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2013-02-26 09:36:41 AM
*Drinks coffee* <laugh>

...


fark.
 
2013-02-26 09:37:16 AM
Sewing!
 
2013-02-26 09:50:21 AM
God... you guys can really be asses about anything can't you?

\and that's why I love you
 
2013-02-26 09:54:33 AM

Ivo Shandor: rolladuck: At least with an old car, you can get that nostalgic feeling if you have one. That is gone forever with the web.

Gone but not forgotten.


web.archive.org
 
2013-02-26 10:01:35 AM

rolladuck: I do truly miss the days when pages were hand-coded, content was static, ads meant you had hit it big (or had lots of gullible investors) and browsers just browsed.  And geocities was fun (albeit broken as shiat).
I get sad that the internet of old is but a memory, and in thirty years, few people will remember it, and its already completely out of reach.
At least with an old car, you can get that nostalgic feeling if you have one.  That is gone forever with the web.
And then occasionally you come across one of these pages.


Back in 1998 I had a commercial real estate agent friend who acquired some acreage in a semi-rural area that was about a mile from a new and booming commercial district of a small town. I convinced her to let me build a Geocities site to advertise it as an investment opportunity. So I built the website in about a day, hand coding it all, and registered it with all the search engines spamming the crap out of keywords any way I could. Within about a month it was on the first page of several search engines. She was quite impressed and said she'd pay me when it sold.

I never expected to see any money, just thought it might be a good thing to have some experience for a resume or portfolio. Well, two years later the property sold and she sent me a check for $5,000! And the coolest part of the whole deal is I didn't even own a computer at the time. I used the university law library's computers to do all the work because they had no time limit and hardly anyone was ever there.

/csb
 
2013-02-26 10:13:17 AM
Look at the source. At the very, very bottom,

</h3>
</h3>
</h2>
</body>
</html>

How very useful.
 
2013-02-26 10:22:14 AM
This thread puts me in stitches.
 
2013-02-26 10:22:44 AM

Ivo Shandor: W3C validator says: 424 errors, 1 warning.


What was the warning?

"Oh, and your breath stinks, too!"
 
2013-02-26 10:23:48 AM
Have not read all the comments yet, but... I'm wondering if this site hired the Timecube guy to do their page?
 
2013-02-26 10:32:52 AM
Ok, so if your thread is still breaking, do a select-all on the page, then paste-special unformatted into Word.
 
2013-02-26 10:46:32 AM
www.nytmare.org
 
2013-02-26 10:48:26 AM

Revek: It would be how many pages printed out?

/I guess they sew sew sew so they don't know know know


270, at least by print preview.  By the end it's one letter per page.
 
2013-02-26 10:51:47 AM
I found myself slowly backing away from my monitor like my personal space was being invaded.
 
2013-02-26 11:09:12 AM

rolladuck: I do truly miss the days when pages were hand-coded, content was static, ads meant you had hit it big (or had lots of gullible investors) and browsers just browsed.  And geocities was fun (albeit broken as shiat).
I get sad that the internet of old is but a memory, and in thirty years, few people will remember it, and its already completely out of reach.
At least with an old car, you can get that nostalgic feeling if you have one.  That is gone forever with the web.
And then occasionally you come across one of these pages.


http://www.smalltime.com/findthespam/
 
2013-02-26 11:22:29 AM

I Ate Shergar: Raging Thespian: That was the text equivalent of In The Hall of the Mountain King.

Or Ravel's Bolero.


Depends on how fast you scroll down.  If you use the arrow keys, it's Bolero.  Use the mouse, and it's more like Saber Dance.
 
2013-02-26 11:28:00 AM

Yes this is dog: [cdn.blueblots.com image 450x300]


i'll see Star Wars and raise you Spaceballs:

farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2013-02-26 11:31:08 AM
TL;DR
 
2013-02-26 11:54:17 AM
What?!
This is an actual web page?!
Somebody should inform the company.
OR DID A SPITEFUL WEBMASTER DO THAT ON PURPOSE?


/kinda serious; I've seen bad web pages, but never production ones that unreadable
 
2013-02-26 12:00:43 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: LordOfThePings: You sound concerned.

It's SevenizGud. Consider yourself lucky that he didn't accuse Obama of using gay-powered abortion drones to hack the site in a decade-spanning scheme to take away everybody's weekend barbeque rights.


Damnit, now I need to start up ANOTHER band.
 
2013-02-26 12:09:06 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Yvette's Bridal Formal: Because no thread on batshiat bizarre websites would be complete without it.


GAH!

Make it stop!!
 
2013-02-26 12:17:39 PM

kim jong-un: And somewhere someone with a screen reader clicked that link


Makes me wonder what the required font size is before a screen reader interprets it as "this is so important, I must shout it in a creepy robotic voice, mere speech does not cover fonts of this magnitude".
 
2013-02-26 12:24:46 PM

jonny_q: choo: Works fine in Internet Explorer actually. FrontPage rules!

I was just gonna skip this until you said that...

So, I had to see what retarded thing that IE was doing.

<tr><td><h3><font color="red"><font face="arial">Improper timing <br><width="25%" align="left"></font color><font color="0033FF"><font face="arial">If your machine isn't timed properly, it can cause many probems in addition to thread breaks. Such as broken needles, poor stitching or sometimes no stitching.</td></tr> <tr><td> ...

Obviously it's stupid that this was generated by an MS product. The whole thing is pretty funny
<width>? really?
</font color>? what?

But the deal here is that you can't nest <td> tags. (In fact the </td> tag is, by definition, optional in HTML) So the next <tr> implies the end of the <td> element, and IE is treating that as the end of all the things inside it.

Now, I'm not going to sit here for an hour and pick it apart, but see that part I copy/pasted? I can't find a matching <table> for it anywhere, so Chrome is just plain dropping those tags entirely. The <tr> and <td> tags may as well not exist, so you end up with a series of unclosed <h3> tags everywhere.

It's a fun exercise in HTML parsing.

I don't have Windows 8. I'm curious what IE10 does if you force it to "standards mode"


<tl>
</dr>

/<jk>
 
2013-02-26 12:59:43 PM
At least you can read the type, unlike on websites that feature tiny white type against a black background, or light gray type against a white background.
 
2013-02-26 01:08:59 PM
WhyteRaven74
And I thought redoing a site that was laid out using tables was bad. Yes, all the layout was done with tables.


I like using tables.
They're fast and by now all browsers are more or less agreeing on what to do with them.

Hey, if you look at Web2.0-AJAXy-CSS-BOX pages, their designers often don't even seem to know how (not) to nest DIV, SPAN and list tags and they probably copy&pasted the DOCTYPE and CHARSET lines from their editor's default page template.
And then you have to run those pages through the deslider to turn them into tables so that they become readable on all browsers again.. ;)

/ each Fark comment has its own table IIRC (too lazy to look)
 
2013-02-26 01:13:17 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: At least you can read the type, unlike on websites that feature tiny white type against a black background, or light gray type against a white background.


You didn't scroll down, did you?
 
2013-02-26 01:23:18 PM

dr.zaeus: OgreMagi: Don't use tables for non-tabular data.


An important exception to this rule is HTML for email clients.


You dont' use HTML in email.  No exceptions.
 
2013-02-26 01:31:35 PM

Ivo Shandor: W3C validator says: 424 errors, 1 warning.


What do you expect when a website is trying to comply with the crazy standard that is HTML 3.2?
 
2013-02-26 01:40:09 PM

jonny_q: choo: Works fine in Internet Explorer actually. FrontPage rules!

I was just gonna skip this until you said that...

So, I had to see what retarded thing that IE was doing.

<tr><td><h3><font color="red"><font face="arial">Improper timing <br><width="25%" align="left"></font color><font color="0033FF"><font face="arial">If your machine isn't timed properly, it can cause many probems in addition to thread breaks. Such as broken needles, poor stitching or sometimes no stitching.</td></tr> <tr><td> ...

Obviously it's stupid that this was generated by an MS product. The whole thing is pretty funny
<width>? really?
</font color>? what?

But the deal here is that you can't nest <td> tags. (In fact the </td> tag is, by definition, optional in HTML) So the next <tr> implies the end of the <td> element, and IE is treating that as the end of all the things inside it.

Now, I'm not going to sit here for an hour and pick it apart, but see that part I copy/pasted? I can't find a matching <table> for it anywhere, so Chrome is just plain dropping those tags entirely. The <tr> and <td> tags may as well not exist, so you end up with a series of unclosed <h3> tags everywhere.

It's a fun exercise in HTML parsing.

I don't have Windows 8. I'm curious what IE10 does if you force it to "standards mode"


It's just as borked in default IE10. Works in "compatibility mode."
 
2013-02-26 02:12:30 PM

LordOfThePings: HBIC: I just looked at this site from my phone and it looks fine.... anyone got a acreenshot?

Windows Phone, right?

There are a couple of screenshots in the thread already.


Android phone, and the pictures weren't showing. Had to come back to the thread on my pc... everything makes sense now hahah
 
2013-02-26 02:35:54 PM

Ivo Shandor: rolladuck: At least with an old car, you can get that nostalgic feeling if you have one. That is gone forever with the web.

Gone but not forgotten.


Holy shiat, that's about when I started farking.  Ah, memories.

/much less time wasters on the internet in 2000
//only way I could survive working a helpdesk.
 
2013-02-26 03:23:45 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: At least you can read the type, unlike on websites that feature tiny white type against a black background, or light gray type against a white background.


Or my personal favorite, the 0000FF blue text on a field of stars, because the Internet was THE FUTURE!
 
2013-02-26 03:29:26 PM
We've got spirit, yes we do!  Weve got spirit, how 'bout you?
 
2013-02-26 03:59:03 PM

Badgerlad: kim jong-un: And somewhere someone with a screen reader clicked that link

Makes me wonder what the required font size is before a screen reader interprets it as "this is so important, I must shout it in a creepy robotic voice, mere speech does not cover fonts of this magnitude".



You made me laugh so hard I actually stopped breathing for a second or two.
/yes, I know that's doing it wrong.
 
2013-02-26 04:22:45 PM
I first opened this one in a browser that made it look normal, like it had closed the tags. Knowing what you guys had seen, I figured it wouldn't be as funny when I opened it in another browser that didn't fix it. Wrong, apparently - that was farking hilarious.
 
2013-02-26 05:34:40 PM

Badgerlad: kim jong-un: And somewhere someone with a screen reader clicked that link

Makes me wonder what the required font size is before a screen reader interprets it as "this is so important, I must shout it in a creepy robotic voice, mere speech does not cover fonts of this magnitude".


I can only hope that past 72 points, the text-to-speech software switches from its normal voice and volume over to full-on angry Dalek.
 
2013-02-26 05:35:56 PM
That's beautiful.
 
2013-02-26 06:54:11 PM

Revek: It would be how many pages printed out?

/I guess they sew sew sew so they don't know know know


Save as PDF was 246 pages.
 
2013-02-26 06:59:37 PM
Print to a PDF file then start scrolling. Eventually all you see it blocks and shapes. Or on the page, I suppose.
 
2013-02-26 07:06:45 PM
This makes me want to format a page with tables and invisible gifs.
 
2013-02-26 09:38:24 PM
Only looked at it in Chrome, but the issue appears to be a combination of nested h3 tags causing a recursive CSS of font-size: 1.17 em. Each nested h3 is 1.17x larger than the last (its parent). If the h3s were in sequence as they should have been, the page would look fine. Alternatively, if the CSS defined an absolute font size, such as 14pt, instead of a relative size it would look fine.
 
2013-02-26 10:10:30 PM
nilla
the header tag isn't optional on closing, which was obviously left out here.
the font size uses em's, which are a relative sizing to the element's parent.
each time a new h3 was opened, the font is increased by 1.17x.
hard to imagine ms front page even allowed this to happen.


fizzled
Only looked at it in Chrome, but the issue appears to be a combination of nested h3 tags causing a recursive CSS of font-size: 1.17 em. Each nested h3 is 1.17x larger than the last (its parent). If the h3s were in sequence as they should have been, the page would look fine. Alternatively, if the CSS defined an absolute font size, such as 14pt, instead of a relative size it would look fine.



Just for clarification I would like to point out that the site isn't defining any font for the h3s.
Those 1.17em are some browsers' default style for h3, which explains why the broken code "works" in some browsers and not in others (different browsers, different default CSS).
If you use the webdeveloper extension for Firefox/Seamonkey, you can disable the browser's default stylesheet and the page will become readable in those browsers, too, because then the browser won't increase the font size with every new h3.
 
2013-02-27 01:36:59 AM
saturn badger:
Save as PDF was 246 pages.

So where is the link to your PDF?
 
2013-02-27 06:34:46 AM
i was gonna view the source, but you can't farking do that in Safari.
 
2013-02-27 10:46:07 AM

OgreMagi: dr.zaeus: OgreMagi: Don't use tables for non-tabular data.


An important exception to this rule is HTML for email clients.

You dont' use HTML in email.  No exceptions.


You're joking, right.
 
2013-02-27 11:29:34 AM

dr.zaeus: OgreMagi: You dont' use HTML in email.  No exceptions.

You

're joking, right.

FTFY

/Also, not to be a grammar nazi, but 46 should be 63.
 
2013-02-27 11:33:50 AM

Xcott: dr.zaeus: OgreMagi: You dont' use HTML in email.  No exceptions.

You

're joking, right.

HA!  I knew I should have previewed.  Nevermind.
 
2013-02-27 01:29:55 PM

dr.zaeus: OgreMagi: dr.zaeus: OgreMagi: Don't use tables for non-tabular data.


An important exception to this rule is HTML for email clients.

You dont' use HTML in email.  No exceptions.

You're joking, right.


I've found a top poster!  Get Him!
 
2013-02-27 01:47:59 PM

dr.zaeus: OgreMagi: dr.zaeus: OgreMagi: Don't use tables for non-tabular data.


An important exception to this rule is HTML for email clients.

You dont' use HTML in email.  No exceptions.

You're joking, right.


HTML E-mail is a total abomination... Plain text only... Keep the HTML on the web and off my SMTP server!
 
2013-02-27 04:43:00 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: I hereby dub this lunacy "Font Hulking."


Perfect!
 
2013-02-27 05:16:22 PM
They did close them. At the very end (lines ~106-110)
 
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