No Time To Explain: Expecting horse heads to be left in the beds of hippies now/waits patiently
AverageAmericanGuy: Seeing as how many in the Mafia really had no choice but to join up at a young age, much as how young Latinos are forced into gangs in America, this may be a legitimate means of these victims of background and circumstance to set themselves on a right footing with the law. The more opportunity they have to make large amounts of money within the confines of the law, the better it will be for everyone.
skinink: Now go home and get your farking wind farm!
Primitive Screwhead: skinink: Now go home and get your farking wind farm!As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to own a wind farm.
mrswood: I'm pretty sure I read this exact same article like a month ago, but not from the mother nature network.
Farce-Side: So Obama wants us to invest in and explore the possibilities of organized crime? Typical Chicago lawmaker...
MonoChango: Tons of politically controlled money flowing into an industry that has almost no viable product and no expectation of producing a profit. Sounds like the perfect fit for the mob.
johnryan51: Thank god the oil industry is so ethical. What would happen if scumbags got involved there?
MonoChango: Hmmm, Lets do a thought experiment here. Tons of politically controlled money flowing into an industry that has almost no viable product and no expectation of producing a profit. Sounds like the perfect fit for the mob.
FLMountainMan: I'm all for mandating solar panels on rooftops, etc.... But widespread adoption of wind and solar is going to result in massive habitat loss with minimal reductions in climate change.
Acravius: Done with 1.5 MW towers it is inefficient (thanks GE), but there are 7.5 MW towers available. Total area affected for 66,500 of them would be 1.5 Square milesSolar panels at 44% efficiency would need 100 square miles total to power the US.If we followed the 15000 miles of major highways in the US with 10 ft wide solar "fences" we could get around 16 hours of solar production, add 10,000 square feet of roof top solar panels to each of the flat topped industrial buildings in the top 100 population cities and you could double the energy production neccesary to power the US.The point is if we were to get creative there would be almost no impact environmentally. It's just we don't seem to get that the new energy production concepts don't rely on big centralized construction/grouping situations like the old infrastrucuture.Finally if we built a 15000 mile superconductive loop along the same highway routes (15 Billion total cost) we could reduce the transmission amount lost to heat by 30%-40% depending on conditions, so it would be even easier and less costly (~400 Billion for Full Power by wind, instead of 768 Billion dollars).
Acravius: Even if the mafia got 10% of the total investment architechture cost of 768 billion it would take to build the 66,500 windmills to power the USA every hour on the hour, it would still be cheaper than than the 144 billion dollars Per Year that we currently pay the oil, coal and natural gas industries for the raw materials for our electrical power as it stands now.In fact if you take the amount that the oil/gas/coal companies brag about contributing to the economy just in 2011 (545 billion dollars) and then add the cost of the raw materials (144 billion) and in a single years transference, we could free our electrical grid of coal, gas and oil dependency for ever.Just some information that is rather interesting./(We could still keep the 20% generated by Nuclear, as backup power, and still save that exact 144 Billion dollars a year, as that isn't even in the calculation).
MrSteve007: Fun fact, China now generates more MWh from wind power than they do from nuclear power.
Tom_Slick: I'm not saying it isn't possible, but if that information has come from the Chinese Gov't I don't believe it. I took a river cruise in China 2 years ago and barge after barge of coal past us on the river, the whole time the tour guide was telling us that China did not burn coal.
MrSteve007: Considering that nuclear output in China is growing at an annual average of 10% and wind is growing by 80% annually, this is a trend that isn't going anywhere soon.
Tom_Slick: 3rd party source, I'm good with that, but I guess the real question is what is the percentage compared to fossil fuels./The air quality in China is the worst I have ever seen.
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