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2013-02-26 09:52:22 AM  
Fought for freedom?
 
2013-02-26 09:52:41 AM  

gadian: The Boston Tea Party WAS terrorism vandalism.


Fixed that for you.
 
2013-02-26 09:52:42 AM  

Silverstaff: Private Public ownership of resources is communism, and violent anti-communism is part of the whole point of Fascism.


Fixed that for me.  Little typo, didn't want to get called out on it and have it distract from the point of my post.
 
2013-02-26 09:52:49 AM  
When I was in 3rd grade the teacher split the class into west and east Germany.  The west got real snacks while the east got the literal crumbs out of empty bags and cupcake wrappers to eat.  The west got to go outside to play and the east had to build block walls that the teacher would knock over once they were completed.  As far as I remember she did this of he own volition.
 
2013-02-26 09:52:52 AM  

Joelogon: WND via Daliy Caller via Yahoo News. It's like news laundering.


most people who believe this stuff never read past the headline anyway
 
2013-02-26 09:52:58 AM  
Next they'll be teaching students that Washington didn't skip a cherry tree across the Delaware River.
 
2013-02-26 09:53:38 AM  
Aren't teachers supposed to be busy teaching No-Child-Left-Behind test-taking techniques?
 
2013-02-26 09:54:42 AM  

lewismarktwo: When I was in 3rd grade the teacher split the class into west and east Germany.  The west got real snacks while the east got the literal crumbs out of empty bags and cupcake wrappers to eat.  The west got to go outside to play and the east had to build block walls that the teacher would knock over once they were completed.  As far as I remember she did this of he own volition.


Now that's some fine indoctrination!  No basis in fact, and the only lesson is to hate the East.

Nice to see a teacher bring her A game.
 
2013-02-26 09:56:20 AM  

I alone am best: gadian: The Boston Tea Party WAS terrorism.  Freedom Fighters = The guys that win.  Terrorists = The guys the freedom fighters don't want to win.

Boston tea party: Throwing tea into a harbor.
Your "Freedom fighters": Killing innocent woman and children by indiscriminately detonating explosives in high populated areas.

Yes, they are exactly the same.


Of course they're different, but I also wouldn't pretend that the Boston Tea Party consisted of nothing more than a bunch of guys sauntering onto a boat in costume, dumping the cargo and walking home.  It was an angry mob and they did angry mob things.
 
2013-02-26 09:59:03 AM  

Super Chronic: It was an angry mob and they did angry mob things.


With hatchets and pistols and trying to be generally terrifying.
 
2013-02-26 10:00:29 AM  

Diogenes: Next they'll be teaching students that Washington didn't skip a cherry tree across the Delaware River.


Like Crispus Attucks, Big George could had been just an innocent by-stander in that caper.
 
2013-02-26 10:02:04 AM  

nubzers: Silverstaff: A story about an unnamed student that informed WND. . .

Trolling achieved.

One thing interesting FTA:

CSCOPE labels fascism and Nazism as "conservative," despite the fact that both ideologies prescribe that the state should control everything and own all resources.

Uh, fascism/Nazism is conservative, extremely so, that's the whole point.  Nowhere in Fascism is the idea that the state should own all resources.  Last I checked, Nazi Germany had LOTS of private companies getting very rich off of the 3rd Reich.  Private ownership of resources is communism, and violent anti-communism is part of the whole point of Fascism.

Volkswagen started there, the VW Beetle was created originally to be sold there.  Bayer?  The Asprin people?  Yeah, they used concentration camp slave labor. . .and produced the Zyklon B poison gas for the gas chambers through subsidiaries.  Messerschmit?  Focke-Wulf?  Those names that got associated with the Luftwaffe?  Private for-profit companies (in both cases, these two lasted into the 1960's)  That was kind of the whole point of Schindler's List, wasn't it?  A Nazi war profiteer who owned and ran an ammo factory having a change of heart?

Total ignorance of history and political ideologies and creating strawmen versions of them to attack?

Just hammers in the political hit-piece nature of this right-wing anti-leftist "the liberals are trying to brainwash your kids" propaganda.

Shiat, I went through the public school system in Texas and they made it pretty clear the differences between Fascism and Communism. I think I had one American History Teacher who was a die-hard conservative that purposely fudged the line between the two to fit her world view (Along with many, many other things) but I called her out on it and she pretty much dropped it.

CSB: I would get into arguments with her daily, and she was always shocked that a student would even think to argue with her "truth". Constantly called her out on shiat about the reasons f ...


You and your teacher sound like 2 sides of the same coin.

You're both idiots who think too much of themselves
 
2013-02-26 10:02:17 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Civil_War2_Time: Texas sucks, and you should never come here it's so bad.

That's not really true.  It's only East Texas that sucks.  The source of the sucking is Beaumont.


I spent a day that felt like a year in Beaumont.
 
2013-02-26 10:07:40 AM  

Civil_War2_Time: Rapmaster2000: Civil_War2_Time: Texas sucks, and you should never come here it's so bad.

That's not really true.  It's only East Texas that sucks.  The source of the sucking is Beaumont.

I spent a day that felt like a year in Beaumont.


Ah, I kid about Texas.  But seriously, I only spent an hour in Beaumont and it seemed like a pretty depressing place to live.  On par with some other cities I've visited like Kokomo, IN, Macon, GA, and Dothan, AL.
 
2013-02-26 10:08:42 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Hmm- the Reagan Doctrine revolved around supporting the Mujuhideen freedom fighters in Afganistan.

 [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 403x403]

How dare they dispute the great Reagan!


Those men in that pic went on to fight the Taliban. At least you had the common sense to not call them Taliban like 4 out of 5 times that pic gets posted.

What's wrong with supporting moderate elements that want freedom? Would you rather we support extremist elements like we did in Egypt and Libya?
 
2013-02-26 10:10:24 AM  
The best part of the lesson was when they cut off the hand of a student convicted of stealing
 
2013-02-26 10:12:21 AM  

I alone am best: Your "Freedom fighters": Killing innocent woman and children by indiscriminately detonating explosives in high populated areas.


What's that you're saying about unmanned drone strikes now?
 
2013-02-26 10:18:38 AM  
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!!!@@@!!!@@@!!!

www.diabetesmine.com
 
2013-02-26 10:19:00 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Civil_War2_Time: Rapmaster2000: Civil_War2_Time: Texas sucks, and you should never come here it's so bad.

That's not really true.  It's only East Texas that sucks.  The source of the sucking is Beaumont.

I spent a day that felt like a year in Beaumont.

Ah, I kid about Texas.  But seriously, I only spent an hour in Beaumont and it seemed like a pretty depressing place to live.  On par with some other cities I've visited like Kokomo, IN, Macon, GA, and Dothan, AL.


I know...every state has its shiatholes. Some of my JoCo baseball teammates ended up playing for Lamar U. in Beaumont, and their favorite thing to do was sleep to make the days go by quicker.

I live in the hill country, which is the worst place on Earth.
 
2013-02-26 10:19:48 AM  

gadian: Super Chronic: It was an angry mob and they did angry mob things.

With hatchets and pistols and trying to be generally terrifying.


Yup.  This book is next on my reading list, and it seems like a neat effort to combat the tendency of historians to describe the American Revolution, and the events leading up to it, solely by connecting dots between John Locke and Thomas Paine and George Washington.  It was a violent movement, as revolutions tend to be.
 
2013-02-26 10:19:51 AM  

Silverstaff: A story about an unnamed student that informed WND. . .

Trolling achieved.

One thing interesting FTA:

CSCOPE labels fascism and Nazism as "conservative," despite the fact that both ideologies prescribe that the state should control everything and own all resources.

Uh, fascism/Nazism is conservative, extremely so, that's the whole point.  Nowhere in Fascism is the idea that the state should own all resources.  Last I checked, Nazi Germany had LOTS of private companies getting very rich off of the 3rd Reich.  Private ownership of resources is communism, and violent anti-communism is part of the whole point of Fascism.

Volkswagen started there, the VW Beetle was created originally to be sold there.  Bayer?  The Asprin people?  Yeah, they used concentration camp slave labor. . .and produced the Zyklon B poison gas for the gas chambers through subsidiaries.  Messerschmit?  Focke-Wulf?  Those names that got associated with the Luftwaffe?  Private for-profit companies (in both cases, these two lasted into the 1960's)  That was kind of the whole point of Schindler's List, wasn't it?  A Nazi war profiteer who owned and ran an ammo factory having a change of heart?

Total ignorance of history and political ideologies and creating strawmen versions of them to attack?

Just hammers in the political hit-piece nature of this right-wing anti-leftist "the liberals are trying to brainwash your kids" propaganda.


Yeah, there is not a single named source in the article. The whole article is BS. You would think that the Hardin County News, their local paper, would at least mention such a dastardly deed if it had happened, but there is not a word of it. It's a crock of shiat that Yahoo picked it up, and also a crock that Fark greenlit it. All WND knows is that it's getting a lot of hits on its BS, they don't care that most half-intelligent people don't believe it.
 
2013-02-26 10:20:00 AM  
gadian: The Boston Tea Party WAS terrorism.  Freedom Fighters = The guys that win.  Terrorists = The guys the freedom fighters don't want to win.

And usually both terrorists and freedom fighters want people to know they committed those actions, whereas the Boston Tea Partiers disguised themselves as Native Americans in the hopes that members of those groups would get blamed.
 
2013-02-26 10:24:24 AM  

Smokey the Bare: This has to be the greatest troll I've seen today. Unnamed student? Yeah, that sounds legit.

/Please let Fox News pick this up, please let Fox News pick this up, please let Fox News pick this up


http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/state-investigation -l aunched-after-students-dress-in-burqas.html

Not quite there yet...the other sites running with it are have some gold filled, rampaging, seething, xenophobic hate and ignorance blossoming like beautiful unicorn tears in the comments section.

I am gonna get no work done today...
 
2013-02-26 10:28:04 AM  
Civil_War2_Time:
I live in the hill country, which is the worst place on Earth.

Now I want brisket.
 
2013-02-26 10:31:39 AM  

Silverstaff: A story about an unnamed student that informed WND. . .

Trolling achieved.

One thing interesting FTA:

CSCOPE labels fascism and Nazism as "conservative," despite the fact that both ideologies prescribe that the state should control everything and own all resources.

Uh, fascism/Nazism is conservative, extremely so, that's the whole point.  Nowhere in Fascism is the idea that the state should own all resources.  Last I checked, Nazi Germany had LOTS of private companies getting very rich off of the 3rd Reich.  Private ownership of resources is communism, and violent anti-communism is part of the whole point of Fascism.

Volkswagen started there, the VW Beetle was created originally to be sold there.  Bayer?  The Asprin people?  Yeah, they used concentration camp slave labor. . .and produced the Zyklon B poison gas for the gas chambers through subsidiaries.  Messerschmit?  Focke-Wulf?  Those names that got associated with the Luftwaffe?  Private for-profit companies (in both cases, these two lasted into the 1960's)  That was kind of the whole point of Schindler's List, wasn't it?  A Nazi war profiteer who owned and ran an ammo factory having a change of heart?

Total ignorance of history and political ideologies and creating strawmen versions of them to attack?

Just hammers in the political hit-piece nature of this right-wing anti-leftist "the liberals are trying to brainwash your kids" propaganda.


There was a very strong socialist (and to these people socialism=communism) side of the Nazi Party, of course one night they met some long knives and that was that.
 
2013-02-26 10:32:58 AM  

I alone am best: gadian: 
Your "Freedom fighters": Killing innocent woman and children by indiscriminately detonating explosives in high populated areas.


But enough about US drone strikes...
 
2013-02-26 10:34:35 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: vpb: An unnamed student informed  WND

At first I thought this was a real story.

Ha, yeah.  I liked this:

A student in the class told WND that the burqa-related lesson focused mainly on the lives of women in Muslim countries. The enveloping outer face and body covering was treated more or less as a fashion accessory.
Apparently, no mention was made of the fact that women in Saudi Arabia and Iran must wear the garment under threat of arrest and criminal punishment.

Let's Google "Women In Iran"\

[www.irantravelingcenter.com image 311x346]
 Looks like a burqa to me.


/they have to wear the headscarf and loose fitting tops, yeah
//yes, *this* is what I'm gonna nitpick about the stupid link I actually clicked on


The average Iranian has a dog too, that's nice.  I'm moving there.
 
2013-02-26 10:34:39 AM  
"CSCOPE labels fascism and Nazism as 'conservative,' despite the fact that both ideologies prescribe that the state should control everything and own all resources."

Aside from the whole fact that I was tricked into reading a WND article, this part bothers me immensely.

I'm an amateur history buff, and one of my areas of interest is WWII in general and Nazi Germany in particular. I don't claim to be an expert -- nowhere close -- but I have a decent understanding of the basics. That statement is simply and factually wrong.

For those people who don't want to get into the complexities, look at one simple thing: the movie "Schindler's List." Who was Oskar Schindler, the protagonist? All else aside, he was a factory owner. He was not a bureaucrat who managed The People's Glorious Factory; he was a businessman who owned the factory.

You can argue whether Nazi Germany and the other fascist states at the time were conservative or liberal. You can argue whether public and state ownership of resources are the same thing, and whether either of them is necessarily communism. You can argue over a lot of things. But you can't argue (truthfully) that the fascist ideology prescribed that the state should own all resources, because there is documented fact and years of evidence showing that it did not.
 
2013-02-26 10:34:55 AM  

Digitalstrange: SomeoneDumb: You don't have to like or approve of it, but it never hurts to learn things.

Sure, but if the article is to be believed the lesson was rather slanted and agenda driven. The example given is that they were teaching that the burqa was a fashion choice and omitting that women in many of the countries they are discussing are required to wear them by law under threat of a stoning death.

Its the modern equivalent of when whitewashed history lessons used to teach that Chris Columbus landed on Plymouth Rock and offered turkey and all the fixings to make peace with the savages and called it Thanksgiving.


There is nowhere in the world women are legally required to wear a burqa or an equivalent item. In only one country was that the case (at least in modern times) and that was in Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Saudi Arabia and Iran require women to wear the headscarves only.
 
2013-02-26 10:35:15 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Civil_War2_Time:
I live in the hill country, which is the worst place on Earth.

Now I want brisket.


I live two miles from the original Rudy's BBQ, 30 miles from the 2012 national brisket champs, and 50 miles from Salt Lick.

Mmmmm...brisket.
 
2013-02-26 10:41:33 AM  
Big Man On Campus~

You're right, I should had added a "too soon" or at least an "obscure?". My bad.
 
2013-02-26 10:45:15 AM  

Happy Hours: nubzers: Silverstaff: A story about an unnamed student that informed WND. . .

Trolling achieved.

One thing interesting FTA:

CSCOPE labels fascism and Nazism as "conservative," despite the fact that both ideologies prescribe that the state should control everything and own all resources.

Uh, fascism/Nazism is conservative, extremely so, that's the whole point.  Nowhere in Fascism is the idea that the state should own all resources.  Last I checked, Nazi Germany had LOTS of private companies getting very rich off of the 3rd Reich.  Private ownership of resources is communism, and violent anti-communism is part of the whole point of Fascism.

Volkswagen started there, the VW Beetle was created originally to be sold there.  Bayer?  The Asprin people?  Yeah, they used concentration camp slave labor. . .and produced the Zyklon B poison gas for the gas chambers through subsidiaries.  Messerschmit?  Focke-Wulf?  Those names that got associated with the Luftwaffe?  Private for-profit companies (in both cases, these two lasted into the 1960's)  That was kind of the whole point of Schindler's List, wasn't it?  A Nazi war profiteer who owned and ran an ammo factory having a change of heart?

Total ignorance of history and political ideologies and creating strawmen versions of them to attack?

Just hammers in the political hit-piece nature of this right-wing anti-leftist "the liberals are trying to brainwash your kids" propaganda.

Shiat, I went through the public school system in Texas and they made it pretty clear the differences between Fascism and Communism. I think I had one American History Teacher who was a die-hard conservative that purposely fudged the line between the two to fit her world view (Along with many, many other things) but I called her out on it and she pretty much dropped it.

CSB: I would get into arguments with her daily, and she was always shocked that a student would even think to argue with her "truth". Constantly called her out on shiat about the ...


I was fed up with her using her position as a teacher to push her personal politics in a history class. My apologies for thinking that education should be unbiased.
 
2013-02-26 10:49:09 AM  

Civil_War2_Time: Texas sucks, and you should never come here it's so bad.


Bad thing is that Texas is trying to get Californians to move there because of taxes. Taxes imposed by people THEY VOTED FOR.

Way to ruin a perfectly good place.
 
2013-02-26 10:54:15 AM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

"These people are Freedom Fighters! They'll peel your eyelids back and leave you to fry in the desert!"
 
2013-02-26 10:55:58 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: nubzers: One day she called me un-American. So I brought a copy of my enlistment papers to her class. Not a peep out of her after that.

Not saying enlisting makes you more American than anyone else, however, in this particular case toward that particular type of person...

[www.muzakblog.com image 345x411]


I agree it doesn't make me more of an American then anyone else (There are many reasons I enlisted, none of them being "Well I'm more of a patriot then you!"). But for that certain group of people who want to fellate service members and are vehemently opposed to any kind of progressive policy, well I can't resist pulling that card. "You are an un-American commie fascist for thinking woman should do whatever they want with their bodies/the rich should pay more in taxes/we shouldn't just bomb everyone we disagree with!" "Well here's my military ID, where's yours?"

/I probably shouldn't enjoy doing that so much, but seriously, how demented are you that you think that only right-wing nut jobs are the only ones who think freedom is a good thing and that serving one's country is usually a positive thing to do?
 
2013-02-26 10:56:00 AM  

nubzers: I was fed up with her using her position as a teacher to push her personal politics in a history class. My apologies for thinking that education should be unbiased.


replying to me without quoting anything I actually typed?

Amazing.

No, you have an axe to grind and maybe your teacher did too.

Open your mind. You might learn something.
 
MFK
2013-02-26 10:56:25 AM  

Joelogon: WND via Daliy Caller via Yahoo News. It's like news laundering.


^^ THIS.

What the fark?
 
2013-02-26 10:57:58 AM  

Diogenes: lewismarktwo: When I was in 3rd grade the teacher split the class into west and east Germany.  The west got real snacks while the east got the literal crumbs out of empty bags and cupcake wrappers to eat.  The west got to go outside to play and the east had to build block walls that the teacher would knock over once they were completed.  As far as I remember she did this of he own volition.

Now that's some fine indoctrination!  No basis in fact, and the only lesson is to hate the East.

Nice to see a teacher bring her A game.


You must hate 'Murika.
 
2013-02-26 11:00:16 AM  

Latinwolf: the Boston Tea Partiers disguised themselves as Native Americans in the hopes that members of those groups would get blamed.


Or, the colonists did it as a tribute, to symbolize their "America-ness" over their "European-ness", and simply to help disguise their identities. I doubt anybody actually believed that the people dumping the tea were Mohawks, who had no horse in that race, rather than colonial subjects who did.
 
2013-02-26 11:00:58 AM  
this story sounded like total b.s. glad to know i was right.
 
2013-02-26 11:01:41 AM  

vpb: An unnamed student informed  WND
At first I thought this was a real story.


Actually my first guess was that it was some wingnut teacher pretending that they had been told that, but when I saw WND I figured just plain made up.
 
2013-02-26 11:03:38 AM  

Happy Hours: nubzers: I was fed up with her using her position as a teacher to push her personal politics in a history class. My apologies for thinking that education should be unbiased.

replying to me without quoting anything I actually typed?

Amazing.

No, you have an axe to grind and maybe your teacher did too.

Open your mind. You might learn something.


Ok enlighten me then. I'm always open to new things. How did I come off as having an axe to grind when the teacher initiated political discussions during a class with a clear bias that had nothing to do with the subject matter at hand and I offered counters to her ridiculous claims that even as 17 yo I was able to call bullshiat on?

/Also, sorry about not having the direct quote, I hit the button, typed my rebuttal and hit add, didn't proofread
 
2013-02-26 11:04:50 AM  

SithLord: Diogenes: lewismarktwo: When I was in 3rd grade the teacher split the class into west and east Germany.  The west got real snacks while the east got the literal crumbs out of empty bags and cupcake wrappers to eat.  The west got to go outside to play and the east had to build block walls that the teacher would knock over once they were completed.  As far as I remember she did this of he own volition.

Now that's some fine indoctrination!  No basis in fact, and the only lesson is to hate the East.

Nice to see a teacher bring her A game.

You must hate 'Murika.


Just the Teabaggers and revisionists.
 
2013-02-26 11:06:13 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Civil_War2_Time: Texas sucks, and you should never come here it's so bad.

Bad thing is that Texas is trying to get Californians to move there because of taxes. Taxes imposed by people THEY VOTED FOR.

Way to ruin a perfectly good place.


I don't know a single Texan that wants any more Californians to move here, and I've been knee deep in the Austin IT (.com) world before. Most Texans blame Californians for ruining the "silicon hills" label we had back in the early 2000s, with their uppity attitudes and lackluster work ethic. Much of the .com bust we had in Austin during that time-frame was due to Californians. They fit as well here as a rich Texan does in Aspen. They also ruined Austin forever.

Californians are not welcome in Texas...unless it's for a visit. Don't move here, please.
 
2013-02-26 11:07:50 AM  
Silverstaff:
Nowhere in Fascism is the idea that the state should own all resources

clane:
You're not real bright are you... so Conservatives want the government to take over private industry? Did you get that from NPR or Jon Stewart?
 
2013-02-26 11:10:07 AM  

Civil_War2_Time: Most Texans blame Californians for ruining the "silicon hills" label we had back in the early 2000s, with their uppity attitudes and lackluster work ethic. Much of the .com bust we had in Austin during that time-frame was due to Californians.


That's some fine stereotypin' there, Lou.

/seriously, replace Californians with "blacks" or "indians" and then read that
 
2013-02-26 11:11:53 AM  
clane, I'm kind of unclear on what you're trying to say there.
 
2013-02-26 11:19:27 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Civil_War2_Time: Most Texans blame Californians for ruining the "silicon hills" label we had back in the early 2000s, with their uppity attitudes and lackluster work ethic. Much of the .com bust we had in Austin during that time-frame was due to Californians.

That's some fine stereotypin' there, Lou.

/seriously, replace Californians with "blacks" or "indians" and then read that


I lived in SoCal for two years right out of college, and hated every minute of it. The first question a Californian typically asks is "What do you do for a living?" Here, it's "Where are you from?"

Nice try, millennial.
 
2013-02-26 11:20:03 AM  
The comments below the story hurt my head.  I am glad we are more intelligent, rational and capable of reason on Fark...
 
2013-02-26 11:22:20 AM  
This thread is so farking stupid, it's actually sad.

Hey ya'll, remember reading about how the founding fathers and the American revolutionaries, our national "freedom fighters" that fought for our freedom from England and birthed our country, how would randomly execute 20+ people, regardless of affiliation, in various towns every day or two across the American northeast when they were trying to drum up support for their war, which in reality wasn't supported by more than perhaps 10% of the people? Remember how they intentionally used the tactic of spreading terror through multiple random kilings of innocent men, women and children to force their ideology on an unwilling populace?

No? Then stop comparing American revolutionaries to terrorists - they were/are not the same. You demean and delegitimize the use of both words with such stupid and specious comparisons. People who objectively, or even subjectively, compare a "freedom fighter" to a modern terrorist are disingenuous simpletons or trolls.

From a Western perspective, and I think backed up by basic moral reasoning in any well-developed and relatively-liberated country: while "freedom fighter" and "terrorist" categories do indeed overlap by individual definitions, practical application makes them mutually exclusive. The "freedom" that a modern terrorist is fighting for 99.9999% of the time is some ideology that would actually strip away freedoms that the targeted people already hold - that's why terrorists are comfortable with killing random people: those people are either already guilty of violating that ideology's particular morals and "deserve it," or the ideology considers their deaths valuable to the end state regardless of the people's feelings to the matter. It's an attempt to rationalize away the people as less important than "the cause," which automatically makes that cause an enemy of those people.

What freedoms are Islamic fascist "freedom fighters," or Maoist "freedom fighters," or fundamentalist-anything "freedom fighters" actually fighting for? Are they using terror campaigns against general members of the population? If so, they're crossed the line into "terrorist." Reference the PKK terrorists for an example - "freedom fighters" who crossed that line with their MO.

And for the record, if an organization targets only military and security forces of their supposed oppressors, and takes great pains to avoid casualties of innocent civilians, then they get to carry the banner of "freedom fighter" regardless of their merit of their declared "freedoms." Members of the miltary sign up to be put in harm's way for the benefit of their nation. That doesn't mena they'll get to live life in harmony with the rest of the world, if their own actions run contrary to peace with their neighbors. However, if the "freedom fighters" intentionally, and by standard MO, target civilians and non-combatants in order to use the terror of random death to achieve their means, then they are terrorists. It's a pretty simple and clear line. I look forward to comparisons to the US drone strikes, which are based on specific and actionable intel against a known enemy combatant or enemy leader, with a detailed "kill chain" of authorizations to proceed, and where there are far, far more shots not taken than ever even passed on for higher-level approval.

/rant
//that any of this even needs clarification speaks to the erosion of logical thought in modern discourse
///yeah, yeah, this is Fark, I know
 
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