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2013-02-25 09:51:22 PM
Ok, that gave me a good chuckle. Which got bigger. and bigger.
 
2013-02-25 10:15:43 PM

MisterTweak: Ok, that gave me a good chuckle. Which got bigger. and bigger.


And bigger.
 
2013-02-25 10:17:56 PM
+1
 
2013-02-25 10:19:47 PM
+1
 
2013-02-25 10:21:01 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-25 10:35:57 PM
imageshack.us
 
2013-02-25 10:38:30 PM

Local Man: MisterTweak: Ok, that gave me a good chuckle. Which got bigger. and bigger.

And bigger.


It's like a reverse DMV eye test.
 
2013-02-25 10:39:19 PM
Works fine in Internet Explorer actually. FrontPage rules!
 
2013-02-25 10:46:31 PM
I'm looking at the page source, and I can't find it...what the devil is causing this?
 
2013-02-25 10:53:29 PM
I mean, I see a bunch of header and font tags that aren't closed (and width tags...wtf?), but as far as I knew, not closing an html tag was just bad form and mucked up parsing.  I didn't know...this...could happen
 
2013-02-25 10:55:57 PM

Lor M. Ipsum: I'm looking at the page source, and I can't find it...what the devil is causing this?


http://www.choosepp.net/embroid.html

Header tags weren't closed. And I'm not sure why there's a frickin' center tag around everything.
 
2013-02-25 10:56:58 PM
It's like the sewing instructor lives next to the railyard and she has to speak louder and louder and louder as a train rumbles by.
 
2013-02-26 12:19:18 AM
That was the text equivalent of In The Hall of the Mountain King.
 
2013-02-26 12:27:01 AM
True story, George Lucas's mom owns that store.

/not a true story
 
2013-02-26 12:40:06 AM
i778.photobucket.com

"What the hell is that?"
"Oh, I'm just reading an article on the Internet."

/Sorry
 
2013-02-26 12:50:04 AM
Still a better love story than Twilight.
 
2013-02-26 12:56:16 AM
This could be the red white and blue talking, but I have never LOVED MY COUNTRY MORE!!!
 
2013-02-26 01:03:21 AM
That is fantastic.
 
2013-02-26 01:06:17 AM
Just realized... Whoever runs that page is gonna wonder "What the HELL is with all the traffic?"

*assuming some fark friendly web designer is not on the phone with this place at 8AM offering to fix their crap site.. for a reasonable fee...
 
2013-02-26 01:22:56 AM
It would be how many pages printed out?

/I guess they sew sew sew so they don't know know know
 
2013-02-26 01:23:55 AM

Shadow Blasko: Just realized... Whoever runs that page is gonna wonder "What the HELL is with all the traffic?"

*assuming some fark friendly web designer is not on the phone with this place at 8AM offering to fix their crap site.. for a reasonable fee...


Hey! That's my idea.
 
2013-02-26 01:29:56 AM
I totally didn't already send that mail.

Damn you, Shadow Blasko!
 
2013-02-26 01:31:07 AM

Xcott: [i778.photobucket.com image 568x410]

"What the hell is that?"
"Oh, I'm just reading an article on the Internet."

/Sorry


Will you really get in trouble for looking at a piece of A on the internet?
 
2013-02-26 01:31:52 AM
You should hear them pledge allegiance to the flag.
 
2013-02-26 02:30:16 AM
It was like a backwards eye chart.
 
2013-02-26 02:31:12 AM

Xcott: "Oh, I'm just reading an article on the Internet."


cache.ohinternet.com
 
2013-02-26 02:33:34 AM
I'm literally crying laughing right now.
 
2013-02-26 02:34:22 AM
members.modernvespa.net
 
2013-02-26 02:38:21 AM
 
2013-02-26 02:38:35 AM
This is my favorite thing on the internet for this week.
 
2013-02-26 02:41:50 AM
I kept expecting to it turn into the star child at some point...
/not entirely sure it didn't.
 
2013-02-26 02:43:02 AM

Yuri Futanari: This is my favorite thing on the internet for this week.


this
this
this
 
2013-02-26 02:43:04 AM
I hereby dub this lunacy "Font Hulking."
 
2013-02-26 02:44:22 AM
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-02-26 02:46:29 AM
I do truly miss the days when pages were hand-coded, content was static, ads meant you had hit it big (or had lots of gullible investors) and browsers just browsed.  And geocities was fun (albeit broken as shiat).
I get sad that the internet of old is but a memory, and in thirty years, few people will remember it, and its already completely out of reach.
At least with an old car, you can get that nostalgic feeling if you have one.  That is gone forever with the web.
And then occasionally you come across one of these pages.
 
2013-02-26 02:47:18 AM
BILLY MAYS HERE!
 
Skr
2013-02-26 02:47:23 AM
Got a growing chuckle out of me. Hope no one tries to print out those instructions heh
 
2013-02-26 02:47:41 AM
fta If a problem persists, we recommend that you contact Sewing and Embroidery Warehouse

Ok. I'll check back later.
 
2013-02-26 02:48:42 AM

Raging Thespian: That was the text equivalent of In The Hall of the Mountain King.


Hell yes, it is.
 
2013-02-26 02:51:20 AM
W3C validator says: 424 errors, 1 warning.
 
2013-02-26 02:51:24 AM
The disclaimer at the end is just icing on the cake for me.
 
2013-02-26 02:51:55 AM
Some physicists claim that the Big Bang originated this way.
 
2013-02-26 02:55:45 AM
Oh, my.  That was fun.  Gotta make sure my girlfriend sees this.
 
2013-02-26 02:55:54 AM
not really, but then again- many times i just dont give a monkeys mister, subby. Yeah, i can be a lazy one. deal- I will be the go to girl in an emergency, and then Its on.
 
2013-02-26 02:58:06 AM

Lor M. Ipsum: I'm looking at the page source, and I can't find it...what the devil is causing this?


It's the unclosed H3 tag used throughout.  There is so much wrong with this page that I don't know where to begin, but here's a start.

Don't use tables for non-tabular data.
Don't use header tags (H#) for non headers.  Conversely, use the damn header tag when it is a header.
Don't individually set the font.
Don't individually set the alignment.
And most of all, NEVER USE FARKING FRONTPAGE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.
 
2013-02-26 02:58:18 AM

rolladuck: I do truly miss the days when pages were hand-coded, content was static, ads meant you had hit it big (or had lots of gullible investors) and browsers just browsed.  And geocities was fun (albeit broken as shiat).
I get sad that the internet of old is but a memory, and in thirty years, few people will remember it, and its already completely out of reach.
At least with an old car, you can get that nostalgic feeling if you have one.  That is gone forever with the web.
And then occasionally you come across one of these pages.


Here you go. :)
 
2013-02-26 02:58:28 AM

Notabunny: fta If a problem persists, we recommend that you contact Sewing and Embroidery Warehouse

Ok. I'll check back later.


Easily the best part of whole shebang.

/I miss these kind of sites now that Geocities is gone and Angelfire cleaned up their act!
 
2013-02-26 02:59:02 AM

Raging Thespian: That was the text equivalent of In The Hall of the Mountain King.


Or Ravel's Bolero.
 
2013-02-26 02:59:27 AM
the header tag isn't optional on closing, which was obviously left out here.
the font size uses em's, which are a relative sizing to the element's parent.
each time a new h3 was opened, the font is increased by 1.17x.
hard to imagine ms front page even allowed this to happen.

who still uses front page?
 
2013-02-26 03:00:50 AM

nilla: who still uses front page?


Morons.
 
2013-02-26 03:00:55 AM
Needs more blink tag
 
2013-02-26 03:00:58 AM

rolladuck: I do truly miss the days when pages were hand-coded, content was static, ads meant you had hit it big (or had lots of gullible investors) and browsers just browsed.  And geocities was fun (albeit broken as shiat).
I get sad that the internet of old is but a memory, and in thirty years, few people will remember it, and its already completely out of reach.
At least with an old car, you can get that nostalgic feeling if you have one.  That is gone forever with the web.
And then occasionally you come across one of these pages.


Angelfire is still around.  I just looked, and the stupid little Angelfire site I made for myself back in high school is still there.  My shame is very great.
 
2013-02-26 03:01:32 AM
Needs more         tag.
 
2013-02-26 03:02:07 AM
Needs more blink tag

/dammit, Lachwen
 
2013-02-26 03:02:47 AM
158 unclosed tags.
 
2013-02-26 03:05:02 AM
Why would you even leave that up? Why not take your site offline at that point and save yourself the embarrassment?
 
2013-02-26 03:05:30 AM
reminds me of the early days of eBay. font size run amuck. paragraphs devoted to personal opinions on politicians and whatever. the businessman that had a blast modeling/selling used ladies dresses with silly pics galore.
 
2013-02-26 03:07:07 AM
The W3C's markup validator (default settings) gives 424 errors and 1 warning.
 
2013-02-26 03:08:19 AM

rolladuck: At least with an old car, you can get that nostalgic feeling if you have one. That is gone forever with the web.


Gone but not forgotten.
 
2013-02-26 03:15:14 AM
stitches
stitches
STITCHES
STITCHES
STITCHES
STITCHES
STITCHES
BITITCHES


/doll wid it
//glasses
///yeeeeeaaahhhhhh
/one of those stitches up there for goddamned sure doesn't look right, I've said it too many times
//SHTICHES!
/totes sobes
 
2013-02-26 03:20:39 AM

rolladuck: I do truly miss the days when pages were hand-coded, content was static, ads meant you had hit it big (or had lots of gullible investors) and browsers just browsed.  And geocities was fun (albeit broken as shiat).
I get sad that the internet of old is but a memory, and in thirty years, few people will remember it, and its already completely out of reach.
At least with an old car, you can get that nostalgic feeling if you have one.  That is gone forever with the web.
And then occasionally you come across one of these pages.


happily, the waybackmachine includes this site (which appears to have not changes in 8 years) so no matter what they do to it in the future, you will always be able to come back, and re-live the good times!

http://web.archive.org/web/20050308074041/http://www.sewingandembroi de rywarehouse.com/embtrb.htm
 
2013-02-26 03:21:10 AM
I'm still mostly a n00b to html, but that was highly amusing. Source code is saved in case one of my profs needs an example :P
 
2013-02-26 03:24:45 AM

SpdrJay: Some physicists claim that the Big Bang originated this way.


The whole Internet was in a hot, dense state...
 
2013-02-26 03:28:05 AM

nilla: the header tag isn't optional on closing, which was obviously left out here.
the font size uses em's, which are a relative sizing to the element's parent.
each time a new h3 was opened, the font is increased by 1.17x.
hard to imagine ms front page even allowed this to happen.

who still uses front page?


Oddly enough, the site renders fine in Internet Explorer 9. I happened to be looking at fark on my sister's PC and had to go back to mine to see what it looked like on Firefox, since I didn't see anything weird.

I guess IE was designed with poor coding from FrontPage in mind, which would make sense.
 
2013-02-26 03:32:21 AM

rolladuck: I do truly miss the days when pages were hand-coded, content was static, ads meant you had hit it big (or had lots of gullible investors) and browsers just browsed.  And geocities was fun (albeit broken as shiat).
I get sad that the internet of old is but a memory, and in thirty years, few people will remember it, and its already completely out of reach.
At least with an old car, you can get that nostalgic feeling if you have one.  That is gone forever with the web.
And then occasionally you come across one of these pages.


I still handcode a lot of pages, but that's because we work on content outside of CMS-land.
 
2013-02-26 03:34:37 AM

Raging Thespian: That was the text equivalent of In The Hall of the Mountain King.


Reminds me of Real Ultimate Power, which used to blare an instrumental version of "Big Pimpin'".
 
2013-02-26 03:37:14 AM

johncgresham: [members.modernvespa.net image 624x317]


I've never been as happy to see that meme.
 
2013-02-26 03:42:37 AM
The FrontPage version numbering is screwy, but it looks like this is a 10+ year-old version. A huge irritation in that one for me was tag redundancy. Instead of having

<[some tags]>lots of text it would be: <[some tags]>lots <[some tags]>of <[some tags]>text

(God freakin' dammit, the Fark editor and filter is screwing up my example, no matter how I do it.)

Whatever, my point is it would encapsulate every damn line or element in the same formatting codes separately, rather than having everything within a single set.

Also particularly infuriating to a hand-coder was that it would replace all my perfectly good, working HTML with its own interpretation -- which wouldn't work right! (AHEM, Fark.)

/shouldn't have peeked at the code of this post again
//curse you, & nbsp;!
 
2013-02-26 03:47:02 AM
I love that the page was coded in a way that improved traffic 11 godzillionty percent, yet all the "experts" in here are going to show how to "fix" that code...so that it ends up being the most useless pos page on the entire internets.
 
2013-02-26 03:56:45 AM

gerbilpox: The FrontPage version numbering is screwy, but it looks like this is a 10+ year-old version. A huge irritation in that one for me was tag redundancy. Instead of having

<[some tags]>lots of text it would be: <[some tags]>lots <[some tags]>of <[some tags]>text

(God freakin' dammit, the Fark editor and filter is screwing up my example, no matter how I do it.)

Whatever, my point is it would encapsulate every damn line or element in the same formatting codes separately, rather than having everything within a single set.

Also particularly infuriating to a hand-coder was that it would replace all my perfectly good, working HTML with its own interpretation -- which wouldn't work right! (AHEM, Fark.)

/shouldn't have peeked at the code of this post again
//curse you, & nbsp;!


Drop an example on pastebin and link it maybe?
 
2013-02-26 04:02:17 AM

SevenizGud: I love that the page was coded in a way that improved traffic 11 godzillionty percent, yet all the "experts" in here are going to show how to "fix" that code...so that it ends up being the most useless pos page on the entire internets.


You sound concerned.
 
2013-02-26 04:03:29 AM
I have to admin, taking the professional mick out of high end sites is one thing. Doing it to small mom-and-pops isn't cool.

This site has survived serious traffic spikes from fark, hacker news, and I assume reddit, something that many "pro" sites fail at.
 
2013-02-26 04:04:30 AM
I think i just white knighted a web site.

/it still won't sleep with me :'(
 
2013-02-26 04:04:43 AM
How is loop formed??
 
2013-02-26 04:04:52 AM
And I thought redoing a site that was laid out using tables was bad. Yes, all the layout was done with tables.
 
2013-02-26 04:05:36 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: I hereby dub this lunacy "Font Hulking."


Seconded!
 
2013-02-26 04:06:38 AM

WhyteRaven74: And I thought redoing a site that was laid out using tables was bad. Yes, all the layout was done with tables.


standard practice in the late 90s. Css hadn't gotten decent yet
 
2013-02-26 04:06:55 AM

Revek: It would be how many pages printed out?

/I guess they sew sew sew so they don't know know know


33

/A4 paper size
//PDFCreator
 
2013-02-26 04:08:47 AM

Pichu0102: gerbilpox: The FrontPage version numbering is screwy, but it looks like this is a 10+ year-old version. A huge irritation in that one for me was tag redundancy. Instead of having

<[some tags]>lots of text it would be: <[some tags]>lots <[some tags]>of <[some tags]>text

(God freakin' dammit, the Fark editor and filter is screwing up my example, no matter how I do it.)

Drop an example on pastebin and link it maybe?


You miss the point of OCD hand-coding. I must fight the parser here until it begs for mercy! It tasks me, and I shall have it!

< [some tags] > lots of text < / [some tags] >

vs.

< [some tags] > lots < / [some tags] > < [some tags] > of < / [some tags] >  < [some tags] > text < / [some tags] >


/or I can just insert spaces
//eh, good enough
 
2013-02-26 04:09:54 AM

LordOfThePings: You sound concerned.


It's SevenizGud. Consider yourself lucky that he didn't accuse Obama of using gay-powered abortion drones to hack the site in a decade-spanning scheme to take away everybody's weekend barbeque rights.
 
2013-02-26 04:13:43 AM

thisone: I have to admin, taking the professional mick out of high end sites is one thing. Doing it to small mom-and-pops isn't cool.

This site has survived serious traffic spikes from fark, hacker news, and I assume reddit, something that many "pro" sites fail at.


Static HTML is why. Not dynamically-generated.
 
2013-02-26 04:13:56 AM
I started scrolling, didn't think much of it, scrolled more, started giggling, scrolled, laughed out loud, scrolled, belly-laughed ...

And some of the comments have put me over the edge.

Now my stomach hurts.
 
2013-02-26 04:18:58 AM

rolladuck: I do truly miss the days when pages were hand-coded, content was static, ads meant you had hit it big (or had lots of gullible investors) and browsers just browsed.  And geocities was fun (albeit broken as shiat).
I get sad that the internet of old is but a memory, and in thirty years, few people will remember it, and its already completely out of reach.
At least with an old car, you can get that nostalgic feeling if you have one.  That is gone forever with the web.
And then occasionally you come across one of these pages.


Earlier today I clicked a link and it just sat there for ten minutes with a blank page (in a tab), and I remember that that used to happen all the time.  Now it happens rarely enough that it seems odd when it does.
 I don't miss the old Internet.
 
2013-02-26 04:19:08 AM
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-26 04:25:32 AM

Cerebral Knievel: [RETAINING FINGER IN WRONG POSITION]


Yup, that is officially the new UFIA.
 
2013-02-26 04:27:04 AM
That was great. I printed it to a pdf file and it was 19 pages long.
 
2013-02-26 04:31:14 AM

Cerebral Knievel: [img.photobucket.com image 736x1024]


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-26 04:39:49 AM
I just looked at this site from my phone and it looks fine.... anyone got a acreenshot?
 
2013-02-26 04:46:15 AM

HBIC: I just looked at this site from my phone and it looks fine.... anyone got a acreenshot?


Windows Phone, right?

There are a couple of screenshots in the thread already.
 
2013-02-26 05:05:34 AM
cdn.blueblots.com
 
2013-02-26 05:07:22 AM
Yeah as other people have pointed out, I.E. quirks mode actually makes the site work as the author probably intended it (maybe? although I shudder to think about that....)
 
2013-02-26 05:36:03 AM

TwistedFark: Yeah as other people have pointed out, I.E. quirks mode actually makes the site work as the author probably intended it (maybe? although I shudder to think about that....)


The poor lady that runs the website will wake up tomorrow wondering why all these people redirected from Fark have a sudden interest in embroidery machine troubleshooting, and will load up the page to check for any errors and it will look perfectly fine to her.

www.ariionkathleenbrindley.com
"What do they mean, hutummul tag?"
 
2013-02-26 05:42:33 AM
"If a problem persists, we recommend that you contact
Sewing and Embroidery Warehouse"
 
2013-02-26 05:51:47 AM

Shadow Blasko: Just realized... Whoever runs that page is gonna wonder "What the HELL is with all the traffic?"

*assuming some fark friendly web designer is not on the phone with this place at 8AM offering to fix their crap site.. for a reasonable fee...


That site has been like that for a long time. I saw someone tweeting about it long time ago. If they haven't noticed their own website looks like that, I doubt they'll notice traffic.
 
2013-02-26 05:52:51 AM

Xcott: [i778.photobucket.com image 568x410]

"What the hell is that?"
"Oh, I'm just reading an article on the Internet."

/Sorry


Ok, it IS 5:54 am, but this made me laugh like a loon.
 
2013-02-26 05:59:26 AM
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Embroidery Trouble Shooting Page </TITLE><META http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META name="generator" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0"><META name="author" content="Darcy Robert"><META name="keywords" content="Embroidery Machine Trouble Shooting, improper thread, burrs, dry hook, needle size,improper timing, wrong needle, thread to tight, damaged hook, dull needle, Embroidery Machine Trouble Shooting, improper thread, burrs, dry hook, needle size,improper timing, wrong needle, thread to tight, damaged hook, dull needle, Embroidery Machine Trouble Shooting, improper thread, burrs, dry hook, needle size,improper timing, wrong needle, thread to tight, damaged hook, dull needle "><META name="description" content="Embroidery Trouble Shooting Answers to all your questions about Embroidery problems"></HEAD><BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" LINK="#000000" VLINK="#990000"> <center><img src="100" height="40"><img src="100" height="40"><img src="100" height="40"><img src="100" height="40"><img src="100" height="40"><img src="100" height="40"></center><br><br><center> <table border="0" cellspacing="5" style="border-collapse: collapse" width="96%" bgcolor="#D6E7EF" link="#FF0000" alink="#0033CC" vlink="#660000"> <tr><td width="14%" align="center"><font face="Verdana" size="-2"><a href="14%" align="center"><a href="Verdana" size="-2"><strong>Brother Home Sewing</strong><strong> </strong></td> <td width="14%" align="center"><a href="Verdana" size="-2"><strong>Embroidery Machines</strong><strong> </strong></td><td width="14%" align="center"><a href="Verdana" size="-2"><strong>Industrial Sewing</strong><strong> </strong></td></tr><tr><td width="14%" align="center"><a href="Verdana" size="-2"><strong>Cabinets</strong><strong> </strong></td><td width="14%" align="center"><a href="Verdana" size="-2"><strong>Janome Machines</strong><strong> </strong></td><td width="14%" align="center"><a href="Verdana" size="-2"><strong>Contact us</strong><strong> </strong></td></table></center></div><p><cent er><A NAME="#topofpage"> <center><h2><A NAME="Embroidery Trouble Shoot"><font color="##FF0000">Embroidery Trouble Shooting Guide</center><center><h2><font color="#0033FF"><th>Thread Breakage</th></font color></center><h2><font color=" lt blue"><th>Causes:</th></font color><tr><td><h3><font color="red"><font face="arial">Improper Thread <br><width="25%" align="left"></font color><font color="#0033FF"><font face="arial"> Try re-threading the machine; make sure the thread goes through all guides.</font color></td></tr><tr><td><h3><font color="red"><font face="arial">Burrs <br><width="25%" align="left"></font color><font color="0033FF"><font face="arial">There may be burrs in the needle's eye, on the thread guides, needle plate or the hook. Replace the needle and try buffing the thread guides and needle plate. Buffing may alter the timing, so it's a good idea to replace a damaged hook.</font color></td></tr><tr><td><h3><font color="red"><font face="arial">Dry Hook <br><width="25%" align="left"></font color><font color="0033FF"><font face="arial">Because it dries out faster, the hook needs frequent lubrication. The hook assembly should be lubricated every 4-8 hours of machine running time.</font color></td></tr><tr><td><h3><font color="red"><font face="arial">Needle to small <br><width="25%" align="left"></font color><font color="0033FF"><font face="arial">You may have to change to a larger needle</font color></td></tr><tr><td><h3><font color="red"><font face="arial">Too much Adhesive spray <br><width="25%" align="left"></font color><font color="0033FF"><font face="arial">You should be using only Embroidery designed adhesive sprays, never over use them. Too much adhesive build up on the needle can cause them to drag and break threads. If this is happening you should examine the way you use your adhesive spray</font color></td></tr><tr><td><h3><font color="red"><font face="arial">Improper timing <br><width="25%" align="left"></font color><font color="0033FF"><font face="arial">If your machine isn't timed properly, it can cause many probems in addition to thread breaks. Such as broken needles, poor stitching or sometimes no stitching.</td></tr><tr><td><h3><font color="red"><font face="arial">Old Thread <br><width="25%" align="left"></font color><font color="0033FF"><font face="arial">Thread can become brittle with age and long exposure to light, air and heat. You should store your thread in a cool, dark place to lengthen shelf life.</td></tr><tr><td><h3><font color="red"><font face="arial">Bruised cone <br><width="25%" align="left"></font color><font color="0033FF"><font face="arial">A bruised cone of thread can occur if the thread falls on the floor, causing the lower winding of thread to loosen and catch as the thread spools off. You can take off the affected part of the thread or replace the cone.</td></tr><tr><td><h3><font color="red"><font face="arial">Machine speed <br><width="25%" align="left"></font color><font color="0033FF"><font face="arial">Some of the designs increase the stress on thread. You should lower the machine speed as needed</td></tr><tr><td><h3><font color="red"><font face="arial">Lint build up <br><width="25%" align="left"></font color><font color="0033FF"><font face="arial">A lint build up on the tension discs, needle plate or bobbin cases can cause breakage. These areas should be cleaned frequently with air or a brush.</td></tr><tr><td><h3><font color="red"><font face="arial">Bent needle <br><width="25%" align="left"></font color><font color="0033FF"><font face="arial">This can happen after the needle hits a very hard object such as a Hoop, needle plate or the hook. If this happens you have to replace the needle and check for burrs and the timing.</td></tr><tr><td><h3><font color="red"><font fac

(blah blah blah)
 
2013-02-26 06:05:12 AM

Shyla: Shadow Blasko: Just realized... Whoever runs that page is gonna wonder "What the HELL is with all the traffic?"

*assuming some fark friendly web designer is not on the phone with this place at 8AM offering to fix their crap site.. for a reasonable fee...

That site has been like that for a long time. I saw someone tweeting about it long time ago. If they haven't noticed their own website looks like that, I doubt they'll notice traffic.


Maybe they leave it that way just for the traffic, in that it increases name recognition, and there just might be a really big contract coming up soon in their industry. You know a new pope is going to need a lot of new embroidery!
 
2013-02-26 06:06:33 AM
When I read the headline, my first thought was, "Not until I used Python." But that's not what subby meant.

/ Programmer humor
// VERY funny site
 
2013-02-26 06:14:41 AM
Did they fix it?
 
2013-02-26 06:15:47 AM
Laugh at the HTML all you want, but at least now I have some idea of why my threads keep breaking.
 
2013-02-26 06:28:37 AM
As a Time Cube fan, I'm getting a kick out....

/timecube.com
 
2013-02-26 06:29:32 AM
Oblig

s9.postimage.org
 
2013-02-26 06:31:42 AM
I didn't know my browser was capable of rendering 512px fonts. Now I know! Thanks Fark!
 
2013-02-26 06:32:09 AM
filter: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Embroidery Trouble Shooting Page </TITLE><META http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META name="generator" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0"><META name="author" content="Darcy Robert"><META name="keywords" content="Embroidery Machine Trouble Shooting, improper thread, burrs, dry hook, needle size,improper timing, wrong needle, thread to tight, damaged hook, dull needle, Embroidery Machine Trouble Shooting, improper thread, burrs, dry hook, needle size,improper timing, wrong needle, thread to tight, damaged hook, dull needle, Embroidery Machine Trouble Shooting, improper thread, burrs, dry hook, needle size,improper timing, wrong needle, thread to tight, damaged hook, dull needle "><META name="description" content="Embroidery Trouble Shooting Answers to all your questions about Embroidery problems"></HEAD><BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" LINK="#000000" VLINK="#990000"> <center><img src="100" height="40"><img src="100" height="40"><img src="100" height="40"><img src="100" height="40"><img src="100" height="40"><img src="100" height="40"></center><br><br><center> <table border="0" cellspacing="5" style="border-collapse: collapse" width="96%" bgcolor="#D6E7EF" link="#FF0000" alink="#0033CC" vlink="#660000"> <tr><td width="14%" align="center"><font face="Verdana" size="-2"><a href="14%" align="center"><a href="Verdana" size="-2"><strong>Brother Home Sewing</strong><strong> </strong></td> <td width="14%" align="center"><a href="Verdana" size="-2"><strong>Embroidery Machines</strong><strong> </strong></td><td width="14%" align="center"><a href="Verdana" size="-2"><strong>Industrial Sewing</strong><strong> </stro ...
 
2013-02-26 06:32:22 AM

ox45tallboy: TwistedFark: Yeah as other people have pointed out, I.E. quirks mode actually makes the site work as the author probably intended it (maybe? although I shudder to think about that....)

The poor lady that runs the website will wake up tomorrow wondering why all these people redirected from Fark have a sudden interest in embroidery machine troubleshooting, and will load up the page to check for any errors and it will look perfectly fine to her.

[www.ariionkathleenbrindley.com image 500x369]
"What do they mean, hutummul tag?"


I'll bet cash money the person who runs that site hasn't the slightest idea how to check their traffic stats. They won't have clue.
 
2013-02-26 06:36:46 AM

Nebulious: filter: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"><HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Embroidery Trouble Shooting Page </TITLE><META http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"><META name="generator" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0"><META name="author" content="Darcy Robert"><META name="keywords" content="Embroidery Machine Trouble Shooting, improper thread, burrs, dry hook, needle size,improper timing, wrong needle, thread to tight, damaged hook, dull needle, Embroidery Machine Trouble Shooting, improper thread, burrs, dry hook, needle size,improper timing, wrong needle, thread to tight, damaged hook, dull needle, Embroidery Machine Trouble Shooting, improper thread, burrs, dry hook, needle size,improper timing, wrong needle, thread to tight, damaged hook, dull needle "><META name="description" content="Embroidery Trouble Shooting Answers to all your questions about Embroidery problems"></HEAD><BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" LINK="#000000" VLINK="#990000"> <center><img src="100" height="40"><img src="100" height="40"><img src="100" height="40"><img src="100" height="40"><img src="100" height="40"><img src="100" height="40"></center><br><br><center> <table border="0" cellspacing="5" style="border-collapse: collapse" width="96%" bgcolor="#D6E7EF" link="#FF0000" alink="#0033CC" vlink="#660000"> <tr><td width="14%" align="center"><font face="Verdana" size="-2"><a href="14%" align="center"><a href="Verdana" size="-2"><strong>Brother Home Sewing</strong><strong> </strong></td> <td width="14%" align="center"><a href="Verdana" size="-2"><strong>Embroidery Machines</strong><strong> </strong></td><td width="14%" align="center"><a href="Verdana" size="-2"><strong>Industrial Sewing</strong><strong> &l ...


HTML 3.2? And ISO-8859-1? WTF?

I have to admit, I have some issues with HTML5 because it states that a lot of tags shouldn't be closed.
eg.

<ul>
  <li>Awesome item 1
  <li>Awesome item 2
  <li>Awesome item 3
</ul>

Is technically valid. I grew up in an XHTML world (well, eventually) and believe in the "Open a tag, close it biatch!" world. Or if it's a minimized tag, then use the correct syntax...
 
2013-02-26 06:42:53 AM
Yvette's Bridal Formal: Because no thread on batshiat bizarre websites would be complete without it.

/Well, a mirror of it, anyway.
//I believe it turned out to be an ARG, but that doesn't stop it from being awesome.
 
2013-02-26 06:52:42 AM
My HTML may be a bit rusty, but do you really need a </font color> ? I thought </font> was the norm.
 
2013-02-26 06:57:16 AM

Larva Lump: Did they fix it?


No, you just need to use a real web browser instead of IE.
 
2013-02-26 06:59:29 AM

100 Watt Walrus: I'll bet cash money the person who runs that site hasn't the slightest idea how to check their traffic stats. They won't have clue.


Sure they do. They come in an e-mail from GoDaddy in the form of a bill for all the web traffic.
 
2013-02-26 07:00:27 AM
And somewhere someone with a screen reader clicked that link
 
2013-02-26 07:03:48 AM

Legios: I grew up in an XHTML world (well, eventually) and believe in the "Open a tag, close it biatch!" world.


Were you BORN in a <BARN>?
 
2013-02-26 07:05:42 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: Yvette's Bridal Formal: Because no thread on batshiat bizarre websites would be complete without it.

/Well, a mirror of it, anyway.
//I believe it turned out to be an ARG, but that doesn't stop it from being awesome.


It's like Javascript vomited HTML all over the place...I actually feel ill after looking at that.
 
2013-02-26 07:10:36 AM

kim jong-un: And somewhere someone with a screen reader clicked that link


Or better yet, the video guy setting up for a concert at Cowboys Stadium.

All of the cool points lost by that guy who did Hanson's concert video feeds were regained when he was testing out the equipment in Dallas and hooked up his XBox 360 to put HALO on the big screen.

Putting this web site on Jerry Jones' phallus extension would be rather meta.
 
2013-02-26 07:21:51 AM
ox45tallboy

Larva Lump: Did they fix it?

No, you just need to use a real web browser instead of IE.


Never touch IE. Tried it in Camino, Firefox, Seamonkey, Midori, and Safari. Didn't look unusual. Finally dragged the source into Opera and the spectacle revealed itself.

None of these are the latest, bleeding-edge versions, by the way.
 
2013-02-26 07:22:33 AM
Funny thing is in IE 8 it looks fine,
 
2013-02-26 07:32:58 AM
I'm using Lynx to view that web page so I'm getting a big kick out of these comments...
 
2013-02-26 07:36:02 AM
leadership.gwabbit.com
 
2013-02-26 07:37:57 AM

Larva Lump: Tried it in Camino, Firefox, Seamonkey, Midori, and Safari. Didn't look unusual.


Really? I'm not sure you scrolled down the page enough...
 
2013-02-26 07:40:15 AM
Rubberburner believes in STYLE.
 
2013-02-26 07:40:25 AM
This is what internet humor USED to be before we invented cats with bad grammar.
 
2013-02-26 07:42:56 AM

rolladuck: I do truly miss the days when pages were hand-coded, content was static, ads meant you had hit it big (or had lots of gullible investors) and browsers just browsed.  And geocities was fun (albeit broken as shiat).
I get sad that the internet of old is but a memory, and in thirty years, few people will remember it, and its already completely out of reach.
At least with an old car, you can get that nostalgic feeling if you have one.  That is gone forever with the web.
And then occasionally you come across one of these pages.


Mine still lives. Last updated in 2005, but enjoy remembering why no one does this anymore.
http://landark.tripod.com/
Join my web ring!
 
2013-02-26 07:45:12 AM

Zap_Rowsdower: This is what internet humor USED to be before we invented cats with bad grammar.


Recursive thread about recursive threads are recursive.

Fix your bobbin.
 
2013-02-26 07:46:05 AM
Quick!  Someone get Vincent Flanders on the scene!!!

i249.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-26 07:47:18 AM

brainlordmesomorph: Funny thing is in IE 8 it looks fine,


FTFY
 
2013-02-26 07:47:51 AM
It kind of looks like free-form verse:

Thread Breakage
Causes:
Improper Thread
Try re-threading the machine; make sure the thread goes through all guides.
Burrs
There may be burrs in the needle's eye, on the thread guides, needle plate or the hook. Replace the needle and try buffing the thread guides and needle plate. Buffing may alter the timing, so it's a good idea to replace a damaged hook.
Dry Hook
Because it dries out faster, the hook needs frequent lubrication. The hook assembly should be lubricated every 4-8 hours of machine running time.
Needle to small
You may have to change to a larger needle
Too much Adhesive spray
You should be using only Embroidery designed adhesive sprays, never over use them. Too much adhesive build up on the needle can cause them to drag and break threads. If this is happening you should examine the way you use your adhesive spray
Improper timing
If your machine isn't timed properly, it can cause many probems in addition to thread breaks. Such as broken needles, poor stitching or sometimes no stitching.
Old Thread
Thread can become brittle with age and long exposure to light, air and heat. You should store your thread in a cool, dark place to lengthen shelf life.
Bruised cone
A bruised cone of thread can occur if the thread falls on the floor, causing the lower winding of thread to loosen and catch as the thread spools off. You can take off the affected part of the thread or replace the cone.
Machine speed
Some of the designs increase the stress on thread. You should lower the machine speed as needed
Lint build up
A lint build up on the tension discs, needle plate or bobbin cases can cause breakage. These areas should be cleaned frequently with air or a brush.
Bent needle
This can happen after the needle hits a very hard object such as a Hoop, needle plate or the hook. If this happens you have to replace the needle and check for burrs and the timing.
Improper tensions
If the tension is too tight, it can cause pulling, puckering and thread stress. If the thread is too loose it can cause the thread to pile up and loop. You have to adjust the tensions to achieve a flat smooth look.
Using Tape for loose ends
Using tape can leave a residue and this can cause friction and thread breakage.
Holding the thread
If you hold the loose end of the thread when you start up the machine and you are pulling the thread too tight, it can cause the needle to bend or break and can also cause the thread to break.
Stitches form wrong or not at all
Causes:
Empty Bobbin
replace
Retaining finger in wrong position
loop can not form
Improper Timing
the bobbin hook won't catch the loop
Needle position is incorrect
can cause the timing to be off
Damaged hook
replace
Missed stitches
Causes:
Wrong Needle Size
in relation to the thread and this can make it difficult for loops to form
Thread is to tight or to loose
causes irregular loops to form
Timing is incorrect
can cause the bobbin hook to not catch the loop
Needle breaks
Causes:
Bent needle
replace
Dull needle
will bend and eventually break, replace
Timing wrong
damage to needle and hook and poor stitch quality
Holding thread during startup
can bend the needle and break the thread
Needle is inserted wrong
insert all the way up the needle bar shaft and needle screw is tight
Needle cuts holes in garment
Causes:
Dull needle
difficult to pierce garment causing tearing
Needle point is wrong type
wrong point can damage some fabrics, try a ballpoint
Needle to large
can stretch fabrics
Fabrics are to delicate
may have to use a topping
The design is out of register
Causes:
Garment is hooped to loosley
re-hoop but do not stretch fabric
The fabric is unstable
you may have to use a heavier backing
Garment is puckering
Causes:
Tensions to tight for a particular thread or garment
Improper hooping
Unstable fabric
Dull needles
Too many stitches in an area
These are some of the normal problems you may experience during the Embroidery Process.



Someone should set it to music.
 
2013-02-26 07:50:02 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: I hereby dub this lunacy "Font Hulking."


HTML *SMASH*!!!
 
2013-02-26 07:50:52 AM

Snarfangel: Someone should set it to music.


Or sign it "e. e. cummings."

/except you'd have to get rid of ALL the caps...
 
2013-02-26 07:59:14 AM
Nice that the main page for the site has a link  called "small print"
 
2013-02-26 08:07:05 AM

RobSeace: Larva Lump: Tried it in Camino, Firefox, Seamonkey, Midori, and Safari. Didn't look unusual.

Really? I'm not sure you scrolled down the page enough...


I doubt it too. In Camino it loaded as the author intended. In Firefox, Seamonkey, Safari, and Chrome it suffered from the progressive embiggenation. Did not yet check it in Lynx.

/Midori, you say...?
 
2013-02-26 08:07:34 AM
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2013-02-26 08:11:17 AM

MarkEC: My HTML may be a bit rusty, but do you really need a </font color> ? I thought </font> was the norm.


Here, "color" is an attribute. Closing tags don't have attributes. So, no.

But it has nothing to do with George Wendt.
 
2013-02-26 08:14:19 AM
Site has been repaired.
they must have stitched it up.
 
2013-02-26 08:20:25 AM
Still seeing it here in Safari. IE cleans up after FrontPage, as always; oddly, so does the Android (Gingerbread) built-in browser.

Hope it stays up in its current form long enough for my wife to see it. I saved a .webarchive of it, just in case.
 
2013-02-26 08:21:33 AM
Thanks for a good laugh this morning.
 
2013-02-26 08:22:25 AM

Raging Thespian: That was the text equivalent of In The Hall of the Mountain King.


And this is why I come to Fark.

/would also have accepted Bolero
 
2013-02-26 08:24:12 AM

Flakeloaf: <strong>
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2013-02-26 08:29:16 AM

rolladuck: I do truly miss the days when pages were hand-coded, content was static, ads meant you had hit it big (or had lots of gullible investors) and browsers just browsed.  And geocities was fun (albeit broken as shiat).
I get sad that the internet of old is but a memory, and in thirty years, few people will remember it, and its already completely out of reach.
At least with an old car, you can get that nostalgic feeling if you have one.  That is gone forever with the web.
And then occasionally you come across one of these pages.


Just beautiful.  Like so many others, I remember a time of no corporate sites, no advertising, $175 domain names and personal web sites about their dogs from comp. sci profs.
A time when, for the modest investment of 20 hours and a T1 line you could see all the www.
 
2013-02-26 08:31:43 AM

OgreMagi: Don't use tables for non-tabular data.



An important exception to this rule is HTML for email clients.
 
2013-02-26 08:31:55 AM

I Ate Shergar: Raging Thespian: That was the text equivalent of In The Hall of the Mountain King.

Or Ravel's Bolero.


Dammit!
 
2013-02-26 08:37:36 AM
Wow, that escalated quickly.  Looks hilarious in Chrome, really drives home those points of cleaning your needles. Looks normal in IE6.
 
2013-02-26 08:40:17 AM

choo: Works fine in Internet Explorer actually. FrontPage rules!


I was just gonna skip this until you said that...

So, I had to see what retarded thing that IE was doing.

<tr><td><h3><font color="red"><font face="arial">Improper timing <br><width="25%" align="left"></font color><font color="0033FF"><font face="arial">If your machine isn't timed properly, it can cause many probems in addition to thread breaks. Such as broken needles, poor stitching or sometimes no stitching.</td></tr> <tr><td> ...

Obviously it's stupid that this was generated by an MS product. The whole thing is pretty funny
<width>? really?
</font color>? what?

But the deal here is that you can't nest <td> tags. (In fact the </td> tag is, by definition, optional in HTML) So the next <tr> implies the end of the <td> element, and IE is treating that as the end of all the things inside it.

Now, I'm not going to sit here for an hour and pick it apart, but see that part I copy/pasted? I can't find a matching <table> for it anywhere, so Chrome is just plain dropping those tags entirely. The <tr> and <td> tags may as well not exist, so you end up with a series of unclosed <h3> tags everywhere.

It's a fun exercise in HTML parsing.

I don't have Windows 8. I'm curious what IE10 does if you force it to "standards mode"
 
2013-02-26 08:43:27 AM

jonny_q: choo: Works fine in Internet Explorer actually. FrontPage rules!

I was just gonna skip this until you said that...

So, I had to see what retarded thing that IE was doing.


Ok I was wrong. IE is dropping those tags, too, and IE is nesting all the elements, too... I just think IE must be using an absolute size for H3 tags instead of making each one relative to the one before it.
 
2013-02-26 08:57:38 AM
HTML NERDS!
 
2013-02-26 08:59:31 AM
<big><big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big>
<big><big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big > <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> +1
</big></big> </big> </big> </big> </big> </big> </big> </big> </big>  </big> </big> </big> </big> </big> </big> </big> </big>
</big></big> </big> </big> </big> </big> </big> </big> </big> </big>  < /big> </big> </big> </big> </big> </big> </big> </big>


/This would have been pathetically awesome, but Drew filters out all but one set.
 
2013-02-26 09:11:27 AM
I miss Mirsky.
 
2013-02-26 09:17:25 AM
Once I saw the scroll bar, I knew.

Oh, I knew.
 
2013-02-26 09:18:42 AM

Flakeloaf: <strong>
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wrong,
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song,
song,
song

/Yes, I memorise lyrics.
 
2013-02-26 09:30:32 AM
That is way funnier than it should be.
 
2013-02-26 09:32:33 AM
<DERP>
herp
</DERP>
 
2013-02-26 09:36:41 AM
*Drinks coffee* <laugh>

...


fark.
 
2013-02-26 09:37:16 AM
Sewing!
 
2013-02-26 09:50:21 AM
God... you guys can really be asses about anything can't you?

\and that's why I love you
 
2013-02-26 09:54:33 AM

Ivo Shandor: rolladuck: At least with an old car, you can get that nostalgic feeling if you have one. That is gone forever with the web.

Gone but not forgotten.


web.archive.org
 
2013-02-26 10:01:35 AM

rolladuck: I do truly miss the days when pages were hand-coded, content was static, ads meant you had hit it big (or had lots of gullible investors) and browsers just browsed.  And geocities was fun (albeit broken as shiat).
I get sad that the internet of old is but a memory, and in thirty years, few people will remember it, and its already completely out of reach.
At least with an old car, you can get that nostalgic feeling if you have one.  That is gone forever with the web.
And then occasionally you come across one of these pages.


Back in 1998 I had a commercial real estate agent friend who acquired some acreage in a semi-rural area that was about a mile from a new and booming commercial district of a small town. I convinced her to let me build a Geocities site to advertise it as an investment opportunity. So I built the website in about a day, hand coding it all, and registered it with all the search engines spamming the crap out of keywords any way I could. Within about a month it was on the first page of several search engines. She was quite impressed and said she'd pay me when it sold.

I never expected to see any money, just thought it might be a good thing to have some experience for a resume or portfolio. Well, two years later the property sold and she sent me a check for $5,000! And the coolest part of the whole deal is I didn't even own a computer at the time. I used the university law library's computers to do all the work because they had no time limit and hardly anyone was ever there.

/csb
 
2013-02-26 10:13:17 AM
Look at the source. At the very, very bottom,

</h3>
</h3>
</h2>
</body>
</html>

How very useful.
 
2013-02-26 10:22:14 AM
This thread puts me in stitches.
 
2013-02-26 10:22:44 AM

Ivo Shandor: W3C validator says: 424 errors, 1 warning.


What was the warning?

"Oh, and your breath stinks, too!"
 
2013-02-26 10:23:48 AM
Have not read all the comments yet, but... I'm wondering if this site hired the Timecube guy to do their page?
 
2013-02-26 10:32:52 AM
Ok, so if your thread is still breaking, do a select-all on the page, then paste-special unformatted into Word.
 
2013-02-26 10:46:32 AM
www.nytmare.org
 
2013-02-26 10:48:26 AM

Revek: It would be how many pages printed out?

/I guess they sew sew sew so they don't know know know


270, at least by print preview.  By the end it's one letter per page.
 
2013-02-26 10:51:47 AM
I found myself slowly backing away from my monitor like my personal space was being invaded.
 
2013-02-26 11:09:12 AM

rolladuck: I do truly miss the days when pages were hand-coded, content was static, ads meant you had hit it big (or had lots of gullible investors) and browsers just browsed.  And geocities was fun (albeit broken as shiat).
I get sad that the internet of old is but a memory, and in thirty years, few people will remember it, and its already completely out of reach.
At least with an old car, you can get that nostalgic feeling if you have one.  That is gone forever with the web.
And then occasionally you come across one of these pages.


http://www.smalltime.com/findthespam/
 
2013-02-26 11:22:29 AM

I Ate Shergar: Raging Thespian: That was the text equivalent of In The Hall of the Mountain King.

Or Ravel's Bolero.


Depends on how fast you scroll down.  If you use the arrow keys, it's Bolero.  Use the mouse, and it's more like Saber Dance.
 
2013-02-26 11:28:00 AM

Yes this is dog: [cdn.blueblots.com image 450x300]


i'll see Star Wars and raise you Spaceballs:

farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2013-02-26 11:31:08 AM
TL;DR
 
2013-02-26 11:54:17 AM
What?!
This is an actual web page?!
Somebody should inform the company.
OR DID A SPITEFUL WEBMASTER DO THAT ON PURPOSE?


/kinda serious; I've seen bad web pages, but never production ones that unreadable
 
2013-02-26 12:00:43 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: LordOfThePings: You sound concerned.

It's SevenizGud. Consider yourself lucky that he didn't accuse Obama of using gay-powered abortion drones to hack the site in a decade-spanning scheme to take away everybody's weekend barbeque rights.


Damnit, now I need to start up ANOTHER band.
 
2013-02-26 12:09:06 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Yvette's Bridal Formal: Because no thread on batshiat bizarre websites would be complete without it.


GAH!

Make it stop!!
 
2013-02-26 12:17:39 PM

kim jong-un: And somewhere someone with a screen reader clicked that link


Makes me wonder what the required font size is before a screen reader interprets it as "this is so important, I must shout it in a creepy robotic voice, mere speech does not cover fonts of this magnitude".
 
2013-02-26 12:24:46 PM

jonny_q: choo: Works fine in Internet Explorer actually. FrontPage rules!

I was just gonna skip this until you said that...

So, I had to see what retarded thing that IE was doing.

<tr><td><h3><font color="red"><font face="arial">Improper timing <br><width="25%" align="left"></font color><font color="0033FF"><font face="arial">If your machine isn't timed properly, it can cause many probems in addition to thread breaks. Such as broken needles, poor stitching or sometimes no stitching.</td></tr> <tr><td> ...

Obviously it's stupid that this was generated by an MS product. The whole thing is pretty funny
<width>? really?
</font color>? what?

But the deal here is that you can't nest <td> tags. (In fact the </td> tag is, by definition, optional in HTML) So the next <tr> implies the end of the <td> element, and IE is treating that as the end of all the things inside it.

Now, I'm not going to sit here for an hour and pick it apart, but see that part I copy/pasted? I can't find a matching <table> for it anywhere, so Chrome is just plain dropping those tags entirely. The <tr> and <td> tags may as well not exist, so you end up with a series of unclosed <h3> tags everywhere.

It's a fun exercise in HTML parsing.

I don't have Windows 8. I'm curious what IE10 does if you force it to "standards mode"


<tl>
</dr>

/<jk>
 
2013-02-26 12:59:43 PM
At least you can read the type, unlike on websites that feature tiny white type against a black background, or light gray type against a white background.
 
2013-02-26 01:08:59 PM
WhyteRaven74
And I thought redoing a site that was laid out using tables was bad. Yes, all the layout was done with tables.


I like using tables.
They're fast and by now all browsers are more or less agreeing on what to do with them.

Hey, if you look at Web2.0-AJAXy-CSS-BOX pages, their designers often don't even seem to know how (not) to nest DIV, SPAN and list tags and they probably copy&pasted the DOCTYPE and CHARSET lines from their editor's default page template.
And then you have to run those pages through the deslider to turn them into tables so that they become readable on all browsers again.. ;)

/ each Fark comment has its own table IIRC (too lazy to look)
 
2013-02-26 01:13:17 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: At least you can read the type, unlike on websites that feature tiny white type against a black background, or light gray type against a white background.


You didn't scroll down, did you?
 
2013-02-26 01:23:18 PM

dr.zaeus: OgreMagi: Don't use tables for non-tabular data.


An important exception to this rule is HTML for email clients.


You dont' use HTML in email.  No exceptions.
 
2013-02-26 01:31:35 PM

Ivo Shandor: W3C validator says: 424 errors, 1 warning.


What do you expect when a website is trying to comply with the crazy standard that is HTML 3.2?
 
2013-02-26 01:40:09 PM

jonny_q: choo: Works fine in Internet Explorer actually. FrontPage rules!

I was just gonna skip this until you said that...

So, I had to see what retarded thing that IE was doing.

<tr><td><h3><font color="red"><font face="arial">Improper timing <br><width="25%" align="left"></font color><font color="0033FF"><font face="arial">If your machine isn't timed properly, it can cause many probems in addition to thread breaks. Such as broken needles, poor stitching or sometimes no stitching.</td></tr> <tr><td> ...

Obviously it's stupid that this was generated by an MS product. The whole thing is pretty funny
<width>? really?
</font color>? what?

But the deal here is that you can't nest <td> tags. (In fact the </td> tag is, by definition, optional in HTML) So the next <tr> implies the end of the <td> element, and IE is treating that as the end of all the things inside it.

Now, I'm not going to sit here for an hour and pick it apart, but see that part I copy/pasted? I can't find a matching <table> for it anywhere, so Chrome is just plain dropping those tags entirely. The <tr> and <td> tags may as well not exist, so you end up with a series of unclosed <h3> tags everywhere.

It's a fun exercise in HTML parsing.

I don't have Windows 8. I'm curious what IE10 does if you force it to "standards mode"


It's just as borked in default IE10. Works in "compatibility mode."
 
2013-02-26 02:12:30 PM

LordOfThePings: HBIC: I just looked at this site from my phone and it looks fine.... anyone got a acreenshot?

Windows Phone, right?

There are a couple of screenshots in the thread already.


Android phone, and the pictures weren't showing. Had to come back to the thread on my pc... everything makes sense now hahah
 
2013-02-26 02:35:54 PM

Ivo Shandor: rolladuck: At least with an old car, you can get that nostalgic feeling if you have one. That is gone forever with the web.

Gone but not forgotten.


Holy shiat, that's about when I started farking.  Ah, memories.

/much less time wasters on the internet in 2000
//only way I could survive working a helpdesk.
 
2013-02-26 03:23:45 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: At least you can read the type, unlike on websites that feature tiny white type against a black background, or light gray type against a white background.


Or my personal favorite, the 0000FF blue text on a field of stars, because the Internet was THE FUTURE!
 
2013-02-26 03:29:26 PM
We've got spirit, yes we do!  Weve got spirit, how 'bout you?
 
2013-02-26 03:59:03 PM

Badgerlad: kim jong-un: And somewhere someone with a screen reader clicked that link

Makes me wonder what the required font size is before a screen reader interprets it as "this is so important, I must shout it in a creepy robotic voice, mere speech does not cover fonts of this magnitude".



You made me laugh so hard I actually stopped breathing for a second or two.
/yes, I know that's doing it wrong.
 
2013-02-26 04:22:45 PM
I first opened this one in a browser that made it look normal, like it had closed the tags. Knowing what you guys had seen, I figured it wouldn't be as funny when I opened it in another browser that didn't fix it. Wrong, apparently - that was farking hilarious.
 
2013-02-26 05:34:40 PM

Badgerlad: kim jong-un: And somewhere someone with a screen reader clicked that link

Makes me wonder what the required font size is before a screen reader interprets it as "this is so important, I must shout it in a creepy robotic voice, mere speech does not cover fonts of this magnitude".


I can only hope that past 72 points, the text-to-speech software switches from its normal voice and volume over to full-on angry Dalek.
 
2013-02-26 05:35:56 PM
That's beautiful.
 
2013-02-26 06:54:11 PM

Revek: It would be how many pages printed out?

/I guess they sew sew sew so they don't know know know


Save as PDF was 246 pages.
 
2013-02-26 06:59:37 PM
Print to a PDF file then start scrolling. Eventually all you see it blocks and shapes. Or on the page, I suppose.
 
2013-02-26 07:06:45 PM
This makes me want to format a page with tables and invisible gifs.
 
2013-02-26 09:38:24 PM
Only looked at it in Chrome, but the issue appears to be a combination of nested h3 tags causing a recursive CSS of font-size: 1.17 em. Each nested h3 is 1.17x larger than the last (its parent). If the h3s were in sequence as they should have been, the page would look fine. Alternatively, if the CSS defined an absolute font size, such as 14pt, instead of a relative size it would look fine.
 
2013-02-26 10:10:30 PM
nilla
the header tag isn't optional on closing, which was obviously left out here.
the font size uses em's, which are a relative sizing to the element's parent.
each time a new h3 was opened, the font is increased by 1.17x.
hard to imagine ms front page even allowed this to happen.


fizzled
Only looked at it in Chrome, but the issue appears to be a combination of nested h3 tags causing a recursive CSS of font-size: 1.17 em. Each nested h3 is 1.17x larger than the last (its parent). If the h3s were in sequence as they should have been, the page would look fine. Alternatively, if the CSS defined an absolute font size, such as 14pt, instead of a relative size it would look fine.



Just for clarification I would like to point out that the site isn't defining any font for the h3s.
Those 1.17em are some browsers' default style for h3, which explains why the broken code "works" in some browsers and not in others (different browsers, different default CSS).
If you use the webdeveloper extension for Firefox/Seamonkey, you can disable the browser's default stylesheet and the page will become readable in those browsers, too, because then the browser won't increase the font size with every new h3.
 
2013-02-27 01:36:59 AM
saturn badger:
Save as PDF was 246 pages.

So where is the link to your PDF?
 
2013-02-27 06:34:46 AM
i was gonna view the source, but you can't farking do that in Safari.
 
2013-02-27 10:46:07 AM

OgreMagi: dr.zaeus: OgreMagi: Don't use tables for non-tabular data.


An important exception to this rule is HTML for email clients.

You dont' use HTML in email.  No exceptions.


You're joking, right.
 
2013-02-27 11:29:34 AM

dr.zaeus: OgreMagi: You dont' use HTML in email.  No exceptions.

You

're joking, right.

FTFY

/Also, not to be a grammar nazi, but 46 should be 63.
 
2013-02-27 11:33:50 AM

Xcott: dr.zaeus: OgreMagi: You dont' use HTML in email.  No exceptions.

You

're joking, right.

HA!  I knew I should have previewed.  Nevermind.
 
2013-02-27 01:29:55 PM

dr.zaeus: OgreMagi: dr.zaeus: OgreMagi: Don't use tables for non-tabular data.


An important exception to this rule is HTML for email clients.

You dont' use HTML in email.  No exceptions.

You're joking, right.


I've found a top poster!  Get Him!
 
2013-02-27 01:47:59 PM

dr.zaeus: OgreMagi: dr.zaeus: OgreMagi: Don't use tables for non-tabular data.


An important exception to this rule is HTML for email clients.

You dont' use HTML in email.  No exceptions.

You're joking, right.


HTML E-mail is a total abomination... Plain text only... Keep the HTML on the web and off my SMTP server!
 
2013-02-27 04:43:00 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: I hereby dub this lunacy "Font Hulking."


Perfect!
 
2013-02-27 05:16:22 PM
They did close them. At the very end (lines ~106-110)
 
2013-02-27 10:03:17 PM

BC Bushman: saturn badger:
Save as PDF was 246 pages.

So where is the link to your PDF?


https://sites.google.com/site/saturnbadger/files
 
2013-02-27 11:03:13 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: i was gonna view the source, but you can't farking do that in Safari.


Sure you can. It's under the View menu.
 
2013-02-28 11:31:59 AM

saturn badger: BC Bushman: saturn badger:
Save as PDF was 246 pages.

So where is the link to your PDF?

https://sites.google.com/site/saturnbadger/files


I will treasure it always.  Particularly page 186 - that is my fav.
 
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