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2013-02-26 07:52:07 AM
The Boston Tea Party WAS terrorism.  Freedom Fighters = The guys that win.  Terrorists = The guys the freedom fighters don't want to win.
 
2013-02-26 08:25:43 AM
Gee, next thing you know, they'll be telling Canadian high school teachers not to refer to all Americans as "rednecks".

I do not necessarily agree with this...
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-26 08:27:36 AM
An unnamed student informed  WND

At first I thought this was a real story.
 
2013-02-26 08:59:36 AM
This has to be the greatest troll I've seen today. Unnamed student? Yeah, that sounds legit.

/Please let Fox News pick this up, please let Fox News pick this up, please let Fox News pick this up
 
2013-02-26 09:05:31 AM

Smokey the Bare: This has to be the greatest troll I've seen today. Unnamed student? Yeah, that sounds legit.

/Please let Fox News pick this up, please let Fox News pick this up, please let Fox News pick this up


FTA:

State Sen. Dan Patrick, chairman of the Texas state senate's education committee, Fox News that he found the photograph of the burqa-clad female students disturbing.

Patience.
 
2013-02-26 09:07:33 AM
It's amazing how I managed to learn about world history and cultures without value judgement and indoctrination.  I guess my teachers were lazy.

Thanks, inferior American school system!
 
2013-02-26 09:17:00 AM
Damn--now World Nut Daily stories are getting in as Yahoo? You fargin' iceholes.
 
2013-02-26 09:21:30 AM
I have a sneaking suspicion that all of the adults in the story (and possibly some kids too) need to be smacked around a bit just on general principle. And that includes the curriculum builders. Burqas are illegal in a good number of predominantly Muslim countries and having kids wear them is a completely idiotic idea--its not representative at all of the dominant trends in gendered clothing among more than a billion people.
 
2013-02-26 09:21:43 AM
One man's patriot
 
2013-02-26 09:24:58 AM
WND via Daliy Caller via Yahoo News. It's like news laundering.
 
2013-02-26 09:25:06 AM
Yahoo earns its name. Every Day.
- Dean Swift
 
2013-02-26 09:26:51 AM

gadian: The Boston Tea Party WAS terrorism.  Freedom Fighters = The guys that win.  Terrorists = The guys the freedom fighters don't want to win.


Came here to say this. Although, I'd change it more to "Terrorists=local people we hate. Freedom Fighters=local people we like"
 
2013-02-26 09:29:03 AM

gopher321: Gee, next thing you know, they'll be telling Canadian high school teachers not to refer to all Americans as "rednecks".


When did "arseholes" fall oot of favour?
 
2013-02-26 09:29:12 AM
Uh... pretty much every damned thing mentioned in that article as "hilariously biased" is essentially accurate.

Yet again facts have a liberal bias. F*ck I hate the willfully ignorant.
 
2013-02-26 09:30:03 AM
In that case, John Wilkes Booth was just a freedom fighter, he was fighting for the freedom to practice slavery.
 
2013-02-26 09:30:30 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

www.lsjunction.com

Texas, more than any of the rest of you, has a history that includes terrorists and freedom fighters. Freedom fighters who wanted to be able to keep slaves.
 
2013-02-26 09:30:45 AM
God forbid that Texas actually take a few steps toward educating their people to the extent that they can objectively look at beliefs close to their heart and question them.
 
2013-02-26 09:31:47 AM

gadian: The Boston Tea Party WAS terrorism.  Freedom Fighters = The guys that win.  Terrorists = The guys the freedom fighters don't want to win.


Boston tea party: Throwing tea into a harbor.
Your "Freedom fighters": Killing innocent woman and children by indiscriminately detonating explosives in high populated areas.

Yes, they are exactly the same.
 
2013-02-26 09:31:49 AM

gadian: The Boston Tea Party WAS terrorism.  Freedom Fighters = The guys that win.  Terrorists = The guys the freedom fighters don't want to win.


Aaaand we're done here.

+1
 
2013-02-26 09:32:21 AM
 
2013-02-26 09:32:44 AM

Crewmannumber6: One man's patriot


"We hang together"
 
2013-02-26 09:33:18 AM
A story about an unnamed student that informed WND. . .

Trolling achieved.

One thing interesting FTA:

CSCOPE labels fascism and Nazism as "conservative," despite the fact that both ideologies prescribe that the state should control everything and own all resources.

Uh, fascism/Nazism is conservative, extremely so, that's the whole point.  Nowhere in Fascism is the idea that the state should own all resources.  Last I checked, Nazi Germany had LOTS of private companies getting very rich off of the 3rd Reich.  Private ownership of resources is communism, and violent anti-communism is part of the whole point of Fascism.

Volkswagen started there, the VW Beetle was created originally to be sold there.  Bayer?  The Asprin people?  Yeah, they used concentration camp slave labor. . .and produced the Zyklon B poison gas for the gas chambers through subsidiaries.  Messerschmit?  Focke-Wulf?  Those names that got associated with the Luftwaffe?  Private for-profit companies (in both cases, these two lasted into the 1960's)  That was kind of the whole point of Schindler's List, wasn't it?  A Nazi war profiteer who owned and ran an ammo factory having a change of heart?

Total ignorance of history and political ideologies and creating strawmen versions of them to attack?

Just hammers in the political hit-piece nature of this right-wing anti-leftist "the liberals are trying to brainwash your kids" propaganda.
 
2013-02-26 09:33:40 AM

Big Man On Campus: In that case, John Wilkes Booth was just a freedom fighter, he was fighting for the freedom to practice slavery.


You are correct, except his side lost, thus he was a terrorist.
 
2013-02-26 09:34:09 AM

Big Man On Campus: In that case, John Wilkes Booth was just a freedom fighter, he was fighting for the freedom to practice slavery.


Wasn't he the first actor to really get inside Lincoln's head?
 
2013-02-26 09:34:51 AM
the small town of Lumberton
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-26 09:35:09 AM
Hmm- the Reagan Doctrine revolved around supporting the Mujuhideen freedom fighters in Afganistan.

 sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net

How dare they dispute the great Reagan!
 
2013-02-26 09:35:29 AM
You don't have to like or approve of it, but it never hurts to learn things.
 
2013-02-26 09:35:40 AM

gadian: The Boston Tea Party WAS terrorism.  Freedom Fighters = The guys that win.  Terrorists = The guys the freedom fighters don't want to win.


The truth of the thing, as usual, is complicated.
 
2013-02-26 09:36:09 AM

Point02GPA: Big Man On Campus: In that case, John Wilkes Booth was just a freedom fighter, he was fighting for the freedom to practice slavery.

Wasn't he the first actor to really get inside Lincoln's head?


i.qkme.me
 
2013-02-26 09:37:49 AM
Photos are now surfacing of the incident:

i758.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-26 09:39:23 AM
I always thought history and social studies classes were biased anyway.  They have for the longest time had a pro-white people of European decent slant to them.  Columbus discovered America, manifest destiny in a positive light, indigineous cultures portrayed as savages on every inhabited continent, and on and on and on.  Maybe it's about time the curriculum makers switched it up.
 
2013-02-26 09:40:35 AM

wildcardjack: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x310]

[www.lsjunction.com image 500x340]

Texas, more than any of the rest of you, has a history that includes terrorists and freedom fighters. Freedom fighters who wanted to be able to keep slaves.


Texas really wasn't that much of a slave state and how in the hell does the Alamo or San Jacinto even remotely resemble terrorism. It was farking war.

That said, when I see someone in a burqa I think WTF!?!?!!?!

I saw one recently, but last July saw someone walking across a parking lot i a full burqa and my first thought was WTF? It's not Halloween. Yep, for a split second I thought that. Then I thought, how masochistic do you have to be to dress in black from head to toe and walk across a black asphalt parking lot in the summer when it's 100 degrees outside?

Oh, they're just Muslim - and not a normal Muslim either. The people who wear burqas (or expect their wives to wear them) are a special kind of Muslim. They are the crazy ones. They are the ones who breed terrorists. They are the ones we should not allow into our country.

I don't hate all Muslims, but the burqa wearing kind? Fark them.

I hate the Pope too, so fark off. I'm an equal opportunity hater.
 
2013-02-26 09:40:36 AM
While the Boston Tea Party  was soundly criticized for its anarchistic means (and  Ben Franklin et al pooled money to repay the East India Company and apologize), the moral equivalency to suicide bombers is a bit crass.
 
2013-02-26 09:41:24 AM

gadian: The Boston Tea Party WAS terrorism.  Freedom Fighters = The guys that win.  Terrorists = The guys the freedom fighters don't want to win.


Freedom Fighters= Guts who are fighting for a cause you believe in. Terrorists= Guys fighting for a cause you oppose.

Why this guy thinks Texas was a good place to call Muslims Freedom Fighters= Total mystery
 
2013-02-26 09:41:45 AM

Smokey the Bare: This has to be the greatest troll I've seen today. Unnamed student? Yeah, that sounds legit.


Not a troll. CIA is just up to its old tricks.
 
2013-02-26 09:43:46 AM
Here's the list of people to complain to, should you feel the need to do so.
 
2013-02-26 09:44:16 AM

vpb: An unnamed student informed  WND

At first I thought this was a real story.


Ha, yeah.  I liked this:

A student in the class told WND that the burqa-related lesson focused mainly on the lives of women in Muslim countries. The enveloping outer face and body covering was treated more or less as a fashion accessory.
Apparently, no mention was made of the fact that women in Saudi Arabia and Iran must wear the garment under threat of arrest and criminal punishment.

Let's Google "Women In Iran"\

www.irantravelingcenter.com
 Looks like a burqa to me.


/they have to wear the headscarf and loose fitting tops, yeah
//yes, *this* is what I'm gonna nitpick about the stupid link I actually clicked on
 
2013-02-26 09:44:44 AM
Just to pour some fuel on the flame war that is probably not too far away: just look at what democracy has done for women. Just about all countries where people have been "liberated" from their local dictator in the past decade have seen a huge decrease in women's rights. Democracy, sometimes it really is the problem.
 
2013-02-26 09:44:47 AM
Texas sucks, and you should never come here it's so bad.
 
2013-02-26 09:45:51 AM
You have to admire the boldness of WND in really going for it with this one.  It's almost like a test to see if they can just print up anything with a "source" and see how much it's believed.

This falls into the genre of the conservative outrage story.  These can be seen in an exaggerated manner with the Daily Mail's recurring welfare queen stories, but usually in the illegitimate sense with chain emails about Marines being refused service or an incident where Michelle Obama did something uppity.

You're supposed to read the story, be outraged about how bad things are today, and yearn for a yesteryear when such outrages did not occur.  The older people get the more this type of story appeals to them.  Talk radio is just a stream of these.  There's a huge market for outrage.
 
2013-02-26 09:46:48 AM

Silverstaff: A story about an unnamed student that informed WND. . .

Trolling achieved.

One thing interesting FTA:

CSCOPE labels fascism and Nazism as "conservative," despite the fact that both ideologies prescribe that the state should control everything and own all resources.

Uh, fascism/Nazism is conservative, extremely so, that's the whole point.  Nowhere in Fascism is the idea that the state should own all resources.  Last I checked, Nazi Germany had LOTS of private companies getting very rich off of the 3rd Reich.  Private ownership of resources is communism, and violent anti-communism is part of the whole point of Fascism.

Volkswagen started there, the VW Beetle was created originally to be sold there.  Bayer?  The Asprin people?  Yeah, they used concentration camp slave labor. . .and produced the Zyklon B poison gas for the gas chambers through subsidiaries.  Messerschmit?  Focke-Wulf?  Those names that got associated with the Luftwaffe?  Private for-profit companies (in both cases, these two lasted into the 1960's)  That was kind of the whole point of Schindler's List, wasn't it?  A Nazi war profiteer who owned and ran an ammo factory having a change of heart?

Total ignorance of history and political ideologies and creating strawmen versions of them to attack?

Just hammers in the political hit-piece nature of this right-wing anti-leftist "the liberals are trying to brainwash your kids" propaganda.


Shiat, I went through the public school system in Texas and they made it pretty clear the differences between Fascism and Communism. I think I had one American History Teacher who was a die-hard conservative that purposely fudged the line between the two to fit her world view (Along with many, many other things) but I called her out on it and she pretty much dropped it.

CSB: I would get into arguments with her daily, and she was always shocked that a student would even think to argue with her "truth". Constantly called her out on shiat about the reasons for going to war in Iraq, 9/11, the fact that Clinton tried going after Osama but the Republicans laughed at him and pulled the plug on it, welfare, you name it. I swear she got her info from FWD:FWD:FWD: and she had no problem trying to shove it down her students throats. One day she called me un-American. So I brought a copy of my enlistment papers to her class. Not a peep out of her after that.

/I hate people like her.
//Rest of my teachers were fine, she was the only special one.
 
2013-02-26 09:46:56 AM

Farce-Side: I always thought history and social studies classes were biased anyway.  They have for the longest time had a pro-white people of European decent slant to them.  Columbus discovered America, manifest destiny in a positive light, indigineous cultures portrayed as savages on every inhabited continent, and on and on and on.  Maybe it's about time the curriculum makers switched it up.


upload.wikimedia.org

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-26 09:47:33 AM
An unnamed student informed WND

i737.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-26 09:48:47 AM

nubzers: One day she called me un-American. So I brought a copy of my enlistment papers to her class. Not a peep out of her after that.


Not saying enlisting makes you more American than anyone else, however, in this particular case toward that particular type of person...

www.muzakblog.com
 
2013-02-26 09:48:54 AM

Civil_War2_Time: Texas sucks, and you should never come here it's so bad.


That's not really true.  It's only East Texas that sucks.  The source of the sucking is Beaumont.
 
2013-02-26 09:48:56 AM

Diogenes: It's amazing how I managed to learn about world history and cultures without value judgement and indoctrination.  I guess my teachers were lazy.

Thanks, inferior American school system!


Lucky you.  I took a 'world religion' class senior year in high school taught by a fundamentalist, in public school even.  His attempt to indoctrinate us backfired.  His failure to hide his disdain for other religions turned me on to actually investigate, do research and try to understand other peoples' point of view.

csb
Started to rewatch B5 since I haven't seen it since its original run and between season reruns.  I completely forgot about 'Parliament of Dreams' where each race was to show their dominate religion.  The kicker at the end trying to show Earth's strength with many belief systems and how we seem to somewhat be tolerant to one another about it made me smile.
/csb

/yeah, yeah, indoctrinated into Catholicism since birth, still have some beliefs, turned 'non-denominational' and cares less what someone else believes.
//pain in the arse to the hard core believers/fundamentalists/homophobes in our men's group every week.  It is nice [smug] to be a light in their little echo chamber
 
2013-02-26 09:50:51 AM

Silverstaff: A story about an unnamed student that informed WND. . .

Trolling achieved.

One thing interesting FTA:

CSCOPE labels fascism and Nazism as "conservative," despite the fact that both ideologies prescribe that the state should control everything and own all resources.

Uh, fascism/Nazism is conservative, extremely so, that's the whole point.  Nowhere in Fascism is the idea that the state should own all resources.  Last I checked, Nazi Germany had LOTS of private companies getting very rich off of the 3rd Reich.  Private ownership of resources is communism, and violent anti-communism is part of the whole point of Fascism.

Volkswagen started there, the VW Beetle was created originally to be sold there.  Bayer?  The Asprin people?  Yeah, they used concentration camp slave labor. . .and produced the Zyklon B poison gas for the gas chambers through subsidiaries.  Messerschmit?  Focke-Wulf?  Those names that got associated with the Luftwaffe?  Private for-profit companies (in both cases, these two lasted into the 1960's)  That was kind of the whole point of Schindler's List, wasn't it?  A Nazi war profiteer who owned and ran an ammo factory having a change of heart?

Total ignorance of history and political ideologies and creating strawmen versions of them to attack?

Just hammers in the political hit-piece nature of this right-wing anti-leftist "the liberals are trying to brainwash your kids" propaganda.


The historical revision casting fascism and Nazis as leftists is one of the more disturbing facets of modern day American conservatives.
 
2013-02-26 09:51:05 AM
userserve-ak.last.fm
Whose truth is your truth?
 
2013-02-26 09:51:17 AM
www.robeson.k12.nc.us
 
2013-02-26 09:51:59 AM

SomeoneDumb: You don't have to like or approve of it, but it never hurts to learn things.


Sure, but if the article is to be believed the lesson was rather slanted and agenda driven. The example given is that they were teaching that the burqa was a fashion choice and omitting that women in many of the countries they are discussing are required to wear them by law under threat of a stoning death.

Its the modern equivalent of when whitewashed history lessons used to teach that Chris Columbus landed on Plymouth Rock and offered turkey and all the fixings to make peace with the savages and called it Thanksgiving.
 
2013-02-26 09:52:22 AM
Fought for freedom?
 
2013-02-26 09:52:41 AM

gadian: The Boston Tea Party WAS terrorism vandalism.


Fixed that for you.
 
2013-02-26 09:52:42 AM

Silverstaff: Private Public ownership of resources is communism, and violent anti-communism is part of the whole point of Fascism.


Fixed that for me.  Little typo, didn't want to get called out on it and have it distract from the point of my post.
 
2013-02-26 09:52:49 AM
When I was in 3rd grade the teacher split the class into west and east Germany.  The west got real snacks while the east got the literal crumbs out of empty bags and cupcake wrappers to eat.  The west got to go outside to play and the east had to build block walls that the teacher would knock over once they were completed.  As far as I remember she did this of he own volition.
 
2013-02-26 09:52:52 AM

Joelogon: WND via Daliy Caller via Yahoo News. It's like news laundering.


most people who believe this stuff never read past the headline anyway
 
2013-02-26 09:52:58 AM
Next they'll be teaching students that Washington didn't skip a cherry tree across the Delaware River.
 
2013-02-26 09:53:38 AM
Aren't teachers supposed to be busy teaching No-Child-Left-Behind test-taking techniques?
 
2013-02-26 09:54:42 AM

lewismarktwo: When I was in 3rd grade the teacher split the class into west and east Germany.  The west got real snacks while the east got the literal crumbs out of empty bags and cupcake wrappers to eat.  The west got to go outside to play and the east had to build block walls that the teacher would knock over once they were completed.  As far as I remember she did this of he own volition.


Now that's some fine indoctrination!  No basis in fact, and the only lesson is to hate the East.

Nice to see a teacher bring her A game.
 
2013-02-26 09:56:20 AM

I alone am best: gadian: The Boston Tea Party WAS terrorism.  Freedom Fighters = The guys that win.  Terrorists = The guys the freedom fighters don't want to win.

Boston tea party: Throwing tea into a harbor.
Your "Freedom fighters": Killing innocent woman and children by indiscriminately detonating explosives in high populated areas.

Yes, they are exactly the same.


Of course they're different, but I also wouldn't pretend that the Boston Tea Party consisted of nothing more than a bunch of guys sauntering onto a boat in costume, dumping the cargo and walking home.  It was an angry mob and they did angry mob things.
 
2013-02-26 09:59:03 AM

Super Chronic: It was an angry mob and they did angry mob things.


With hatchets and pistols and trying to be generally terrifying.
 
2013-02-26 10:00:29 AM

Diogenes: Next they'll be teaching students that Washington didn't skip a cherry tree across the Delaware River.


Like Crispus Attucks, Big George could had been just an innocent by-stander in that caper.
 
2013-02-26 10:02:04 AM

nubzers: Silverstaff: A story about an unnamed student that informed WND. . .

Trolling achieved.

One thing interesting FTA:

CSCOPE labels fascism and Nazism as "conservative," despite the fact that both ideologies prescribe that the state should control everything and own all resources.

Uh, fascism/Nazism is conservative, extremely so, that's the whole point.  Nowhere in Fascism is the idea that the state should own all resources.  Last I checked, Nazi Germany had LOTS of private companies getting very rich off of the 3rd Reich.  Private ownership of resources is communism, and violent anti-communism is part of the whole point of Fascism.

Volkswagen started there, the VW Beetle was created originally to be sold there.  Bayer?  The Asprin people?  Yeah, they used concentration camp slave labor. . .and produced the Zyklon B poison gas for the gas chambers through subsidiaries.  Messerschmit?  Focke-Wulf?  Those names that got associated with the Luftwaffe?  Private for-profit companies (in both cases, these two lasted into the 1960's)  That was kind of the whole point of Schindler's List, wasn't it?  A Nazi war profiteer who owned and ran an ammo factory having a change of heart?

Total ignorance of history and political ideologies and creating strawmen versions of them to attack?

Just hammers in the political hit-piece nature of this right-wing anti-leftist "the liberals are trying to brainwash your kids" propaganda.

Shiat, I went through the public school system in Texas and they made it pretty clear the differences between Fascism and Communism. I think I had one American History Teacher who was a die-hard conservative that purposely fudged the line between the two to fit her world view (Along with many, many other things) but I called her out on it and she pretty much dropped it.

CSB: I would get into arguments with her daily, and she was always shocked that a student would even think to argue with her "truth". Constantly called her out on shiat about the reasons f ...


You and your teacher sound like 2 sides of the same coin.

You're both idiots who think too much of themselves
 
2013-02-26 10:02:17 AM

Rapmaster2000: Civil_War2_Time: Texas sucks, and you should never come here it's so bad.

That's not really true.  It's only East Texas that sucks.  The source of the sucking is Beaumont.


I spent a day that felt like a year in Beaumont.
 
2013-02-26 10:07:40 AM

Civil_War2_Time: Rapmaster2000: Civil_War2_Time: Texas sucks, and you should never come here it's so bad.

That's not really true.  It's only East Texas that sucks.  The source of the sucking is Beaumont.

I spent a day that felt like a year in Beaumont.


Ah, I kid about Texas.  But seriously, I only spent an hour in Beaumont and it seemed like a pretty depressing place to live.  On par with some other cities I've visited like Kokomo, IN, Macon, GA, and Dothan, AL.
 
2013-02-26 10:08:42 AM

Glockenspiel Hero: Hmm- the Reagan Doctrine revolved around supporting the Mujuhideen freedom fighters in Afganistan.

 [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 403x403]

How dare they dispute the great Reagan!


Those men in that pic went on to fight the Taliban. At least you had the common sense to not call them Taliban like 4 out of 5 times that pic gets posted.

What's wrong with supporting moderate elements that want freedom? Would you rather we support extremist elements like we did in Egypt and Libya?
 
2013-02-26 10:10:24 AM
The best part of the lesson was when they cut off the hand of a student convicted of stealing
 
2013-02-26 10:12:21 AM

I alone am best: Your "Freedom fighters": Killing innocent woman and children by indiscriminately detonating explosives in high populated areas.


What's that you're saying about unmanned drone strikes now?
 
2013-02-26 10:18:38 AM
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!!!@@@!!!@@@!!!

www.diabetesmine.com
 
2013-02-26 10:19:00 AM

Rapmaster2000: Civil_War2_Time: Rapmaster2000: Civil_War2_Time: Texas sucks, and you should never come here it's so bad.

That's not really true.  It's only East Texas that sucks.  The source of the sucking is Beaumont.

I spent a day that felt like a year in Beaumont.

Ah, I kid about Texas.  But seriously, I only spent an hour in Beaumont and it seemed like a pretty depressing place to live.  On par with some other cities I've visited like Kokomo, IN, Macon, GA, and Dothan, AL.


I know...every state has its shiatholes. Some of my JoCo baseball teammates ended up playing for Lamar U. in Beaumont, and their favorite thing to do was sleep to make the days go by quicker.

I live in the hill country, which is the worst place on Earth.
 
2013-02-26 10:19:48 AM

gadian: Super Chronic: It was an angry mob and they did angry mob things.

With hatchets and pistols and trying to be generally terrifying.


Yup.  This book is next on my reading list, and it seems like a neat effort to combat the tendency of historians to describe the American Revolution, and the events leading up to it, solely by connecting dots between John Locke and Thomas Paine and George Washington.  It was a violent movement, as revolutions tend to be.
 
2013-02-26 10:19:51 AM

Silverstaff: A story about an unnamed student that informed WND. . .

Trolling achieved.

One thing interesting FTA:

CSCOPE labels fascism and Nazism as "conservative," despite the fact that both ideologies prescribe that the state should control everything and own all resources.

Uh, fascism/Nazism is conservative, extremely so, that's the whole point.  Nowhere in Fascism is the idea that the state should own all resources.  Last I checked, Nazi Germany had LOTS of private companies getting very rich off of the 3rd Reich.  Private ownership of resources is communism, and violent anti-communism is part of the whole point of Fascism.

Volkswagen started there, the VW Beetle was created originally to be sold there.  Bayer?  The Asprin people?  Yeah, they used concentration camp slave labor. . .and produced the Zyklon B poison gas for the gas chambers through subsidiaries.  Messerschmit?  Focke-Wulf?  Those names that got associated with the Luftwaffe?  Private for-profit companies (in both cases, these two lasted into the 1960's)  That was kind of the whole point of Schindler's List, wasn't it?  A Nazi war profiteer who owned and ran an ammo factory having a change of heart?

Total ignorance of history and political ideologies and creating strawmen versions of them to attack?

Just hammers in the political hit-piece nature of this right-wing anti-leftist "the liberals are trying to brainwash your kids" propaganda.


Yeah, there is not a single named source in the article. The whole article is BS. You would think that the Hardin County News, their local paper, would at least mention such a dastardly deed if it had happened, but there is not a word of it. It's a crock of shiat that Yahoo picked it up, and also a crock that Fark greenlit it. All WND knows is that it's getting a lot of hits on its BS, they don't care that most half-intelligent people don't believe it.
 
2013-02-26 10:20:00 AM
gadian: The Boston Tea Party WAS terrorism.  Freedom Fighters = The guys that win.  Terrorists = The guys the freedom fighters don't want to win.

And usually both terrorists and freedom fighters want people to know they committed those actions, whereas the Boston Tea Partiers disguised themselves as Native Americans in the hopes that members of those groups would get blamed.
 
2013-02-26 10:24:24 AM

Smokey the Bare: This has to be the greatest troll I've seen today. Unnamed student? Yeah, that sounds legit.

/Please let Fox News pick this up, please let Fox News pick this up, please let Fox News pick this up


http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/state-investigation -l aunched-after-students-dress-in-burqas.html

Not quite there yet...the other sites running with it are have some gold filled, rampaging, seething, xenophobic hate and ignorance blossoming like beautiful unicorn tears in the comments section.

I am gonna get no work done today...
 
2013-02-26 10:28:04 AM
Civil_War2_Time:
I live in the hill country, which is the worst place on Earth.

Now I want brisket.
 
2013-02-26 10:31:39 AM

Silverstaff: A story about an unnamed student that informed WND. . .

Trolling achieved.

One thing interesting FTA:

CSCOPE labels fascism and Nazism as "conservative," despite the fact that both ideologies prescribe that the state should control everything and own all resources.

Uh, fascism/Nazism is conservative, extremely so, that's the whole point.  Nowhere in Fascism is the idea that the state should own all resources.  Last I checked, Nazi Germany had LOTS of private companies getting very rich off of the 3rd Reich.  Private ownership of resources is communism, and violent anti-communism is part of the whole point of Fascism.

Volkswagen started there, the VW Beetle was created originally to be sold there.  Bayer?  The Asprin people?  Yeah, they used concentration camp slave labor. . .and produced the Zyklon B poison gas for the gas chambers through subsidiaries.  Messerschmit?  Focke-Wulf?  Those names that got associated with the Luftwaffe?  Private for-profit companies (in both cases, these two lasted into the 1960's)  That was kind of the whole point of Schindler's List, wasn't it?  A Nazi war profiteer who owned and ran an ammo factory having a change of heart?

Total ignorance of history and political ideologies and creating strawmen versions of them to attack?

Just hammers in the political hit-piece nature of this right-wing anti-leftist "the liberals are trying to brainwash your kids" propaganda.


There was a very strong socialist (and to these people socialism=communism) side of the Nazi Party, of course one night they met some long knives and that was that.
 
2013-02-26 10:32:58 AM

I alone am best: gadian: 
Your "Freedom fighters": Killing innocent woman and children by indiscriminately detonating explosives in high populated areas.


But enough about US drone strikes...
 
2013-02-26 10:34:35 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: vpb: An unnamed student informed  WND

At first I thought this was a real story.

Ha, yeah.  I liked this:

A student in the class told WND that the burqa-related lesson focused mainly on the lives of women in Muslim countries. The enveloping outer face and body covering was treated more or less as a fashion accessory.
Apparently, no mention was made of the fact that women in Saudi Arabia and Iran must wear the garment under threat of arrest and criminal punishment.

Let's Google "Women In Iran"\

[www.irantravelingcenter.com image 311x346]
 Looks like a burqa to me.


/they have to wear the headscarf and loose fitting tops, yeah
//yes, *this* is what I'm gonna nitpick about the stupid link I actually clicked on


The average Iranian has a dog too, that's nice.  I'm moving there.
 
2013-02-26 10:34:39 AM
"CSCOPE labels fascism and Nazism as 'conservative,' despite the fact that both ideologies prescribe that the state should control everything and own all resources."

Aside from the whole fact that I was tricked into reading a WND article, this part bothers me immensely.

I'm an amateur history buff, and one of my areas of interest is WWII in general and Nazi Germany in particular. I don't claim to be an expert -- nowhere close -- but I have a decent understanding of the basics. That statement is simply and factually wrong.

For those people who don't want to get into the complexities, look at one simple thing: the movie "Schindler's List." Who was Oskar Schindler, the protagonist? All else aside, he was a factory owner. He was not a bureaucrat who managed The People's Glorious Factory; he was a businessman who owned the factory.

You can argue whether Nazi Germany and the other fascist states at the time were conservative or liberal. You can argue whether public and state ownership of resources are the same thing, and whether either of them is necessarily communism. You can argue over a lot of things. But you can't argue (truthfully) that the fascist ideology prescribed that the state should own all resources, because there is documented fact and years of evidence showing that it did not.
 
2013-02-26 10:34:55 AM

Digitalstrange: SomeoneDumb: You don't have to like or approve of it, but it never hurts to learn things.

Sure, but if the article is to be believed the lesson was rather slanted and agenda driven. The example given is that they were teaching that the burqa was a fashion choice and omitting that women in many of the countries they are discussing are required to wear them by law under threat of a stoning death.

Its the modern equivalent of when whitewashed history lessons used to teach that Chris Columbus landed on Plymouth Rock and offered turkey and all the fixings to make peace with the savages and called it Thanksgiving.


There is nowhere in the world women are legally required to wear a burqa or an equivalent item. In only one country was that the case (at least in modern times) and that was in Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Saudi Arabia and Iran require women to wear the headscarves only.
 
2013-02-26 10:35:15 AM

Rapmaster2000: Civil_War2_Time:
I live in the hill country, which is the worst place on Earth.

Now I want brisket.


I live two miles from the original Rudy's BBQ, 30 miles from the 2012 national brisket champs, and 50 miles from Salt Lick.

Mmmmm...brisket.
 
2013-02-26 10:41:33 AM
Big Man On Campus~

You're right, I should had added a "too soon" or at least an "obscure?". My bad.
 
2013-02-26 10:45:15 AM

Happy Hours: nubzers: Silverstaff: A story about an unnamed student that informed WND. . .

Trolling achieved.

One thing interesting FTA:

CSCOPE labels fascism and Nazism as "conservative," despite the fact that both ideologies prescribe that the state should control everything and own all resources.

Uh, fascism/Nazism is conservative, extremely so, that's the whole point.  Nowhere in Fascism is the idea that the state should own all resources.  Last I checked, Nazi Germany had LOTS of private companies getting very rich off of the 3rd Reich.  Private ownership of resources is communism, and violent anti-communism is part of the whole point of Fascism.

Volkswagen started there, the VW Beetle was created originally to be sold there.  Bayer?  The Asprin people?  Yeah, they used concentration camp slave labor. . .and produced the Zyklon B poison gas for the gas chambers through subsidiaries.  Messerschmit?  Focke-Wulf?  Those names that got associated with the Luftwaffe?  Private for-profit companies (in both cases, these two lasted into the 1960's)  That was kind of the whole point of Schindler's List, wasn't it?  A Nazi war profiteer who owned and ran an ammo factory having a change of heart?

Total ignorance of history and political ideologies and creating strawmen versions of them to attack?

Just hammers in the political hit-piece nature of this right-wing anti-leftist "the liberals are trying to brainwash your kids" propaganda.

Shiat, I went through the public school system in Texas and they made it pretty clear the differences between Fascism and Communism. I think I had one American History Teacher who was a die-hard conservative that purposely fudged the line between the two to fit her world view (Along with many, many other things) but I called her out on it and she pretty much dropped it.

CSB: I would get into arguments with her daily, and she was always shocked that a student would even think to argue with her "truth". Constantly called her out on shiat about the ...


I was fed up with her using her position as a teacher to push her personal politics in a history class. My apologies for thinking that education should be unbiased.
 
2013-02-26 10:49:09 AM

Civil_War2_Time: Texas sucks, and you should never come here it's so bad.


Bad thing is that Texas is trying to get Californians to move there because of taxes. Taxes imposed by people THEY VOTED FOR.

Way to ruin a perfectly good place.
 
2013-02-26 10:54:15 AM
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

"These people are Freedom Fighters! They'll peel your eyelids back and leave you to fry in the desert!"
 
2013-02-26 10:55:58 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: nubzers: One day she called me un-American. So I brought a copy of my enlistment papers to her class. Not a peep out of her after that.

Not saying enlisting makes you more American than anyone else, however, in this particular case toward that particular type of person...

[www.muzakblog.com image 345x411]


I agree it doesn't make me more of an American then anyone else (There are many reasons I enlisted, none of them being "Well I'm more of a patriot then you!"). But for that certain group of people who want to fellate service members and are vehemently opposed to any kind of progressive policy, well I can't resist pulling that card. "You are an un-American commie fascist for thinking woman should do whatever they want with their bodies/the rich should pay more in taxes/we shouldn't just bomb everyone we disagree with!" "Well here's my military ID, where's yours?"

/I probably shouldn't enjoy doing that so much, but seriously, how demented are you that you think that only right-wing nut jobs are the only ones who think freedom is a good thing and that serving one's country is usually a positive thing to do?
 
2013-02-26 10:56:00 AM

nubzers: I was fed up with her using her position as a teacher to push her personal politics in a history class. My apologies for thinking that education should be unbiased.


replying to me without quoting anything I actually typed?

Amazing.

No, you have an axe to grind and maybe your teacher did too.

Open your mind. You might learn something.
 
MFK
2013-02-26 10:56:25 AM

Joelogon: WND via Daliy Caller via Yahoo News. It's like news laundering.


^^ THIS.

What the fark?
 
2013-02-26 10:57:58 AM

Diogenes: lewismarktwo: When I was in 3rd grade the teacher split the class into west and east Germany.  The west got real snacks while the east got the literal crumbs out of empty bags and cupcake wrappers to eat.  The west got to go outside to play and the east had to build block walls that the teacher would knock over once they were completed.  As far as I remember she did this of he own volition.

Now that's some fine indoctrination!  No basis in fact, and the only lesson is to hate the East.

Nice to see a teacher bring her A game.


You must hate 'Murika.
 
2013-02-26 11:00:16 AM

Latinwolf: the Boston Tea Partiers disguised themselves as Native Americans in the hopes that members of those groups would get blamed.


Or, the colonists did it as a tribute, to symbolize their "America-ness" over their "European-ness", and simply to help disguise their identities. I doubt anybody actually believed that the people dumping the tea were Mohawks, who had no horse in that race, rather than colonial subjects who did.
 
2013-02-26 11:00:58 AM
this story sounded like total b.s. glad to know i was right.
 
2013-02-26 11:01:41 AM

vpb: An unnamed student informed  WND
At first I thought this was a real story.


Actually my first guess was that it was some wingnut teacher pretending that they had been told that, but when I saw WND I figured just plain made up.
 
2013-02-26 11:03:38 AM

Happy Hours: nubzers: I was fed up with her using her position as a teacher to push her personal politics in a history class. My apologies for thinking that education should be unbiased.

replying to me without quoting anything I actually typed?

Amazing.

No, you have an axe to grind and maybe your teacher did too.

Open your mind. You might learn something.


Ok enlighten me then. I'm always open to new things. How did I come off as having an axe to grind when the teacher initiated political discussions during a class with a clear bias that had nothing to do with the subject matter at hand and I offered counters to her ridiculous claims that even as 17 yo I was able to call bullshiat on?

/Also, sorry about not having the direct quote, I hit the button, typed my rebuttal and hit add, didn't proofread
 
2013-02-26 11:04:50 AM

SithLord: Diogenes: lewismarktwo: When I was in 3rd grade the teacher split the class into west and east Germany.  The west got real snacks while the east got the literal crumbs out of empty bags and cupcake wrappers to eat.  The west got to go outside to play and the east had to build block walls that the teacher would knock over once they were completed.  As far as I remember she did this of he own volition.

Now that's some fine indoctrination!  No basis in fact, and the only lesson is to hate the East.

Nice to see a teacher bring her A game.

You must hate 'Murika.


Just the Teabaggers and revisionists.
 
2013-02-26 11:06:13 AM

jehovahs witness protection: Civil_War2_Time: Texas sucks, and you should never come here it's so bad.

Bad thing is that Texas is trying to get Californians to move there because of taxes. Taxes imposed by people THEY VOTED FOR.

Way to ruin a perfectly good place.


I don't know a single Texan that wants any more Californians to move here, and I've been knee deep in the Austin IT (.com) world before. Most Texans blame Californians for ruining the "silicon hills" label we had back in the early 2000s, with their uppity attitudes and lackluster work ethic. Much of the .com bust we had in Austin during that time-frame was due to Californians. They fit as well here as a rich Texan does in Aspen. They also ruined Austin forever.

Californians are not welcome in Texas...unless it's for a visit. Don't move here, please.
 
2013-02-26 11:07:50 AM
Silverstaff:
Nowhere in Fascism is the idea that the state should own all resources

clane:
You're not real bright are you... so Conservatives want the government to take over private industry? Did you get that from NPR or Jon Stewart?
 
2013-02-26 11:10:07 AM

Civil_War2_Time: Most Texans blame Californians for ruining the "silicon hills" label we had back in the early 2000s, with their uppity attitudes and lackluster work ethic. Much of the .com bust we had in Austin during that time-frame was due to Californians.


That's some fine stereotypin' there, Lou.

/seriously, replace Californians with "blacks" or "indians" and then read that
 
2013-02-26 11:11:53 AM
clane, I'm kind of unclear on what you're trying to say there.
 
2013-02-26 11:19:27 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Civil_War2_Time: Most Texans blame Californians for ruining the "silicon hills" label we had back in the early 2000s, with their uppity attitudes and lackluster work ethic. Much of the .com bust we had in Austin during that time-frame was due to Californians.

That's some fine stereotypin' there, Lou.

/seriously, replace Californians with "blacks" or "indians" and then read that


I lived in SoCal for two years right out of college, and hated every minute of it. The first question a Californian typically asks is "What do you do for a living?" Here, it's "Where are you from?"

Nice try, millennial.
 
2013-02-26 11:20:03 AM
The comments below the story hurt my head.  I am glad we are more intelligent, rational and capable of reason on Fark...
 
2013-02-26 11:22:20 AM
This thread is so farking stupid, it's actually sad.

Hey ya'll, remember reading about how the founding fathers and the American revolutionaries, our national "freedom fighters" that fought for our freedom from England and birthed our country, how would randomly execute 20+ people, regardless of affiliation, in various towns every day or two across the American northeast when they were trying to drum up support for their war, which in reality wasn't supported by more than perhaps 10% of the people? Remember how they intentionally used the tactic of spreading terror through multiple random kilings of innocent men, women and children to force their ideology on an unwilling populace?

No? Then stop comparing American revolutionaries to terrorists - they were/are not the same. You demean and delegitimize the use of both words with such stupid and specious comparisons. People who objectively, or even subjectively, compare a "freedom fighter" to a modern terrorist are disingenuous simpletons or trolls.

From a Western perspective, and I think backed up by basic moral reasoning in any well-developed and relatively-liberated country: while "freedom fighter" and "terrorist" categories do indeed overlap by individual definitions, practical application makes them mutually exclusive. The "freedom" that a modern terrorist is fighting for 99.9999% of the time is some ideology that would actually strip away freedoms that the targeted people already hold - that's why terrorists are comfortable with killing random people: those people are either already guilty of violating that ideology's particular morals and "deserve it," or the ideology considers their deaths valuable to the end state regardless of the people's feelings to the matter. It's an attempt to rationalize away the people as less important than "the cause," which automatically makes that cause an enemy of those people.

What freedoms are Islamic fascist "freedom fighters," or Maoist "freedom fighters," or fundamentalist-anything "freedom fighters" actually fighting for? Are they using terror campaigns against general members of the population? If so, they're crossed the line into "terrorist." Reference the PKK terrorists for an example - "freedom fighters" who crossed that line with their MO.

And for the record, if an organization targets only military and security forces of their supposed oppressors, and takes great pains to avoid casualties of innocent civilians, then they get to carry the banner of "freedom fighter" regardless of their merit of their declared "freedoms." Members of the miltary sign up to be put in harm's way for the benefit of their nation. That doesn't mena they'll get to live life in harmony with the rest of the world, if their own actions run contrary to peace with their neighbors. However, if the "freedom fighters" intentionally, and by standard MO, target civilians and non-combatants in order to use the terror of random death to achieve their means, then they are terrorists. It's a pretty simple and clear line. I look forward to comparisons to the US drone strikes, which are based on specific and actionable intel against a known enemy combatant or enemy leader, with a detailed "kill chain" of authorizations to proceed, and where there are far, far more shots not taken than ever even passed on for higher-level approval.

/rant
//that any of this even needs clarification speaks to the erosion of logical thought in modern discourse
///yeah, yeah, this is Fark, I know
 
2013-02-26 11:23:13 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Farce-Side: I always thought history and social studies classes were biased anyway.  They have for the longest time had a pro-white people of European decent slant to them.  Columbus discovered America, manifest destiny in a positive light, indigineous cultures portrayed as savages on every inhabited continent, and on and on and on.  Maybe it's about time the curriculum makers switched it up.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x295]

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You've got to wait until college before teachers go for that kind of stuff.  Once your nationalism is well entrenched we can talk about the exploitation, fark ups, and misrepresentations that have already sunk in.
 
2013-02-26 11:23:38 AM

Worldwalker: clane, I'm kind of unclear on what you're trying to say there.


Reading comprehension fail coupled with weak troll attempt.


cameroncrazy1984: Civil_War2_Time: Most Texans blame Californians for ruining the "silicon hills" label we had back in the early 2000s, with their uppity attitudes and lackluster work ethic. Much of the .com bust we had in Austin during that time-frame was due to Californians.

That's some fine stereotypin' there, Lou.

/seriously, replace Californians with "blacks" or "indians" and then read that


I wish we could replace all the Californians with blacks or indians.
 
2013-02-26 11:26:18 AM

Happy Hours: I don't hate all Muslims, but the burqa wearing kind? Fark them.

I hate the Pope too, so fark off. I'm an equal opportunity hater.


Agreed.

The lunatics strapping explosives to themselves and blowing up civilians are terrorists.

The ordinary people who are horrified by what the fringe idiots are doing in the name of their religion are just, well, ordinary people.
 
2013-02-26 11:35:35 AM

Civil_War2_Time: cameroncrazy1984: Civil_War2_Time: Most Texans blame Californians for ruining the "silicon hills" label we had back in the early 2000s, with their uppity attitudes and lackluster work ethic. Much of the .com bust we had in Austin during that time-frame was due to Californians.

That's some fine stereotypin' there, Lou.

/seriously, replace Californians with "blacks" or "indians" and then read that

I lived in SoCal for two years right out of college, and hated every minute of it. The first question a Californian typically asks is "What do you do for a living?" Here, it's "Where are you from?"

Nice try, millennial.


Speaking as a native-born Texan currently living in SoCal (and has lived here for almost 6 years) the first question I hear is "Where's the weed?"
 
2013-02-26 11:41:58 AM

khyberkitsune: Civil_War2_Time: cameroncrazy1984: Civil_War2_Time: Most Texans blame Californians for ruining the "silicon hills" label we had back in the early 2000s, with their uppity attitudes and lackluster work ethic. Much of the .com bust we had in Austin during that time-frame was due to Californians.

That's some fine stereotypin' there, Lou.

/seriously, replace Californians with "blacks" or "indians" and then read that

I lived in SoCal for two years right out of college, and hated every minute of it. The first question a Californian typically asks is "What do you do for a living?" Here, it's "Where are you from?"

Nice try, millennial.

Speaking as a native-born Texan currently living in SoCal (and has lived here for almost 6 years) the first question I hear is "Where's the weed?"


Go to San Diego, play some disc golf at Morley Field, and just look around on the ground in the tee box areas. You'll find 5-10 kind bud roaches every single day. Smoking bud was the only thing that got me through living in that shiathole, and I lived in PB...which is suppused to be a great place to live. It wasn't.
 
2013-02-26 11:43:52 AM

poot_rootbeer: I alone am best: Your "Freedom fighters": Killing innocent woman and children by indiscriminately detonating explosives in high populated areas.

What's that you're saying about unmanned drone strikes now?


I was unaware that the people present at the Boston tea party were using drones.
 
2013-02-26 11:44:06 AM

Civil_War2_Time: khyberkitsune: Civil_War2_Time: cameroncrazy1984: Civil_War2_Time: Most Texans blame Californians for ruining the "silicon hills" label we had back in the early 2000s, with their uppity attitudes and lackluster work ethic. Much of the .com bust we had in Austin during that time-frame was due to Californians.

That's some fine stereotypin' there, Lou.

/seriously, replace Californians with "blacks" or "indians" and then read that

I lived in SoCal for two years right out of college, and hated every minute of it. The first question a Californian typically asks is "What do you do for a living?" Here, it's "Where are you from?"

Nice try, millennial.

Speaking as a native-born Texan currently living in SoCal (and has lived here for almost 6 years) the first question I hear is "Where's the weed?"

Go to San Diego, play some disc golf at Morley Field, and just look around on the ground in the tee box areas. You'll find 5-10 kind bud roaches every single day. Smoking bud was the only thing that got me through living in that shiathole, and I lived in PB...which is suppused to be a great place to live. It wasn't.


Try living in the IE instead of the coastal areas. You think you had a crap time at PB.......
 
2013-02-26 11:51:11 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Civil_War2_Time: Most Texans blame Californians for ruining the "silicon hills" label we had back in the early 2000s, with their uppity attitudes and lackluster work ethic. Much of the .com bust we had in Austin during that time-frame was due to Californians.

That's some fine stereotypin' there, Lou.

/seriously, replace Californians with "blacks" or "indians" and then read that


It's commonly known as "the people I don't like are the ones who do/did that thing I don't like".  Also known as using confirmation bias in a post-hoc analysis.
 
2013-02-26 11:55:41 AM

khyberkitsune: Civil_War2_Time: khyberkitsune: Civil_War2_Time: cameroncrazy1984: Civil_War2_Time: Most Texans blame Californians for ruining the "silicon hills" label we had back in the early 2000s, with their uppity attitudes and lackluster work ethic. Much of the .com bust we had in Austin during that time-frame was due to Californians.

That's some fine stereotypin' there, Lou.

/seriously, replace Californians with "blacks" or "indians" and then read that

I lived in SoCal for two years right out of college, and hated every minute of it. The first question a Californian typically asks is "What do you do for a living?" Here, it's "Where are you from?"

Nice try, millennial.

Speaking as a native-born Texan currently living in SoCal (and has lived here for almost 6 years) the first question I hear is "Where's the weed?"

Go to San Diego, play some disc golf at Morley Field, and just look around on the ground in the tee box areas. You'll find 5-10 kind bud roaches every single day. Smoking bud was the only thing that got me through living in that shiathole, and I lived in PB...which is suppused to be a great place to live. It wasn't.

Try living in the IE instead of the coastal areas. You think you had a crap time at PB.......


I had to travel all around Cali in my time there, and the IE was one of the worst places I ever had to visit. Not as bad as Compton, Bakersfield, Fremont, Fresno, Sacramento or Oakland, but not too far behind.
 
2013-02-26 11:56:42 AM

Smokey the Bare: This has to be the greatest troll I've seen today. Unnamed student? Yeah, that sounds legit.

/Please let Fox News pick this up, please let Fox News pick this up, please let Fox News pick this up


I've been through Lumberton.  There's no way this is real. 

meat0918: Silverstaff: A story about an unnamed student that informed WND. . .

Trolling achieved.

One thing interesting FTA:

CSCOPE labels fascism and Nazism as "conservative," despite the fact that both ideologies prescribe that the state should control everything and own all resources.

Uh, fascism/Nazism is conservative, extremely so, that's the whole point.  Nowhere in Fascism is the idea that the state should own all resources.  Last I checked, Nazi Germany had LOTS of private companies getting very rich off of the 3rd Reich.  Private ownership of resources is communism, and violent anti-communism is part of the whole point of Fascism.

Volkswagen started there, the VW Beetle was created originally to be sold there.  Bayer?  The Asprin people?  Yeah, they used concentration camp slave labor. . .and produced the Zyklon B poison gas for the gas chambers through subsidiaries.  Messerschmit?  Focke-Wulf?  Those names that got associated with the Luftwaffe?  Private for-profit companies (in both cases, these two lasted into the 1960's)  That was kind of the whole point of Schindler's List, wasn't it?  A Nazi war profiteer who owned and ran an ammo factory having a change of heart?

Total ignorance of history and political ideologies and creating strawmen versions of them to attack?

Just hammers in the political hit-piece nature of this right-wing anti-leftist "the liberals are trying to brainwash your kids" propaganda.

The historical revision casting fascism and Nazis as leftists is one of the more disturbing facets of modern day American conservatives.


I've noticed it happening a lot.  Whenever someone doesn't like/understand an ideology it's automatically considered equivalent to communism.  It seems like an opinion based on fear and it makes me wonder if we ever really grew out of the cold war.
 
2013-02-26 11:59:28 AM
i179.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-26 12:04:48 PM
CSCOPE labels fascism and Nazism as "conservative," despite the fact that both ideologies prescribe that the state should control everything and own all resources.

Yes, and?  I don't see the problem with this statement.
 
2013-02-26 12:05:35 PM

Seraphym: This thread is so farking stupid, it's actually sad.

Hey ya'll, remember reading about how the founding fathers and the American revolutionaries, our national "freedom fighters" that fought for our freedom from England and birthed our country, how would randomly execute 20+ people, regardless of affiliation, in various towns every day or two across the American northeast when they were trying to drum up support for their war, which in reality wasn't supported by more than perhaps 10% of the people? Remember how they intentionally used the tactic of spreading terror through multiple random kilings of innocent men, women and children to force their ideology on an unwilling populace?

No? Then stop comparing American revolutionaries to terrorists - they were/are not the same. You demean and delegitimize the use of both words with such stupid and specious comparisons. People who objectively, or even subjectively, compare a "freedom fighter" to a modern terrorist are disingenuous simpletons or trolls.

From a Western perspective, and I think backed up by basic moral reasoning in any well-developed and relatively-liberated country: while "freedom fighter" and "terrorist" categories do indeed overlap by individual definitions, practical application makes them mutually exclusive. The "freedom" that a modern terrorist is fighting for 99.9999% of the time is some ideology that would actually strip away freedoms that the targeted people already hold - that's why terrorists are comfortable with killing random people: those people are either already guilty of violating that ideology's particular morals and "deserve it," or the ideology considers their deaths valuable to the end state regardless of the people's feelings to the matter. It's an attempt to rationalize away the people as less important than "the cause," which automatically makes that cause an enemy of those people.

What freedoms are Islamic fascist "freedom fighters," or Maoist "freedom fighters," or fundamentalist ...


Dude, that was awesome.
 
2013-02-26 12:06:57 PM

Rapmaster2000: cameroncrazy1984: Civil_War2_Time: Most Texans blame Californians for ruining the "silicon hills" label we had back in the early 2000s, with their uppity attitudes and lackluster work ethic. Much of the .com bust we had in Austin during that time-frame was due to Californians.

That's some fine stereotypin' there, Lou.

/seriously, replace Californians with "blacks" or "indians" and then read that

It's commonly known as "the people I don't like are the ones who do/did that thing I don't like".  Also known as using confirmation bias in a post-hoc analysis.



Nah. Ask most Austinites (who are native Texans) who's to blame for the .com bust and subsequent downfall of traditional Austin, and you'll hear the same sentiment that I've stated.
 
2013-02-26 12:14:38 PM

NameDot: StreetlightInTheGhetto: vpb: An unnamed student informed  WND

At first I thought this was a real story.

Ha, yeah.  I liked this:

A student in the class told WND that the burqa-related lesson focused mainly on the lives of women in Muslim countries. The enveloping outer face and body covering was treated more or less as a fashion accessory.
Apparently, no mention was made of the fact that women in Saudi Arabia and Iran must wear the garment under threat of arrest and criminal punishment.

Let's Google "Women In Iran"\

[www.irantravelingcenter.com image 311x346]
 Looks like a burqa to me.


/they have to wear the headscarf and loose fitting tops, yeah
//yes, *this* is what I'm gonna nitpick about the stupid link I actually clicked on

The average Iranian has a dog too, that's nice.  I'm moving there.


Hmm... Maybe there's some truth to the idea that not all Muslims think the same way. Note that not ALL Muslims think dogs are unclean. There was ONE ancient Muslim leader, (who owned and doted on numerous cats) who pushed the idea, and it took hold to some extent. There's also instances of Mohammed doing things to protect dogs and even blessing some of them. Now, the Iranian government is starting to discourage pet dog ownership, but not directly because of religion. They're doing it because they believe it to be an example of "westernization" in the culture.

Other things many people seem to think are universal about Islam, but actually aren't:
1. All muslim women have to wear some sort of head or hair covering. Not true- the Quran simply instructs that both sexes should dress modestly. Now, in many middle eastern cultures, women customarily wore headscarves and the like, even before Mohammed's time (ever see a depiction of the Virgin Mary where she had her hair uncovered?), so many groups in that area consider that to be "modest dress" for women, but it's not universal throughout the entire religion. Some women don't wear head coverings at all, some only wear them when going to the Mosque, others wear them all the time. What ISN'T right, though, is where governments, such as those in Saudi Arabia and Iran, have required women to wear them, under the guise of religion. But that's how authoritarian governments work- they find something to control the people with, in this case, religion, and then run with it.

2. Women in Muslim countries aren't allowed to drive. Not true. Saudi Arabia doesn't allow women to drive. As far as I know, though, that's it. (and googling it gave me the same conclusion) But the others don't ban women drivers. And note that Saudi Arabia also has a very high highway death rate, too!

3.Muslim countries don't permit the practice of Christianity or other religions. Not true. Different countries have different restrictions on religion, ranging from total freedom of religion, to almost total restriction. In fact, contrary to popular belief, you can build churches and synagogues in Muslim countries, with Saudi Arabia being the exception once again.

Note that I am not a muslim. I just like to research things that matter, and try to correct misconceptions.
 
2013-02-26 12:26:19 PM

Greek: Note that I am not a muslim. I just like to research things that matter, and try to correct misconceptions.


How DARE you!
 
2013-02-26 12:29:15 PM

Civil_War2_Time: Rapmaster2000: cameroncrazy1984: Civil_War2_Time: Most Texans blame Californians for ruining the "silicon hills" label we had back in the early 2000s, with their uppity attitudes and lackluster work ethic. Much of the .com bust we had in Austin during that time-frame was due to Californians.

That's some fine stereotypin' there, Lou.

/seriously, replace Californians with "blacks" or "indians" and then read that

It's commonly known as "the people I don't like are the ones who do/did that thing I don't like".  Also known as using confirmation bias in a post-hoc analysis.


Nah. Ask most Austinites (who are native Texans) who's to blame for the .com bust and subsequent downfall of traditional Austin, and you'll hear the same sentiment that I've stated.


That doesn't surprise me.  It's a common sentiment that the newcomers ruin everything good.  America has been ruined by newcomers since the Germans arrived in Pennsylvania.  The Irish ruined Chicago and then the Poles ruined Chicago and then the blacks ruined Chicago and now it's the Mexicans.  Someone is always ruining someplace.

You've ruined every place you've moved to.  You can count on it.
 
2013-02-26 12:38:28 PM

Rapmaster2000: Civil_War2_Time: Rapmaster2000: cameroncrazy1984: Civil_War2_Time: Most Texans blame Californians for ruining the "silicon hills" label we had back in the early 2000s, with their uppity attitudes and lackluster work ethic. Much of the .com bust we had in Austin during that time-frame was due to Californians.

That's some fine stereotypin' there, Lou.

/seriously, replace Californians with "blacks" or "indians" and then read that

It's commonly known as "the people I don't like are the ones who do/did that thing I don't like".  Also known as using confirmation bias in a post-hoc analysis.


Nah. Ask most Austinites (who are native Texans) who's to blame for the .com bust and subsequent downfall of traditional Austin, and you'll hear the same sentiment that I've stated.

That doesn't surprise me.  It's a common sentiment that the newcomers ruin everything good.  America has been ruined by newcomers since the Germans arrived in Pennsylvania.  The Irish ruined Chicago and then the Poles ruined Chicago and then the blacks ruined Chicago and now it's the Mexicans.  Someone is always ruining someplace.

You've ruined every place you've moved to.  You can count on it.



Hahaha. Spot-on accurate. I'm sure when I lived in SoCal there were similar conversations about me behind the scenes (pre .com bust in 2001 Austin).

Turnabout is fair play, though. They started it ;)
 
2013-02-26 12:45:39 PM

sethen320: I've noticed it happening a lot. Whenever someone doesn't like/understand an ideology it's automatically considered equivalent to communism. It seems like an opinion based on fear and it makes me wonder if we ever really grew out of the cold war.


We lack a really good "Other" to position ourselves against.

Yes, we have "terrorism" but that just doesn't have the same threat as an organized conglomeration of states with the ability to wipe out most life on the planet in the blink of an eye as your opposition.

Give it another 40 years for the bulk of the Cold War era raised people to die off, then perhaps we'll see the default "equivalent" shift from communism to terrorism.
 
2013-02-26 12:48:07 PM
Oooohh, how cunning, subby and tardmins.

Hiding a Daily Caller link behind a Yahoo repost.

Your blog sucks more and more every day.
 
2013-02-26 12:49:13 PM
From the Article: As WND notes, CSCOPE also defines Republicans as lovers of "big business over labor unions."

Well, at least World Net Daily found one factual statement inside CSCOPE!
 
2013-02-26 12:52:43 PM

Digitalstrange: SomeoneDumb: You don't have to like or approve of it, but it never hurts to learn things.

Sure, but if the article is to be believed the lesson was rather slanted and agenda driven. The example given is that they were teaching that the burqa was a fashion choice and omitting that women in many of the countries they are discussing are required to wear them by law under threat of a stoning death.

Its the modern equivalent of when whitewashed history lessons used to teach that Chris Columbus landed on Plymouth Rock and offered turkey and all the fixings to make peace with the savages and called it Thanksgiving.


True, and that's a good point, but I'd much rather (me and the kids, both) be taught something "different" that's incomplete or wrong and fill in the gaps/get corrections later than to never hear anything different or outside any party line.
 
2013-02-26 01:00:10 PM

Worldwalker: clane, I'm kind of unclear on what you're trying to say there.


LIBS EVIL.  No matter what he says, it all boils down to LIBS EVIL.
 
2013-02-26 01:01:35 PM
I think it would be pretty cool to wear a burqa for a day in school as a social studies assignment, just to see what it is like.  I'm sure that one can do some things while wearing a burqa that one would be surprised at (I've seen a woman wearing one running on a treadmill.) but that there are other things that it would prove restrictive for. (How close do you want to move your robed arm to that bunsen burner?)  People could have the experience of looking at other people while never being seen -- being invisible has its powers as well as significant disadvantages.  And what if you were beautiful but no one could tell and all of a sudden people were focused on what you said, not how you looked?  Some kids could have a lot to learn on that score.

I think there are a lot of people who talk about how horrible burqas are who haven't worn one and don't really know.  I personally don't think they can be good, but I've got to admit I've never had the opportunity to try it.
 
2013-02-26 01:24:29 PM

dywed88: Digitalstrange: SomeoneDumb: You don't have to like or approve of it, but it never hurts to learn things.

Sure, but if the article is to be believed the lesson was rather slanted and agenda driven. The example given is that they were teaching that the burqa was a fashion choice and omitting that women in many of the countries they are discussing are required to wear them by law under threat of a stoning death.

Its the modern equivalent of when whitewashed history lessons used to teach that Chris Columbus landed on Plymouth Rock and offered turkey and all the fixings to make peace with the savages and called it Thanksgiving.

There is nowhere in the world women are legally required to wear a burqa or an equivalent item. In only one country was that the case (at least in modern times) and that was in Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Saudi Arabia and Iran require women to wear the headscarves only.


Giggity!
 
2013-02-26 01:30:20 PM

vpb: An unnamed student informed  WND

At first I thought this was a real story.


Yep.  And in Texas, seriously?  Would be more believable if if they claimed it was in California.

So any bets on what really happened?  Maybe the class watched Lawrence of Arabia and this is how WND is reporting it.
 
2013-02-26 01:39:35 PM

vpb: An unnamed student informed  WND

At first I thought this was a real story.


Same here.

I don't know that I can bear to read the head-assploding thread as those that HATE Islam try to reconcile this with their HATRED of WND.


/Divide by zero
 
2013-02-26 01:43:25 PM

office_despot: And what if you were beautiful but no one could tell and all of a sudden people were focused on what you said, not how you looked?


Oddly enough, some people can focus on what you say rather than how you look no matter if you're ugly or good looking.

It's just that it tends to get couched into terms like. "She's really ugly, but she's very smart" or "She's really pretty and she's smart".

Wow, that sounds sexist for some reason, but I don't see anything wrong with being sexy and I think intelligent women are sexy.

But with a burqa, I just think it would be, wow, "She's really smart but she wears a farking burqa"

office_despot: I think there are a lot of people who talk about how horrible burqas are who haven't worn one and don't really know.  I personally don't think they can be good, but I've got to admit I've never had the opportunity to try it.


I'm not a transvestite, so I won't wear a burqa.


Cultural sensitivity can only go so far. I stopped short of saying something to an Indian dude who had a swastika on his lunch bag at work. I know a swastika is some sort of ancient Indian symbol which has nothing to do with Nazis, but come on dude - you're here on an H1-B visa. Can't YOU be culturally sensitive to Americans? There are Jews who work here too you know.

And even if most Americans aren't Jews, we fought a lot of Nazis during WWII. Keep your swastikas at home.

I kid, but seriously that could have potentially led to a lawsuit if it created a "hostile work environment". I wouldn't agree with such a lawsuit, but in our litigious society that was a real possibility.
 
2013-02-26 01:46:29 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: CSCOPE labels fascism and Nazism as "conservative," despite the fact that both ideologies prescribe that the state should control everything and own all resources.

Yes, and?  I don't see the problem with this statement.


If you're referring to the original statement, it's arguably correct (depending on one's definition of "conservative") though, in our current political climate, potentially misleading. But if you're referring to the statement in TFA, that is factually incorrect. Fascism does not prescribe that the state should own all resources. It derives much of its support from the people who do. It's a capitalist tyranny, as opposed to communism which is a socialist tyranny. (in either case the supreme leadership wants to control everything, of course; tyrannies are like that)
 
2013-02-26 01:48:49 PM

vpb: An unnamed student informed  WND

At first I thought this was a real story.


The real story is a "nothing controversial unless you think kids learning about other cultures is controversial" kind of thing.  Link
 
2013-02-26 01:58:10 PM
 
2013-02-26 02:00:03 PM

Mrbogey: Glockenspiel Hero: Hmm- the Reagan Doctrine revolved around supporting the Mujuhideen freedom fighters in Afganistan.

 [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 403x403]

How dare they dispute the great Reagan!

Those men in that pic went on to fight the Taliban. At least you had the common sense to not call them Taliban like 4 out of 5 times that pic gets posted.

What's wrong with supporting moderate elements that want freedom? Would you rather we support extremist elements like we did in Egypt and Libya?


That is a simplification.  Many did go on to fight the Taliban.  Some others became it.  Osama Bin Laden got his start by funding the Mujahideen.

As far as being moderate, that's a rather bizarre statement.  They were indeed freedom fighters (against the Russian invasion) but to call them moderate or freedom loving by Western standards is a huge stretch.  At best they were warlords- after the Russian withdrawl they didn't form any kind of coherent government but went back to fighting with each other.  The Taliban took over simply because they could unite.

The main guy we supported after withdrawl took the weapons we gave him and shelled Kabul, killing thousands- not exactly the activity you want in a "moderate element"
 
2013-02-26 02:12:15 PM

Happy Hours: Oddly enough, some people can focus on what you say rather than how you look no matter if you're ugly or good looking.

It's just that it tends to get couched into terms like. "She's really ugly, but she's very smart" or "She's really pretty and she's smart".

Wow, that sounds sexist for some reason, but I don't see anything wrong with being sexy and I think intelligent women are sexy.

But with a burqa, I just think it would be, wow, "She's really smart but she wears a farking burqa"


Oh, ye of little cynicism.
Mostly in school it's, "She's so beautiful, so she's cool."  The moment you covered those girls' faces would be the first moment most people at school realized what shallow, vapid, and sometimes outright biatchy they were when they opened their mouths.
Just as true of the cute guys as it is of the cute girls, too.
 
2013-02-26 02:28:45 PM

office_despot: I think it would be pretty cool to wear a burqa for a day in school as a social studies assignment, just to see what it is like.  I'm sure that one can do some things while wearing a burqa that one would be surprised at (I've seen a woman wearing one running on a treadmill.) but that there are other things that it would prove restrictive for. (How close do you want to move your robed arm to that bunsen burner?)  People could have the experience of looking at other people while never being seen -- being invisible has its powers as well as significant disadvantages.  And what if you were beautiful but no one could tell and all of a sudden people were focused on what you said, not how you looked?  Some kids could have a lot to learn on that score.

I think there are a lot of people who talk about how horrible burqas are who haven't worn one and don't really know.  I personally don't think they can be good, but I've got to admit I've never had the opportunity to try it.


There is further a massive difference between wearing a burqa here versus somewhere where it is required attire. Also, not only would you not be seen but you would also not be heard. If they really want to teach kids about other cultures, you need to teach the context and the good and the bad. We water everything down and the message is to teach acceptance. Acceptance is cool except when you are accepting of something that is oppressive, violent, and totally backwards. Why should we teach our children to be accepting of a culture that forces women to be treated as cattle and cover themselves up head to toe? A culture that stones rape victims to death.
 
2013-02-26 02:33:43 PM
Meanwhile, in Ronald Reagan's America...

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-26 02:49:53 PM
i121.photobucket.com

Seems legit.
 
2013-02-26 03:01:34 PM

DerAppie: Just to pour some fuel on the flame war that is probably not too far away: just look at what democracy has done for women. Just about all countries where people have been "liberated" from their local dictator in the past decade have seen a huge decrease in women's rights. Democracy, sometimes it really is the problem.


Actually, based on your example, religion is the problem. It's the religious zealots that enforce sharia law and other nonsense - not democracy. Democracy just legitimizes their power when a majority of the country agrees with them.

Religion is almost always the problem anyway, that much should be evident to you...
 
2013-02-26 03:08:04 PM
Cool - a thread where guilty whites can excercise moral equivalence with a 1500 year old political-religious system.  Good luck getting that middle class political vagina of yours moistened.
 
2013-02-26 03:12:29 PM

weltallica: Meanwhile, in Ronald Reagan's America...


i.imgur.com

WTF? Here's a link to it.
 
2013-02-26 03:13:33 PM

The Only Sane Man In Florida: DerAppie: Just to pour some fuel on the flame war that is probably not too far away: just look at what democracy has done for women. Just about all countries where people have been "liberated" from their local dictator in the past decade have seen a huge decrease in women's rights. Democracy, sometimes it really is the problem.

Actually, based on your example, religion is the problem. It's the religious zealots that enforce sharia law and other nonsense - not democracy. Democracy just legitimizes their power when a majority of the country agrees with them.

Religion is almost always the problem anyway, that much should be evident to you...


But religion wasn't a problem in Iraq until Saddam was dethroned. Women held positions in the government and went to school without fear of being killed. Considering the fact that the "majority" wasn't a serious threat until after Saddam means that the new style of government is the cause for the problems. No democracy -> no problems. Same holds for Egypt. Democracy started and people suddenly got out voted on their rights.
 
2013-02-26 03:13:40 PM

weltallica: Meanwhile, in Ronald Reagan's America...

[i.imgur.com image 850x635]


Interesting . . . 1993 UK is now "Ronald Reagan's America."
 
2013-02-26 03:29:02 PM
Dear Subby,

The next time you toss out some WND and/or WND related bullsh*t, a heads-up would be appreciated.

Sincerely,
ten foiled hats

/DNRTFA/CT
 
2013-02-26 03:37:11 PM
First of all... that's a WND article (article refers to WND multiple times.) Dafuq, Yahoo?

Secondly... wait just a goddamn minute.

CSCOPE makes lesson plans that are too "progressive" for Texas, but they're free so 80% of school districts use them anyway? Yeah. Right.

Then some teacher is so offended by having to teach about Islam at all, that he half-asses it, completely missing or glossing over the actual points of the lessons. (The treatment of women in the middle east, which, incidentally, doesn't actually cast Islam or ME culture is a positive light.)

And this is the CSCOPE peoples' fault?

That teacher is not fit to be in a classroom. Not because he's conservative. Not because teachers are lame or unions suck. That teacher should be out on his ass because he's a bad teacher who clearly can't suck it up long enough to read a farking lesson plan, or present that lesson in a coherent and sensical manner.
 
2013-02-26 03:56:45 PM
The story is true. I verified it through telepathic communication with the ghost of a unicorn.
 
2013-02-26 04:32:24 PM
i welcome the religion of peace

so long as they help us get rid of the real terrorists, christians and republicans
 
2013-02-26 04:44:51 PM
This all sounds rather dubious.

And it's from WDN.

I just repeated myself.
 
2013-02-26 04:46:29 PM

Joelogon: WND via Daliy Caller via Yahoo News. It's like news laundering.


And now via FARK.

Why are we wasting time with this again?
 
2013-02-26 04:49:33 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: Hmm- the Reagan Doctrine revolved around supporting the Mujuhideen freedom fighters in Afganistan.

 [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 403x403]

How dare they dispute the great Reagan!


It was actually the Carter doctrine, Reagan just continued it.
 
2013-02-26 05:16:25 PM
"Smug, greedy, well-fed white people have invented a language to conceal their sins. It's as simple as that. The CIA doesn't kill people anymore, they neutralize people or they depopulate the area. The government doesn't lie, it engages in disinformation. The pentagon actually measures nuclear radiation in something they call sunshine units. Israeli murderers are called commandos. Arab commandos are called terrorists. Contra killers are called freedom fighters. Well if crime fighters fight crime, and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part of it to us, do they?"
 
2013-02-26 05:23:40 PM

Gunny Walker: weltallica: Meanwhile, in Ronald Reagan's America...

[i.imgur.com image 850x635]

WTF? Here's a link to it.


Did you not know that OBL was part of the "freedom fighters" the CIA armed and trained in Afghanistan? To the Afghans, he was a hero who helped them drive out the invaders from the Soviet Union.

Then those dirty Afgans had the nerve to take him in and demand proof of his guilt before they would hand him over to us, so Bush said "fark y'all" and invaded.
 
2013-02-26 05:27:47 PM
The CSCOPE curriculum seems to be inherently agenda-driven

Texas should be very experienced in agenda-driven curriculums in their schools.  You reap what you sow.
 
2013-02-26 05:46:59 PM
The CSCOPE curriculum seems to be inherently agenda-driven - particularly in history and social studies courses. The curriculum provider has foisted some on  public school students in The Lone Star State.

Really? Welp, let's look at it, then:

A student in the class told WND that the burqa-related lesson focused mainly on the lives of women in Muslim countries. The enveloping outer face and body covering was treated more or less as a fashion accessory.

Apparently, no mention was made of the fact that women in Saudi Arabia and Iran must wear the garment under threat of arrest and criminal punishment.


Yeah, that's retarded. Cultural relativism is a scientific term, not a moral one; anthropologists need to reserve judgement, but the rest of us are allowed to look at that and say 'yeah, fark no, that's not okay', and you do need to teach children when things are farked up.

For example, CSCOPE has given students material suggesting that Christianity is a cult that parallels the death and resurrection in the story of Osiris, the Egyptian god of the dead. The same material takes pains to point out that early Christians were accused of incest, cannibalism and other atrocities.

...Both of which are  true. Christianity is technically a cult of Judaism depending on which expert you ask,  certainly according to the Bible, and has parallels to a lot of religions. And yes, early Christians were accused of atrocities. Didn't you ever get one of those 'servants will be persecuted alongside their masters' talks?

There's an infamous chart that innocuously describes communism as "the idea of living together in a 'commune' where all people work together for everyone."

Which is true, and the communism you're probably thinking of is actually called Stalinism.  Real communism is, well...as described.

Another notorious CSCOPE lesson (now ostensibly removed from circulation) depicts the Boston Tea Party, the famous protest against taxation without representation, as an act of terrorism.

Not really polite to call the winners terrorists, but yes, under our current definition of the word, it was. Terrorism gets used by good guys, too.

As WND notes, CSCOPE also defines Republicans as lovers of "big business over labor unions." Warm and cuddly Democrats, meanwhile, "will spend more tax dollars on education to benefits [sic] each individual." (The grammar error is CSCOPE's, not WND's.)

So they read the party platforms, then? (Psst--'[sic]' means you don't need to tell us who made the error.  We know.)

CSCOPE labels fascism and Nazism as "conservative," despite the fact that both ideologies prescribe that the state should control everything and own all resources.

Well, yes, that one's true too.

CSCOPE: 5

WND: 1

Horrible, horrible bias, that.
 
2013-02-26 05:53:49 PM

PsiChick: Apparently, no mention was made of the fact that women in Saudi Arabia and Iran must wear the garment under threat of arrest and criminal punishment.

Yeah, that's retarded. Cultural relativism is a scientific term, not a moral one; anthropologists need to reserve judgement, but the rest of us are allowed to look at that and say 'yeah, fark no, that's not okay', and you do need to teach children when things are farked up.


What's not okay and how is it farked up?
 
2013-02-26 05:55:54 PM
I drunk what?

i142.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-26 05:59:59 PM

Precision Boobery: PsiChick: Apparently, no mention was made of the fact that women in Saudi Arabia and Iran must wear the garment under threat of arrest and criminal punishment.

Yeah, that's retarded. Cultural relativism is a scientific term, not a moral one; anthropologists need to reserve judgement, but the rest of us are allowed to look at that and say 'yeah, fark no, that's not okay', and you do need to teach children when things are farked up.

What's not okay and how is it farked up?


Mandating wearing burqas, which, as has been noted, is not mandated in Iran at least, but certainly is de facto mandated in several ME countries. There's some pretty scary horror stories of women dying of asthma attacks because the burqa is basically making it too hot to breathe.
 
2013-02-26 07:02:32 PM
Y'know, the thought just crossed my mind (I know, not a long journey...) that one of the problems in this discussion is that we're using the terms "terrorists" and "freedom fighters" as if they were mutually exclusive. Yet they're not.

Terrorism is a tactic. Freedom is a goal. Two different things.

So terrorists can have any of a number of goals. The DC snipers, for instance, were arguably terrorists, but their goal was to collect a bunch of money. An army fighting to repel conquerors from its country would be freedom fighters, despite using conventional military tactics instead of terrorism. They're not two sides of the same coin -- they're two different coins.

Since WWII has been brought into the thread, it's worth taking a look at some of the unconventional forces that participated. Some of the actions they carried out were undeniably done with the intent of terrorizing their targets -- both occupying armies and collaborators supporting them. They were unquestionably terrorists, and they were unquestionably freedom fighters.

Terrorism is a tactic. Freedom is a goal. Many tactics can be used to achieve the same goal, and the same tactic may be used to achieve many goals. They are not mutually exclusive.
 
2013-02-26 07:27:33 PM

PsiChick: Mandating wearing burqas, which, as has been noted, is not mandated in Iran at least, but certainly is de facto mandated in several ME countries. There's some pretty scary horror stories of women dying of asthma attacks because the burqa is basically making it too hot to breathe.


It may be true that a burqa sometimes makes seeing and breathing more difficult.  It may be true that a burqa offers respiratory and vision protection during dust storms.

So what you're saying is it's not the mandate itself that's wrong, it's the fact that there are no medical exemptions?
 
2013-02-26 07:29:43 PM
This happened in my hometown - and even here, it's scarcely news. That's one advantage to small town talk - the names of people involved gets out and everyone can pretty much figure out the truth.

Saw a reference to Beaumont (7 miles down the road) earlier, recently named the saddest city in America!

http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/beaumont-saddest-city-america
 
2013-02-26 08:12:14 PM

PsiChick: There's some pretty scary horror stories


Yes, but they are supposed to be scary. They are HORROR stories.
 
2013-02-26 08:12:46 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: That is a simplification. Many did go on to fight the Taliban. Some others became it. Osama Bin Laden got his start by funding the Mujahideen.

As far as being moderate, that's a rather bizarre statement. They were indeed freedom fighters (against the Russian invasion) but to call them moderate or freedom loving by Western standards is a huge stretch. At best they were warlords- after the Russian withdrawl they didn't form any kind of coherent government but went back to fighting with each other. The Taliban took over simply because they could unite.

The main guy we supported after withdrawl took the weapons we gave him and shelled Kabul, killing thousands- not exactly the activity you want in a "moderate element"


You're sorta committing a composition fallacy. The United States supported some mujahadeen fighters. Not all. Pakistan and Saudia Arabia also supported some mujahadeen fighters but not all. Some we supported went on to form the Northern Alliance. In the case of Hekmatyar, he benefited due to our giving money to Pakistan and them distributing the money as they saw fit and favoring Hekmatyar. In the US, he wasn't very popular and was "accepted" only in as far as we couldn't cut him out initially. In the US he was one of a few who never met with Reagan. Of course, had he, he'd have been singled out in the photo unlike the other nationalistic mujahadeen leaders who opposed the Taliban that were actually in the photo.

Eventually near the late 80s the US did exert pressure on the ISI and cut off aid specifically to Hekmatyar to which he announced demands that the US and Soviets stop arming either side.

So he wasn't "the main guy we supported" in as much was he was the main guy the ISI supported and funded with our cash till we demanded they stop.  In fact looking at the list I could find, he was the biggest one but one of only a few leaders that went over to the Taliban. The bulk of the men Reagan met seemed to support the Northern Alliance and had it not been for the ISI favoring Hekmatyar, the gov't post-war would have worked.
 
2013-02-26 08:17:15 PM

PsiChick: Precision Boobery: PsiChick: Apparently, no mention was made of the fact that women in Saudi Arabia and Iran must wear the garment under threat of arrest and criminal punishment.

Yeah, that's retarded. Cultural relativism is a scientific term, not a moral one; anthropologists need to reserve judgement, but the rest of us are allowed to look at that and say 'yeah, fark no, that's not okay', and you do need to teach children when things are farked up.

What's not okay and how is it farked up?

Mandating wearing burqas, which, as has been noted, is not mandated in Iran at least, but certainly is de facto mandated in several ME countries. There's some pretty scary horror stories of women dying of asthma attacks because the burqa is basically making it too hot to breathe.


Except that isn't really true. There is certainly no widespread enforcement of an unoffial burka mandate. In fact, some countries, such as Syria, actually restrict the wearing of it.
Primarily it is enforced under tribal warlords in Pakistan and Afghanistan (formerly close allies of the Taliban).

Head scarves are legally mandated in 2 countries and significant social pressure exists throughout the world for muslim women to comply. But very similar ideas have only been out of style for 50 years or so in the west and are really not any different that enforcing modest by outlawing women from being in public without a top.
 
2013-02-27 05:39:44 AM
Did they teach black history month with fried chicken and watermelon, too?
 
2013-02-27 12:34:33 PM

Precision Boobery: PsiChick: Mandating wearing burqas, which, as has been noted, is not mandated in Iran at least, but certainly is de facto mandated in several ME countries. There's some pretty scary horror stories of women dying of asthma attacks because the burqa is basically making it too hot to breathe.

It may be true that a burqa sometimes makes seeing and breathing more difficult.  It may be true that a burqa offers respiratory and vision protection during dust storms.

So what you're saying is it's not the mandate itself that's wrong, it's the fact that there are no medical exemptions?


No, it's just worth noting. Still wrong to dictate how people dress.

dywed88: Except that isn't really true. There is certainly no widespread enforcement of an unoffial burka mandate. In fact, some countries, such as Syria, actually restrict the wearing of it.
Primarily it is enforced under tribal warlords in Pakistan and Afghanistan (formerly close allies of the Taliban).

Head scarves are legally mandated in 2 countries and significant social pressure exists throughout the world for muslim women to comply. But very similar ideas have only been out of style for 50 years or so in the west and are really not any different that enforcing modest by outlawing women from being in public without a top.


Wrong person to argue that to; I support letting people walk around stark naked if they feel the need. :p
 
2013-02-27 02:49:21 PM
Rapmaster2000:  Civil_War2_Time: Rapmaster2000: cameroncrazy1984: Civil_War2_Time: Most Texans blame Californians for ruining the "silicon hills" label we had back in the early 2000s, with their uppity attitudes and lackluster work ethic. Much of the .com bust we had in Austin during that time-frame was due to Californians.
That's some fine stereotypin' there, Lou.
/seriously, replace Californians with "blacks" or "indians" and then read that
It's commonly known as "the people I don't like are the ones who do/did that thing I don't like".  Also known as using confirmation bias in a post-hoc analysis.

Nah. Ask most Austinites (who are native Texans) who's to blame for the .com bust and subsequent downfall of traditional Austin, and you'll hear the same sentiment that I've stated.
That doesn't surprise me.  It's a common sentiment that the newcomers ruin everything good.  America has been ruined by newcomers since the Germans arrived in Pennsylvania.  The Irish ruined Chicago and then the Poles ruined Chicago and then the blacks ruined Chicago and now it's the Mexicans.  Someone is always ruining someplace.
You've ruined every place you've moved to.  You can count on it.


He agrees
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2013-02-27 07:37:20 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: I drunk what?

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LOL funny and clever :D
 
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