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(Mother Nature Network)   That's a real nice wind farm you've got for yourself here. It would be a real shame if somebody came along and messed it all up   (mnn.com) divider line 53
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2013-02-26 08:10:00 AM
Expecting horse heads to be left in the beds of hippies now

/waits patiently
 
2013-02-26 08:11:42 AM
What, are you a creeper?


/HissssssSSSSSSSSSS-BOOM!!
 
2013-02-26 08:13:58 AM
Hmmm, Lets do a thought experiment here.  Tons of politically controlled money flowing into an industry that has almost no viable product and no expectation of producing a profit.  Sounds like the perfect fit for the mob.
 
2013-02-26 08:17:15 AM
People are fascinated by organized crime. If that weren't true, there wouldn't be so many movies, TV shows and books about it.

Those who organize organized crime have thoroughly deflected any suspicion that the organized crime is controlled from outside of the groups like "Cosa Nostra", "yakuza", and other groups.
 
2013-02-26 08:21:42 AM
Now go home and get your farking wind farm!

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-26 08:22:24 AM

No Time To Explain: Expecting horse heads to be left in the beds of hippies now

/waits patiently

dl.dropbox.com

The hoses took Joe Biden's advise. 
Now they put hippy heads in each others beds.

/Buy a shotgun.
/Buy a shotgun...
/Buy a shotgun.......
 
2013-02-26 08:22:44 AM
So the government has competition. Who's taxes (protection money) are/is worth more?
 
2013-02-26 08:23:14 AM
I'm pretty sure I read this exact same article like a month ago, but not from the mother nature network.
 
2013-02-26 08:24:03 AM
Anyone even pretending to be mafia needs to be treated just like anyone pretending to be Al Qaeda.
 
2013-02-26 08:26:39 AM
Guido should also look into selling carbon credits too.
 
2013-02-26 08:26:59 AM

No Time To Explain: Expecting horse heads to be left in the beds of hippies now

/waits patiently


Woo, read that as "hippeis" and it struck me as especially cruel.  Time to go to work, I think.
 
2013-02-26 08:27:46 AM
Seeing as how many in the Mafia really had no choice but to join up at a young age, much as how young Latinos are forced into gangs in America, this may be a legitimate means of these victims of background and circumstance to set themselves on a right footing with the law. The more opportunity they have to make large amounts of money within the confines of the law, the better it will be for everyone.
 
2013-02-26 08:35:04 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Seeing as how many in the Mafia really had no choice but to join up at a young age, much as how young Latinos are forced into gangs in America, this may be a legitimate means of these victims of background and circumstance to set themselves on a right footing with the law. The more opportunity they have to make large amounts of money within the confines of the law, the better it will be for everyone.


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2013-02-26 08:37:53 AM
The Mob has always been involved, every alternative energy source requires concrete, I don't know if you're familiar with who runs that business but I assure you it's not the boyscouts.
 
2013-02-26 08:38:53 AM

skinink: Now go home and get your farking wind farm!


As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to own a wind farm.
 
2013-02-26 08:41:44 AM
I am also known as "Lord of the Wind" but for very different reasons
 
2013-02-26 08:43:16 AM
Thanks to MPFC, I can only read that line in Micheal Palin's voice.
 
2013-02-26 08:43:57 AM

Primitive Screwhead: skinink: Now go home and get your farking wind farm!

As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to own a wind farm.


Whenever we needed money, we'd build a wind farm. To us, it was better than Citibank.
 
2013-02-26 08:44:45 AM
TIWWCHNT
 
2013-02-26 08:52:59 AM
Oldnewsissoexciting.jpg

/wasn't this on Fark a few months back?
//keep the Goodfellas references coming in, regardless
 
2013-02-26 08:56:04 AM
Windmills are large piles containing copper windings and rare earth metals.

No surprise that would attract the mafia.
 
2013-02-26 08:56:08 AM
A racket is a racket is a racket.

Now about those carbon credits you owe us.....
 
2013-02-26 08:58:08 AM

mrswood: I'm pretty sure I read this exact same article like a month ago, but not from the mother nature network.


It's blowing in the wind.
 
2013-02-26 08:59:15 AM
So Obama wants us to invest in and explore the possibilities of organized crime?  Typical Chicago lawmaker...
 
2013-02-26 09:04:03 AM

Farce-Side: So Obama wants us to invest in and explore the possibilities of organized crime?  Typical Chicago lawmaker...


.... wind farms favored by windy city
 
2013-02-26 09:08:52 AM
Thank god the oil industry is so ethical. What would happen if scumbags got involved there?
 
2013-02-26 09:09:38 AM
In other news, the mob has cash and accidentally makes real investments.

Unlike the United States Congress
 
2013-02-26 09:14:05 AM
Going green for the money??? I can't believe something like this can be true.
 
2013-02-26 09:16:29 AM

MonoChango: Tons of politically controlled money flowing into an industry that has almost no viable product and no expectation of producing a profit.  Sounds like the perfect fit for the mob.


ding ding ding
 
2013-02-26 09:20:34 AM
Ponzi schemes, protection rackets, extortion, gang warfare, insider trading... Are there any "crimes" the government busts people for that it doesn't commit itself?
 
2013-02-26 09:32:48 AM
"Tons of politically controlled money flowing into an industry that has almost no viable product "

That "unviable" product already produces all the power Spain needs on some nights.
 
2013-02-26 09:38:06 AM
Renewable energy industry = organized crime.

Questions?
 
2013-02-26 09:38:14 AM

johnryan51: Thank god the oil industry is so ethical. What would happen if scumbags got involved there?


Never happen. The Mafia tried once and got their hands bloodied.
 
2013-02-26 09:41:43 AM
Well Tony, you gotta know which way the wind is blowing...
 
2013-02-26 09:48:16 AM
The wind industry is the most corrupt business going.    It was those false halos that everyone gave them, thinking they were all benevolent environmentalists.  No scrutiny, no accountablity, tons of free govt money.

Here in Ontario, Nextera, part of FLP just chopped down a long established bald eagles nest to make way for a turbine.  Of course all the false "greenies" thought that was just hunky dory.
 
2013-02-26 09:52:24 AM

MonoChango: Hmmm, Lets do a thought experiment here.  Tons of politically controlled money flowing into an industry that has almost no viable product and no expectation of producing a profit.  Sounds like the perfect fit for the mob.


Hit the nail right on the head.
 
2013-02-26 09:57:30 AM
Even if the mafia got 10% of the total investment architechture cost of 768 billion it would take to build the 66,500 windmills to power the USA every hour on the hour, it would still be cheaper than than the 144 billion dollars Per Year that we currently pay the oil, coal and natural gas industries for the raw materials for our electrical power as it stands now.
In fact if you take the amount that the oil/gas/coal companies brag about contributing to the economy just in 2011 (545 billion dollars) and then add the cost of the raw materials (144 billion) and in a single years transference, we could free our electrical grid of coal, gas and oil dependency for ever.
Just some information that is rather interesting.
/(We could still keep the 20% generated by Nuclear, as backup power, and still save that exact 144 Billion dollars a year, as that isn't even in the calculation).
 
2013-02-26 10:05:33 AM
Largest wind farm in the world - completed sections, at peak capacity, provide 800 MW (about 400,000 homes)  from 9,000 acres.

Largest solar farm in the world - 354 MW, at peak capacity, on 1,600 acres.

Largest nuke plant in the world - 6,810 MW of constant power on 2,300 acres.

I'm all for mandating solar panels on rooftops, etc....  But widespread adoption of wind and solar is going to result in massive habitat loss with minimal reductions in climate change.
 
2013-02-26 10:15:07 AM
Done with 1.5 MW towers it is inefficient (thanks GE), but there are 7.5 MW towers available. Total area affected for 66,500 of them would be 1.5 Square miles
Solar panels at 44% efficiency would need 100 square miles total to power the US.
If we followed the 15000 miles of major highways in the US with 10 ft wide solar "fences" we could get around 16 hours of solar production, add 10,000 square feet of roof top solar panels to each of the flat topped industrial buildings in the top 100 population cities and you could double the energy production neccesary to power the US.
The point is if we were to get creative there would be almost no impact environmentally. It's just we don't seem to get that the new energy production concepts don't rely on big centralized construction/grouping situations like the old infrastrucuture.
Finally if we built a 15000 mile superconductive loop along the same highway routes (15 Billion total cost) we could reduce the transmission amount lost to heat by 30%-40% depending on conditions, so it would be even easier and less costly (~400 Billion for Full Power by wind, instead of 768 Billion dollars).
 
2013-02-26 10:25:17 AM
The real kicker is that we only need about 150,000 7.5 MW turbines to power the electrical grid of the world.
Unfortunately there are currently only about 150 7.5 MW turbines in the process of being built.
The other 40,000 wind turbines in the world are the 1.5 S from GE, that can't stand wind gust over 75 miles per hour and still have mechanical gearing and oil lubrication, so if they aren't feathered they burn out, or worse topple over.
The 7.5 MW towers are 2,200 tons of concrete and steel, with non-permanent magnets, simply generating electricity through inductive rotation, on liquid bearings. The operational range is up to straight line winds of up to 175 miles per hour (F3 enhanced fuchida scale force Tornado or category 4 hurricane force winds.)

It would be nice if people could think this through, instead of just say we need to put 17,000 of these things right here! There are 40,000 square miles of 25+ mile continuous wind sources at 100 M and the 7.5 MW towers are 120 Meters tall and 40 Meters of blade rotation, so they would be able to continuously produce all day, every day.
 
2013-02-26 10:39:26 AM
Fun fact, China now generates more MWh from wind power than they do from nuclear power.
 
2013-02-26 10:39:42 AM

FLMountainMan: I'm all for mandating solar panels on rooftops, etc.... But widespread adoption of wind and solar is going to result in massive habitat loss with minimal reductions in climate change.


I've been waiting for someone to build "Solar trees" that can be placed on the margins of deserts to fight encroachment. The design is the key, but something that is able to provide electricity, shade, and habitat could be a boon.

The area needed isn't exactly massive, even with current technology.
 
2013-02-26 10:49:05 AM

Acravius: Done with 1.5 MW towers it is inefficient (thanks GE), but there are 7.5 MW towers available. Total area affected for 66,500 of them would be 1.5 Square miles
Solar panels at 44% efficiency would need 100 square miles total to power the US.
If we followed the 15000 miles of major highways in the US with 10 ft wide solar "fences" we could get around 16 hours of solar production, add 10,000 square feet of roof top solar panels to each of the flat topped industrial buildings in the top 100 population cities and you could double the energy production neccesary to power the US.
The point is if we were to get creative there would be almost no impact environmentally. It's just we don't seem to get that the new energy production concepts don't rely on big centralized construction/grouping situations like the old infrastrucuture.
Finally if we built a 15000 mile superconductive loop along the same highway routes (15 Billion total cost) we could reduce the transmission amount lost to heat by 30%-40% depending on conditions, so it would be even easier and less costly (~400 Billion for Full Power by wind, instead of 768 Billion dollars).


The Irresponsible Captain:
I've been waiting for someone to build "Solar trees" that can be placed on the margins of deserts to fight encroachment. The design is the key, but something that is able to provide electricity, shade, and habitat could be a boon.

The area needed isn't exactly massive, even with current technology.


Stuff like this is awesome to think about.
 
2013-02-26 12:07:04 PM
Another curious wind fact. For the first time I've ever seen, wind power became the largest single producer of energy in the Pacific Northwest's grid last Saturday. It was only for about an hour or so on Saturday morning, but for that period of time it did provide the largest amount of electricity for the region @ some 4.5 GW worth of juice.

transmission.bpa.gov

But as you can see, by Sunday evening, the wind died down to almost nothing, before going back up again to peak. Since we have more than enough hydro capacity though, it just becomes a dance of output between the two sources. All we need to do now is finish shutting down our last two coal plants and one nuclear plant, and we'll be living the dream.
 
2013-02-26 01:39:45 PM
came for Monty Python reference, leaving disappointed
 
2013-02-26 03:09:23 PM

Acravius: Even if the mafia got 10% of the total investment architechture cost of 768 billion it would take to build the 66,500 windmills to power the USA every hour on the hour, it would still be cheaper than than the 144 billion dollars Per Year that we currently pay the oil, coal and natural gas industries for the raw materials for our electrical power as it stands now.
In fact if you take the amount that the oil/gas/coal companies brag about contributing to the economy just in 2011 (545 billion dollars) and then add the cost of the raw materials (144 billion) and in a single years transference, we could free our electrical grid of coal, gas and oil dependency for ever.
Just some information that is rather interesting.
/(We could still keep the 20% generated by Nuclear, as backup power, and still save that exact 144 Billion dollars a year, as that isn't even in the calculation).


Wow, that's a lot of shiat you're shovelling.

/Where will you build all those windmills?
//How about the new distribution grid?
 
2013-02-26 03:12:27 PM

MrSteve007: Fun fact, China now generates more MWh from wind power than they do from nuclear power.


I'm not saying it isn't possible, but if that information has come from the Chinese Gov't I don't believe it.  I took a river cruise in China 2 years ago and barge after barge of coal past us on the river, the whole time the tour guide was telling us that China did not burn coal.
 
2013-02-26 03:22:43 PM

Tom_Slick: I'm not saying it isn't possible, but if that information has come from the Chinese Gov't I don't believe it. I took a river cruise in China 2 years ago and barge after barge of coal past us on the river, the whole time the tour guide was telling us that China did not burn coal.


Here's the source.

Looks like the data is backed by numbers from the IAEA and BP

media.treehugger.com

Considering that nuclear output in China is growing at an annual average of 10% and wind is growing by 80% annually, this is a trend that isn't going anywhere soon.
 
2013-02-26 03:33:51 PM

MrSteve007: Considering that nuclear output in China is growing at an annual average of 10% and wind is growing by 80% annually, this is a trend that isn't going anywhere soon.


3rd party source, I'm good with that, but I guess the real question is what is the percentage compared to fossil fuels.

/The air quality in China is the worst I have ever seen.
 
2013-02-26 03:40:52 PM

Tom_Slick: 3rd party source, I'm good with that, but I guess the real question is what is the percentage compared to fossil fuels.

/The air quality in China is the worst I have ever seen.


If you want to dig in deep into China's power output the US EIA has more data than you can shake a stick at:

Taking a simple look at installed electrical generation capacity (which doesn't take into account capacity factor):
www.eia.gov
 
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