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(Talking Points Memo)   News: US Congressman says Dick Cheney will go to hell for leading us into Iraq war, Fark: Congressman is Republican Walter "Freedom Fries" Jones, who, incidentally, voted in favor of Iraq war   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 87
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2013-02-26 12:53:54 PM
He was just toeing the party line, and doing as he was told...see, that's how you absolve all responsibility
 
2013-02-26 01:04:31 PM
Great, Cheney will go to an imaginary place that doesn't exist.

I myself would prefer to see him in an actual condition that does exist -- under indictment for treason.
 
2013-02-26 01:10:23 PM
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Are you ready for pain? Are you ready for suffering? If the answer is yes, then you're ready for Captain Freedom Fries.
 
2013-02-26 01:19:30 PM

Generation_D: Great, Cheney will go to an imaginary place that doesn't exist.

I myself would prefer to see him in an actual condition that does exist -- under indictment for treason.


Precisely.

Invoking the concept of "Hell" as suggested punishment for political wrongdoings isn't that far from promising 72 virgins in Heaven as a reward.  We're better than that.
 
2013-02-26 01:47:18 PM

Endive Wombat: He was just toeing the party line, and doing as he was told...see, that's how you absolve all responsibility


I don't think he is trying to shirk responsibility.  He's admitting he was wrong.
 
2013-02-26 01:47:45 PM

Endive Wombat: He was just toeing the party line, and doing as he was told...see, that's how you absolve all responsibility


He probably wasn't toeing the parting line. He most likely believed all the lies that the administration was putting forward. Remember Powell claiming that not only did we know that Iraq had weapons of mass distinction but we know exactly where they were? Remember the little viles of mystery white powder? Remember the lies about yellow cake uranium and the lengths the administration went to punish the wife of the man who had the audacity to call them on their bs? Remember how we never found any of the crap the Bush Administration claimed Iraq had?


Every single member of Congress who voted for the authorization to use force against Iraq is excused because the information they used to base that decision on was completely fabricated by the Bush Administration.
 
2013-02-26 01:47:50 PM

ITGreen: Invoking the concept of "Hell" as suggested punishment for political wrongdoings isn't that far from promising 72 virgins in Heaven as a reward. We're better than that.


Hate to say it, but most people aren't better than that. Tribalism sucks, but it's almost like we're hardwired for it.
 
2013-02-26 01:50:05 PM

InspectorZero: Endive Wombat: He was just toeing the party line, and doing as he was told...see, that's how you absolve all responsibility

I don't think he is trying to shirk responsibility.  He's admitting he was wrong.


Well, that parts good.  Of course, he isn't offering up any apologies to the people that were correct, nor the people that were goaded into falling into line by the 'with us or agin us' pressure that he and people like him put on their colleagues.

In short- fark him.
 
2013-02-26 01:58:45 PM

max_pooper: Endive Wombat: He was just toeing the party line, and doing as he was told...see, that's how you absolve all responsibility

He probably wasn't toeing the parting line. He most likely believed all the lies that the administration was putting forward. Remember Powell claiming that not only did we know that Iraq had weapons of mass distinction but we know exactly where they were? Remember the little viles of mystery white powder? Remember the lies about yellow cake uranium and the lengths the administration went to punish the wife of the man who had the audacity to call them on their bs? Remember how we never found any of the crap the Bush Administration claimed Iraq had?


Every single member of Congress who voted for the authorization to use force against Iraq is excused because the information they used to base that decision on was completely fabricated by the Bush Administration.


Lies or piss poor, out dated, and presumptuous intelligence data?
 
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2013-02-26 02:03:58 PM

ITGreen: Invoking the concept of "Hell" as suggested punishment for political wrongdoings isn't that far from promising 72 virgins in Heaven as a reward.  We're better than that.


What if they are 72 gay virgins, all named Bubba.
 
2013-02-26 02:07:23 PM

vpb: ITGreen: Invoking the concept of "Hell" as suggested punishment for political wrongdoings isn't that far from promising 72 virgins in Heaven as a reward.  We're better than that.

What if they are 72 gay virgins, all named Bubba.


I had always assumed they were.  You mean to tell me they're hot chicks?  Now it makes sense.
 
2013-02-26 02:07:24 PM
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Gosh, Golly Gee, Wally, you're an idiot.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-26 02:26:00 PM
SF writers Niven and Pournelle put some Iraq war planners in hell in their sequel to Inferno.
 
2013-02-26 02:35:41 PM
Just following orders?
 
2013-02-26 02:36:54 PM
Cheney won't go to hell - Satan doesn't want the competition.
 
2013-02-26 02:38:59 PM
Dick Cheney will die in bed bed, comfortable, and surrounded by family and friends who love him. And that will be the end of it, because there is no Hell. And no justice.
 
2013-02-26 02:40:16 PM

InspectorZero: Endive Wombat: He was just toeing the party line, and doing as he was told...see, that's how you absolve all responsibility

I don't think he is trying to shirk responsibility.  He's admitting he was wrong.


Props to him for doing that, but he's still the idiot who pushed the term "Freedom Fries", FFS.
 
2013-02-26 02:42:01 PM

max_pooper: Remember how we never found any of the crap the Bush Administration claimed Iraq had?


They hid it in Syria.

/Runs from thread
 
2013-02-26 02:42:47 PM
Cheney in hell? Saddam totally wouldn't be cool with that.

www.empireonline.com
 
2013-02-26 02:44:04 PM

Generation_D: Great, Cheney will go to an imaginary place that doesn't exist.

I myself would prefer to see him in an actual condition that does exist -- under indictment for treason.


The congress failed in its job as oversight. The American people bought it and re elected him.

Except what Cheny did was not treasonable: he thought they were doing the best for America. We were attcked from the middle east.

Lying to the American people is not treasonable, it's a prerequisite.
 
2013-02-26 02:46:35 PM
Hope the Bush Admin and war supporting Republicans get their comeuppance.
 
2013-02-26 02:47:30 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Generation_D: Great, Cheney will go to an imaginary place that doesn't exist.

I myself would prefer to see him in an actual condition that does exist -- under indictment for treason.

The congress failed in its job as oversight. The American people bought it and re elected him.

Except what Cheny did was not treasonable: he thought they were doing the best for America. We were attcked from the middle east.

Lying to the American people is not treasonable, it's a prerequisite.



The first casualty of war?
 
2013-02-26 02:48:00 PM

NateGrey: Hope the Bush Admin and war supporting Republicans get their comeuppance.


The way the GOP's getting spanked around lately, half of your wish is granted.
 
2013-02-26 02:49:06 PM

Generation_D: I myself would prefer to see him in an actual condition that does exist -- under indictment for treason.


Or on the stand in The Hague, either one.
 
2013-02-26 02:50:26 PM
as long as he goes, i don't care where.  i'm not picky.  that Turd is a Psychopath.
 
2013-02-26 02:51:02 PM

NateGrey: Hope the Bush Admin and war supporting Republicans get their comeuppance.


What about the rest of the war-supporting congresscritters?
 
2013-02-26 02:53:11 PM
Bush and Cheney will have to live with the fact that their predecessors -- Clinton, Gore, Carter, even GHW Bush -- all spend their days travelling the world, being paid big bucks to give speeches to the upper-echelons of society.  Bush and Cheney can't do that because they're both concerned about getting arrested and sent to The Hague.  They see Pinochet as a cautionary tale.

It ain't much in the way of punishment, I'll admit, but it's something.

(I'm sure it also burns Bush's bacon that he has to watch Clinton do the big razzle-dazzle at the DNC last year while the Bush name is pretty much unspeakable in Republican circles and certainly never mentioned in public settings like the RNC)
 
2013-02-26 02:53:18 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Dick Cheney will die in bed bed, comfortable, and surrounded by family and friends who love him. And that will be the end of it, because there is no Hell. And no justice.



but at least he'll become food for bacteria.  and at least he'll have some time to think about what a dick he is before he takes that long dirt nap.

AND,  he'll get to think about how little his money means to him once the Grim Reaper knocks on his door.

never once have i seen a Greedy F*ck on his death bed.  everyone gets reasonable real quick when they know their ass is on the line.
 
2013-02-26 02:53:54 PM

max_pooper: Endive Wombat: He was just toeing the party line, and doing as he was told...see, that's how you absolve all responsibility

He probably wasn't toeing the parting line. He most likely believed all the lies that the administration was putting forward. Remember Powell claiming that not only did we know that Iraq had weapons of mass distinction but we know exactly where they were? Remember the little viles of mystery white powder? Remember the lies about yellow cake uranium and the lengths the administration went to punish the wife of the man who had the audacity to call them on their bs? Remember how we never found any of the crap the Bush Administration claimed Iraq had?


Every single member of Congress who voted for the authorization to use force against Iraq is excused because the information they used to base that decision on was completely fabricated by the Bush Administration.


I was a 19-year-old beer pong phenom in 2003, but I still had enough of a brain to recognize that the administrations claims weren't adding up.

"The secular, quasi-socialist military strongman is in cahoots with the religious fundamentalists who vow to overthrow him? Sounds legit."
 
2013-02-26 02:55:01 PM
We need Dick to run the Senate along with Boner in the House.   they'll straighten things out!
 
2013-02-26 02:55:16 PM
Jones also expressed regret during the speech for his vote in support of the Iraq War in 2003.

Fair enough, he's had time to re-think his decision, and it's his right.

He is widely remembered for his efforts in the leadup to the Iraq War to change the name of french fries to "freedom fries" in the House of Representatives cafeteria.

Of course, it was FRANCE'S right not to join a war on such bullshiat claims. Maybe Jones should reflect on his idiotic "Freedom Fries" bullshiat a little longer, and be forced to own up to his decision over and over, since he doesn't understand freedom of choice yet.
 
2013-02-26 02:56:54 PM

Endive Wombat: He was just toeing the party line, and doing as he was told...see, that's how you absolve all responsibility


I should favorite you as possibly the only person who has used the CORRECT form of  "toe" in that phrase...
 
2013-02-26 02:59:02 PM

max_pooper: Endive Wombat: He was just toeing the party line, and doing as he was told...see, that's how you absolve all responsibility

He probably wasn't toeing the parting line. He most likely believed all the lies that the administration was putting forward. Remember Powell claiming that not only did we know that Iraq had weapons of mass distinction but we know exactly where they were? Remember the little viles of mystery white powder? Remember the lies about yellow cake uranium and the lengths the administration went to punish the wife of the man who had the audacity to call them on their bs? Remember how we never found any of the crap the Bush Administration claimed Iraq had?


Every single member of Congress who voted for the authorization to use force against Iraq is excused because the information they used to base that decision on was completely fabricated by the Bush Administration.


So how come I didn't fall for any of it? They WANTED to believe, they weren't "tricked", they were being selfish, and now untold thousands of people are dead on both sides. We're supposed to give them a pass because they're gullible chickenhawks?
 
2013-02-26 03:01:05 PM
Jesus Christ.  He's either a complete hypocrite who bears just as much responsibility for the Iraq war as Cheney, or he's a complete farking idiot who was tricked into authorizing the invasion of a foreign country.

It's unbelievable that he can stand up in front of a group of RON PAUL types and get cheers over this bullshiat.  As though voting to go to war was a mere youthful indiscretion on his part, and he has grown so much since then.
 
2013-02-26 03:01:31 PM
So M. Frites Libertie has outed Cheney.   Appropriate for a Republican drive to throw the US into chaos intended to rival and put to shame anything French unions could every imagine.
 
2013-02-26 03:02:10 PM

Endive Wombat: max_pooper: Endive Wombat: He was just toeing the party line, and doing as he was told...see, that's how you absolve all responsibility

He probably wasn't toeing the parting line. He most likely believed all the lies that the administration was putting forward. Remember Powell claiming that not only did we know that Iraq had weapons of mass distinction but we know exactly where they were? Remember the little viles of mystery white powder? Remember the lies about yellow cake uranium and the lengths the administration went to punish the wife of the man who had the audacity to call them on their bs? Remember how we never found any of the crap the Bush Administration claimed Iraq had?


Every single member of Congress who voted for the authorization to use force against Iraq is excused because the information they used to base that decision on was completely fabricated by the Bush Administration.

Lies or piss poor, out dated, and presumptuous intelligence data?


Yes.
 
2013-02-26 03:02:38 PM

Wendy's Chili: I was a 19-year-old beer pong phenom in 2003, but I still had enough of a brain to recognize that the administrations claims weren't adding up.


Yeah, that.

To say "but EVERYONE was fooled by the bad intel!" fails to acknowledge the core of TFA -- FRANCE didn't buy the bad intel, hence the "freedom fries" mockery.  Neither did Germany, Russia, Canada, New Zealand and a whack of other US allies.

Not everyone was fooled.  People who thought Saddam had WMDs and was in cahoots with Osama were mostly angry and scared about 9/11 and were willing to believe anything "daddy" told them would keep them safe from harm.  Those of us who aren't easily led into panic were not so convinced.
 
2013-02-26 03:04:32 PM

Mikey1969: max_pooper: Endive Wombat: He was just toeing the party line, and doing as he was told...see, that's how you absolve all responsibility

He probably wasn't toeing the parting line. He most likely believed all the lies that the administration was putting forward. Remember Powell claiming that not only did we know that Iraq had weapons of mass distinction but we know exactly where they were? Remember the little viles of mystery white powder? Remember the lies about yellow cake uranium and the lengths the administration went to punish the wife of the man who had the audacity to call them on their bs? Remember how we never found any of the crap the Bush Administration claimed Iraq had?


Every single member of Congress who voted for the authorization to use force against Iraq is excused because the information they used to base that decision on was completely fabricated by the Bush Administration.

So how come I didn't fall for any of it? They WANTED to believe, they weren't "tricked", they were being selfish, and now untold thousands of people are dead on both sides. We're supposed to give them a pass because they're gullible chickenhawks?



Yeah and how about congresscritters like this asshole who tried to shame the French (through retarded "freedom fry" antics) because they opposed the Bush administration's invasion plans?  It's like giving all of Hitler's henchmen a pass because they all trusted him when he said that the Aryan race was superior and they were destined to lead a 1,000 year reich.
 
2013-02-26 03:05:21 PM

Mikey1969: max_pooper: Endive Wombat: He was just toeing the party line, and doing as he was told...see, that's how you absolve all responsibility

He probably wasn't toeing the parting line. He most likely believed all the lies that the administration was putting forward. Remember Powell claiming that not only did we know that Iraq had weapons of mass distinction but we know exactly where they were? Remember the little viles of mystery white powder? Remember the lies about yellow cake uranium and the lengths the administration went to punish the wife of the man who had the audacity to call them on their bs? Remember how we never found any of the crap the Bush Administration claimed Iraq had?


Every single member of Congress who voted for the authorization to use force against Iraq is excused because the information they used to base that decision on was completely fabricated by the Bush Administration.

So how come I didn't fall for any of it? They WANTED to believe, they weren't "tricked", they were being selfish, and now untold thousands of people are dead on both sides. We're supposed to give them a pass because they're gullible chickenhawks?


I'm not one to give people a break on Iraq, but I like to hope that in the end they could not bring themselves to believe that their President would like about something so important.
 
2013-02-26 03:06:49 PM

GoldSpider: NateGrey: Hope the Bush Admin and war supporting Republicans get their comeuppance.

What about the rest of the war-supporting congresscritters?


They are cool, when things started going bad at least they had the decency to criticize.
 
2013-02-26 03:07:46 PM
"Lyndon Johnson's probably rotting in hell right now because of the Vietnam War, and he probably needs to move over for Dick Cheney."

That's about when they become bipartisan. Once they're in hell. They probably get a lot more done down there too.
 
2013-02-26 03:08:40 PM
Nice of him to wait until after the declaration of war, the vote, the bombings, the liberation, the erection of a new government, the hanging of Saddam, the fight against the insurgency, the military turnover,the US pullout, and the the lefts attention span shifting away from it as a talking point to then decide the whole thing was a bad idea.

/Democrats are as pro war as Republicans now. Its a bit late to switch horses.
 
2013-02-26 03:10:47 PM

urbangirl: Mikey1969: max_pooper: Endive Wombat: He was just toeing the party line, and doing as he was told...see, that's how you absolve all responsibility

He probably wasn't toeing the parting line. He most likely believed all the lies that the administration was putting forward. Remember Powell claiming that not only did we know that Iraq had weapons of mass distinction but we know exactly where they were? Remember the little viles of mystery white powder? Remember the lies about yellow cake uranium and the lengths the administration went to punish the wife of the man who had the audacity to call them on their bs? Remember how we never found any of the crap the Bush Administration claimed Iraq had?


Every single member of Congress who voted for the authorization to use force against Iraq is excused because the information they used to base that decision on was completely fabricated by the Bush Administration.

So how come I didn't fall for any of it? They WANTED to believe, they weren't "tricked", they were being selfish, and now untold thousands of people are dead on both sides. We're supposed to give them a pass because they're gullible chickenhawks?

I'm not one to give people a break on Iraq, but I like to hope that in the end they could not bring themselves to believe that their President would like about something so important.



What's the point of Congressional authorization, then?  The whole "checks and balances" thing contemplates a somewhat independent thought process.  Most pro-war congressmen like the asshole in the article were actively out there at the time trying to beat the war drums and call anyone who questioned the administration's evidence or motives an unpatriotic coward.

I remember all that bullshiat - we were a very jingoistic country after 9/11, and the administration's strategy to get the Iraq war it always wanted was to feed off that nationalistic sentiment while accusing dissenters of being unpatriotic.   And the dumbass congressman in the article was an active part of that effort.
 
2013-02-26 03:11:53 PM

way south: /Democrats are as pro war as Republicans now. Its a bit late to switch horses.


Wut?
 
2013-02-26 03:13:06 PM

way south: /Democrats are as pro war as Republicans now. Its a bit late to switch horses.


That isn't true at all and you know it. About half of them are in districts that have too many pro-war dumbasses. They can (idiotically) just claim that they were just doing what their public wants.

/whoever said Democrats were principled?
 
2013-02-26 03:14:02 PM
If you spoke out against the Iraq  war invasion in 2002/2003, you were boo'd off stage and labeled a terrorist sympathizer. Can't really blame anyone (besides the administration) for supporting the war based on bad intel/propaganda at the time, and seeing in hindsight that they were duped.
 
2013-02-26 03:15:33 PM
It's sad to say but I owe Bush and Cheney a debt of gratitude. It was those two farkwads more than any other people that made me stop voting for incompetent Republicans. Of course this current group has just reinforced what they proved to me years ago but it was their bullshiat that ended it for me.
 
2013-02-26 03:17:37 PM

way south: Democrats are as pro war as Republicans now. Its a bit late to switch horses.


Is this what Republicans actually believe?
 
2013-02-26 03:21:18 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Wendy's Chili: I was a 19-year-old beer pong phenom in 2003, but I still had enough of a brain to recognize that the administrations claims weren't adding up.

Yeah, that.

To say "but EVERYONE was fooled by the bad intel!" fails to acknowledge the core of TFA -- FRANCE didn't buy the bad intel, hence the "freedom fries" mockery.  Neither did Germany, Russia, Canada, New Zealand and a whack of other US allies.

Not everyone was fooled.  People who thought Saddam had WMDs and was in cahoots with Osama were mostly angry and scared about 9/11 and were willing to believe anything "daddy" told them would keep them safe from harm.  Those of us who aren't easily led into panic were not so convinced.


I seem to recall a study that looked at the speeches given by the Bush administration where they found that officials would say 9/11, Osama, Saddam Hussein and Iraq within (I don't recall the exact number but will guess and say) 10 words of each other. The implication being that if the two incidents were paired together often enough in speeches that the general public would conflate the two.

It helped to explain why so many people believed (and continue to believe) that Iraq was responsible for 9/11.
 
2013-02-26 03:26:54 PM

urbangirl: I'm not one to give people a break on Iraq, but I like to hope that in the end they could not bring themselves to believe that their President would like about something so important.


George W. Bush was an established shiatbag well before the vote to authorize the invasion of Iraq. Anyone taking him at his word was both stupid for believing him and stupid for thinking that the rationale given ("WMDs! Al Qaeda!") was a good reason to get into a protracted military conflict.

Unlike a lot of people, apparently, I remember 2002 and 2003. The notion that going into Iraq was a terrible goddamn idea wasn't some sort of esoteric secret passed around exclusively betwixt hippie college professors at Burning Man. A lot of people knew this wouldn't result in anything good. 133 members of the House of Representatives and 23 Senators voted against the authorization of force.

There is no excuse on this one.
 
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