mrlewish: Working from home means they will eventually realize that someone else can do it cheaper overseas.
Prank Call of Cthulhu: [media.npr.org image 462x346]Marissa Mayer is kinda hot. Obviously a shiatty CEO, though.
rev. dave: There are personality types who can get more done when they are not being interrupted constantly. I am one of those people. Just 2 days a week where I do not have people constantly dropping by my desk, interns and new employees asking questions etc... I save the tedious work for WFH days. Since I am in the Atlanta area, driving to work and back can take 3-4 hours out of each day and I see it as a waste of gas and energy. To go through all that trouble so a manager can walk by once or 2x a week is foolish and stupid. We save team meetings for a day once a week when everyone is in the office rather than have them every day.Letting me work from home is like giving me money without a raise and making me work in the office costs me extra money and makes me want to leave the company to go work for someone who will treat me better. You can only treat mature adults like children if they are stuck and cannot leave their jobs, but beware that the resentment you cause will reflect on the company.
Magnanimous_J: mrlewish: Working from home means they will eventually realize that someone else can do it cheaper overseas.You realize that you are basically admitting that you have nothing to offer for sale except your misery? If you are doing a job so menial that it can be replaced by a foreign worker, you have not positioned yourself well for the realities of the 21st century workplace.You should see to that before it's too late.
MacEnvy: I'm WAY more productive at home because people aren't stopping by to bother me all day. I save up my drudge work for my telework day each week because I know I can really get some shiat done.If people are obviously abusing the privilege, you have 3 options: warn them, rescind telework for them, or fire them. The same as if they were unproductive while in the office. This is not a difficult proposition.
robohobo: Jon iz teh kewl: robohobo: sendtodave: Productivity: Is it the end-all measurement of worth, or will future companies value more important things? Depends on who you work for, I guess.Lots of companies value bs facetime/asskissing more than being productive. Those companies are bad.why do you say that?It's bad if the facetime and asskissing come at the expense of productivity and money making. Money making being the only reason to be a business. Now if the asskissing and facetime somehow turn into moneymaking, good for them, but I personally want no part of it, because fark asskissing and feelings in business.TwistedFark: s.Maybe the rest of you are farking angels, but it if was me I would be collecting the sweet Yahoo! paycheck and then either playing FTL all day or working on my web strip poker start up. I'm pretty certain that I'm in the majority with this self assessment.In my experience, it's 50/50. I put in a lot of hours at home, explicitly because I loathe a standard job where I have to deal with people face to face and deal with office politics. I work harder at home so I'm WAY covered in people knowing I'm more productive than if I were on-site. That said, I know guys who do shiat-all working from home but still collect the paycheck.
robohobo: sendtodave: robohobo: sendtodave: Productivity: Is it the end-all measurement of worth, or will future companies value more important things? Depends on who you work for, I guess.Lots of companies value bs facetime/asskissing more than being productive. Those companies are bad.http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/An average worker needs to work a mere 11 hours per week to produce as much as one working 40 hours per week in 1950Even since 1975, supposedly an era of low productivity growth and stagnation in living standards, officially measured productivity has increased almost 70%. The average worker would therefore need to work only 23 hours per week to produce as much as one working as recently as 1975And, if the productivity measures have any meaning, the average worker could have a 29-hour workweek if he were satisfied with producing as much as a 40-hour worker as recently as 1990.I'm not sure, I don't think that's even counting automation.We've productively eliminated much of our workforce. Outsourced the rest. And then we complain that they are leeches on society.Anyway, we're productive enough. We need to focus less on productivity, and more on expanding the workforce, and worker well being.Oh, wait, I almost forgot, quarterly profits are all that matter.Why be in business if not to do nothing else but make money? It's not the business of making life nice or making better things.
Magnanimous_J: mrlewish: Working from home means they will eventually realize that someone else can do it cheaper overseas.You realize that you are basically admitting that you have nothing to offer for sale except your misery? If you are doing a job so menial that it can be replaced by a foreign worker, you have not positioned yourself well for the realities of the 21st century workplace.
davidphogan: Having worked from home, it was one of the greatest perks ever.
Twilight Farkle: Dear Princess Marissa,I'd be the first to say that Yahoo! needs to be refactored from the ground up, and I'd be the first to acknowledge that physical presence helps when it comes to cross-fertilization of ideas, but are you really that interested in facetime, or are you interested in cutting headcount without having to actually use the word "layoff"?By the way, princess, your predecessors should have sold to MSFT years ago when he had the chance. Seriously, YHOO. MSFT bid $31/share for you dumb farks in 2008, except that your board had its head up its ass like a multibillion-dollar Ouroborous and let it fall through.Whatever the fark was wrong with you then is what the fark is still wrong with you now. You're not in business for the sake of remaining independent, you're in business to make money for the shareholders. The employees got farked either way, the least you could have done is admitted defeat and become one with the borg when you had the chance. At least someone would have made money over the past five years.Wow. That escalated quickly. I'm just glad that I neither work for now own shares in YHOO, or it probably would have been worse. I'm OK with a little bit of facetime every now and then even in the context of a distributed team, but I don't know what's the more frightening implication: either Princess Marissa is trying to disguise layoffs/constructive dismissals as something other than what they are, or she drank a little too much of Google's cultural kool-aid and has gone full-retard against remote work.Your grateful bystander,Twilight Farkle.
ph0rk: shut_it_down: Twilight Farkle: or she drank a little too much of Google's cultural kool-aid and has gone full-retard against remote work.Yyyyyup. This is definitely a Google policy. Google discourages working from home because they believe that innovation comes when its employees are interacting and letting ideas bounce off of one another. So really, those annoying conversations and human interactions that the work-at-home set are avoiding are actually what Yahoo is trying to foster.No dog in this hunt, but if the office isn't chock full of dullards the conversations might not be so inane.
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