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2013-02-26 09:25:57 AM
So, a slide rule?
 
2013-02-26 09:37:02 AM
How much more work could you get done if your computer turned Amish for most of the day?

Of course, since my work involves tapping into Amazon databases I couldn't do it.
 
2013-02-26 09:57:29 AM
It was an Amish trade show and featured among other things power tools (!)

Amish Power Tools would be an awesome acoustic hillbilly-punk band name.
 
2013-02-26 10:15:12 AM
newspaper.li
 
2013-02-26 10:24:22 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-26 11:11:29 AM
I work with computers all day long and at this point I would almost convert to Amishnism just to get a break. But now they are using computers. There is no escape!
 
2013-02-26 11:14:04 AM
 
2013-02-26 11:16:22 AM

gameshowhost:


Came for this

/leaving satisfied
 
2013-02-26 11:19:50 AM
This thread is kind of sad when the article makes exactly the point that the Amish aren't opposed to technology: just mindful of its impact on their lives.
 
2013-02-26 11:21:21 AM
IS Innovative Solutions' flagship product is a computer modified to NOT be able to connect to the internet or play music or videos.  Huh?  Couldn't you just get a regular computer and, say, not use it for internet, music or videos?  Is this really a category that needs a solution?

Also, "What's on display at the Amish technology trade show" might make a nice PS contest.
 
Skr
2013-02-26 11:26:04 AM

Nurglitch: This thread is kind of sad when the article makes exactly the point that the Amish aren't opposed to technology: just mindful of its impact on their lives.


Their buggies are already getting hit by cars, I'd wager technology has already made a large impact on their lives.
 
2013-02-26 11:27:45 AM
P-p-p-p-powerbook?
 
2013-02-26 11:36:05 AM

Skr: Their buggies are already getting hit by cars, I'd wager technology has already made a large impact on their lives.


Indeed, their reflective orange triangle technology is light-years ahead of any other culture.
 
2013-02-26 11:39:03 AM

adrift1827: Couldn't you just get a regular computer and, say, not use it for internet, music or videos?


Yeah, but you might be tempted to give in to your impulses.

If I were a dick and ran a business I'd buy these for my non-Amish employees to make them focus on their actual work instead of Farking all day.

Or, just buy regular desktops and fill in the Ethernet and audio ports with epoxy.
 
2013-02-26 11:40:40 AM

johnnieconnie: gameshowhost:

Came for this

/leaving satisfied


Ditto.
 
2013-02-26 11:49:00 AM

GoldSpider: Skr: Their buggies are already getting hit by cars, I'd wager technology has already made a large impact on their lives.

Indeed, their reflective orange triangle technology is light-years ahead of any other culture.


That is actually a law (at least in Ohio) that any vehicle operating on the road that has a max speed of less then 25 has to display the Slow Moving Vehicle Sign (the reflective orange triangle).  You can see it on most tractors, and my grandfather put one on his ATV even though he never got a road license for it.  Of course, some Amish fight that law because the triangle is orange and therefore too colorful.

Skr: Their buggies are already getting hit by cars, I'd wager technology has already made a large impact on their lives.


That is actually a pretty damn sad sight.  I have seen two buggies involved in accidents.  One just looked like it had tipped over, and the other....well, nothing like seeing a dead horse on the road during your morning commute (the police haven't even arrived at that one yet when I passed).
 
2013-02-26 11:50:24 AM
Also, the Amish are mean drinkers.  But, if you can stand the smell, you can make a pretty penny driving them around all day.
 
2013-02-26 12:00:22 PM
I thought this was funny from the linked article about the power tools...

One table has the kind of loud, candy-colored machines you might drool over at Home Depot. But instead of running off of electricity (which many Amish people don't use), the tools are powered by compressed air.

"It's almost unlimited the tools you can convert to air," the guy behind the counter tells me. "Drills, impact wrenches, saws, table saws."


Hey dipshiats, how do you compress the air? Happy thoughts? Yes there are manual air compressors, but I'd bet they aren't enough to power a shop full of tools all day.
 
2013-02-26 12:01:01 PM
Does it run on the power of a hundred butter churners?.
 
2013-02-26 12:13:55 PM

Mikey1969: Hey dipshiats, how do you compress the air? Happy thoughts? Yes there are manual air compressors, but I'd bet they aren't enough to power a shop full of tools all day.


They are allowed to use hydraulics...
 
2013-02-26 12:17:47 PM
I'll take eMachines slogans for $200 Alex.
 
2013-02-26 12:18:36 PM

Burr: Mikey1969: Hey dipshiats, how do you compress the air? Happy thoughts? Yes there are manual air compressors, but I'd bet they aren't enough to power a shop full of tools all day.

They are allowed to use hydraulics...


And, under certain circumstances, they are allowed to use gas generators as well.
 
2013-02-26 12:27:35 PM

Burr: Burr: Mikey1969: Hey dipshiats, how do you compress the air? Happy thoughts? Yes there are manual air compressors, but I'd bet they aren't enough to power a shop full of tools all day.

They are allowed to use hydraulics...

And, under certain circumstances, they are allowed to use gas generators as well.


I am really curious, too.  How is it OK to power an air compressor or hydraulics, but not power the saw?  Are there Amish rules on direct use of power?  Anyone help?
 
2013-02-26 12:29:10 PM

Burr: Mikey1969: Hey dipshiats, how do you compress the air? Happy thoughts? Yes there are manual air compressors, but I'd bet they aren't enough to power a shop full of tools all day.

They are allowed to use hydraulics...


OK, so you could hook a manual compressor up to a water wheel, and just let the thing run.  Tank would have a safety valve that when activated shut down the water source via compressed air piston closing off the sluice.  A separate valve would vent the piston when tank pressure dropped below some minimum number, piston would retract, and the sluice would open, causing the water wheel to turn and thus charging up the tank again.
 
2013-02-26 12:30:05 PM

Mikey1969: Hey dipshiats, how do you compress the air? Happy thoughts? Yes there are manual air compressors, but I'd bet they aren't enough to power a shop full of tools all day.


They buy compressed air cylinders?
 
2013-02-26 12:31:41 PM
My fiance works at a company that creates test kits to detect antibiotics in milk and she talks to amish farmers from time to time on the phone - always struck me as funny

/csb
 
2013-02-26 12:35:01 PM

Mad_Radhu: Mikey1969: Hey dipshiats, how do you compress the air? Happy thoughts? Yes there are manual air compressors, but I'd bet they aren't enough to power a shop full of tools all day.

They buy compressed air cylinders?


To be honest, I think they use windmills and watermills to drive the compressors. Some use diesel or even steam engines, as they had adopted belt driven tools years ago and it is fairly easy to belt drive a compressor and then feed the air to the tools.
 
2013-02-26 12:35:23 PM
I work in Amish/Mennonite country. It's weird talking to an 18th century dude only to have the conversation interrupted by a call coming in on his iPhone.
 
2013-02-26 12:36:29 PM

dittybopper: Burr: Mikey1969: Hey dipshiats, how do you compress the air? Happy thoughts? Yes there are manual air compressors, but I'd bet they aren't enough to power a shop full of tools all day.

They are allowed to use hydraulics...

OK, so you could hook a manual compressor up to a water wheel, and just let the thing run.  Tank would have a safety valve that when activated shut down the water source via compressed air piston closing off the sluice.  A separate valve would vent the piston when tank pressure dropped below some minimum number, piston would retract, and the sluice would open, causing the water wheel to turn and thus charging up the tank again.


Rube, is that you?
 
2013-02-26 12:40:57 PM

Mad_Radhu: Mikey1969: Hey dipshiats, how do you compress the air? Happy thoughts? Yes there are manual air compressors, but I'd bet they aren't enough to power a shop full of tools all day.

They buy compressed air cylinders?


Which are filled by electricity, and don't store THAT much air. That would be a horribly inefficient way of doing things financially.

CheatCommando: To be honest, I think they use windmills and watermills to drive the compressors. Some use diesel or even steam engines, as they had adopted belt driven tools years ago and it is fairly easy to belt drive a compressor and then feed the air to the tools.


That's more plausible, but those engines need electricity in some form to run, unles they crank start them. As for the windmills and water wheels, I don't see those building up enough compression to run the tools for very long, but it's possible.

Burr: And, under certain circumstances, they are allowed to use gas generators as well.


Which produce electricity, and would just cut out the middle man and remove the need for the air powered tools anyway. This is what will keep me up at nights now, everything leads to a new paradox, IMHO.
 
2013-02-26 12:42:46 PM
It's another reminder that the Amish aren't against technology, they are just slower to adopt and more purposeful about the kinds of technology that enters their lives.

Other Christian sects are just one step ahead. Sexy movies are okay, but porn isn't. Abortions and birth control are bad. And what's this I hear about the world not being flat?!

\sects
 
2013-02-26 12:46:06 PM

Mikey1969: unles they crank start them


They do. There's a thriving Amish community in north central Ohio not far from where I went to college, and the machine shop I saw there (using belt driven tools) had a hand started diesel motor to turn the belts and a giant spaghetti system of belts running all over the place.
 
2013-02-26 12:46:25 PM

Slam Bradley: My fiance works at a company that creates test kits to detect antibiotics in milk and she talks to amish farmers from time to time on the phone - always struck me as funny

/csb


Most communities have "phone booths".  Basically, a shack away from the houses with a phone in it (and electricity running to it of course).

oldfarthenry: I work in Amish/Mennonite country. It's weird talking to an 18th century dude only to have the conversation interrupted by a call coming in on his iPhone.


It's pretty funny to see a Mennonite driving down the road on a motorcycle.

It's also funny to see a hitching post at the Wal-Mart and Hospital in Millersburg, Ohio (Holmes County, densest Amish population in the US I believe).
 
2013-02-26 12:50:59 PM

Mikey1969: Which produce electricity, and would just cut out the middle man and remove the need for the air powered tools anyway. This is what will keep me up at nights now, everything leads to a new paradox, IMHO.


Sometimes I think it is less about "not using electricity" and more about "staying off the grid".  Amish communities thrive on self sustainability and try not to get entrapped with "ease of access to electricity" which would diminish their ability to survive.

/my 2 cents
 
2013-02-26 12:52:40 PM
The Amish people really impress me.

Remember a few years ago when that psycho attacked and killed some kids in one of their schools? IIRC the cops killed him, but the Amish weren't screaming for vengeance. They were sad, but very calm and even forgiving. That may sound a bit crazy but it's actually very sane.

If I'm ever really down on my luck and become homeless I'm going to find an Amish community. I have no doubt that they'd offer me a place to sleep and some food to eat. It might not be luxurious, but it would be better than sleeping on the street. They'd probably expect me to do some chores, but that's totally fair.

Maybe I'm wrong. I know they don't really like outsiders, but if I were willing to make an effort, I think they'd help.

I already got a good beard going. My Braun razor just died.

They'd probably expect me to give up Fark though.

I think I'd survive without Fark.
 
2013-02-26 12:52:42 PM
Also, my (now deceased) father in law was talking to one of the local Amish one day.  The Amish man was lamenting the fact that he used to be able to predict the weather based on how the animals acted, and lost that ability because of the weather report in the newspaper.
 
2013-02-26 12:53:43 PM

Mikey1969: Hey dipshiats, how do you compress the air? Happy thoughts? Yes there are manual air compressors, but I'd bet they aren't enough to power a shop full of tools all day.


Homely Mennonite girls spend all day blowing air into straws to pump up the pressure.
Hey, you gotta have some way to keep the Amish boys down on the farm after they've seen the lights of rumspringa.
 
2013-02-26 12:54:12 PM

Happy Hours: I already got a good beard going. My Braun razor just died.


Are you married?  Marriage is when the men start growing the beard.
 
2013-02-26 01:00:24 PM
discordium:
I am really curious, too.  How is it OK to power an air compressor or hydraulics, but not power the saw?  Are there Amish rules on direct use of power?  Anyone help?

It's kind of complicated. The rules are locally determined by district and bishop and sect. But the general idea is ...  Will this technology move people away from their relationship with God/family/religious community? And/or will it bring with it, other influences that may do so?"

For instance, some farmers will have electricity or generator for the barn, but not for the house. Reason being, that you can have a milking operation that conforms to local sanitary laws in order to run your business and sell your milk, but there is no electricity in the house to run TV/Radio/ Microwave that could erode family life and bring in outside ideas/values.

Sometimes there's just generator because being connected to the grid is forcing you to be a part of the outside world. Not that have to buy diesel for your generator doesn't connect you to the world either, but some see it as a lesser evil.

Again, it all varies by sect. And remember that this is religion that we're talking about. Religion can produce all kinds of cognitive dissonance if you think about it too hard.
 
2013-02-26 01:03:50 PM

discordium: Burr: Burr: Mikey1969: Hey dipshiats, how do you compress the air? Happy thoughts? Yes there are manual air compressors, but I'd bet they aren't enough to power a shop full of tools all day.

They are allowed to use hydraulics...

And, under certain circumstances, they are allowed to use gas generators as well.

I am really curious, too.  How is it OK to power an air compressor or hydraulics, but not power the saw?  Are there Amish rules on direct use of power?  Anyone help?


help? ok, religion's rules be cray cray yo. like that big debate they had in judaism about whether pushing elevator buttons constituted doing 'work' on the sabbath. so instead, now elevators just stop on all the floors so they don't have to do the serious business of pushing buttons on the sabbath. pretty much all religions are like this. i just used this anecdote because i found it highly amusing when i first heard about it.
 
2013-02-26 01:03:56 PM

CheatCommando: Mikey1969: unles they crank start them

They do. There's a thriving Amish community in north central Ohio not far from where I went to college, and the machine shop I saw there (using belt driven tools) had a hand started diesel motor to turn the belts and a giant spaghetti system of belts running all over the place.


That's insane, but at least the dielsels don't need electric spark, so they stay away from that...

Burr: Mikey1969: Which produce electricity, and would just cut out the middle man and remove the need for the air powered tools anyway. This is what will keep me up at nights now, everything leads to a new paradox, IMHO.

Sometimes I think it is less about "not using electricity" and more about "staying off the grid".  Amish communities thrive on self sustainability and try not to get entrapped with "ease of access to electricity" which would diminish their ability to survive.

/my 2 cents


That actually makes sense. It might also explain how you can buy that "hand-crafted Amish fireplace" which is really just an electric fireplace with a nice wooden frame. :-)
 
2013-02-26 01:15:27 PM

divgradcurl: ok, religion's rules be cray cray yo


Don't lump me in with them, jerkass. Their nonsense goes way beyond me.
 
2013-02-26 01:19:48 PM

discordium: Burr: Burr: Mikey1969: Hey dipshiats, how do you compress the air? Happy thoughts? Yes there are manual air compressors, but I'd bet they aren't enough to power a shop full of tools all day.

They are allowed to use hydraulics...

And, under certain circumstances, they are allowed to use gas generators as well.

I am really curious, too.  How is it OK to power an air compressor or hydraulics, but not power the saw?  Are there Amish rules on direct use of power?  Anyone help?


They will use technology as part of their work but refrain from using it to make their home life "easy".

We added an addition to our house this year - we used an Amish framing crew we have known for years.
They arrive on time and are working within seconds of arrival.  They use a non-Amish person to drive them around (almost an hour to my house) they pay the guy to basically sit there all day and run the occassional errand.

They happily used a gasoline generator, electric and battery powered drills and saws and the "boss" would use the drivers cell phone whenever he needed to make a call - if it is for work they (at least from this sect) can pretty much use whatever is needed to do the job - obviously no one would hire them if it took 50 times as long for them to cut every board with a hand saw and drive every nail with a hammer.

All in all they are very nice people, humble (being humble is very important), hard working and respectful.
 
2013-02-26 01:21:35 PM
Selling points:

*  The Amish Computer has more channels blocked out than the Flander's Family TV.
*  Your Mother can understand it.
*  No $5 fee for TotalFark.
*  Runs on two AAA batteries.
*  Sound is permanently muted.
*  No danger of NSFW material.
*  It costs less than a Palm Pilot and does everything a Palm Pilot can do.
*  It's got a built-in perpetual calendar--made of paper--so no Y3K problems.
*  It can be moved around with a hand-cart, so yes, it has mobile capability.
*  It's already totally non-compatible with 4G, 5G and 6G communications.
*  It comes in any color you like provided you are inordinately fond of black.
*  It is Microsoft and Apple crap-ware free.
*  The desk top consists of a real desk top in your choice of walnut, maple, birch or pine.
*  It won't be obsolete before you buy it. It's already obsolete before it's built.
 
2013-02-26 01:28:00 PM

Slam Bradley


My fiance works at a company that creates test kits to detect antibiotics in milk and she talks to amish farmers from time to time on the phone - always struck me as funny


Amish people are generally permitted to use phones. They desire to keep technology and such things out of their homes to minimize the intrusion or effects, but they can go to a centrally-located phone - e.g. in town somewhere - to make a call.
 
2013-02-26 01:30:39 PM

Mikey1969: That actually makes sense. It might also explain how you can buy that "hand-crafted Amish fireplace" which is really just an electric fireplace with a nice wooden frame. :-)


Lehmans Non-Electric Amish Goods

If, for some odd reason, you are ever around north central-ish Ohio (a little to the east actually) this is a pretty neat place to stop.

Also recommended is Heines Cheese Chalet... its basically like when you go to the supermarket and they have a free sample of cheese.... X 100.
assets.byways.org
Resist the urge to sample all the cheese, your colon will thank you by not bricking up.

/Also, a bakery is across the road and a winery (Breitenbachs) is not too far away.  So, you can have a cheese, bread, and wine day courtesy of the Amish.
 
2013-02-26 01:43:36 PM
25.media.tumblr.com

Oh, 'tis a fine barn, but sure 'tis no computer, English.
 
2013-02-26 02:13:00 PM

Burr: Happy Hours: I already got a good beard going. My Braun razor just died.

Are you married?  Marriage is when the men start growing the beard.


I'm not...I'm a widower. Yeah that's the ticket. Should probably get me some sympathy too.

I had 5 kids, but they were all killed in a horrible accident.

That should even get me more sympathy

/actually single with no kids
 
2013-02-26 02:31:25 PM
Good! My plan to create the first Amish online dating site is one step closer to fruition.
 
2013-02-26 02:37:31 PM

Burr: Mikey1969: That actually makes sense. It might also explain how you can buy that "hand-crafted Amish fireplace" which is really just an electric fireplace with a nice wooden frame. :-)

Lehmans Non-Electric Amish Goods

If, for some odd reason, you are ever around north central-ish Ohio (a little to the east actually) this is a pretty neat place to stop.

Also recommended is Heines Cheese Chalet... its basically like when you go to the supermarket and they have a free sample of cheese.... X 100.
[assets.byways.org image 160x240]
Resist the urge to sample all the cheese, your colon will thank you by not bricking up.

/Also, a bakery is across the road and a winery (Breitenbachs) is not too far away.  So, you can have a cheese, bread, and wine day courtesy of the Amish.


That would be cool if I ever made it up that way. Love the cheese shop thing, we have a local grocery store that actually has a cheesemonger, yum!!
 
2013-02-26 02:38:02 PM

MrEricSir: Good! My plan to create the first Amish online dating site is one step closer to fruition.


I few years ago I heard a story about how Amish communities were looking for "fresh genetic material" from outsiders due to the issues they were having with communities being so...close.
 
2013-02-26 02:38:41 PM

Burr: Mikey1969: That actually makes sense. It might also explain how you can buy that "hand-crafted Amish fireplace" which is really just an electric fireplace with a nice wooden frame. :-)

Lehmans Non-Electric Amish Goods

If, for some odd reason, you are ever around north central-ish Ohio (a little to the east actually) this is a pretty neat place to stop.

Also recommended is Heines Cheese Chalet... its basically like when you go to the supermarket and they have a free sample of cheese.... X 100.

Resist the urge to sample all the cheese, your colon will thank you by not bricking up.

/Also, a bakery is across the road and a winery (Breitenbachs) is not too far away.  So, you can have a cheese, bread, and wine day courtesy of the Amish.


We have to live fairly close to each other. I've been to all of those places several times. Breitenbach wine is pretty tasty.

/Canton
 
2013-02-26 02:51:19 PM

jim-jim: Burr: Mikey1969: That actually makes sense. It might also explain how you can buy that "hand-crafted Amish fireplace" which is really just an electric fireplace with a nice wooden frame. :-)

Lehmans Non-Electric Amish Goods

If, for some odd reason, you are ever around north central-ish Ohio (a little to the east actually) this is a pretty neat place to stop.

Also recommended is Heines Cheese Chalet... its basically like when you go to the supermarket and they have a free sample of cheese.... X 100.

Resist the urge to sample all the cheese, your colon will thank you by not bricking up.

/Also, a bakery is across the road and a winery (Breitenbachs) is not too far away.  So, you can have a cheese, bread, and wine day courtesy of the Amish.

We have to live fairly close to each other. I've been to all of those places several times. Breitenbach wine is pretty tasty.

/Canton


I live in southeast Ohio (Cambridge), but yeah I get up that way sometimes.  I might get to those places once a year, but thankfully Breitenbach is sold around here.  Of course, Dutch Valley Breakfast Buffet is a must whenever I am out that way.
 
2013-02-26 02:55:39 PM

Mikey1969: That would be cool if I ever made it up that way. Love the cheese shop thing, we have a local grocery store that actually has a cheesemonger, yum!!


They also have an area where you can see them making the cheese.  Word of advice, if you go expecting to sample all the cheese you are setting yourself up for failure (trust me, you don't want to, unless you take some laxative or something) .
 
2013-02-26 03:14:52 PM
Is it something like this?
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-02-26 03:16:51 PM
I approve of this headline.
 
2013-02-26 03:29:07 PM
static1.businessinsider.com

If you come to visit, you'll be bored to tears.
We haven't even paid the phone bill in 300 years.
But we ain't really quaint, so please, don't point and stare.
We're just technologically impaired.
 
2013-02-26 03:31:39 PM

Latinwolf: Is it something like this?
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]


No, that's way too colorful. It's more like this:

images.chinahighlights.com
 
2013-02-26 03:33:47 PM
I love the advertisement bullet points.

No Music!
No Internet!
No Video!
No Games!

/...and now I know where my boss finds our workstations.
 
2013-02-26 03:59:42 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: [upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600]


Came here for Babbage.  Leaving satisfied.
 
2013-02-26 04:35:11 PM

CheatCommando: Mad_Radhu: Mikey1969: Hey dipshiats, how do you compress the air? Happy thoughts? Yes there are manual air compressors, but I'd bet they aren't enough to power a shop full of tools all day.

They buy compressed air cylinders?

To be honest, I think they use windmills and watermills to drive the compressors. Some use diesel or even steam engines, as they had adopted belt driven tools years ago and it is fairly easy to belt drive a compressor and then feed the air to the tools.


This.  Even a small stream is more than capable of charging up a moderately sized compressed air tank with a good water wheel attached to it.  Larger water wheels, windmills, small engines, even hooking the horse to a wheel.  Lots of ways that are perfectly viable.

And don't kid yourself: compressed air tech has been around for more than 100 years, ever since people saw the power of steam and thought "you know what would be great? If having a burst pipe DIDN'T boil me alive and cut through my flesh like the sharpest blade ever."
 
2013-02-26 04:44:06 PM

yukichigai: CheatCommando: Mad_Radhu: Mikey1969: Hey dipshiats, how do you compress the air? Happy thoughts? Yes there are manual air compressors, but I'd bet they aren't enough to power a shop full of tools all day.

They buy compressed air cylinders?

To be honest, I think they use windmills and watermills to drive the compressors. Some use diesel or even steam engines, as they had adopted belt driven tools years ago and it is fairly easy to belt drive a compressor and then feed the air to the tools.

This.  Even a small stream is more than capable of charging up a moderately sized compressed air tank with a good water wheel attached to it.  Larger water wheels, windmills, small engines, even hooking the horse to a wheel.  Lots of ways that are perfectly viable.

And don't kid yourself: compressed air tech has been around for more than 100 years, ever since people saw the power of steam and thought "you know what would be great? If having a burst pipe DIDN'T boil me alive and cut through my flesh like the sharpest blade ever."


Ya. Old school tech was all belt driven via a single source. It works, though you lose some in the belts and transmissions and so on, and it's less efficient than pure electric, but it's simple nearly bullet proof tech, can be powered by almost anything and hooked to a shockingly wide variety of devices, etc.
 
2013-02-26 04:49:40 PM

discordium: Burr: Burr: Mikey1969: Hey dipshiats, how do you compress the air? Happy thoughts? Yes there are manual air compressors, but I'd bet they aren't enough to power a shop full of tools all day.

They are allowed to use hydraulics...

And, under certain circumstances, they are allowed to use gas generators as well.

I am really curious, too.  How is it OK to power an air compressor or hydraulics, but not power the saw?  Are there Amish rules on direct use of power?  Anyone help?




Always a loophole.


God isn't very clever.
 
2013-02-26 04:52:02 PM

Harridan: Sometimes there's just generator because being connected to the grid is forcing you to be a part of the outside world. Not that have to buy diesel for your generator doesn't connect you to the world either, but some see it as a lesser evil.


I have seen a couple of Amish Farms in Indiana with wind turbines for power, as you mentioned it is feeding the barn not the house, but that seems to be allowed since nature is the power source, just like the electric lights on their buggies powered by batteries recharged by solar cells.
 
2013-02-26 04:57:43 PM
It makes me sad that "No Music!" is a selling feature.
 
2013-02-26 05:14:34 PM
The Amish are pretty good bowlers also.
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2013-02-26 05:18:21 PM

Mikey1969: Mad_Radhu: Mikey1969: Hey dipshiats, how do you compress the air? Happy thoughts? Yes there are manual air compressors, but I'd bet they aren't enough to power a shop full of tools all day.

They buy compressed air cylinders?

Which are filled by electricity, and don't store THAT much air. That would be a horribly inefficient way of doing things financially.

CheatCommando: To be honest, I think they use windmills and watermills to drive the compressors. Some use diesel or even steam engines, as they had adopted belt driven tools years ago and it is fairly easy to belt drive a compressor and then feed the air to the tools.

That's more plausible, but those engines need electricity in some form to run, unles they crank start them. As for the windmills and water wheels, I don't see those building up enough compression to run the tools for very long, but it's possible.

Burr: And, under certain circumstances, they are allowed to use gas generators as well.

Which produce electricity, and would just cut out the middle man and remove the need for the air powered tools anyway. This is what will keep me up at nights now, everything leads to a new paradox, IMHO.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_mill

I know some of the Mennonites living near Hestand, KY who have a "Horse Mill" used to drive several machines such as band saws, air compressors, Feed grinders, Flour mills, and grinding wheels. The big draft horses are not always able to get regular exercise on some of the farms, so they hitch them to the "Horse Mill" where they walk for an hour powering the different machines that the guys there use. Using this they can run anything requiring a PTO drive. So no, electricity is not required for this process. They also use a similar technology to process Sorghum Cane into a syrup which gets boiled down into molasses.
 
2013-02-26 05:34:19 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: [upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600]


Came for this, see it was  covered. Carry on.
 
2013-02-26 09:22:05 PM

Happy Hours: The Amish people really impress me.

Remember a few years ago when that psycho attacked and killed some kids in one of their schools? IIRC the cops killed him, but the Amish weren't screaming for vengeance. They were sad, but very calm and even forgiving. That may sound a bit crazy but it's actually very sane.

If I'm ever really down on my luck and become homeless I'm going to find an Amish community. I have no doubt that they'd offer me a place to sleep and some food to eat. It might not be luxurious, but it would be better than sleeping on the street. They'd probably expect me to do some chores, but that's totally fair.

Maybe I'm wrong. I know they don't really like outsiders, but if I were willing to make an effort, I think they'd help.

I already got a good beard going. My Braun razor just died.

They'd probably expect me to give up Fark though.

I think I'd survive without Fark.


IIRC, some of the Amish actually went with the widow of the killer to his funeral and donated money to his family.  I know I couldnt do that.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14900930
 
2013-02-26 09:37:51 PM

Happy Hours: They'd probably expect me to give up Fark though.

I think I'd survive without Fark.


Sure, if you call THAT surviving...
 
2013-02-26 09:53:27 PM
I've been watching the show Banshee on Cinemax, so I'm something of an expert on the Amish.  One thing I've noticed, there are a lot of murderers and whores among them.
 
2013-02-27 01:24:41 AM
That said, however, the description looks like a great way to off-load outdated technology. No Internet? No sound? Tiny amounts of memory/storage space? No problem!
 
2013-02-27 03:19:30 AM
Hey, fark you Amish people!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-27 07:17:06 AM

Happy Hours: Burr: Happy Hours: I already got a good beard going. My Braun razor just died.

Are you married?  Marriage is when the men start growing the beard.

I'm not...I'm a widower. Yeah that's the ticket. Should probably get me some sympathy too.

I had 5 kids, but they were all killed in a horrible accident.

That should even get me more sympathy

/actually single with no kids

because they are dead and so is the wife

dat right?
 
2013-02-27 07:25:06 AM
a buddy of mine owns a business driving the amish around as a taxi service... Apparently some decent money, but he never gets more than a couple hours of sleep because there is such a high demand for the service
 
2013-03-01 11:48:22 PM

kroonermanblack: yukichigai: CheatCommando: Mad_Radhu: Mikey1969: Hey dipshiats, how do you compress the air? Happy thoughts? Yes there are manual air compressors, but I'd bet they aren't enough to power a shop full of tools all day.

They buy compressed air cylinders?

To be honest, I think they use windmills and watermills to drive the compressors. Some use diesel or even steam engines, as they had adopted belt driven tools years ago and it is fairly easy to belt drive a compressor and then feed the air to the tools.

This.  Even a small stream is more than capable of charging up a moderately sized compressed air tank with a good water wheel attached to it.  Larger water wheels, windmills, small engines, even hooking the horse to a wheel.  Lots of ways that are perfectly viable.

And don't kid yourself: compressed air tech has been around for more than 100 years, ever since people saw the power of steam and thought "you know what would be great? If having a burst pipe DIDN'T boil me alive and cut through my flesh like the sharpest blade ever."

Ya. Old school tech was all belt driven via a single source. It works, though you lose some in the belts and transmissions and so on, and it's less efficient than pure electric, but it's simple nearly bullet proof tech, can be powered by almost anything and hooked to a shockingly wide variety of devices, etc.


Best place to see some old Belt-drive tech would be the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn.  They have a flywheel that has to be thirty feet in diameter, and I dont want to imagine how many tons.
 
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