleloaders don't necessarily qualify as "firearms" for the purposes of federal law (your state may vary), so those are a possibility. But if you want anything remotely modern, you either need a pardon, an expungement, or different hobbies.
 
2013-02-26 07:48:13 PM  

cman: Felony is a bit much. Is this their first time caught? If they have been caught before I could understand the felony charge


I can't, unless they have done this many times. Less than $14 is felony theft?

Oh, wait: they're black. So yeah, LOCK 'EM UP!!!!!

*sigh*
 
2013-02-26 07:48:39 PM  

CruiserTwelve: El_Perro: It's absurd to charge them with a felony, though.

Doesn't look like they had a choice. Theft is a class D felony in Indiana. Does sound absurd though.


I'm sure they'll let them plea down to misdemeanor criminal conversion and give them some community service.

/yes, my GED in law is working quite well for me
//thank you
 
2013-02-26 07:49:39 PM  
Thanks for wasting my money prosecuting a couple of petty crimes as felonies, but I guess you have nothing better to do.
 
2013-02-26 07:49:48 PM  
What a shame. She was really good in The Help.
 
2013-02-26 07:50:50 PM  
They paid to see a Dwayne Johnson movie?  Damn right that's a felony.
 
2013-02-26 07:50:56 PM  
Maybe it seems excessive, but then you take into account that these people are probably (definitely, by their own admission) recurring thieves.  Not like they were going to do any good to society any way.
 
2013-02-26 07:52:30 PM  

Amos Quito: bunner: In other news, in a country where a small collection of bankers can dismantle an entire economy and demand to be reimbursed for their time, 6.75 is now felony theft.


www.goldmansachs.com 

Problem???

Why, yes, you rat faced, grinning cocksucker.  There is.
 
2013-02-26 07:53:58 PM  

IRQ12: F Them for doing stupid kids stuff.
F The movie theater manager for calling the police.



The cops were already there:  FTA: "Two off-duty cops working security at the Portage 16 IMAX were standing outside theater #13 as "Snitch" was letting out."


IRQ12: F The police for not just giving them the trespass warning and send them on their way
F The state for considering petty theft a felony

I hate everyone in this story. It's a shining example of just how absurd everything has become.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-26 07:54:21 PM  
I've gotta blame the cinemaplex. Why did they eliminate the double feature, or even the Saturday Matinee? And especially the cartoons at the beginning.
You youngsters just don't know what the megaplex cinemas have cheated you out of.

// Onion. Belt. Knot. Check, Check, Check.
 
2013-02-26 07:54:33 PM  

cman: El_Perro: TommyymmoT: Felony? Try petty theft.

Looks like Indiana law defines any theft, regardless of amount, as a Class D felony:

A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use, commits theft, a Class D felony.

It's absurd to charge them with a felony, though.

Can someone with a GED in Law answer this for me? Do those who are convicted of non-violent felonies lose their right to vote/own guns?


Sounds win/win to me.  Democrats would be losing therir voter constituency, Republicans would be losing their gun nuts.
 
2013-02-26 07:54:43 PM  

guerochuleta: Maybe it seems excessive, but then you take into account that these people are probably (definitely, by their own admission) recurring thieves.  Not like they were going to do any good to society any way.


Yes, because we all know that sneaking into movie theaters is just a gateway to hard core murder, rape, and armed robbery.
 
2013-02-26 07:55:00 PM  

Richard Saunders: Charging twelve dollars for UN-buttered popcorn, and an additional $2.50 for 4 year old melted buttershould be a felony.


FTFY
/junior mints from the freezer are worth it, however.
 
2013-02-26 07:55:29 PM  
The article has it wrong, they were booked on misdemeanor theft and felony ugliness. :P
 
2013-02-26 07:55:49 PM  

Arctic Phoenix: Yes, because we all know that sneaking into movie theaters is just a gateway to hard core murder, rape, and armed robbery.


You misspelled "stockbrokering".
 
2013-02-26 07:56:20 PM  
Felony?  Who the fark is paying their theater employees enough to give a shiat and check their tickets?  If the judge doesnt throw out that case for wasting his time then I hope Indiana gets hit by a ass flavored meteor the size a football field.
 
2013-02-26 07:56:34 PM  
Welcome to A$$hole Nation, folks.
 
2013-02-26 07:57:11 PM  

Arctic Phoenix: guerochuleta: Maybe it seems excessive, but then you take into account that these people are probably (definitely, by their own admission) recurring thieves.  Not like they were going to do any good to society any way.

Yes, because we all know that sneaking into movie theaters is just a gateway to hard core murder, rape, and armed robbery.


No, although I appreciate the laugh, though, but theft costs us all money and it has to do with people's ethical standards.  If people have no ethical standards toward society, what debt does society owe them that they should receive that which they deny to those of us who work to pay for what we consume.
 
2013-02-26 07:57:21 PM  

Amos Quito: IRQ12: F Them for doing stupid kids stuff.
F The movie theater manager for calling the police.


The cops were already there:  FTA: "Two off-duty cops working security at the Portage 16 IMAX were standing outside theater #13 as "Snitch" was letting out."


IRQ12: F The police for not just giving them the trespass warning and send them on their way
F The state for considering petty theft a felony

I hate everyone in this story. It's a shining example of just how absurd everything has become.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 234x215]


Ahh I didn't see that.  Well good on them for making a bit extra money and ruining a few lives here and there over petty victim-less crimes.
 
2013-02-26 07:57:22 PM  
I've done the same thing at the movies at least 20 times. The theaters keep very little of the money from tickets anyways, so when I "double dip" I always pick up a large popcorn and bottle of water in between shows. That $12.50 or so I gave them for concessions made them a hell of a lot more profit than they lost by me sneaking into a second movie.
 
2013-02-26 07:58:04 PM  

bunner: Amos Quito: bunner: In other news, in a country where a small collection of bankers can dismantle an entire economy and demand to be reimbursed for their time, 6.75 is now felony theft.

[www.goldmansachs.com image 193x193] 

Problem???

Why, yes, you rat faced, grinning cocksucker.  There is.



If you thought the "Housing Bubble" was fun, just wait for the "Student Loan" bubble to mature.
 
2013-02-26 07:58:26 PM  

Amos Quito: Richard Saunders: Charging twelve dollars for buttered butter flavored popcorn should be a felony.


Flavored that for ya'


sorry, Amos. Missed this FTFY. You win.
 
2013-02-26 07:58:37 PM  
How do you even get caught doing this? I was at a movie the other night and nothing would have been easier then walking into another movie after mine let out. (I didn't...Die Hard 8 or 9 was so bad it gave me cancer, I didn't even want to see another movie)

At least at this theater they don't even have high school kids making minimum wage guarding the doors. Though they do have a cop at the entrance, so if I did get caught guess I'd have a ride downtown.
 
2013-02-26 07:59:46 PM  

jtown: edmo: $6.75 is a felony? Gee what card in the deck should I play?

It's not $6.75.  It's $13.50.  That's double digits, man.  It seems perfectly reasonable that those people should never be able to vote, own a firearm, or hold a white collar job for the rest of their lives.


No, $6.75 for each, or just charge one of them.  "He/She made me do it!"
 
2013-02-26 08:00:18 PM  

Arctic Phoenix: guerochuleta: Maybe it seems excessive, but then you take into account that these people are probably (definitely, by their own admission) recurring thieves.  Not like they were going to do any good to society any way.

Yes, because we all know that sneaking into movie theaters is just a gateway to hard core murder, rape, and armed robbery.



Even "Sideshow Bob" paid for his ticket.
 
2013-02-26 08:01:03 PM  

guerochuleta: No, although I appreciate the laugh, though, but theft costs us all money and it has to do with people's ethical standards.  If people have no ethical standards toward society, what debt does society owe them that they should receive that which they deny to those of us who work to pay for what we consume.


Not to put too fine a point on it, but apparently those people you described are owed somewhere over 8.8 trillion, Cayman golf outings and bonuses.  These motherfu*ckers were just pulling some dime store, juvenile shenanigans and should get knuckle rapped to the tune of 13.50.
 
2013-02-26 08:01:18 PM  

guerochuleta: Arctic Phoenix: guerochuleta: Maybe it seems excessive, but then you take into account that these people are probably (definitely, by their own admission) recurring thieves.  Not like they were going to do any good to society any way.

Yes, because we all know that sneaking into movie theaters is just a gateway to hard core murder, rape, and armed robbery.

No, although I appreciate the laugh, though, but theft costs us all money and it has to do with people's ethical standards.  If people have no ethical standards toward society, what debt does society owe them that they should receive that which they deny to those of us who work to pay for what we consume.


I agree that theft costs us money, and that it's wrong.  But this level of wrong is just... not really worth anyone's time.  The theater should have told them to leave, told them that if they came back again ever that they'd be arrested, and left it at that.

And WHY they told the police that they had snuck in several other times is beyond me.
 
2013-02-26 08:01:25 PM  

Richard Saunders: Charging twelve dollars for buttered popcorn should be a felony.


If it wasn't for the high cost of concessions, there wouldn't be any movie theaters.
 
2013-02-26 08:01:52 PM  
Cops should not be allowed to work other jobs while wearing their police uniform.
 
2013-02-26 08:02:41 PM  
No way this would stand as a felony in court. I wouldn't even take a plee. 12 bucks doesn't meet the bar for a felony. On the other hand its so ridiculous that I think there is more too it. Outstanding warrants might be the felony part.
 
2013-02-26 08:02:45 PM  

Amos Quito: If you thought the "Housing Bubble" was fun, just wait for the "Student Loan" bubble to mature.


Sorry, I'm in the back row and all I can see is the "lets use these worthless IOUs to leverage every single thing on the planet into a debt issue" bubble.  Business plans.  The big ones are easy to mistake for conspiracies.
 
2013-02-26 08:02:47 PM  

js34603: How do you even get caught doing this? I was at a movie the other night and nothing would have been easier then walking into another movie after mine let out. (I didn't...Die Hard 8 or 9 was so bad it gave me cancer, I didn't even want to see another movie)

At least at this theater they don't even have high school kids making minimum wage guarding the doors. Though they do have a cop at the entrance, so if I did get caught guess I'd have a ride downtown.


Cameras.  Not too hard to notice a couple people break away from the B-line to the exits/bathrooms.
 
2013-02-26 08:04:02 PM  
This crime is so heinous, reprehensible and atrocious that I can only hope Indiana has the death penalty.  Criminals like these, with no regards for the life and livelihood of other people, have no purpose on this planet -- executions is the only logical punishment that could allow them to provide any benefit to society.
 
2013-02-26 08:04:13 PM  
My late uncle was a priest who did this at least one weekend every month.  Sometimes while wearing his collar.
 
2013-02-26 08:05:15 PM  

MrHappyRotter: This crime is so heinous, reprehensible and atrocious that I can only hope Indiana has the death penalty.  Criminals like these, with no regards for the life and livelihood of other people, have no purpose on this planet -- executions is the only logical punishment that could allow them to provide any benefit to society.


4/10.  Spicy.
 
2013-02-26 08:05:30 PM  
You suck, Indiana.
 
2013-02-26 08:05:30 PM  
Next time just see one movie and END IT!
 
2013-02-26 08:05:50 PM  

Amos Quito: bunner: Amos Quito: bunner: In other news, in a country where a small collection of bankers can dismantle an entire economy and demand to be reimbursed for their time, 6.75 is now felony theft.

[www.goldmansachs.com image 193x193] 

Problem???

Why, yes, you rat faced, grinning cocksucker.  There is.


If you thought the "Housing Bubble" was fun, just wait for the "Student Loan" bubble to mature.


Worms or minnows?
 
2013-02-26 08:06:06 PM  

bestie1: No way this would stand as a felony in court. I wouldn't even take a plee. 12 bucks doesn't meet the bar for a felony. On the other hand its so ridiculous that I think there is more too it. Outstanding warrants might be the felony part.


 TommyymmoT: Felony? Try petty theft.

Looks like Indiana law defines any theft, regardless of amount, as a Class D felony:

A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use, commits theft, a Class D felony.

It's absurd to charge them with a felony, though.
 
2013-02-26 08:06:48 PM  

CoonAce: My late uncle was a priest who did this at least one weekend every month.  Sometimes while wearing his collar.


Well, at least he was being true to his faith.  lol
 
2013-02-26 08:07:28 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: cman: Felony is a bit much. Is this their first time caught? If they have been caught before I could understand the felony charge

I can't, unless they have done this many times. Less than $14 is felony theft?

Oh, wait: they're black. So yeah, LOCK 'EM UP!!!!!

*sigh*


I must of read a different story- sounds like they were booked and released- will probably get a fine out of it.  This wasn't the first time for these two- just the first time they got caught.

Nothing mentioned in the article whether they had a history of little petty incidences or not.  Maybe the theater has had a rash of these felonies, had security be on the look out for the first person they could  make an example out of.  Dressing like a 70's pimp- that in itself should be a felony.

It is not a felony for the theater to charge 6.75 for a ticket- there are other venues of entertainment out there that are free.  Movies charging exorbitant prices does not justify theft: you can choose not to purchase tickets if they are too expensive.  Theater owners , on the other hand, are under no obligation to give away free tickets.
 
2013-02-26 08:08:28 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-26 08:10:36 PM  
Cop: You'll have to come with us.

Him: Oh, thank god, she's having a heart attack.  I told that theater person and she said she would call 911.  My wife tried to sit down in the hallway, but slipped on the floor and fell.
 
2013-02-26 08:12:08 PM  
   I always questioned $5 milk duds....I guess thats why they're kept in jewelry display cases.
 
2013-02-26 08:13:26 PM  

i.imgur.com



/Misunderstood conservative is my favorite new meme
 
2013-02-26 08:13:28 PM  

bunner: MrHappyRotter: This crime is so heinous, reprehensible and atrocious that I can only hope Indiana has the death penalty.  Criminals like these, with no regards for the life and livelihood of other people, have no purpose on this planet -- executions is the only logical punishment that could allow them to provide any benefit to society.

4/10.  Spicy.


1/10.  Apparent inability to detect satire.
 
2013-02-26 08:13:45 PM  

clowncar on fire: ArcadianRefugee: cman: Felony is a bit much. Is this their first time caught? If they have been caught before I could understand the felony charge

I can't, unless they have done this many times. Less than $14 is felony theft?

Oh, wait: they're black. So yeah, LOCK 'EM UP!!!!!

*sigh*

I must of read a different story- sounds like they were booked and released- will probably get a fine out of it.  This wasn't the first time for these two- just the first time they got caught.

Nothing mentioned in the article whether they had a history of little petty incidences or not.  Maybe the theater has had a rash of these felonies, had security be on the look out for the first person they could  make an example out of.  Dressing like a 70's pimp- that in itself should be a felony.

It is not a felony for the theater to charge 6.75 for a ticket- there are other venues of entertainment out there that are free.  Movies charging exorbitant prices does not justify theft: you can choose not to purchase tickets if they are too expensive.  Theater owners , on the other hand, are under no obligation to give away free tickets.


You must "of" read a different comment as well, as I have no idea what your comments are addressing, since no one said what the couple did was justified, and commenting on "maybe" is just trollish.

Oh, wait: it's you. Sorry.
 
2013-02-26 08:17:18 PM  

IRQ12: Amos Quito: IRQ12: F Them for doing stupid kids stuff.
F The movie theater manager for calling the police.


The cops were already there:  FTA: "Two off-duty cops working security at the Portage 16 IMAX were standing outside theater #13 as "Snitch" was letting out."


IRQ12: F The police for not just giving them the trespass warning and send them on their way
F The state for considering petty theft a felony

I hate everyone in this story. It's a shining example of just how absurd everything has become.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 234x215]

Ahh I didn't see that.  Well good on them for making a bit extra money and ruining a few lives here and there over petty victim-less crimes.


Theft is not victimless.  Theater loses revenue (keep in mind, these were not the first geniuses to happen upon the idea of sneaking theater to theater, nor were they the only ones doing it that night).  Eventually they must raise ticket prices to cover the freeloaders (they still have to make revenue after the expenses of business) or go out of business as profits dwindle.

There is something very wrong with you when you think thievery has become justifiable.  You think the theater needs to lose revenue- stop patronizing them.  Otherwise, support the rules and keep the ticket prices affordable.
 
2013-02-26 08:20:09 PM  
I think an affirmative defense would be that the theater does not have any sign, placard or other indication that you are limited to seeing the movie on your stub.
 
2013-02-26 08:20:26 PM  
Meanwhile Sideshow Bob slips out the back to arm himself to the teeth, all set to destroy dozens of lives.

Fark you, pigs.
 
2013-02-26 08:20:53 PM  
Why on Earth would you not lie to the cops in this instance?

"Where's your ticket stub?"
"I paid cash and threw it away.  Buh-bye."

Done.
 
2013-02-26 08:21:13 PM  

bunner: MrHappyRotter: This crime is so heinous, reprehensible and atrocious that I can only hope Indiana has the death penalty.  Criminals like these, with no regards for the life and livelihood of other people, have no purpose on this planet -- executions is the only logical punishment that could allow them to provide any benefit to society.

4/10.  Spicy.


Welcome to Fark, where even obvious sarcasm gets a troll score.
 
2013-02-26 08:22:07 PM  
someone was asking how we jail more people per capita than China, well here's your answer.
 
2013-02-26 08:23:09 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: clowncar on fire: ArcadianRefugee: cman: Felony is a bit much. Is this their first time caught? If they have been caught before I could understand the felony charge

I can't, unless they have done this many times. Less than $14 is felony theft?

Oh, wait: they're black. So yeah, LOCK 'EM UP!!!!!

*sigh*

I must of read a different story- sounds like they were booked and released- will probably get a fine out of it.  This wasn't the first time for these two- just the first time they got caught.

Nothing mentioned in the article whether they had a history of little petty incidences or not.  Maybe the theater has had a rash of these felonies, had security be on the look out for the first person they could  make an example out of.  Dressing like a 70's pimp- that in itself should be a felony.

It is not a felony for the theater to charge 6.75 for a ticket- there are other venues of entertainment out there that are free.  Movies charging exorbitant prices does not justify theft: you can choose not to purchase tickets if they are too expensive.  Theater owners , on the other hand, are under no obligation to give away free tickets.

You must "of" read a different comment as well, as I have no idea what your comments are addressing, since no one said what the couple did was justified, and commenting on "maybe" is just trollish.

Oh, wait: it's you. Sorry.


First sentence was aimed at your "lock 'em up" comment.  I was pointing out that no one was locked up for being black- as is usually implied in these threads--  larceny, or anything else.

The rest of my post was a general response to people grumbling about the unjustifiable ticket pricing but not really aimed at anyone in particular.  Sorry I got some on ya!
 
2013-02-26 08:23:45 PM  
I can remember doing this (once) as a kid.  We had a theater in a local mall that was accessed via an escalator (it was upstairs, but it was the ONLY thing upstairs).  The box office was on the first floor, and the ticket-taker was at the bottom of the escalator.  Upstairs was a concession stand in the middle with the individual  theaters around the outside - and the theaters exited back out to the concession stand area.  Made it pretty easy to walk out of a theater in a large crowd, go buy a drink at the concession stand and then just walk into another theater.  My friends and I only did it once (rare case where there were two movies playing at the same time that we actually wanted to see), but I've got to imagine this went on all the time.

Christown Mall in Phoenix for any tanned old-timers.
 
2013-02-26 08:23:46 PM  

shamalamadingdong: Why on Earth would you not lie to the cops in this instance?

"Where's your ticket stub?"
"I paid cash and threw it away.  Buh-bye."

Done.


Exactly, then the race card, "Are you checking all the people in the theater or just the black people?"
 
2013-02-26 08:24:39 PM  

MrHappyRotter: bunner: MrHappyRotter: This crime is so heinous, reprehensible and atrocious that I can only hope Indiana has the death penalty.  Criminals like these, with no regards for the life and livelihood of other people, have no purpose on this planet -- executions is the only logical punishment that could allow them to provide any benefit to society.

4/10.  Spicy.

1/10.  Apparent inability to detect satire.


No, Einstein, that was FOR the satire.  Enjoy your private pissing match.   :  ) *click*
 
2013-02-26 08:28:41 PM  

Glancing Blow: shamalamadingdong: Why on Earth would you not lie to the cops in this instance?

"Where's your ticket stub?"
"I paid cash and threw it away.  Buh-bye."

Done.

Exactly, then the race card, "Are you checking all the people in the theater or just the black people?"


Apparently not al thieves are good liars too.
 
2013-02-26 08:31:45 PM  

Glancing Blow: shamalamadingdong: Why on Earth would you not lie to the cops in this instance?

"Where's your ticket stub?"
"I paid cash and threw it away.  Buh-bye."

Done.

Exactly, then the race card, "Are you checking all the people in the theater or just the black people?"


You really do want to keep the embers of racism fired up don't you.  You would not need to check every person in the theater, just the ones- black or otherwise--  suspected of theft.

Go ahead and try that one on a cop after getting pulled over for speeding.

Simple rule taught as a child: Just because other people are doing wrong does not in any justify what you are doing now.
 
2013-02-26 08:31:51 PM  
Maybe they were Oscars/Film Academy judges?
 
2013-02-26 08:32:28 PM  
This kind of crap never happened until Seth MacFarlane hosted the Academy Awards.
 
2013-02-26 08:34:49 PM  
t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-26 08:35:30 PM  
Should they have sneaked into the second movie?

No.

Di they toss your sainted grandmother out into the snow, flat on her puckered sh*tter because they blew her pension fund on 8 year old Brazilian boy whores and mas fina blow and scotch?

No.

If we don't start getting or priorities straight and stop worshiping "successful" criminals, there's not going to be a lot of impetus for the petty criminals to clean up their acts.

We've created a culture that thrives on "getting away with crap".

No, we really have.

How's it working out?  Come on, we need more Gestapo in here cheerleading in earnest for the dolts who pressed felony charges.

For Freedom!
 
2013-02-26 08:37:10 PM  
The pair reportedly "advised they had snuck into movies at this movie complex 3 to 4 other times."

I think the biggest crime here is stupidity. How hard is to NOT ADMIT PREVIOUS CRIMINAL ACTIVITY?
 
2013-02-26 08:40:35 PM  
Doesn't a felony have to be over $1000?
 
2013-02-26 08:41:23 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Welcome to Fark, where even obvious sarcasm gets a troll score.


The score was for the obvious sarcasm, and it's pseudo inflammatory posture.  Welcome to FARK where people say "Welcome to FARK" like something very important happened.
 
2013-02-26 08:42:16 PM  

Kanemano: someone was asking how we jail more people per capita than China, well here's your answer.


China tends to like more radical methods of behavior correction (caning perhaps) so it's possible to do your time without languishing in prison for a couple of years for minor crimes.
Maybe if we were allowed to open up a can of whoop-ass as an alternative to prison, we might be able to empty our cells a bit too.  As is, our current laws prevent cruel and unusual punishment which includes- apparently-- the lack of cable tv, free weights, conjugal visits, etc.
 
2013-02-26 08:44:01 PM  

clowncar on fire: First sentence was aimed at your "lock 'em up" comment. I was pointing out that no one was locked up for being black- as is usually implied in these threads-- larceny, or anything else.

The rest of my post was a general response to people grumbling about the unjustifiable ticket pricing but not really aimed at anyone in particular. Sorry I got some on ya!


If you've ever seen any of my other posts in the past, you'd note that I only use multiple exclamation points when I am being facetious (because of the usual implications in threads such as these).

Sorry for the confusion.
 
2013-02-26 08:44:42 PM  
OK...enough about $13.50. This guy wore a pair of white denim pants, white denim vest, and a bright red shirt to a  funeral!
 
2013-02-26 08:45:32 PM  

El_Perro: TommyymmoT: Felony? Try petty theft.

Looks like Indiana law defines any theft, regardless of amount, as a Class D felony:

A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use, commits theft, a Class D felony.

It's absurd to charge them with a felony, though.


Unless that theatre is packed, there's not value or use.

It's like using your boss' crappy while their on vacation.

Felony is ridiculous - mess up two people's lives for something like that.
 
2013-02-26 08:47:40 PM  
Indiana is so stupid it gave me CANCER.
 
2013-02-26 08:47:57 PM  

Arctic Phoenix: guerochuleta: Arctic Phoenix: guerochuleta: Maybe it seems excessive, but then you take into account that these people are probably (definitely, by their own admission) recurring thieves.  Not like they were going to do any good to society any way.

Yes, because we all know that sneaking into movie theaters is just a gateway to hard core murder, rape, and armed robbery.

No, although I appreciate the laugh, though, but theft costs us all money and it has to do with people's ethical standards.  If people have no ethical standards toward society, what debt does society owe them that they should receive that which they deny to those of us who work to pay for what we consume.

I agree that theft costs us money, and that it's wrong.  But this level of wrong is just... not really worth anyone's time.  The theater should have told them to leave, told them that if they came back again ever that they'd be arrested, and left it at that.

And WHY they told the police that they had snuck in several other times is beyond me.


The police may have provided that information to the media :)
 
2013-02-26 08:48:16 PM  

Solid State Vittles: The real crime is that they had to sit through an entire movie starring The Rock.


THIS.
In addition to that, charge them with petty theft  of sneaking into the second movie and them charge them with another crime for wanting to watch Warm Bodies.

/really? Twilight with zombies?
 
2013-02-26 08:49:31 PM  

JohnnyC: Doesn't a felony have to be over $1000?


Felony used to cover a wide variety of crimes from petty larceny straight on through to murder.  I believe nowadays it is used to describe any crime that may result in a penalty of one year of prison or more.  Murder is a felony, freeloading at a theater is not.
 
2013-02-26 08:50:46 PM  

Arctic Phoenix: guerochuleta: Arctic Phoenix: guerochuleta: Maybe it seems excessive, but then you take into account that these people are probably (definitely, by their own admission) recurring thieves.  Not like they were going to do any good to society any way.

Yes, because we all know that sneaking into movie theaters is just a gateway to hard core murder, rape, and armed robbery.

No, although I appreciate the laugh, though, but theft costs us all money and it has to do with people's ethical standards.  If people have no ethical standards toward society, what debt does society owe them that they should receive that which they deny to those of us who work to pay for what we consume.

I agree that theft costs us money, and that it's wrong.  But this level of wrong is just... not really worth anyone's time.  The theater should have told them to leave, told them that if they came back again ever that they'd be arrested, and left it at that.

And WHY they told the police that they had snuck in several other times is beyond me.


I always wonder about the true cost of theft if a person was not going to pay for the product in the first place.
 
2013-02-26 08:58:40 PM  
A better punishment would have been to let them watch Warm bodies, that would teach them not to sneak into movies!

And really? The movies are $6.75 in Gary Indiana!
 
2013-02-26 09:01:50 PM  
Sneaky as a couple of ninjas.
 
2013-02-26 09:03:43 PM  

jimmyjackfunk: Solid State Vittles: The real crime is that they had to sit through an entire movie starring The Rock.

THIS.
In addition to that, charge them with petty theft  of sneaking into the second movie and them charge them with another crime for wanting to watch Warm Bodies.

/really?  twilight  Romeo and Juliet with zombies?


I saw it with my kid.  Not the worst zombie/teenage drama ever produced.
 
2013-02-26 09:07:34 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: I can remember doing this (once) as a kid.


I did this once as a teenager. The year was 1977. I know this because the "two" movies were both the original Star Wars. I'd already paid to see it in theaters a dozen times. My friend and I hid in the bathroom, then went back to see it a second time in a row that night.

"You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll kiss three bucks goodbye."
 
2013-02-26 09:09:10 PM  
also claimed they "were at a funeral all day and just were not thinking correctly."

Because after you go to a funeral ... you want to see a comedy about zombies.
 
2013-02-26 09:13:12 PM  

benbenbenbenben: El_Perro: TommyymmoT: Felony? Try petty theft.

Looks like Indiana law defines any theft, regardless of amount, as a Class D felony:

A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use, commits theft, a Class D felony.

It's absurd to charge them with a felony, though.

Unless that theatre is packed, there's not value or use.

It's like using your boss' crappy while their on vacation.

Felony is ridiculous - mess up two people's lives for something like that.


So stealing is alright with you, then?
Ironic how people cheer on a couple of petty theives and then cry because the movie theater is stealing from them by charging too much for a bright colored box of air with a handful of skittles in it.
Stealing is wrong, no matter who does it.  It's one of the driving forces in determining trivial everyday things like ticket prices and how a federal deficit is to be covered (not aimed at aid recpients but at people who scooch out of paying their share of taxes).
 
2013-02-26 09:14:03 PM  

IRQ12: I hate everyone in this story.   It's a shining example of just how absurd everything has become.

 
2013-02-26 09:14:45 PM  

El_Perro: TommyymmoT: Felony? Try petty theft.

Looks like Indiana law defines any theft, regardless of amount, as a Class D felony:

A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use, commits theft, a Class D felony.

It's absurd to charge them with a felony, though.


So in court will the state try to make a case that all parts of the theatres value was denied to the owner. The money they owed to the theatre was not the theatres property even though it was owed.
 
2013-02-26 09:17:29 PM  
 
2013-02-26 09:21:28 PM  
lelio

also claimed they "were at a funeral all day and just were not thinking correctly."

Had that worked it would have been an epic troll.

/ it was worth a try.
 
2013-02-26 09:21:47 PM  

bestie1: El_Perro: TommyymmoT: Felony? Try petty theft.

Looks like Indiana law defines any theft, regardless of amount, as a Class D felony:

A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use, commits theft, a Class D felony.

It's absurd to charge them with a felony, though.

So in court will the state try to make a case that all parts of the theatres value was denied to the owner. The money they owed to the theatre was not the theatres property even though it was owed.


There two types of businesses- one that sells goods, one that sells services.  Entertainment is a provided service of which belongs to the theater.  They will be tried for stealing service as opposed to stealing property.
 
2013-02-26 09:24:08 PM  

Arctic Phoenix: And WHY they told the police that they had snuck in several other times is beyond me.


i54.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-26 09:24:49 PM  
FFS! The DA will dismiss these ridiculous changes before the ink drys on the arrest form. First, it's gonna be damn near impossible to describe exactly what the theft was, they didn't even see the second movie. Second, this is a civil matter. Let the theater sue them if they want their 6 bucks. If the theater is so worried about people sneaking in to a movie they didn't pay for, station an usher at the door to check every ticket. It's not the police job to insure one ticket one movie. The only good outcome here is if the cops that made the arrest are given a 3 day RIP for wasting taxpayers resources. Say you buy a ticket to see movie A. During the movie some asshat decides to eat the ice from his drink for the entire farking movie. You missed so much of the movie, you stay in your seat and watch the movie again. Felony?
 
2013-02-26 09:26:27 PM  

cman: El_Perro: TommyymmoT: Felony? Try petty theft.

Looks like Indiana law defines any theft, regardless of amount, as a Class D felony:

A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use, commits theft, a Class D felony.

It's absurd to charge them with a felony, though.

Can someone with a GED in Law answer this for me? Do those who are convicted of non-violent felonies lose their right to vote/own guns?

In California you only lose your voting privileges while incarcerated or on parole. You can take legal steps to try to retain your gun rights if convicted of a felony that did not result in prison time. If you got probation, or county jail time, you have a shot. If you went to prison you're ass out.

 
2013-02-26 09:27:26 PM  

clowncar on fire: IRQ12: Amos Quito: IRQ12: F Them for doing stupid kids stuff.
F The movie theater manager for calling the police.


The cops were already there:  FTA: "Two off-duty cops working security at the Portage 16 IMAX were standing outside theater #13 as "Snitch" was letting out."


IRQ12: F The police for not just giving them the trespass warning and send them on their way
F The state for considering petty theft a felony

I hate everyone in this story. It's a shining example of just how absurd everything has become.

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Ahh I didn't see that.  Well good on them for making a bit extra money and ruining a few lives here and there over petty victim-less crimes.

Theft is not victimless.  Theater loses revenue (keep in mind, these were not the first geniuses to happen upon the idea of sneaking theater to theater, nor were they the only ones doing it that night).  Eventually they must raise ticket prices to cover the freeloaders (they still have to make revenue after the expenses of business) or go out of business as profits dwindle.

There is something very wrong with you when you think thievery has become justifiable.  You think the theater needs to lose revenue- stop patronizing them.  Otherwise, support the rules and keep the ticket prices affordable.


Shut up assclown. I can say that since I'm a republican

Any entertainment venue that charges petty theft as a felony just lost my patronage. So go ahead start throwing 14 year old kids in the pen for a year. Let's see who feels like spending a night at the police state

I hope these guys fight it. The whole thing will be dropped. No judge is going to go for this.
 
2013-02-26 09:27:27 PM  

bunner: Should they have sneaked into the second movie?

No.

Di they toss your sainted grandmother out into the snow, flat on her puckered sh*tter because they blew her pension fund on 8 year old Brazilian boy whores and mas fina blow and scotch?

No.

If we don't start getting or priorities straight and stop worshiping "successful" criminals, there's not going to be a lot of impetus for the petty criminals to clean up their acts.

We've created a culture that thrives on "getting away with crap".

No, we really have.

How's it working out?  Come on, we need more Gestapo in here cheerleading in earnest for the dolts who pressed felony charges.

For Freedom!


I came here for the Brazilian boy whores and the mas fina blow and scotch....

And freedom.

Aaand I snuck into see Independence Day when I was like, 10.

I forgot where I was going with this.
 
2013-02-26 09:31:16 PM  

99.998er: OK...enough about $13.50. This guy wore a pair of white denim pants, white denim vest, and a bright red shirt to a  funeral!


Well in his defense he is black.
 
2013-02-26 09:32:17 PM  
Sneaky? Yes. Crime? Whoa.

Felony? Yagottabefarkinkiddinme
 
2013-02-26 09:33:08 PM  
Also: * snuck in to

FTFM
 
2013-02-26 09:40:51 PM  

cman: 1. If you are gonna sneak into a movie theater, don't wear something that will stick out.
2. Felony is a bit much. Is this their first time caught? If they have been caught before I could understand the felony charge


You have to feed that "prison-industrial" complex and the justice revenge system.

Besides it gets votes. Everybody has a hard-on for "tough on crime" at election time!
 
2013-02-26 09:42:14 PM  

99.998er: OK...enough about $13.50. This guy wore a pair of white denim pants, white denim vest, and a bright red shirt to a  funeral!



Maybe they're from New Orleans?
 
2013-02-26 09:49:39 PM  

clowncar on fire: /really?  twilight  Romeo and Juliet with zombies?

I saw it with my kid.  Not the worst zombie/teenage drama ever produced.


eh The only version of Romeo and Juliet I ever cared about was by Sir William Shakespeare.  I almost lost my taste for it entirely after Leonardo DiCaprio played in his version.  I seen the previews to Warm Bodies and at first I was like ok it might be good but my daughter went to it with her BF on Valentine's and was simply gushing about it.  I just put two and two together and figured it was Twilight only with corpses.
 
2013-02-26 09:51:06 PM  
From what i've been reading, a felony arrest, even without conviction can limit your employment opportunities.

/note to self: don't wander into the wrong theater in Indiana.
 
2013-02-26 10:03:58 PM  
Google tells me Indiana is the only State that does not have a minimum dollar threshold for making theft a felony.
 
2013-02-26 10:13:13 PM  
fark, i used to do that all the time.
 
2013-02-26 10:13:27 PM  

El_Perro: TommyymmoT: Felony? Try petty theft.

Looks like Indiana law defines any theft, regardless of amount, as a Class D felony:

A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use, commits theft, a Class D felony.

It's absurd to charge them with a felony, though.


But they're black.
 
2013-02-26 10:14:25 PM  

clowncar on fire: IRQ12: ...
Ahh I didn't see that.  Well good on them for making a bit extra money and ruining a few lives here and there over petty victim-less crimes.

Theft is not victimless.  Theater loses revenue (keep in mind, these were not the first geniuses to happen upon the idea of sneaking theater to theater, nor were they the only ones doing it that night).  Eventually they must raise ticket prices to cover the freeloaders (they still have to make revenue after the expenses of business) or go out of business as profits dwindle.

There is something very wrong with you when you think thievery has become justifiable.  You think the theater needs to lose revenue- stop patronizing them.  Otherwise, support the rules and keep the ticket prices affordable.


I consider a victim to be a human(s) that have been directly affected (yes not technically accurate).  I didn't justify the crime or consider their actions not to be a crime, I just know the direct damages are so minuscule it's laughable.

The  real crime here is that they are wasting resources on what could have been handled with a warning and a trespass notice.
 
2013-02-26 10:17:00 PM  
That prison industry isn't going to feed itself, folks. We need to make more petty crimes felonies if we're going to keep them full.
 
2013-02-26 10:34:37 PM  
One officer reported alerting to Lendsey Harbin

Really?
 
2013-02-26 10:44:48 PM  

cman: El_Perro: TommyymmoT: Felony? Try petty theft.

Looks like Indiana law defines any theft, regardless of amount, as a Class D felony:

A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use, commits theft, a Class D felony.

It's absurd to charge them with a felony, though.

Can someone with a GED in Law answer this for me? Do those who are convicted of non-violent felonies lose their right to vote/own guns?


Posted in the comments section:

"Grand theft" or "grand larceny" typically refers to thefts that are usually considered to be felonies (compared to "petty theft" which is typically a misdemeanor). The threshold is based upon the value of the article stolen and is usually $500. However, Indiana makes no such distinction and all thefts are felonies
 
2013-02-26 10:50:39 PM  
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/just because I miss Friday night fun
 
2013-02-26 10:51:52 PM  
I double dipped a few movies as a teenager.

The hardest part about it was finding two movies worth watching that were in theaters at the same time.
 
2013-02-26 10:55:57 PM  
BuckTurgidson

One officer reported alerting to Lendsey Harbin

Really?


Some cops can smell black people like poop on a shoe.
 
2013-02-26 11:06:52 PM  
El_Perro: "TommyymmoT: Felony? Try petty theft.

Looks like Indiana law defines any theft, regardless of amount, as a Class D felony:

A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use, commits theft, a Class D felony.

It's absurd to charge them with a felony, though."



What "property" did they take possession of? Their crime was being in a room they weren't supposed to be in. A charge of trespassing would be appropriate. I could even understand a "theft of services" charge, analogous to sneaking into Disneyland or jumping a subway turnstile. But property theft (felony or otherwise) is bollocks.
 
2013-02-26 11:17:44 PM  

megarian: I forgot where I was going with this.


Ah, it's OK, pookness.  Here, have a sammich.

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-26 11:23:00 PM  
Currently, Indiana law has two different "theft" charges on the books: Conversion, a Class A Misdemeanor, and Theft, a Class D Felony.  Conversion carries a potential penalty of 0-365 days in jail while Theft carries a potential penalty of 6 months to 3 YEARS in prison.  The difference between the two seems to be what kind of mood the prosecutor is in when deciding what charges to file.

As has been pointed out, above, Indiana currently has no minimum threshhold to be charged with a felony, although there IS a bill in front of the General Assembly this session that would set a felony threshhold of, I beleive, $100 to be a felony offense.

It's also worth noting that what the police arrest a person for and what the prosecutor finally charges are often two very different things.  The cops probably told them that they were being arrestedfor theft because it's easier to explain than conversion.  Being that this is Porter County, and the dollar amount involved, I suspect that the prosecutor will ultimately charge conversion, unless there's an extensive criminal history.

/Indiana criminal lawyer
//God, this state makes me drink sometimes
 
2013-02-26 11:25:21 PM  

jtown: edmo: $6.75 is a felony? Gee what card in the deck should I play?

It's not $6.75.  It's $13.50.  That's double digits, man.  It seems perfectly reasonable that those people should never be able to vote, own a firearm, or hold a white collar job for the rest of their lives.


Erm, Indiana is actually one of those states that restores voting rights to felons after they've served their sentence, you know. :D  (Now, Kentucky and Ohio on the other hand DO permanently disenfranchise felons--though KY's legislature is TRYING to get something through to restore voting rights of most felons1 after they've finished their sentences.)

1 Most felonies, with the exception of felony convictions for murder, sexual offenses, or felonies resulting from violation of voting laws.
 
2013-02-26 11:27:34 PM  
I remember as a child, at the holidays, mom and dad would drop us off at the theater with enough cash to get in, and enough for lunch. We'd then go watch three movies for the price of one. Whatever.
 
2013-02-26 11:38:27 PM  
Theft? Really? That's a bit melodramatic. And what did they need two off duty cops working security for? Oh right, there's a shooting at every theater in the nation at least twice a week. Christ, what happened to this country?
 
2013-02-26 11:40:44 PM  
Apparently, in Indiana all theft is grand theft. Stealing a movie ticket is the same class D felony as first-offense car theft (repeat car theft or theft over $100,000 is a class C felony).

However, they have Alternative Misdemeanor Sentencing. I guess this is their way of never having trials for small-time theft because anybody would take that plea in a heartbeat.
 
2013-02-26 11:50:55 PM  
Felony theft?  For $13.50 worth of tickets to go see a crappy movie?

Now that's the REAL crime there.
 
2013-02-27 12:09:32 AM  
Bah.  All of you folks sound like a bunch of criminal lovers.  They get no sympathy from me.  Dont do the crime if you dont want to do the time. Its a particularly appalling crime since what they took is not even remotely close to being something they need.  I could almost understand if they were starving and stole some food but these folks were not going to die if they didnt get to see a free movie.  There is just no excuse.
This kind of crap is why the rest of us pay an arm and a leg just to see a movie.
 
2013-02-27 12:11:42 AM  
When you spend $12 on theater popcorn, what you're really paying for is the inability to take a proper dump for the next three days.
 
2013-02-27 12:12:34 AM  

Mugato: Christ, what happened to this country?


We sold it wholesale to a bunch of dime store attention whores, con artists, gutless thieving pricks and wrinkly old men who own the cops and the courts and wring their peckers and bite their lips whilst daydreaming about the gay S&M dungeon prison industry getting more chow for the maw.  And all for the promise that if we played along, one day people would see us on TeeVee with a German car and granite counters. The new American dream is "shut the f*ck up, don't pester important people and stay off the radar while trying to make the rent."  B*tchin' innit?  So, yeah, post Wiemar Germany, v.2.0.  Hope this clears that up.
 
2013-02-27 12:14:36 AM  

Ima4nic8or: Its a particularly appalling crime


blog.angelatung.com
 
2013-02-27 12:15:36 AM  

Ima4nic8or: Bah.  All of you folks sound like a bunch of criminal lovers.  They get no sympathy from me.  Dont do the crime if you dont want to do the time. Its a particularly appalling crime since what they took is not even remotely close to being something they need.  I could almost understand if they were starving and stole some food but these folks were not going to die if they didnt get to see a free movie.  There is just no excuse.
This kind of crap is why the rest of us pay an arm and a leg just to see a movie.


This raises prices how? Please proceed.
 
2013-02-27 12:17:50 AM  

Ima4nic8or: This kind of crap is why the rest of us pay an arm and a leg just to see a movie


No it isn't.
 
2013-02-27 12:21:02 AM  

Nem Wan: Ima4nic8or: Bah.  All of you folks sound like a bunch of criminal lovers.  They get no sympathy from me.  Dont do the crime if you dont want to do the time. Its a particularly appalling crime since what they took is not even remotely close to being something they need.  I could almost understand if they were starving and stole some food but these folks were not going to die if they didnt get to see a free movie.  There is just no excuse.
This kind of crap is why the rest of us pay an arm and a leg just to see a movie.

This raises prices how? Please proceed.


Duh!  The actors, location rentals, flights, generators, trucking and transfer, lighting, grips, gaffers, wardrobe, makeup, stylists, set decorators, IATSE labor, agent fees, writers royalties, prop masters, hire houses, camera rentals, director's fee, pyro, 40 server CGI farms, audio, foley and location audio teas. not to mention the mix time in a 7.1 room, and 298347598279847584 bootlegged screeners that come out a day after the premiere is just PEANUTS compared to the money lost to poor fat people trying to watch a second movie for free!  Try and keep up with things.
 
2013-02-27 12:30:04 AM  

Mugato: Ima4nic8or: This kind of crap is why the rest of us pay an arm and a leg just to see a movie

No it isn't.


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Gimmie a Spielberger.


/Hold the corn
 
2013-02-27 12:33:38 AM  
I thought that felony was harsh until I read the quote: "I know we done wrong".

For that alone, throw them in prison for the rest of their natural lives.
 
2013-02-27 12:38:06 AM  

Solid State Vittles: The real crime is that they had to sit through an entire movie starring The Rock.


Thank you Sir/Madam.
 
2013-02-27 12:39:45 AM  
Movie piracy could have saved them a lot of hassle
 
2013-02-27 01:28:11 AM  
Call Michelle Obama: she will get them off cause they are colored
 
2013-02-27 01:39:53 AM  

cman: 2. Felony is a bit much.


A BIT much?

Fire the guy who pressed that charge. Not just from his job, but out of a cannot into a field of cacti.
 
2013-02-27 02:16:41 AM  
Felony? seriously? even if you lump in the prior claimed movie sneak ins it not enough cash value to reach felony level.
 
2013-02-27 03:27:59 AM  

grimlock1972: Felony? seriously? even if you lump in the prior claimed movie sneak ins it not enough cash value to reach felony level.


Something just occurred to me when I was thinking  why would someone/anyone would want to change the laws to imprison even petty offenders:

http://www.centerforhealthandjustice.org/FOJ%207-12.pdf
 
2013-02-27 04:34:14 AM  

NightOwl2255: FFS! The DA will dismiss these ridiculous changes before the ink drys on the arrest form. First, it's gonna be damn near impossible to describe exactly what the theft was, they didn't even see the second movie. Second, this is a civil matter. Let the theater sue them if they want their 6 bucks. If the theater is so worried about people sneaking in to a movie they didn't pay for, station an usher at the door to check every ticket. It's not the police job to insure one ticket one movie. The only good outcome here is if the cops that made the arrest are given a 3 day RIP for wasting taxpayers resources. Say you buy a ticket to see movie A. During the movie some asshat decides to eat the ice from his drink for the entire farking movie. You missed so much of the movie, you stay in your seat and watch the movie again. Felony?


You're wrong on several counts. Yes, it is theft and it is a criminal violation, not a civil matter. Some jurisdictions have a separate section for "Theft of Services" as this was, but apparently Indiana does not. Every theft of something under $100,000 in Indiana is a class D felony. Over $100,000 is a class C felony.

Yes, it is the cops' job to ensure one ticket, one movie. The basic job of a cop is to enforce the law, and those two broke the law. They paid to see one movie and snuck into a second. Whether you like it or not and whther you agree with it or not, that is a criminal violation and the cops enforced the law.

If some asshat decides to eat the ice from his drink and causes you to miss much of the movie, the correct course of action would be to complain to the manager and ask for free tickets. If you decide to stay and watch the movie again that's a violation.

If you don't like the law, work to change it. Don't criticise the cops for enforcing a law just because you think the law is unfair.
 
2013-02-27 06:25:38 AM  

farkingismybusiness: What a shame. She was really good in The Help.



I really enjoyed her work in Precious.
 
2013-02-27 07:09:21 AM  
It's sad to see a once-great country well past its prime and in accelerating decline.

It's scary to know that country has nuclear weapons.
 
2013-02-27 08:44:27 AM  

studebaker hoch: I double dipped a few movies as a teenager.

The hardest part about it was finding two movies worth watching that were in theaters at the same time.


It's still that way. I can barely find one movie I want to see in the theatre, let alone two!
 
2013-02-27 10:51:55 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Yes, it is theft and it is a criminal violation, not a civil matter


A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use, commits theft, a Class D felony.

Please explain how sneaking into a second movie in ANY way constitutes theft. Don't bother, you can't because it doesn't. There is simple no criminal action (outside of a possible criminal trespass but after reading the code for criminal trespass in Indiana it's not even that) in this case. None.


CruiserTwelve: Yes, it is the cops' job to ensure one ticket, one movie. The basic job of a cop is to enforce the law, and those two broke the law.


What law did they break? Already cleared up the silly notion they committed a theft. Many events, such as a sporting event, have tired pricing. You move to an empty seat in a higher priced area, by your way of thinking, you just committed a felony. Hell, by your way of thinking, if you drive by a Drive-Inn theater (if there are any left) and dare to look at the screen you just committed a felony.

Give it up. You're wrong, and these silly, unwarranted charges will soon be dropped.
 
2013-02-27 12:23:19 PM  
Next we'll read about somebody getting a felony charge for getting a refill for their coke at a self-service soft drink fountain.
 
2013-02-27 02:24:26 PM  

orclover: Felony?  Who the fark is paying their theater employees enough to give a shiat and check their tickets?  If the judge doesnt throw out that case for wasting his time then I hope Indiana gets hit by a ass flavored meteor the size a football field.


Dude! You taste your meteors??

Don't do that!

Next thing you know, you have grass growing all over your body.


/not obscure, right?!
 
2013-02-27 04:18:05 PM  
Wait. People still Pay to see movies? Spending a boatload of cash,overpriced sodas, sitting through 20 minutes of crap, surrounded by assholes texting/ cell phones, all to sit through a movie that might be crap. If you see a crappy movies, how does one go about getting a refund?
 
2013-02-27 05:15:48 PM  

Ex-Texan: Wait. People still Pay to see movies? Spending a boatload of cash,overpriced sodas, sitting through 20 minutes of crap, surrounded by assholes texting/ cell phones, all to sit through a movie that might be crap. If you see a crappy movies, how does one go about getting a refund?


I dunno, it's fun going to the movies with friends or a girl. I've never had a problem with people on their phones at the theater I go to and I don't bother with the concessions because I have the X-Men power of being able to survive for 2 hours without processed fake butter and cola. So as long as there's still a 2D option with the movie I'm going to see, I like the movie going experience.
 
2013-02-27 06:20:56 PM  

NightOwl2255: Please explain how sneaking into a second movie in ANY way constitutes theft. Don't bother, you can't because it doesn't.


"Theft of services is the legal term for a crime which is committed when a person obtains valuable services - as opposed to goods - by deception, force, threat or other unlawful means, i.e., without lawfully compensating the provider for these services."

Notice that first word.
 
2013-02-27 06:51:13 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: NightOwl2255: Please explain how sneaking into a second movie in ANY way constitutes theft. Don't bother, you can't because it doesn't.

"Theft of services is the legal term for a crime which is committed when a person obtains valuable services - as opposed to goods - by deception, force, threat or other unlawful means, i.e., without lawfully compensating the provider for these services."

Notice that first word.


Lawyer speak aside, "theft" is rather melodramatic for walking into a theater. And having it be a felony is bullshiat.
 
2013-02-27 09:52:40 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Notice that first word.


Okay, noted. Now, explain how sitting in a theater and watching a film that was going to be played any way is stealing a service.

Better call the Chicago cops, there are some major felons, committing major crimes, right out in the open.
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2013-02-28 12:26:49 AM  

Mugato: And having it be a felony is bullshiat.


Agreed.

NightOwl2255: Better call the Chicago cops, there are some major felons, committing major crimes, right out in the open.


Incorrect. Had they snuck in, they'd be criminals. There is no law against sitting on your roof and being able to see something that isn't shielded from view. Just as there is no law against parking outside a drive-in theatre and watching the movie, but there is against sneaking inside the grounds of such and doing the same.
 
2013-02-28 02:48:51 AM  
Those rooftop bleachers are unique to Wrigley Field, and operate nowadays under a royalty deal.
 
2013-02-28 05:42:45 AM  

NightOwl2255: Please explain how sneaking into a second movie in ANY way constitutes theft. Don't bother, you can't because it doesn't. There is simple no criminal action (outside of a possible criminal trespass but after reading the code for criminal trespass in Indiana it's not even that) in this case. None.Give it up. You're wrong, and these silly, unwarranted charges will soon be dropped.


Yes, that is a theft. The theater provides an opportunity to view one movie in exchange for a certain payment. The viewing of a movie is a thing of value. If you sneak into a second movie without paying for the right to watch that movie you've committed theft. If that were not true, it would be lawful to simply sneak into the theater and watch a movie. Obviously it's not.
 
2013-02-28 05:52:08 AM  

NightOwl2255: What law did they break? Already cleared up the silly notion they committed a theft. Many events, such as a sporting event, have tired pricing. You move to an empty seat in a higher priced area, by your way of thinking, you just committed a felony. Hell, by your way of thinking, if you drive by a Drive-Inn theater (if there are any left) and dare to look at the screen you just committed a felony.

Give it up. You're wrong, and these silly, unwarranted charges will soon be dropped.


As I've already explained, they've committed a theft. If you don't believe me, research the case law. In your first example yes, it would be a theft if you paid for a lower priced seat then snuck into the higher priced section. You did not pay to sit in the higher priced section. You stole the difference in value between the lower and higher priced seats.

Your argument that it would be a felony to glance at the screen as you drove past a drive in movie is silly. You pay to enter the drive in movie theater and enjoy the beneifts of sitting closer to the screen and using their audio device. There is no expectation of payment if you're just driving by.
This has nothing to do with "my way of thinking." It's the law. Feel free to research it.
 
2013-02-28 09:28:27 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Yes, that is a theft.


You keep saying that, yet you clearly are unable to explain how it's a theft.

Here is the statute for theft in Indiana.
A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use, commits theft, a Class D felony.

Did they exert control? No. Did they intend to deprive the theater of the movie's value? No. You simply have no theft in this case. None. Nada. No way Jose. In law you can't just say something is illegal, you have to show that a crime was committed. You need to prove intent. Corpus delicti, the body of the crime. Ain't none.

CruiserTwelve: The theater provides an opportunity to view one movie in exchange for a certain payment


That would be a contract. If the projector broke down in the middle of the film and the theater told the paying customers, sorry, no refunds, get out. By your way of thinking, they just committed a felony. Nope. That would be a civil issue. A few years back I paid for tickets to see the Cart race at Texas Motor Speedway. The day of the race, the drivers decided the track was too fast to race on and they canceled the race while people were already in the stands. They took my money and didn't provide the entertainment they had contracted to provide. Not a criminal matter. Civil matter.

It's amusing to think that if you paid to see movie A, and accidentally walk into movie B and watch a minute of the movie you have committed a felony. As you clearly think the crime here was simply entering the theater. Just ain't gonna fly.
 
2013-02-28 05:07:09 PM  

NightOwl2255: You keep saying that, yet you clearly are unable to explain how it's a theft.

Here is the statute for theft in Indiana.
A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use, commits theft, a Class D felony.

Did they exert control? No. Did they intend to deprive the theater of the movie's value? No. You simply have no theft in this case. None. Nada. No way Jose. In law you can't just say something is illegal, you have to show that a crime was committed. You need to prove intent. Corpus delicti, the body of the crime. Ain't none.


To believe your theory, you'd have to believe that a movie has no value. If so, please explain why movies aren't shown for free in theaters. Why isn't my cable TV free? Why can't I take a cab ride for free?

I'm not going to try to prove your argument. That's your responsibility. Having been a cop for forty years, I have seen this type of crime successfully prosecuted numerous times. This is a very clear case of theft. The item of value in a theft case does not have to be a piece of hard merchandise. It can be anything of value, like, say a movie being shown in a theater. Or a cab ride. Or cable TV. Or a massage. Or a car wash. If you receive a service, you are obligated to pay for that service. It's a criminal violation if you don't. A provided service is the property of the person providing the service.  Failing to pay for that service is no dofferent than walking into a store and walking out without paying for merchadise you took. It's a crime.
 
2013-02-28 09:29:00 PM  

CruiserTwelve: To believe your theory, you'd have to believe that a movie has no value. If so, please explain why movies aren't shown for free in theaters. Why isn't my cable TV free? Why can't I take a cab ride for free?


Without knowing it, you are proving my case for me.  To answer your question, the showing of a movie on a screen has no inherent value. It's entertainment. It's a contact, I pay money, they provide entertainment. Just like a sporting event.

I notice that you did not even try to explain how this is thief according to the statute. You just keep repeating it's stealing. As for your examples, you take a cab ride, that's the drives time, the gas and the fact that he could be losing another fare. A massage, again, the time of the masseuse. A car wash, the water, the electricity the equipment uses, the loss of business during the time of the car wash. Notice that in this case, the theater lost nothing. They were going to show the movie any way.

I've shown the statute, I've shown that this "crime" in no way fulfills any element of the crime of theft in Indiana. Now, if Indiana has a theft of services statute, that might be an appropriate charge, but I can't fine one.
 
2013-03-01 03:15:55 AM  

NightOwl2255: I notice that you did not even try to explain how this is thief according to the statute.


I actually explained it quite clearly. You just don't want to accept my explanation. It's impossible to argue with someone whose sole argument is to just yell "You're wrong" louder and louder.  Have a good day sir.
 
2013-03-01 10:32:59 AM  

CruiserTwelve: I actually explained it quite clearly. You just don't want to accept my explanation. It's impossible to argue with someone whose sole argument is to just yell "You're wrong" louder and louder. Have a good day sir.


Really? I quoted the statute, I answered your examples. You, on the other hand, have not provided any proof other that to say, louder and louder, it's theft.

It's very simple, yet as an officer you seem to be completely ignorant how it works. If you are charged with a crime, the prosecutor has the burden to prove the elements of the crime. In this case, the couples actions simply do not met the required elements.

I understand that as a long time LEO you think people should just accept that you know the law, but in this case, you clearly do not.
 
2013-03-01 02:10:45 PM  

NightOwl2255: Really? I quoted the statute, I answered your examples. You, on the other hand, have not provided any proof other that to say, louder and louder, it's theft.

It's very simple, yet as an officer you seem to be completely ignorant how it works. If you are charged with a crime, the prosecutor has the burden to prove the elements of the crime. In this case, the couples actions simply do not met the required elements.


Your argument relies on a belief that the showing of a movie is not a "property." As I explained above, it is. That's a basic principle of law and has been for many years. Here's the definition of property. You'll notice it says "something of value that is owned." That would include the showing of a movie. The theater pays for the right to show the movie, they provide a physical venue in which to view the movie which includes a seat, aheating or cooling system to make the venue comfortable, a sound system, etc. THAT is a thing of value. If you choose to "exert control over" that thing of value without paying the requisite fee to do so, you have committed theft. You have "knowingly or intentionally exerted unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use."

So ask yourself this: If you sneak into a movie, are you taking up a seat that is intended to be taken up by a paying customer? Are you enjoying the benefits of the heating or air conditioning system that was paid for and intended to be enjoyed by paying customers? Are you listening to a state-of-the-art sound system that was paid for by the owners of the theater and intended to be enjoyed by paying customers? Most importantly, are you watching a movie, the right to show which was paid for by the owners of the theater and intended to be watched by paying customers for profit? The clear answer is yes, you are. You are stealing those things. You are "exerting unauthorized control" over those things without paying for the authority to do so. Those things are property paid for and owned by the owners of the theater. You are committing theft.
 
2013-03-01 03:42:02 PM  

CruiserTwelve: If you choose to "exert control over" that thing of value without paying the requisite fee to do so, you have committed theft. You have "knowingly or intentionally exerted unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of its value or use."


I see you've moved the goal post. Now, it's not stealing a service, it's stealing "property". The showing of a movie would be a service, and the only way it's property is as an intellectual property.

CruiserTwelve: Are you enjoying the benefits of the heating or air conditioning system that was paid for and intended to be enjoyed by paying customers? Are you listening to a state-of-the-art sound system that was paid for by the owners of the theater and intended to be enjoyed by paying customers? Most importantly, are you watching a movie, the right to show which was paid for by the owners of the theater and intended to be watched by paying customers for profit?


Here's a good point, an important point. Everything you just listed was going to be provided any way. If the couple would have left, the theater was still going to show the movie, heat (or cool) the air, etc.. The theater can not show any loss. There was no property taken. Again, it comes down to the law, the statute. You claim that by sitting in the theater and watching a few minutes (they arrested them immediately after the film started, which is an important point we'll get to later) of the movie they "exerted control" of property. It's laughable. Here's the definition of exert control over property according to the Indiana statute covering theft.

Sec. 1. (a) As used in this chapter, "exert control over property" means to obtain, take, carry, drive, lead away, conceal, abandon, sell, convey, encumber, or possess property, or to secure, transfer, or extend a right to property.
    (b) Under this chapter, a person's control over property of another person is "unauthorized" if it is exerted:
        (1) without the other person's consent;
        (2) in a manner or to an extent other than that to which the other person has consented;
        (3) by transferring or encumbering other property while failing to disclose a lien, adverse claim, or other legal impediment to the enjoyment of that other property;
        (4) by creating or confirming a false impression in the other person;
        (5) by failing to correct a false impression that the person knows is influencing the other person, if the person stands in a relationship of special trust to the other person;
        (6) by promising performance that the person knows will not be performed;
        (7) by expressing an intention to damage the property or impair the rights of any other person; or
        (8) by transferring or reproducing:
            (A) recorded sounds; or
            (B) a live performance;
without consent of the owner of the master recording or the live performance, with intent to distribute the reproductions for a profit.
    (c) As used in this chapter, "receiving" means acquiring possession or control of or title to property, or lending on the security of property.

Nope, not even close.
Now, back to that point, they waited until the movie actually started to arrest them. After the ads and previews had finished. The arresting cops obviously thought it was the actual viewing of the movie was the theft, not the use of the AC, or anything else you listed. Since we've already cleared up that simply watching a movie without paying is not a violation (i.e. the drive in movie)  the cops actions reinforce my position, no theft occured.
 
2013-03-01 10:36:02 PM  

NightOwl2255: the cops actions reinforce my position, no theft occured.


Actually the cops' actions did just the opposite. They arrested the people for theft. Obviously the cops felt a theft had occurred.

I give up. The controlling issue here if the definition of "property," and the viewing of a movie is just that. You provided the definition of what it is to exert control over property. Without defining what property is, that is meaningless.

Glancing at a drive-in movie as you pass is not theft. Look up "intent" and you'lll see why. Intent is a necessary element to theft and it's even included in the Indiana theft statute.

The fact that they were going to show the movie anyways means nothing. Can I sneak onto an airplane and go to Chicago because the plane was going there anyways? Of course not. That would be theft, just as watching a movie without paying is. Call a lawyer and get his or her opinion. You just continue to refuse to accept the facts.
 
2013-03-02 12:22:42 AM  

CruiserTwelve: I give up


Doesn't seem like it.

CruiserTwelve: The controlling issue here if the definition of "property," and the viewing of a movie is just that.


The projection of light through a strip of celluloid is property. Yes, you should give up. That's beyond silly.

CruiserTwelve: Can I sneak onto an airplane and go to Chicago because the plane was going there anyways?


The airline can show a loss, the additional amount of fuel it used to fly you to Chicago.

Now, answer my question, if the film breaks in the middle of the showing, and the theater refuses to refund money, is that a felony? Or would that be a civil matter?
 
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