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2013-02-26 09:50:53 AM
Sounds like a Twilight fan.
 
2013-02-26 10:01:00 AM
Just like anything else, the Razzies have to try to attract an audience.  Just ripping on movies nobody has seen (for good reason) doesn't get peoples interest.

Although, are the Razzies televised or anything?  I mean, are they actually trying to make money on it?
 
2013-02-26 10:17:48 AM
I'm sorry, have all shiatty movies ceased production? No?

Then shut up.
 
2013-02-26 10:49:43 AM
Armond White disagrees.  Just swap the movies nominated for the Oscars and the Razzies and you've set the universe in order.
 
2013-02-26 10:51:05 AM
To sum the article up:

"The Razzies should go away because I don't agree with them."
 
2013-02-26 10:55:42 AM

dletter: Just like anything else, the Razzies have to try to attract an audience.  Just ripping on movies nobody has too many people have seen (for good reason) doesn't get peoples interest.

Although, are the Razzies televised or anything?  I mean, are they actually trying to make money on it?


You must live in alternate universe where Twilight doesn't exist.
 
2013-02-26 11:02:21 AM
Get rid of the Razzies?
1.bp.blogspot.com

I'll torture you so slowly, you'll think it's a career.
 
2013-02-26 11:05:15 AM

LonMead: Get rid of the Razzies?
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x186]

I'll torture you so slowly, you'll think it's a career.


Hudson Hawk is a great movie and I'll flying jump kick anyone who says otherwise!
 
2013-02-26 11:08:58 AM
I'm happy to predict that the nominees will include Adam Sandler again, probably Sylvester Stallone, and no doubt a good number of the usual suspects that the Razzies like to pick on. I'm calling Grown Ups 2 for worst movie at the Razzies now

Nope. I guarantee that "Movie 43" will take Worst Picture next year, regardless of what else is released this year. You could release a "Grindhouse"-style double-feature of "Jack and Jill 2: The Jillening" and "Deuce Bigalow: Central African Giggolo," and "Movie 43" would still win Worst Picture in a cakewalk.
 
2013-02-26 11:13:59 AM
I might have clicked on the article had I not seen the Den of Geek tag next to it. No need to read guaranteed drivel.

DoG approaches FarkTV, SuperDeluxe and Scott Wampler articles in terms of being awful.
 
2013-02-26 11:15:07 AM
I don't buy the parallels between kicking a small child in the ribs, and picking on creatively bankrupt and bad movies-- even if they're not necessarily the 'one worst' (subjectively).

That said, the Razzies do seem to trend towards the big, popular failures rather than some of the more modest yet even worse movies.
 
2013-02-26 11:19:37 AM

Uzzah: I'm happy to predict that the nominees will include Adam Sandler again, probably Sylvester Stallone, and no doubt a good number of the usual suspects that the Razzies like to pick on. I'm calling Grown Ups 2 for worst movie at the Razzies now

Nope. I guarantee that "Movie 43" will take Worst Picture next year, regardless of what else is released this year. You could release a "Grindhouse"-style double-feature of "Jack and Jill 2: The Jillening" and "Deuce Bigalow: Central African Giggolo," and "Movie 43" would still win Worst Picture in a cakewalk.


It depends. Do the Razzies have the same short-term memory problem as the Oscars?
 
2013-02-26 11:30:02 AM
FTFA:
To get an idea of what's generally bad amongst 2012's releases, take a look at the Rotten Tomatoes scores. The reviews aggregation site reveals that amongst the worst films were: A Thousand Words, The Devil Inside, One For The Money, Alex Cross and The Apparition. And those are just some of the titles that found there way into cinemas, and before critics' eyes. Some of the straight to DVD stuff, that still secured some form of distribution, was even worse.

Author seems to have the mistaken impression that the Razzies have to be based on some mathematical formula, ie: just looking at Rotten Tomatoes and calling it a day. RT can be a gauge of some level of accuracy, but there are still some opinions, and the weight of how much money it made vs. how bad of a movie it is.  That last part is definitely a hidden sub-theme of the Razzies.  All of the above films did poorly or only had a meager following.

Also, in terms of the accuracy of the Razzies, you can compare the list to their nominations:

* A Thousand Words had 3 nominations
* The Devil Inside didn't make the list, but the term "good horror movie" is an oxymoron.
* One For The Money got a nomination
* Alex Cross got a nomination, though Tyler Perry received a whooping SIX nominations from his three movies he made this year.  (Seriously, he directed three crapfests in one year?)
* None for The Apparition, but again, horror movie = 99% chance it's crap
 
2013-02-26 11:31:09 AM
The Razzies are now just a bunch of bitter geeks whining about something popular.

Very internets.

I'm calling Grown Ups 2 for worst movie at the Razzies now

See?

Anyway, the Razzies were founded by a bunch of geeks with scripts on their desks they couldn't give away. They're not an antidote to anything. They're just like that old queen that used to release a worst dressed list every year.
 
2013-02-26 11:40:48 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Uzzah: I'm happy to predict that the nominees will include Adam Sandler again, probably Sylvester Stallone, and no doubt a good number of the usual suspects that the Razzies like to pick on. I'm calling Grown Ups 2 for worst movie at the Razzies now

Nope. I guarantee that "Movie 43" will take Worst Picture next year, regardless of what else is released this year. You could release a "Grindhouse"-style double-feature of "Jack and Jill 2: The Jillening" and "Deuce Bigalow: Central African Giggolo," and "Movie 43" would still win Worst Picture in a cakewalk.

It depends. Do the Razzies have the same short-term memory problem as the Oscars?


I don't think it's exactly a short-term memory problem as it is in terms of the hype vs. the actual product.  Here's the elements of that movie that really elevated it to new heights in terms of the Razzies:

* Lots of A-class actors/actresses
* High amounts of hype and marketing
* Horrible movie, which people could figure out even before it was released
* Totally bombed in theaters: only $5m on opening weekend, and only made $9m in the US.

Now, I know they tend to go after the high grossing hits, but it's a special kind of bomb when you have all of those hypish elements, and the public shouted "NO" when it was released.  (Even Catwoman got $40m, and it still bombed because of a high budget.)  It's certainly special enough to get Worst Picture, and I don't think there is going to be much anything to top this one.
 
2013-02-26 11:41:02 AM

coeyagi: dletter: Just like anything else, the Razzies have to try to attract an audience.  Just ripping on movies nobody has too many people have seen (for good reason) doesn't get peoples interest.

Although, are the Razzies televised or anything?  I mean, are they actually trying to make money on it?

You must live in alternate universe where Twilight doesn't exist.


No, you just were not getting my point... I was pointing out that it doesn't make sense for the Razzies to actually nominate REALLY BAD movies.... because nobody actually sees or hears about them.   It makes more sense to do what they do... rip on popular movies/stars who star in things that a large part of the population doesn't like, even if another sizable population does like it, because that gets attention.
 
2013-02-26 11:44:12 AM

Bloody William: LonMead: Get rid of the Razzies?
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x186]

I'll torture you so slowly, you'll think it's a career.

Hudson Hawk is a great movie and I'll flying jump kick anyone who says otherwise!



Hell yes. Saw it in the theater, and have watched it many tiems since. One of my favorites.
 
2013-02-26 11:44:54 AM

barneyfifesbullet: The Razzies are now just a bunch of bitter geeks whining about something popular.

Very internets.

I'm calling Grown Ups 2 for worst movie at the Razzies now

See?

Anyway, the Razzies were founded by a bunch of geeks with scripts on their desks they couldn't give away. They're not an antidote to anything. They're just like that old queen that used to release a worst dressed list every year.


It's good to see that textual diarrhea is not limited to the Politics Tab.

Actually, Barney, you are condemning them for basically doing the summary work of critics.  Which is what the Oscars do, but on the other end of the spectrum.  It's not like they are celebrating popular critically acclaimed movies.  They are celebrating dog crap that the critical community has deemed such,

You can argue all you like about the efficacy, humor, or relevancy of these awards all you want, but it's not like these "geeks" are doing this in a vacuum from the rest of the critical community.
 
2013-02-26 11:46:35 AM
The Saturn Awards are a better antidote to the Oscars.
 
2013-02-26 11:46:36 AM

dletter: coeyagi: dletter: Just like anything else, the Razzies have to try to attract an audience.  Just ripping on movies nobody has too many people have seen (for good reason) doesn't get peoples interest.

Although, are the Razzies televised or anything?  I mean, are they actually trying to make money on it?

You must live in alternate universe where Twilight doesn't exist.

No, you just were not getting my point... I was pointing out that it doesn't make sense for the Razzies to actually nominate REALLY BAD movies.... because nobody actually sees or hears about them.   It makes more sense to do what they do... rip on popular movies/stars who star in things that a large part of the population doesn't like, even if another sizable population does like it, because that gets attention.


OMG, and I am arguing that your point is WRONG.  Plenty of people have seen these movies.  What makes you think a bad movie is an unseen movie?  Have you been to a multiplex lately?  Mostly teens going to see crap.

Please, please, stop typing. You are contributing nothing if you can't even accept this as fact.
 
2013-02-26 11:48:15 AM
Oh and the razzies are exactly what they are: a razzie to crappy Hollywood movies. As in, sticking your tongue and going, "thhhhbbbbbbbt!" It's not Rifftrax or something like that.
 
2013-02-26 12:43:42 PM

blue_2501: the term "good horror movie" is an oxymoron


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-26 12:50:19 PM
Maybe I'm in the minority here (actually I probably am), but I actually liked That's My Boy.
 
2013-02-26 12:57:00 PM

GreenAdder: blue_2501: the term "good horror movie" is an oxymoron

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Well, there ARE good horror movies, they are just extremely rare these days and so his statement is generally correct.

/big horror movie fan
 
2013-02-26 01:11:43 PM

blue_2501: the term "good horror movie" is an oxymoron


I am by no means a horror movie fan, but to say that there are no good horror movies is idiotic. If I had to give one example it would be Pan's Labrynth. Nothing short of a masterpiece.
 
2013-02-26 01:25:58 PM

Bloody William: LonMead: Get rid of the Razzies?
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x186]

I'll torture you so slowly, you'll think it's a career.

Hudson Hawk is a great movie and I'll flying jump kick anyone who says otherwise!


Hey, it's better than Leonard Part 6.

/Bunny!  Ball-ball!
 
2013-02-26 01:31:00 PM

Bloody William: LonMead: Get rid of the Razzies?
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x186]

I'll torture you so slowly, you'll think it's a career.

Hudson Hawk is a great movie and I'll flying jump kick anyone who says otherwise!


I agree. I've never fully understood the hate for it. I guess it was too weird for a lot of people, but that was the precise charm of it.
 
2013-02-26 01:32:06 PM

Crewmannumber6: blue_2501: the term "good horror movie" is an oxymoron

I am by no means a horror movie fan, but to say that there are no good horror movies is idiotic. If I had to give one example it would be Pan's Labrynth. Nothing short of a masterpiece.



Pan's Labrynth was indeed masterful.... but that was 7 years ago.

Most horror movies released to theaters are just utter dreck. They CAN be good, and occasionally they are, but the good ones are quite few and far between. The dreck, on the other hand, is a constant fetid stream out of Hollywood every year.

So while Pan's Labrynth was fantastic cinema, it was the exception - not the rule.
 
2013-02-26 01:43:02 PM
Sadly, the Razzies has become exactly what it arguably set out to counter: another awards show in the mix, that fails to really point out the films that deserve the prizes it's giving out. To pick out, as it has this year, Twilight: Breaking Dawn Part 2 reduces the Razzies to just another bunch of anonymous haters, of which the Internet is not short. Bill Condon for worst director? Really?

Dear Mr. Simon Brew, author of TFA.  That cute chick taking phone calls on the second floor is not gonna fark you because you defended Twilight on the internet.
 
2013-02-26 01:44:30 PM

coeyagi: OMG, and I am arguing that your point is WRONG.  Plenty of people have seen these movies.  What makes you think a bad movie is an unseen movie?  Have you been to a multiplex lately?  Mostly teens going to see crap.

Please, please, stop typing. You are contributing nothing if you can't even accept this as fact.


I'm pretty sure the two of you are still agreeing; you're just misunderstanding his points.
 
2013-02-26 01:47:40 PM
the Razzies seemed to lose their sting when Sandra Bullock, after winning one, actually showed up to collect it.
 
2013-02-26 01:54:22 PM

Crewmannumber6: the Razzies seemed to lose their sting when Sandra Bullock, after winning one, actually showed up to collect it.


They mentioned that in the article. Also, Halle Berry had accepted hers five years earlier for "Catwoman."
 
2013-02-26 01:57:07 PM

Crewmannumber6: blue_2501: the term "good horror movie" is an oxymoron

I am by no means a horror movie fan, but to say that there are no good horror movies is idiotic. If I had to give one example it would be Pan's Labrynth. Nothing short of a masterpiece.


For every Pan's Labyrinth or Cabin in the Woods or Saw or even  Final Destination, there are a hundred movies like Piranha 3D or Freddy or Jason or I Know What You Did Two Decembers Ago.  If you can't write a good psychological story, and only make it for the fright factor, don't bother.

There are so many bad horror movies that come out each year that the GRA have probably just written off the entire category, with a few exceptions.  (Piranha 3D was on the nominations list, for example.)
 
2013-02-26 01:59:29 PM
Stop not liking what I like
 
2013-02-26 02:13:06 PM

thegod082: Crewmannumber6: the Razzies seemed to lose their sting when Sandra Bullock, after winning one, actually showed up to collect it.

They mentioned that in the article. Also, Halle Berry had accepted hers five years earlier for "Catwoman."


And I think Bill Cosby picked his up for Leonard Part VI.  That's another thing about the Razzies - I wonder if they'll start selecting films where they think the recipients would be game to participate.
 
2013-02-26 02:32:43 PM

dletter: Just like anything else, the Razzies have to try to attract an audience.  Just ripping on movies nobody has seen (for good reason) doesn't get peoples interest.


Done in 2.

Sometimes performance has to take a back seat to popularity.  In this case we're talking about performance and popularity in a negative sort of way, but it still stands.
 
2013-02-26 02:37:56 PM

gameshowhost: I'm sorry, have all shiatty movies ceased production? No?

Then shut up.


You didn't read the article, did you?
 
2013-02-26 02:39:11 PM

Mugato: Sounds like a Twilight fan.


I don't agree with him but I kind of see his point. Unfortunately I know a few Twilight fans (yes they are females) and they enjoy the films. I would never watch one(luckily my girlfriend isn't a fan so I get to say that), just as I will never read the books but clearly hating on the Twilight films isn't about them as pieces of cinema but as translations of crappy literature. Their badness is therefore very subjective. If you like the source the films are just fine.

The Razzies targeted Twilight to get attention, not because it is objectively bad.
 
2013-02-26 02:50:39 PM

Digitalstrange: The Razzies targeted Twilight to get attention, not because it is objectively bad.


This, ie, my point.  But, coeyagi will be here to tell us we are all wrong.
 
2013-02-26 02:58:33 PM

dletter: Just like anything else, the Razzies have to try to attract an audience.  Just ripping on movies nobody has seen (for good reason) doesn't get peoples interest.


Pretty much this. There's no point in picking a movie nobody has seen or one with actors no one has heard of.  They're going to pick the most popular movie they can get away with calling a bad movie and Twilight pretty much fits that bill.
 
2013-02-26 03:09:07 PM

ReapTheChaos: dletter: Just like anything else, the Razzies have to try to attract an audience.  Just ripping on movies nobody has seen (for good reason) doesn't get peoples interest.

Pretty much this. There's no point in picking a movie nobody has seen or one with actors no one has heard of.  They're going to pick the most popular movie they can get away with calling a bad movie and Twilight pretty much fits that bill.


And that was kinda the authors point. The Razzies are now about the big name marquee films just like the Oscars rather than being the anti-Oscars as they were originally supposed to be. I think the author has a good bit of sand in his vagina on the subject but his basic point is sound.
 
2013-02-26 03:24:38 PM

Digitalstrange: The Razzies are now about the big name marquee films just like the Oscars rather than being the anti-Oscars as they were originally supposed to be.


1980 Winners....
CAN'T STOP THE MUSIC (AFD) Allan Carr, producer
Neil Diamond/THE JAZZ SINGER
Brooke Shields/THE BLUE LAGOON

John Adames/GLORIA(tie) Laurence Olivier/THE JAZZ SINGER Amy Irving/HONEYSUCKLE ROSE

I don't think they even started about as being about the truly "worst films"... I think they've been basically the "worst bombs" (ie, movies that did well but are polarizing, or were expected to do well but didn't) for awhile.
 
2013-02-26 03:27:23 PM

Bloody William: Hudson Hawk is a great movie and I'll flying jump kick anyone who says otherwise!


THIS. Hudson Hawk is like a live-action version of Lupin III
 
2013-02-26 03:58:08 PM
FTA: Adam Sandler I'll say from the off is pretty fair game. I've generally liked a lot of his films...

...aaaand that's where I stopped taking your seriously.
 
2013-02-26 04:30:20 PM
I was dragged to Twilight and that movie deserved its award. For a movie that's a sequel to a multi-billion dollar franchise it looks like a TV movie. And no one involves seems to give a shiat. So that's why a movie like this is worse than any Ed Wood or "Manos the Hands of Fate". Because they had the resources to make it not suck so much.

I assume there was a Hot Topic right next to the lake so that the evil vampires coming  from around the world could get their costumes.
 
2013-02-26 04:37:10 PM
Maybe they should just declare Adam Sandler movies ineligible and give him a Lifetime Achievement Award.
 
2013-02-26 04:39:10 PM

Dinobot: Bloody William: Hudson Hawk is a great movie and I'll flying jump kick anyone who says otherwise!

THIS. Hudson Hawk is like a live-action version of Lupin III


"Hey, sir. Are you going to die?"

/gets me every single time
//yes, I would like to swing on a star
 
2013-02-26 06:26:06 PM

coeyagi: It's good to see that textual diarrhea is not limited to the Politics Tab.


The Razzies tagged Atlas Shrugged II: Shrug Harder for worst director and worst screenplay. Things that make you go hmmmm.
 
2013-02-26 06:59:12 PM

gunga galunga: Dinobot: Bloody William: Hudson Hawk is a great movie and I'll flying jump kick anyone who says otherwise!

THIS. Hudson Hawk is like a live-action version of Lupin III

"Hey, sir. Are you going to die?"

/gets me every single time
//yes, I would like to swing on a star


*fist bumps all around*
 
2013-02-26 07:01:02 PM
In todays culture where everyone gets a trophy even if they suck, they want to get rid of a trophy actually celebrates your suckiness. I guess it's still all about preserving the fragile self esteem
 
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