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(SFGate)   You get into an argument with a neighbor. Do you C) pull out an AK-47 and shoot up their house?   (sfgate.com) divider line 29
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wee [TotalFark]
2013-02-25 09:40:36 PM
5 votes:

sithon: Another responsible gun owner heard from.


The gun he used is illegal to own in CA. Even if it was semi-auto, a gun legal to own in most other states, it would have still been illegal to own in CA.  And if it's a semi-auto that he converted to full auto, he also violated Federal law by willfully violating the National Firearms Act of 1934 -- a crime that carries a max sentence of five years in Federal prison and a $250,000 fine -- as well as Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986. It's very likely he violated the Gun Control Act of 1986.

So how about go be an ignorant trollish dickhead somewhere else?
2013-02-25 09:05:00 PM
4 votes:
California clearly needs stronger gun control laws that people like this will completely disregard.
2013-02-25 09:42:06 PM
3 votes:
Not only would a full auto AK be a NFA weapon, and thus extremely expensive and difficult to own legally where state law doesn't prohibit them, California specifically outlaws them.  The war on guns is working just as well as the war on drugs.
2013-02-25 09:55:08 PM
2 votes:
Yeahhhh; it's almost like prohibition doesn't work in any form.

/ I always wonder why some people think that making a gun illegal will help keep said gun out of a criminal's mitts. It only effects people who try to legally own a gun.

// it doesn't work for marijuana; why do you think that it will work for guns?
2013-02-25 09:43:38 PM
2 votes:
"Criminals don't adhere to any laws,"

That's a pretty calous and blanket statement to make
I'm sure criminals follow all sorts of laws
Its not like they go around all day long willy nilly stealing, shooting, running red lights, pushing little old ladies down flights of stairs
They really wouldn't be able to function very well with cops chasing them around all the time
2013-02-25 08:38:01 PM
2 votes:
Its been my opinion that if you want to own a full auto machine gun , you shouldn't
own one .
2013-02-25 08:37:58 PM
2 votes:
An armed society is a polite society.
2013-02-26 03:55:50 PM
1 votes:

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Real Women Drink Akvavit: None of the amendments you mentioned have the potential to kill when placed in the hands of a blithering idiot.

Think that one over a bit and get back to me, would you?

What kind of whargarbl did I just read? It's farkin' LIBYA. Restricting our first amendment rights is not going to make them behave. The first amendment was not designed to kill, guns are. Is that really that difficult of a concept?


So what you're saying is that his speech didn't directly cause the deaths of people? I only ask because you said that speech does not "have the potential to kill when placed in the hands of a blithering idiot". Except, of course, when it does.

Whargarrbl indeed.
2013-02-26 08:25:13 AM
1 votes:
Y'all lay off the NRA. They are just like the ACLU.

The NRA and the ACLU are both necessary evils in our society.

The NRA defends the rights of law-abiding gun owners and the ACLU defends the rights of illegal aliens, drug dealers and child pornographers.
2013-02-26 12:26:24 AM
1 votes:
I'll support any gun control laws that apply equally to those in law enforcement. So if the police can't have it, you can't have it. If the police need it for protecting their lives, then your life is just as deserving of the same protection. If the 2nd amendment was reworded to "No restriction upon the right of citizens to keep and bear arms shall exceed those restrictions placed upon those engaged in the act of law enforcement." then I would have no problem registering my gun.
2013-02-25 11:56:48 PM
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: sendtodave: Granted, America has a fairly high tolerance for whackos.

Yes, America does. There aren't all that many people that don't have some whackadoodle idea, and thanks to the First Amendment and the anonymity of the Internet they are free to express them at will.


art.penny-arcade.com

So, like this, but replace "Anonymity" with "Freedom of Speech?"

Hm.  Seems legit.
2013-02-25 11:50:51 PM
1 votes:

Real Women Drink Akvavit: None of the amendments you mentioned have the potential to kill when placed in the hands of a blithering idiot.


Think that one over a bit and get back to me, would you?
2013-02-25 11:48:31 PM
1 votes:

sendtodave: Granted, America has a fairly high tolerance for whackos.


Yes, America does. There aren't all that many people that don't have some whackadoodle idea, and thanks to the First Amendment and the anonymity of the Internet they are free to express them at will.
2013-02-25 11:40:32 PM
1 votes:

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Speech is not designed to kill. Being protected against unreasonable search and seizure is not designed to injure or kill. The right to not incriminate yourself - which if you invoke, you pretty much are incriminating yourself in the eyes of many - is not designed to blast the crap outta everything you point it at. None of the amendments you mentioned have the potential to kill when placed in the hands of a blithering idiot.

I do not subscribe to the "but it's a RIGHT, so everyone, everywhere, forever gets it" POV when it comes to the second amendment. That misguided POV about the second amendment applies just as much as those who are unsafe, irresponsible gun owners as it does to ex-felons or crazy people who want that right. In other words, it is not absolute (to use your term) because we do restrict that right for the better of the society as a whole. Trying to make it absolute is nothing more than absolute insanity.


In other words, some rights are more equal than others.
2013-02-25 11:24:59 PM
1 votes:

pedrop357: I mean the 13th isn't absolute, so surely we can have some slavery, just not full time forever slavery, right?


Sure, it's called "minimum wage."

Typically part time slavery, with no health benefits.
2013-02-25 11:22:18 PM
1 votes:

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Flappyhead: Well I hope you enjoyed your membership with the NRA.  Wayne LaPierre will be along shortly to burn your card and scrape off your tattoo.

I ditched my NRA membership back in the 90's. They've been total nutjobs for a while now and getting progressively worse. I waited a bit longer than some to ditch 'em. I kept hoping they'd just go back to offering courses and rallying around the second amendment after finding some balance in their positions, but they didn't. They got so crazy I couldn't support them in good conscience.


In other words, they were too dedicated to fighting for rights instead of being pragmatic and helping convert rights into privileges?  Good.  It's why I'm a life member of the NRA and GOA.

The ACLU is actually more zealous about the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments than the NRA is about the 2nd.

Should we have balance in the positions of groups that are anti-slavery?  I mean the 13th isn't absolute, so surely we can have some slavery, just not full time forever slavery, right?
2013-02-25 10:23:43 PM
1 votes:
I gotta say--SFist wins the net for their graphic to go with this story--it's either laziness or genius, or some combination thereof:

sfist.com
2013-02-25 10:13:23 PM
1 votes:
I wonder how long it takes before this fully automatic AK47 transforms into a semiautomatic SKS or something similar.
2013-02-25 10:01:53 PM
1 votes:

fanbladesaresharp: skullkrusher: when will we outlaw automatic weapons and stop this madness?

I drive an automatic and it can be used as a weapon. What say you?


you should be a man and drive stick?
2013-02-25 09:56:49 PM
1 votes:

frankencj: Oznog: Damn media bias.  The proper term is "Exercised his Second Amendment rights on his neighbor's house".

You know what he did is one of the restrictions to the 2nd people keep forgetting about.


Who has forgotten about it? Just because there are a buttload of restrictions that we're OK with doesn't mean we're not going to fight the ones we're NOT OK with.
2013-02-25 09:33:53 PM
1 votes:

Tio_Holtzmann: AFAIK its perfectly legal to own full auto weapons if you pay the tax stamp.


you need permission from the Treasury department IIRC
2013-02-25 09:32:35 PM
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nope. And he didn't either.


Wait, what the hell? He did it with a real AK-47? I just assumed that a criminal would be abiding by the laws of the city and state he lives in.
2013-02-25 09:31:15 PM
1 votes:
This is why a bullet should cost FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS!
2013-02-25 08:38:41 PM
1 votes:
not with today's ammo prices
2013-02-25 08:34:30 PM
1 votes:
Another responsible gun owner heard from.
MBK [TotalFark]
2013-02-25 08:25:06 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

Dear Diary,

Today wasn't a good day....
2013-02-25 08:11:56 PM
1 votes:
"Criminals don't adhere to any laws," Esparza said. "That's why they are criminals."


If there's one thing I've learned, it's that litterers and speeders and people that rip tags from mattresses are only waiting for the opportunity to murder someone.
2013-02-25 08:11:07 PM
1 votes:
I don't want to do a gun thread again today.
2013-02-25 08:07:05 PM
1 votes:
If that house had been allowed to carry a firearm this never would have happened!

/amidoinitrite?
 
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