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2013-02-26 04:36:00 PM

InmanRoshi: Your ability to grow "high quality" stuff is pretty much relegated to your ability to obtain "high quality" strains.


js34603: and you clearly do not


Are you trying to out-pothead-me?  Dude... first off, go smoke a bowl and calm yourself a bit.  No need to be this agitated talking about ganja.

InmanRoshi really hit the nail on the head.  No matter who you are, if you don't start with a good strain you've got nothing.  Sure you can cross-breed, clone, etc... but if you start out with some mexican ditch weed...

Good weed can be grown just about anywhere if you have the initiative.  My school was in Manhattan where a open space to grow was in short supply. I'll tell you however, there was no shortage of people who knew their way around the dankest of the dank.  I simplified the process and my setup for the sake of brevity, but to try and cast doubt... you're reaching man.  I never have claimed to be an expert, but I did end up with some very tasty and effective cannabis (my yeild is really where the plants suffered).

/My experience with any pot coming from south of the mason dixie line (you are from NC?) has been basically shiat, shiat, and more shiat.  I'm really glad you found a friend who is into botany and is learning how to improve on your hillbilly weed experience, but that doesn't make you an expert.
//But you do sound like a dick.
 
2013-02-26 04:36:42 PM

ProfessorOhki: js34603: You're about as likely to grow high quality cannabis without experience at home as you are to use a chemistry set to make Oxytocin at home.

Uh, you mean OxyContin/oxycodone? Because Oxytocin is a hormone and doesn't really seem that hard to generate.

/"it is released in large amounts after ... stimulation of the nipples..."


While you make a good point, Professor, I have never seen a chemistry set that included nipples. At least not the kind you could stimulate.
 
2013-02-26 04:40:48 PM

MacWizard: ProfessorOhki: js34603: You're about as likely to grow high quality cannabis without experience at home as you are to use a chemistry set to make Oxytocin at home.

Uh, you mean OxyContin/oxycodone? Because Oxytocin is a hormone and doesn't really seem that hard to generate.

/"it is released in large amounts after ... stimulation of the nipples..."

While you make a good point, Professor, I have never seen a chemistry set that included nipples. At least not the kind you could stimulate.


I find that most chemists have a set though. Well, at least those who haven't been careless with corrosives.
 
2013-02-26 04:56:04 PM

mysticcat: So true.  I'm a physician and the fact that I can prescribe Oxycontin to any schmo off the street who says he has back pain, but we can't even do a study to assess the palliative effects of marijuana in terminal cancer, much less other diseases, is incredibly hypocritical.

They talked about it in the New England Journal this week, and, apparently, there are still some idiot physicians who think that smoking marijuana might be harmful for terminally ill patients.  Huh?


To the article, duh.

To you, can patients, or really anyone with access to water, dirt, and sunlight, grow Oxycotin?  No, then why are people still shocked about the motivations for suppressing research and legalization?
 
2013-02-26 05:11:15 PM

Mr. Eugenides: J. Frank Parnell: Mr. Eugenides: Also, if you're prescribing Oxy to "any schmo who says he has back pain" you should have your license stripped.

Pretty sure he said he "could", not that he does.

He also straight up lied that he was unable to do research using marijuana, he can.


Considering that you just got caught out in a misrepresentation of what he was saying, maybe you should be a bit more cautious about claiming that someone "straight up lied" about something else.

Just sayin'.
 
2013-02-26 05:13:55 PM

roc6783: mysticcat: So true.  I'm a physician and the fact that I can prescribe Oxycontin to any schmo off the street who says he has back pain, but we can't even do a study to assess the palliative effects of marijuana in terminal cancer, much less other diseases, is incredibly hypocritical.

They talked about it in the New England Journal this week, and, apparently, there are still some idiot physicians who think that smoking marijuana might be harmful for terminally ill patients.  Huh?

To the article, duh.

To you, can patients, or really anyone with access to water, dirt, and sunlight, grow Oxycotin?  No, then why are people still shocked about the motivations for suppressing research and legalization?




I know, right.

Oh wait...
www.eatraw.com
 
2013-02-26 05:20:54 PM

js34603: Yes, you can easily grow marijuana plants at home. You cannot easily grow anything that would be worth consuming.

You're about as likely to grow high quality cannabis without experience at home as you are to use a chemistry set to make Oxytocin at home.


bullshiat. this is untrue.
 
2013-02-26 05:27:49 PM

Mr. Eugenides: J. Frank Parnell: Mr. Eugenides: Also, if you're prescribing Oxy to "any schmo who says he has back pain" you should have your license stripped.

Pretty sure he said he "could", not that he does.

He also straight up lied that he was unable to do research using marijuana, he can.


You are trying way too hard to be an ass. You need to be more subtle in the future.

4/10
 
2013-02-26 05:34:57 PM

StoPPeRmobile: roc6783: mysticcat: ***snip***
I know, right.

Oh wait...
[www.eatraw.com image 194x250]


Are you implying that any able-bodied adult can grow poppies and manufacture Oxycotin?

Because if you actually think that, I would wonder what you are doing with your spare time.

Hobodeluxe: js34603: Yes, you can easily grow marijuana plants at home. You cannot easily grow anything that would be worth consuming.

You're about as likely to grow high quality cannabis without experience at home as you are to use a chemistry set to make Oxytocin at home.

bullshiat. this is untrue.


Are you going to grow the best of the best by throwing some seeds in dirt and waiting till it is ready to harvest?  No.  Do you need top quality stuff to bake into cookies or brownies that will have the desired effect?  I wouldn't know, but my friend who lives in a country where the consumption of such products is legal assures me that you do not.
 
2013-02-26 06:54:10 PM

MrEricSir: Remember DARE?


Drugs Are Really Expensive
 
2013-02-26 07:37:45 PM
I just want to see that proposal because I'm interested to know the theoretical mechanism by which a paranoia-inducing agent could reduce the effects of a psychiatric disorder that includes extreme anxiety, and paranoia.  Seems like it would be more likely to aggravate the chances of a psychotic break.

Not saying it can't help, weird stuff happens in science.  Just sounds a bit homoeopathic and I'd like to see the science.

The trials using ecstasy to treat PTSD sound more promising because they actually appear to treat the problem (as in make it go away), not support an ongoing chronic drug habit that mitigates some symptoms but will cause you a bunch of others.
 
2013-02-26 07:37:51 PM

MacWizard: MrEricSir: Remember DARE?

Drugs Are Really Expensive




Don't Arrest Retarded Elephants?
 
2013-02-26 07:38:12 PM

js34603: stuhayes2010: mysticcat: So true.  I'm a physician and the fact that I can prescribe Oxycontin to any schmo off the street who says he has back pain, but we can't even do a study to assess the palliative effects of marijuana in terminal cancer, much less other diseases, is incredibly hypocritical.

They talked about it in the New England Journal this week, and, apparently, there are still some idiot physicians who think that smoking marijuana might be harmful for terminally ill patients.  Huh?

Go$h, I wonder why pain pill$ are ea$ily pre$scribed, and pot which i$ ea$ily grown at home i$n't?

Yes, you can easily grow marijuana plants at home. You cannot easily grow anything that would be worth consuming.

You're about as likely to grow high quality cannabis without experience at home as you are to use a chemistry set to make Oxytocin at home.

Get your conspiracies straight, it's the tobacco and alcohol companies, not the pharmaceuticals, that are suppressing marijuana.

/probably all three really
//bugs me when people talk about how easy it is to grow marijuana...yeah it is easy to grow a marijuana plant, but it is anything but easy to grow smokable marijuana.


You are crazy. Growing weed, yes, decent smoking weed, is easy. The trick is not being an idiot.
 
2013-02-26 07:38:47 PM

if_i_really_have_to: I just want to see that proposal because I'm interested to know the theoretical mechanism by which a paranoia-inducing agent could reduce the effects of a psychiatric disorder that includes extreme anxiety, and paranoia.  Seems like it would be more likely to aggravate the chances of a psychotic break.

Not saying it can't help, weird stuff happens in science.  Just sounds a bit homoeopathic and I'd like to see the science.

The trials using ecstasy to treat PTSD sound more promising because they actually appear to treat the problem (as in make it go away), not support an ongoing chronic drug habit that mitigates some symptoms but will cause you a bunch of others.


Do you mean like using speed on kids that are hyperactive?
 
2013-02-26 07:52:37 PM

js34603: ProfessorOhki: js34603: You're about as likely to grow high quality cannabis without experience at home as you are to use a chemistry set to make Oxytocin at home.

Uh, you mean OxyContin/oxycodone? Because Oxytocin is a hormone and doesn't really seem that hard to generate.

/"it is released in large amounts after ... stimulation of the nipples..."

Whatever, I do not know much about pharmaceuticals, I readily admit it. It was just an analogy to illustrate the point.

How bout this "you're just as likely to grow high quality cannabis without experience as you are to use a chemistry set to make MDMA." Is that better? MDMA is a chemistry thing right?


If you think the difficulty levels of those two things are equal, there is something wrong with you.
 
2013-02-27 02:51:22 AM

mysticcat: there are still some idiot physicians who think that smoking marijuana might be harmful for terminally ill patients.


Look, smartass, 10 out of 10 terminally ill patients who smoke marijuana die. Coincidence? I think not.
 
2013-02-27 05:24:22 AM

untaken_name: At least if the creationists were in charge of the drug war, we could show them this:

Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, whichis upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the whichis the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Handily, it's part of the "creation" account, so they'd have to support it.

/legalize it


According to that all christians should be vegetarian as well "to you it shall be for meat"
 
2013-02-27 05:35:24 AM

js34603: SmellsLikePoo: js34603: You're about as likely to grow high quality cannabis without experience at home as you are to use a chemistry set to make Oxytocin at home.

Really??

I'll bet you have never really tried, and don't know anyone else who has...  It's just a plant.

CSB: Back in college my friends and I had a spare closet that we outfitted with some ventilation and lights, a little water pump and... viola, we had some decent shiat!  It doesn't take a PhD in chemistry.  Nowadays, I'm actually developing a bit of a green thumb with my backyard garden, and I'd be willing to say I could do a much better job that I did back in school.

You didn't have decent shiat. You don't know what decent shiat is if you think you grew it in your closet at college.

Again, any idiot can grow a marijuana plant. No disputing that, you could toss some of the seeds from your "decent shiat" out into the yard and it will grow.

But, while it might not take a PhD to grow high quality marijuana, it does take far more knowledge and experience than people like you seem to think. Just because you can grow a marijuana plant doesn't mean you'd want to smoke it.

/also not to harsh your CSB, but I doubt that happened. Sorry, tossing "some lights" and a water pump in a closet ain't resulting in any worthwhile marijuana.
//I know quite a bit about growing incidentally (from my friend...), and you clearly do not.


You don`t know jack. I bet you are the sort who say "Unless I use this bloom booster, this root stimulator and this extra additive and extra P and K at week 4-5 then I don`t get weed half as good" without actually testing just how little you need to make really good weed. Carry on spending large amounts of money on additives that do nothing, I`m sure your local grow shop guy loves you and is your best friend. He gets to go on an extra holiday because of you guys.

I`ve seen good weed grown by throwing some seeds on the ground in may and cutting them down at the end of september. Thats it, no other work. I`ve seen better weed grown by people using nutrient doser/monitors expensive chemicals and additives and going the full nine yards but the difference wasn`t as great as you make out. You can get stuff good enough for yourself from either method. If you start with a good plant then it`s mostly done for you, if you start with a bad plant then it`s all work and no result.
 
2013-02-27 06:58:26 AM

if_i_really_have_to: I just want to see that proposal because I'm interested to know the theoretical mechanism by which a paranoia-inducing agent could reduce the effects of a psychiatric disorder that includes extreme anxiety, and paranoia.  Seems like it would be more likely to aggravate the chances of a psychotic break.

Not saying it can't help, weird stuff happens in science.  Just sounds a bit homoeopathic and I'd like to see the science.

The trials using ecstasy to treat PTSD sound more promising because they actually appear to treat the problem (as in make it go away), not support an ongoing chronic drug habit that mitigates some symptoms but will cause you a bunch of others.


There are two main active ingredients, THC and CBD. THC is the psychoactive portion and can cause anxiety etc (high) and CBD is an antipsychotic which reduces anxiety etc (sleepy). The ratio of THC and CBD determine what effect cannabis has on anxiety etc.
 
2013-02-27 07:00:40 AM

LavenderWolf: js34603: ProfessorOhki: js34603: You're about as likely to grow high quality cannabis without experience at home as you are to use a chemistry set to make Oxytocin at home.

Uh, you mean OxyContin/oxycodone? Because Oxytocin is a hormone and doesn't really seem that hard to generate.

/"it is released in large amounts after ... stimulation of the nipples..."

Whatever, I do not know much about pharmaceuticals, I readily admit it. It was just an analogy to illustrate the point.

How bout this "you're just as likely to grow high quality cannabis without experience as you are to use a chemistry set to make MDMA." Is that better? MDMA is a chemistry thing right?

If you think the difficulty levels of those two things are equal, there is something wrong with you.


FTFY
 
2013-02-27 07:38:59 AM
Boy, do I have to laugh when people on the eastern seaboard get in a fight over what amounts to good marijuana.

/southern Oregonian
 
2013-02-27 07:52:20 AM

dready zim: You don`t know jack. I bet you are the sort who say "Unless I use this bloom booster, this root stimulator and this extra additive and extra P and K at week 4-5 then I don`t get weed half as good" without actually testing just how little you need to make really good weed. Carry on spending large amounts of money on additives that do nothing, I`m sure your local grow shop guy loves you and is your best friend. He gets to go on an extra holiday because of you guys.


It's not rocket science, but some work does go a long way for a variety of end-results. If done properly, it can still be done affordably and in rather unconventional quarters and without a ton of additives (in some places, one can harvest their own nitrates via bird droppings, for example), but taking a few extra steps does make a difference that is noticeable in yield, content, density, and so forth. It's somewhat like taking care of a fruit-bearing tree - the plant does most of the work, but you need to guide it along the way for best results.

Throwing shiat on the ground and nothing more, and boom there's good marijuana? I imagine that, at the very least, some sort of hands-on work was done, unless a magic environment has been created with perfect light and humidity, as well as no pests or mold or any of that; not to mention, good old luck that you didn't get a seed explosion.
 
2013-02-27 11:08:47 AM

untaken_name: At least if the creationists were in charge of the drug war, we could show them this:

Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, whichis upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the whichis the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Handily, it's part of the "creation" account, so they'd have to support it.

/legalize it


dunno which side that statement gives more ammo to, but I like it anyway. :-)
 
2013-02-28 09:44:47 AM

treesloth: untaken_name: At least if the creationists were in charge of the drug war, we could show them this:

Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, whichis upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the whichis the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Handily, it's part of the "creation" account, so they'd have to support it.

But I think that literalist interpretation would tend to die with its adherents as they throw handfuls of nightshade berries down their throats.


Just because you CAN doesn't mean you MUST. Surely even you can see that. Additionally, belladonna (nightshade) has been ingested by people for thousands of years, in forms such as  Donnagel PG, Scopolamine, Atropine sulphate, and  Donnatal.
 
2013-02-28 09:51:48 AM

dready zim: untaken_name: At least if the creationists were in charge of the drug war, we could show them this:

Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, whichis upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the whichis the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Handily, it's part of the "creation" account, so they'd have to support it.

/legalize it

According to that all christians should be vegetarian as well "to you it shall be for meat"


Actually, no - fish and game was provided a few verses previously. Also, hilariously, the bible dude Paul says that omnivores are smart, and vegetarians are weak, in Romans 14:2, also, one of the signs of the end times is supposedly a rise in vegetarianism. No, seriously. It's called "a doctrine of devils".
 
2013-02-28 02:46:50 PM

untaken_name: Actually, no - fish and game was provided a few verses previously. Also, hilariously, the bible dude Paul says that omnivores are smart, and vegetarians are weak, in Romans 14:2, also, one of the signs of the end times is supposedly a rise in vegetarianism. No, seriously. It's called "a doctrine of devils".


Hey, everyone was fine with the Jooz until they tried to take away our bacon.  Just sayin'...
 
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