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2013-02-25 09:55:08 PM
Yeahhhh; it's almost like prohibition doesn't work in any form.

/ I always wonder why some people think that making a gun illegal will help keep said gun out of a criminal's mitts. It only effects people who try to legally own a gun.

// it doesn't work for marijuana; why do you think that it will work for guns?
 
2013-02-25 09:55:57 PM

skullkrusher: when will we outlaw automatic weapons and stop this madness?


I drive an automatic and it can be used as a weapon. What say you?
 
2013-02-25 09:56:49 PM

frankencj: Oznog: Damn media bias.  The proper term is "Exercised his Second Amendment rights on his neighbor's house".

You know what he did is one of the restrictions to the 2nd people keep forgetting about.


Who has forgotten about it? Just because there are a buttload of restrictions that we're OK with doesn't mean we're not going to fight the ones we're NOT OK with.
 
2013-02-25 09:56:49 PM
When this sort of stuff happens happens in Oakland the reaction from SF is "OMG look at all the violent blacks in Oakland!!"  When it happens in SF, the reaction is "OMG, we need federal gun control!"  Just a pet peeve as an Oaklander.
 
2013-02-25 09:57:23 PM

Rambino: AK-47?

No, I'm pretty sure it must have been an AR-15.


Either way, given that fully automatic weapons are the most dangerous thing that has ever existed evar, it's no surprise that he killed his neighbor, his wife, their dogs, and 246 other women and children.

/oh, wait
 
2013-02-25 09:58:46 PM

enry: ArkAngel: [blog.robballen.com image 400x600]

/obligatory

[citation needed]


If you read enough of the "breaking news" stories on gun violence, and you know something about guns, you'll quickly notice that journalists don't have a freaking clue as to what they're talking about.  The graphic was done by Robb Allen. In fact people hot-link to his blog.  Robb's a gun gun.  Pretty funny, too.

Off the top of my head here's some of the notable gun errors I've seen:

- Goofball college kid enters campus with a Wolf .50 caliber muzzle loader, news stories feature a Barrett M82A1 .50BMG rifle as the graphic.

- '40mm Glock service revolver' comes up fairly often.  Despite it being a .40 caliber (not 40 mm, that's a 1.75" wide bullet) and not a revolver.

- I've actually seen a story go from an idiot shooting his kid's football coach with an AK-47 end up being a .45 caliber pistol by the end of the day.  That one was funny because a co-worker found the story as it broke, I scoffed at the "AK" claim, and before work was out the story was down to a pistol.

And, despite this story saying it was a fully automatic AK, I doubt it really was.  Wouldn't be surprised if ends up just being an old SKS or something.  Police don't generally know much about guns.  Hell, I've seen video of an ATF field agent test firing a gun he declared a machine gun (it wasn't, it was just malfunctioning with soft primered ammo, unsafely at that) and the field agent couldn't even field strip the gun.  The defense's expert witness had to do it and showed him the decayed 15 cent spring that was leading to the malfunction.  Dumb thing was slamfiring, that's all.
 
wee [TotalFark]
2013-02-25 10:00:24 PM

rich_mitch: When this sort of stuff happens happens in Oakland the reaction from SF is "OMG look at all the violent blacks in Oakland!!"  When it happens in SF, the reaction is "OMG, we need federal gun control!"  Just a pet peeve as an Oaklander.


I have a lot of friends in Oakland (and a couple good memories of the Jingletown Market).  I also worked in the City for a while.  So yes, this is true.
 
2013-02-25 10:00:57 PM
The Fillmore district still has its share of assholes.

I don't know what I hate worse- thugs with guns, or gentrifying yuppies who price everyone who isn't rich out of the city.
 
2013-02-25 10:01:53 PM

fanbladesaresharp: skullkrusher: when will we outlaw automatic weapons and stop this madness?

I drive an automatic and it can be used as a weapon. What say you?


you should be a man and drive stick?
 
2013-02-25 10:02:59 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: frankencj: Oznog: Damn media bias.  The proper term is "Exercised his Second Amendment rights on his neighbor's house".

You know what he did is one of the restrictions to the 2nd people keep forgetting about.

Who has forgotten about it? Just because there are a buttload of restrictions that we're OK with doesn't mean we're not going to fight the ones we're NOT OK with.



And a good fight it is...wish we did not have to do this every 10 years or so.  I wish folks would realize that there are plenty of laws now and that the 2nd is heavily regulated...and taxed per firearm and ammo.
 
2013-02-25 10:03:48 PM
This is basically the whole point of owning guns in this day and age.

How is the average gun owing husband supposed to sleep with his wife if he can't hold the threat of imminent death over her head?  How is he supposed to get his teenage kids to take out the trash?  Or, relate to a neighbor?

I don't really want to know the answer to this but - you guys do have the gun in your mouth while you jerk off, right?
 
2013-02-25 10:04:41 PM
It is illegal to possess a fully automatic AK-47. "Criminals don't adhere to any laws," Esparza said. "That's why they are criminals."
 
2013-02-25 10:05:19 PM

Big Dave: This is basically the whole point of owning guns in this day and age.

How is the average gun owing husband supposed to sleep with his wife if he can't hold the threat of imminent death over her head?  How is he supposed to get his teenage kids to take out the trash?  Or, relate to a neighbor?

I don't really want to know the answer to this but - you guys do have the gun in your mouth while you jerk off, right?


No, it's in your wife's mouth while we tag her.

Troll. Idiot. Retard.
 
2013-02-25 10:06:05 PM
*I'm ok with this* img
 
2013-02-25 10:07:52 PM
Isn't that how some subsets of successful and attractive blah types usually solve things?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMDur9CDZ4

Argue with neighbors get in their face....they didn't earn that, take your fair share.
 
2013-02-25 10:09:15 PM

jbuist: Robb's a gun gun


You said gun twice.
 
2013-02-25 10:12:34 PM
Common sense is missing in this thread. The gun was illegally converted in a state where it was probably illegal to begin with in its original form (not "Californianized"). We need more laws to ban activity like this because the current laws, well, aren't lawfully enough or something.

//sigh
 
2013-02-25 10:13:20 PM
i306.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-25 10:13:23 PM
I wonder how long it takes before this fully automatic AK47 transforms into a semiautomatic SKS or something similar.
 
2013-02-25 10:13:54 PM

Glenechocreek: The Fillmore district still has its share of assholes.

I don't know what I hate worse- thugs with guns, or gentrifying yuppies who price everyone who isn't rich out of the city.


I'd bet that living in a thugs with guns neighborhood would help you to make that decision quickly.
 
2013-02-25 10:15:46 PM

RabidJade: Common sense is missing in this thread. The gun was illegally converted in a state where it was probably illegal to begin with in its original form (not "Californianized"). We need more laws to ban activity like this because the current laws, well, aren't lawfully enough or something.

//sigh


Nah, neighbour should have just pulled out his AR-15, that's how Real 'MuricansTMhandle things.

/kidding
//sadly there are people who subscribe to this line of thought though
 
wee [TotalFark]
2013-02-25 10:15:47 PM

ReapTheChaos: It is illegal to possess a fully automatic AK-47


No it isn't.  A friend owns one.  I own a fully-automatic weapon.  They're not illegal at all unless your state prohibits them.  You just have to get a stamp from the BATFE saying you paid the tax to transfer the weapon from the dealer to you.

But in order to get that stamp, you have to pass a local background check (pics and prints, takes maybe 2-3 months or never), then send another set of photos and prints along with $200 into the BATFE for a Federal background check (FBI, INTERPOL, etc; takes around 9 months). Once they say you're an upstanding citizen, they send a letter back to the dealer.  Then you give that dealer a ridiculous amount of money and pick up your gun.

In general, it's hideously expensive and generally a pain in the ass.  But once someone has that stamp, you can be fairly well assured that the person hasn't so much as been in a car accident, because they can and will deny for almost anything.
 
2013-02-25 10:16:05 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: SpdrJay: This is why a bullet should cost FIVE THOUSANDONE MILLION DOLLARS!

[www.cinemaretro.com image 468x537]

/ftfy


Seriously?

OK on your FANTASY ISLAND !

/Ricoardo
//hey your so fine
///Obscure
 
2013-02-25 10:16:13 PM

ArkAngel: [blog.robballen.com image 400x600]

/obligatory


Wrong sir third one down on left column is an anti-aircraft weapon.
 
2013-02-25 10:16:24 PM
Ban houses?
 
2013-02-25 10:22:29 PM
Long term, incidents like this are only good news for ONE group:

i.imgur.com


When only criminals have guns, wild pigs will rule the land
 
2013-02-25 10:23:43 PM
I gotta say--SFist wins the net for their graphic to go with this story--it's either laziness or genius, or some combination thereof:

sfist.com
 
2013-02-25 10:25:35 PM
Sometimes you just need to make things quadruple illegal.
 
2013-02-25 10:25:41 PM

RabidJade: Common sense is missing in this thread. The gun was illegally converted in a state where it was probably illegal to begin with in its original form (not "Californianized"). We need more laws to ban activity like this because the current laws, well, aren't lawfully enough or something.


Right, I mean when crimes occur, the reasonable thing to do is just sit back and let them keep happening. After all, when something doesn't work you should just keep doing it -- because that's "common sense."
 
2013-02-25 10:26:08 PM
Oh Boy! Another gun thread!

This has got to be better than arguing with Nancy-boys who think writing BASIC programs on a Rasberry Pi with a gayboard is the same as crafting brilliant sketches on an Arduino.
 
2013-02-25 10:27:15 PM

Bontesla: I don't want to do a gun thread again today.


Then don't. I'm sure there will be other to take up the slack.

/you just did another gun thread
 
2013-02-25 10:28:00 PM

violentsalvation: California clearly needs stronger gun control laws that people like this will completely disregard.


Actually, we do. I've seen too many dumbfarks up at the range that never should have been able to pass the HSC. That thing is too easy. Even our CCW testing here is easy.

Criminals will always get guns from other criminals. We can, and should, take steps to make sure that there are less weapons for them to steal and resell to their criminal buddies. The best way to do that is to make sure that we put hopelessly stupid or careless people in the same "no guns for you!" category that we try to keep crazy people.

Mandatory training classes, then mandatory testing should be beefed up and required for ANY firearm, with repeat tests every few years, just like we do for cars. Very strict fines and loss of the weapon if someone loans an unlicensed person their weapon, even if the borrower does not commit a crime. Prison time for the loaner if they do, equal to the same amount their criminal buddy has to do. Loss of weapons for storing them unsecured or in such a manner they are easily stolen. Must have a firearms license to purchase ammo. None of these things would bother me one bit. The only thing that would change for me is I'd have to show a license to get ammo, something I don't think any state requires right now.

In my wildest dreams people with a CCW are legally permitted to take weapons from idiots who obviously have no business with them and beat them with their own weapon. Might knock sense into them and I'd totally keep it if allowed. If nothing else, there'd be one less dumbfark with a gun.

/non-nutty gun nut
 
2013-02-25 10:30:31 PM

BravadoGT: I gotta say--SFist wins the net for their graphic to go with this story--it's either laziness or genius, or some combination thereof:


That is beautiful.
 
2013-02-25 10:37:11 PM

MrEricSir: RabidJade: Common sense is missing in this thread. The gun was illegally converted in a state where it was probably illegal to begin with in its original form (not "Californianized"). We need more laws to ban activity like this because the current laws, well, aren't lawfully enough or something.

Right, I mean when crimes occur, the reasonable thing to do is just sit back and let them keep happening. After all, when something doesn't work you should just keep doing it -- because that's "common sense."


So make it even more illegal than it currently is?
 
2013-02-25 10:43:33 PM

jbuist: - I've actually seen a story go from an idiot shooting his kid's football coach with an AK-47 end up being a .45 caliber pistol by the end of the day.  That one was funny because a co-worker found the story as it broke, I scoffed at the "AK" claim, and before work was out the story was down to a pistol.


I bet the coach was happy to hear he was shot with "only" a .45 instead of an AK47.
 
2013-02-25 10:44:15 PM
The house clearly threatened him by acting like it had a gun, so he was completely within his Second Amendment rights
 
2013-02-25 10:47:32 PM
Esparza said he did not know exactly what charges Benton could face, but noted that it is illegal to possess a fully automatic AK-47.
"Criminals don't adhere to any laws," Esparza said. "That's why they are criminals."


But when they break the laws, you can arrest them, fine them, execute them, or whatever.
That's why there are laws.
 
2013-02-25 10:54:21 PM

cretinbob: The house clearly threatened him by acting like it had a gun, so he was completely within his Second Amendment rights


Not in California, he wasn't! He has to try to retreat to safety. If the house gives chase, THEN he can shoot it. Dude should have just waited for an earthquake or, if it's on a hill, a heavy rain. Then he could have yelled "It's comin' right for me!!!" when it started moving and blasted the crap outta it.
 
2013-02-25 10:56:50 PM

CruiserTwelve: I bet the coach was happy to hear he was shot with "only" a .45 instead of an AK47.


Well, yeah, probably.  He lived.  Pistol rounds aren't all that deadly when compared to even intermediate rounds like the 7.62x39 that the AK-47 clones fire.  Not all gunshot wounds are equal.  Pistol rounds basically push through you but don't cause much damage outside their path.  The intermediate rifle rounds start making gel out of things near the bullet path due to hydrostatic shock.  Actual "full power" rifle rounds like 30-06, .270 Win, and 8mm Mauser (among many others) do a whole lot more damage due to their speed.
 
2013-02-25 10:57:15 PM
Why do you hate the 2nd amendment, subby?
 
2013-02-25 11:02:01 PM
What an amazing display of freedom.
 
2013-02-25 11:04:26 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: violentsalvation: California clearly needs stronger gun control laws that people like this will completely disregard.

Actually, we do. I've seen too many dumbfarks up at the range that never should have been able to pass the HSC. That thing is too easy. Even our CCW testing here is easy.

Criminals will always get guns from other criminals. We can, and should, take steps to make sure that there are less weapons for them to steal and resell to their criminal buddies. The best way to do that is to make sure that we put hopelessly stupid or careless people in the same "no guns for you!" category that we try to keep crazy people.

Mandatory training classes, then mandatory testing should be beefed up and required for ANY firearm, with repeat tests every few years, just like we do for cars. Very strict fines and loss of the weapon if someone loans an unlicensed person their weapon, even if the borrower does not commit a crime. Prison time for the loaner if they do, equal to the same amount their criminal buddy has to do. Loss of weapons for storing them unsecured or in such a manner they are easily stolen. Must have a firearms license to purchase ammo. None of these things would bother me one bit. The only thing that would change for me is I'd have to show a license to get ammo, something I don't think any state requires right now.

In my wildest dreams people with a CCW are legally permitted to take weapons from idiots who obviously have no business with them and beat them with their own weapon. Might knock sense into them and I'd totally keep it if allowed. If nothing else, there'd be one less dumbfark with a gun.

/non-nutty gun nut


Well I hope you enjoyed your membership with the NRA.  Wayne LaPierre will be along shortly to burn your card and scrape off your tattoo.
 
2013-02-25 11:07:25 PM
He was just standing his ground.
 
2013-02-25 11:07:59 PM

Tio_Holtzmann: AFAIK its perfectly legal to own full auto weapons if you pay the tax stamp.


Not in California.
 
2013-02-25 11:13:42 PM
Worth pointing out that the only legal AK-47 automatic rifles are pre 1968 (sporting requirement effectively banned importing NFA weapons), and converted semi-auto variants prior to 1986.  Either way, they're not cheap and definitely not something you'll find at every gun store.
 
2013-02-25 11:16:21 PM
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sub orbital ion cannon
 
2013-02-25 11:18:05 PM

Flappyhead: Well I hope you enjoyed your membership with the NRA.  Wayne LaPierre will be along shortly to burn your card and scrape off your tattoo.


I ditched my NRA membership back in the 90's. They've been total nutjobs for a while now and getting progressively worse. I waited a bit longer than some to ditch 'em. I kept hoping they'd just go back to offering courses and rallying around the second amendment after finding some balance in their positions, but they didn't. They got so crazy I couldn't support them in good conscience.
 
2013-02-25 11:19:45 PM

SuperDuper28: I only use my AK for hunting rabid deer. People like this give gun owners a bad name.


Yes.  Yes they do.

How many rotten apples spoil the bunch?

How many mouse turds ruin a pot of porridge?

How many gun whackos before we say "OK, that's enough now."

Granted, America has a fairly high tolerance for whackos.
 
2013-02-25 11:21:08 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Flappyhead: Well I hope you enjoyed your membership with the NRA.  Wayne LaPierre will be along shortly to burn your card and scrape off your tattoo.

I ditched my NRA membership back in the 90's. They've been total nutjobs for a while now and getting progressively worse. I waited a bit longer than some to ditch 'em. I kept hoping they'd just go back to offering courses and rallying around the second amendment after finding some balance in their positions, but they didn't. They got so crazy I couldn't support them in good conscience.


NRA member is already in the hands of the feds, and those nuts will be the first to have their guns confiscated. Because they're nuts, and shouldn't have guns. Because they're nuts.
 
2013-02-25 11:22:18 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Flappyhead: Well I hope you enjoyed your membership with the NRA.  Wayne LaPierre will be along shortly to burn your card and scrape off your tattoo.

I ditched my NRA membership back in the 90's. They've been total nutjobs for a while now and getting progressively worse. I waited a bit longer than some to ditch 'em. I kept hoping they'd just go back to offering courses and rallying around the second amendment after finding some balance in their positions, but they didn't. They got so crazy I couldn't support them in good conscience.


In other words, they were too dedicated to fighting for rights instead of being pragmatic and helping convert rights into privileges?  Good.  It's why I'm a life member of the NRA and GOA.

The ACLU is actually more zealous about the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments than the NRA is about the 2nd.

Should we have balance in the positions of groups that are anti-slavery?  I mean the 13th isn't absolute, so surely we can have some slavery, just not full time forever slavery, right?
 
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