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(Salon)   Thomas Pynchon's next novel will be about a pre-September 11th, 2001 New York. No word if he realized Don DeLillo did it first   (salon.com) divider line 61
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2013-02-26 02:26:23 PM
 
2013-02-26 02:39:17 PM
Oh, man, I cannot wait for this--what an interesting topic for him to write on.  He's wow, he's certainly getting much more prolific in his old age.  After going 17 years between Gravity's Rainbow and Vineland, this will be his 4th book in the last 15 years or so.

Hey, maybe I can get an autographed copy when he does his promotional book tour!
 
2013-02-26 03:07:02 PM
I liked him in Perfect Strangers.
 
2013-02-26 03:17:22 PM
Gravity's Rainbow sucked

/that's right I said it.
 
2013-02-26 03:20:08 PM
This is kind of a weird press release "Author to write a book!" -- well, yes, that's what they do... wouldn't it be better to make a big announcement when it's at least approaching completion?

I understand you want to build hype for it, but how long will it be until the book sees light of day? Also, what happens when he realizes halfway through to change the focus of the book and it's only tangentially related to the press release?
 
2013-02-26 03:45:54 PM
Was there a time before Sept 11, 2001? Many people *cough*  nutbags *cough* seem to deny it, or at least speak only of 9/11! and turrists! and glass parking lot!
 
2013-02-26 04:08:05 PM
...except that DeLillo's books are dull, and Pynchon's are obtuse.
 
2013-02-26 04:09:04 PM

Donnchadha: This is kind of a weird press release "Author to write a book!" -- well, yes, that's what they do... wouldn't it be better to make a big announcement when it's at least approaching completion?


In Pynchon's case "Author to write a book"  is in fact news, considering he's averaging about one novel per decade.
 
2013-02-26 04:10:13 PM
1: Who?

2: What mind shatteringly controversial and new and not at all trodden into the ground more than farking zombies and bacon territory he is covering! If he could work a ninja and katanas in there bed have a sure fire win!
 
2013-02-26 04:12:46 PM

InmanRoshi: he's averaging about one novel per decade.


Actually, it's one every 6.25 years now.
 
2013-02-26 04:13:31 PM

Voiceofreason01: Gravity's Rainbow sucked

/that's right I said it.


How can you tell?
 
kab
2013-02-26 04:14:25 PM

Voiceofreason01: Gravity's Rainbow sucked

/that's right I said it.


I didn't subject myself to that one, but I did get through 'Against the Day'.

It's rare that you'll find a better example of an author who has an almost unmatched ability to use language to convey, while at the same time demonstrating a complete inability to tell a remotely cohesive or compelling story.

Whoever penned the 'tl;dr' thing had to be reading a Pynchon novel.
 
2013-02-26 04:17:06 PM
Hey, whatever happened to that Dan Brown guy?
 
2013-02-26 04:19:53 PM
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-26 04:25:18 PM

kab: Voiceofreason01: Gravity's Rainbow sucked

/that's right I said it.

I didn't subject myself to that one, but I did get through 'Against the Day'.

It's rare that you'll find a better example of an author who has an almost unmatched ability to use language to convey, while at the same time demonstrating a complete inability to tell a remotely cohesive or compelling story.

Whoever penned the 'tl;dr' thing had to be reading a Pynchon novel.


i0.kym-cdn.comAccurate. It's a tragedy that he's inspired a generation or more of writers to develop in his style, too.
 
2013-02-26 04:37:13 PM
His novels aren't complicated enough to take as long as they do so he must have a busy day job. Or his method sucks and he hasn't gotten the hang of word processing.
 
2013-02-26 04:46:56 PM

calbert: I liked him in Perfect Strangers.


Get out of the city.
 
2013-02-26 04:51:14 PM
Good news; good fun. Oh, whichever side of the Pynchon divide you fall on, give Gaddis a spin. JR is a good place to start.
 
2013-02-26 04:58:09 PM
Is it weird that I am reading both V. and White Noise right now? I must say the headline made my coincidenterator go *bing*.
 
2013-02-26 05:14:28 PM

Voiceofreason01: Gravity's Rainbow sucked

/that's right I said it.


It's not the book, it's you.
 
2013-02-26 05:17:24 PM

feanorn: Good news; good fun. Oh, whichever side of the Pynchon divide you fall on, give Gaddis a spin. JR is a good place to start.




Finally have read all of Pynchon after cranking out Vineland a few months ago, reading The Recognitions now. Excellent so far, but kinda slow going. Two months in and I'm only at 39%.

/Love Pynchon and DeLillo, for (mostly) different reasons
//YMMV
 
2013-02-26 05:25:45 PM
Damn, I enjoyed Slow Learner and just picked up The Crying of Lot - whatever and Vineland to get back into reading. Thanks for letting me know that was a mistake, Fark!
 
2013-02-26 05:27:14 PM

RevCarter: It's not the book, it's you.


Pretty sure it's the book

/I'm also comfortable blaming Pynchon for being an insufferably pretentious quack
 
2013-02-26 05:28:31 PM

studs up: Is it weird that I am reading both V. and White Noise right now? I must say the headline made my coincidenterator go *bing*.


I like Pynchon a whole helluva lot, but I have to say that V. was the one book of his that I simply could not get into, and quit on about halfway through.  (OK, I admit that I quit on Gravity's Rainbow before finishing it, too, but that wasn't because I didn't get into it--I did, but I've never had the month or so block of time available that's necessary to read the damn thing from start to finish and do it justice, and it's not the kind of thing you can put down for a couple of weeks and then pick up where you left off.  Someday I'll read the thing in its entirety--maybe after I retire.)  I've read all of the rest of his books and enjoyed them immensely (even ones such as Vineland and Inherent Vice that some of the "purists" scoff at), but V. simply didn't do it for me, for whatever reason.

So I don't know if you've read any of his other stuff, but if you haven't, you should even if you don't wind up liking V., because your experience might be similar.
 
2013-02-26 05:36:37 PM

Spartapuss: Damn, I enjoyed Slow Learner and just picked up The Crying of Lot - whatever and Vineland to get back into reading. Thanks for letting me know that was a mistake, Fark!


The Crying of Lot 49 seems to be thought of by many as Pynchon's "simplest" or "most readable" book, but I think people think that only because it's short.  In many ways, one could argue that it may be his most complex book other than Gravity's Rainbow, despite its small size. So if you're going to read them both, I'd consider reading Vineland first to work your way back into his writing, since it's probably his most accessible and "readable" book other than Inherent Vice (which reads almost like a "regular" novel, albeit a very funny and well-written one), and then follow it up with The Crying of Lot 49.
 
2013-02-26 06:17:21 PM

Cyberluddite: studs up: Is it weird that I am reading both V. and White Noise right now? I must say the headline made my coincidenterator go *bing*.

I like Pynchon a whole helluva lot, but I have to say that V. was the one book of his that I simply could not get into, and quit on about halfway through.  (OK, I admit that I quit on Gravity's Rainbow before finishing it, too, but that wasn't because I didn't get into it--I did, but I've never had the month or so block of time available that's necessary to read the damn thing from start to finish and do it justice, and it's not the kind of thing you can put down for a couple of weeks and then pick up where you left off.  Someday I'll read the thing in its entirety--maybe after I retire.)  I've read all of the rest of his books and enjoyed them immensely (even ones such as Vineland and Inherent Vice that some of the "purists" scoff at), but V. simply didn't do it for me, for whatever reason.

So I don't know if you've read any of his other stuff, but if you haven't, you should even if you don't wind up liking V., because your experience might be similar.


I should have said "re-reading" to be more specific, but yeah, a freshman work that bore little resemblence to the rest of the canon. A second to the previous pretentious prick comment above. I hardly ever judge a writers work by involving his/her personality, but, he is a hard one to ignore.
 
2013-02-26 06:33:08 PM
So, basically, we'd still have several freedoms?
 
2013-02-26 06:39:12 PM
Just finished Crying of Lot 49. It reminded me a little of the Illuminatus! trilogy, if it had been written by James Joyce. I'd be reading along at a normal rate and then all of a sudden trip over one of his more poetically-licensed passages and lose the flow. I have a feeling at least part of Pynchon's appeal is the sense of challenge and accomplishment from finishing one of his books. It's literature on Expert Mode.
 
2013-02-26 06:48:52 PM
In other Pynchon news, supposedly Inherent Vice is going to be made into a movie by Paul Thomas Anderson, with Joaquin Phoenix as The Dude "Doc" Sportello.
 
2013-02-26 06:58:06 PM

kab: Voiceofreason01: Gravity's Rainbow sucked

/that's right I said it.

I didn't subject myself to that one, but I did get through 'Against the Day'.

It's rare that you'll find a better example of an author who has an almost unmatched ability to use language to convey, while at the same time demonstrating a complete inability to tell a remotely cohesive or compelling story.

Whoever penned the 'tl;dr' thing had to be reading a Pynchon novel.


Against the Day is indeed a lot to get through. I would suggest only reading chapters dealing with Webb and his family the first time. That forms the core plot, you can bring in all the side plots later.

/The first books to read are the California books: Crying of Lot 49, Inherent Vice, and Vineland, in that order. After that go to V and then Gravity's Rainbow.
//Definitely don't read Mason & Dixon until you've decided you like his style, not only do you have the normal Pynchon weirdness, but also the archaic language.
 
2013-02-26 07:09:58 PM
I've never heard of either the authors mentioned in the headline, but is there some literary taboo about two people writing about the same subject that I'm unaware of?  Headline seems kind of stupid to me.
 
2013-02-26 07:23:14 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: /The first books to read are the California books: Crying of Lot 49, Inherent Vice, and Vineland, in that order. After that go to V and then Gravity's Rainbow.


As hesitant as I am to take issue with a guy with a user name like Tyrone Slothrop in a Pynchon thread, for reasons I mentioned above, I somewhat disagree.  I think The Crying of Lot 49 is actually one of Pynchon's conceptually more complex books, despite it being, by far, his shortest.  I think Inherent Vice and Vineland, in that order, are the most "accessible" and the best two to start with.
 
2013-02-26 07:32:53 PM
I was stoned, late for work, and buying cigarettes that morning

mr. pynchon could turn that simple sentence into a 900 page examination of life, the universe, the origin of the denver omlette, and even more mystical argy bargy. and it'd be great!

you go, crazy writing man!
 
2013-02-26 07:35:58 PM

Cyberluddite: As hesitant as I am to take issue with a guy with a user name like Tyrone Slothrop in a Pynchon thread


There's a guy named Roger Mexico on Fark as well. I remember at least one Pynchon thread where both of them were posting.
 
2013-02-26 07:38:15 PM
While we're on the subject, for any of you who like the guy and haven't happened to seen this yet, check out the promo piece that Pynchon did announcing the release of Inherent Vice a few years ago.  And yes, it's been confirmed that it really was Thomas Pynchon doing the voiceover as the Doc Sportello character.
 
2013-02-26 07:46:20 PM
so it will be about the little league scandal, the summer of the shark, chandra levey and wanting to bone e.d. hill ?

i796.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-26 07:59:14 PM

Voiceofreason01: Gravity's Rainbow sucked

/that's right I said it.


So very angry with you. So very, very angry.

Did you at least finish it?

/not that angry
//I can't wait for this book. I've read all of Pynchon except against the day, so I'll have this day one.
///I just wish I could meet the guy before he passes on, but bleh. Just to say hi and that I really appreciate Gravity's Rainbow, maybe shoot the shiat
 
2013-02-26 08:02:37 PM
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! !!

/hope I live to read it
 
2013-02-26 08:11:52 PM

Springy23: //I can't wait for this book. I've read all of Pynchon except against the day, so I'll have this day one.


In the meantime, why not read Against the Day?  I thought it was excellent, and I'm certainly no science/physics nerd.
 
2013-02-26 08:30:47 PM

Cyberluddite: Springy23: //I can't wait for this book. I've read all of Pynchon except against the day, so I'll have this day one.

In the meantime, why not read Against the Day?  I thought it was excellent, and I'm certainly no science/physics nerd.


Wish I could but I'll be busy reading Oscar Wilde for my final graduate seminar. Not to brag or anything. After I graduate I think I'd like to re-read GR (my fourth or fifth time) or Infinite Jest (my second time) before I read anything new.
 
2013-02-26 08:52:03 PM

Decillion: Hey, whatever happened to that Dan Brown guy?


He's got a book coming out this year.
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/b/dan-brown/
 
2013-02-26 09:05:58 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: In other Pynchon news, supposedly Inherent Vice is going to be made into a movie by Paul Thomas Anderson, with Joaquin Phoenix as The Dude "Doc" Sportello.




Joaquin Phoenix? Goddammitsomuch, that is horrible casting, and it doesn't help that I don't really like his acting much to begin with. And I was hopeful w/P.T. Anderson directing. I'm sure I'll see it anyway, cuz hey, it's a movie of a Pynchon novel, but I could think of 50 better actors for that role.
 
2013-02-26 09:19:11 PM

Martstar: Tyrone Slothrop: In other Pynchon news, supposedly Inherent Vice is going to be made into a movie by Paul Thomas Anderson, with Joaquin Phoenix as The Dude "Doc" Sportello.

Joaquin Phoenix? Goddammitsomuch, that is horrible casting, and it doesn't help that I don't really like his acting much to begin with. And I was hopeful w/P.T. Anderson directing. I'm sure I'll see it anyway, cuz hey, it's a movie of a Pynchon novel, but I could think of 50 better actors for that role.


Yeah, personally I think it would be great if he cast Jeff Bridges. I'll still see it, because a) Anderson is a really good director (even if The Master was a little flat), and b) I'm a Pynchon nut.
 
2013-02-26 09:19:41 PM
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2013-02-26 09:27:17 PM
Guys, check this self-referential anti-narrative.

We all know this is some sort of post-modernist performance art that's really not and actually about bananas and the arc of a missile, a screaming across the sky, if you will.

But I'm going to break the fourth wall to let people know that Fark isn't in fact filled with anti-literate trolls who can't hold two thoughts in their head simultaneously.

Or, maybe, it is.
 
2013-02-26 09:34:39 PM
studs up Is it weird that I am reading both V. and White Noise right now?

Pynchon finished 'V' in the same Seattle bar where a dying Layne Staley copped his 'H'...
 
2013-02-26 09:38:58 PM
I thought white noise was okay, if a thinly veiled pastiche of the university of iowa

that guy is certainly no john irving who isn't even half a drunken raymond carver in a three-day whisky binge.

ya know?
 
2013-02-26 10:36:48 PM

FlyingJ: studs up Is it weird that I am reading both V. and White Noise right now?

Pynchon finished 'V' in the same Seattle bar where a dying Layne Staley copped his 'H'...


Whoa, what? I didn't know that.

Which bar? I'm a Seattleite and I'll be drinking there by the end of the week if it's nearby.
 
2013-02-26 10:42:47 PM

Voiceofreason01: Gravity's Rainbow sucked

/that's right I said it.


I didn't like it either.  It's the only book I've never been able to finish.  Trying to get through that book is like trying to walk on your thumbs.  I know it's one of those books you should say you've read and you love so it makes you look more erudite, but I just can't do it.  It's awful.
 
2013-02-26 10:53:54 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: Martstar: Tyrone Slothrop: In other Pynchon news, supposedly Inherent Vice is going to be made into a movie by Paul Thomas Anderson, with Joaquin Phoenix as The Dude "Doc" Sportello.

Joaquin Phoenix? Goddammitsomuch, that is horrible casting, and it doesn't help that I don't really like his acting much to begin with. And I was hopeful w/P.T. Anderson directing. I'm sure I'll see it anyway, cuz hey, it's a movie of a Pynchon novel, but I could think of 50 better actors for that role.

Yeah, personally I think it would be great if he cast Jeff Bridges. I'll still see it, because a) Anderson is a really good director (even if The Master was a little flat), and b) I'm a Pynchon nut.


I liked the original casting of Robert Downey Jr., but apparently he had to drop out due to a scheduling conflict, per IMDB.  While Bridges would've been cool, he is getting a bit up there for the part.  Lebowski was 15 years ago now.
 
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