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2013-02-26 12:49:55 AM

Theaetetus: IgG4: She sounds like a trouble maker to me... Sounds like trouble to me.

Who even repeats themselves this way? Someone frothing with ragpe.


Hands up everybody else who misread it this way.
 
2013-02-26 12:50:06 AM
That's a rather rough way to get a full scholarship.
 
2013-02-26 12:50:06 AM

Genevieve Marie: Thunderpipes: Rape is bad. Dude does it, he needs his ass kicked hard and thrown in jail. Everyone should agree on that. But there needs to be heavy laws in place to protect guys too. The Duke case was a spectacular example of how lopsided the justice system is against men.

You're probably not even worth responding to, but disgusting and obnoxious misogyny aside, do you not realize how insanely stupid it is to use a case that got thrown out and where the prosecutor was disbarred and all the men were exonerated as an example of how unfair the justice system is to men?


Absolutely. You think this had no effect on the Duke players? Their lives were permanently screwed up. The entire nation wanted their heads on a plate because of the BS. kids arrested, death threats, whole locrosse team shut down, I mean, you think that is all okay? One made up story crushed a whole bunch of people. Even the coach was forced to resign. If that is not a perfect case to use, what it?

Misogyny? Really? Make you feel smart, Cupcake?
 
2013-02-26 12:50:27 AM
skullkrusher:
umm... huh?
You're saying stuff but it's not making any sense.
You're stomping your feet claiming to know what the story is about and exhorting me to pay attention. Yeah, I'm paying attention. Read a few articles on it even. It is complicated yet you are getting all bothered by the fact that I am not focusing solely on one aspect of it. Sorry dude, talk to someone else then


oo, good call.  denial is always a good choice.  and making it all about you?   that's like...bonus round!  anything to avoid talking about how badly the university handled this situation, right?  'cause if I were to somehow bring the focus back onto that subject, you'd be screwed, right?
 
2013-02-26 12:50:41 AM

Popular Opinion: The 4chan Psychiatrist: Popular Opinion: Philbb: Theaetetus: You're right, most men do not have to be told not to rape, and the few who do won't listen, because they You're right, most men do not have to be told not to rape, and the few who do won't listen, because they know exactly what the fark they're doing.

I disagree. From what I have learned from researching and listening to rapists, the majority of them do not believe that anything they did was wrong. It was the victims fault. Including a few comments from child rapists along the lines of, "Okay, so she's six years old, but she seduced me. If she hadn't come on to me like that I wouldn't have done anything."

probably too stupid to not be trolling

Eh, I've been present at a few court evals for alleged child rapists.  One guy basically said the same thing.  Granted, we ordered testing because he seemed to be severely mentally impaired, but that kind of incredibly naive and utterly ridiculous thinking is not outside the realm of possibility as I have seen it before.

On the flip side, I have seen many, many patients falsely accuse people of raping them, sometimes due to psychotic, delusional thinking, and other times as attention-seeking behavior consistent with their psychopathology.  I have also seen patients who were legitimately raped, and it breaks your heart to see the damage that it can do to some people.

these personality types are not exactly beacons of truth.
also, research aside, the "typical college rapist" is a student who probably gets away with it 90% of the time, due to the intoxicated state of their victims, so i doubt you have actually been "interviewing" or studying the types of predators we are talking about (in this case).


I was responding to "the few who do won't listen" which has next to nothing to do with "the 'typical college rapist'".

I was just pointing out that the comment that guys who do need to be told won't listen "because they know exactly what the fark they're doing. " was too broad. That there are many who really believe that they are the victims and it's "her" fault because "she" was asking for it.
 
2013-02-26 12:50:58 AM

evaned: So what do you do? If you take my I'm-not-actually-sure-how-strawman-this-is position, then most rapists walk. If you side with the accuser, you (according to that position) are depriving the defendant of his civil rights and not giving him a fair trial.

Now, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there's more physical evidence than I'd assume; if so, perhaps the fact that this isn't public knowledge is part of the problem. But if not.... it seems like a very thorny scenario.


In a criminal case, this is exactly why a lot of rapists walk. However? This isn't a criminal case at this point. This girl is participating in a civil case against the school. Totally different standard of proof.

No one's freedom is at stake, and people don't have an inalienable right to a good reputation.
 
2013-02-26 12:51:15 AM

JohnnyRebel88: True Story:
 My good friend that has the utmost credibility to me and others, and is a pussy, was accused of rape.  The police did not follow through with the charges.  She had cheated on her boyfriend with my friend, whom I believed he hated.  Women wanna get f*d sometimes because they are whores, drunks and liars.  This woman has no reason to do this if she was leading to his name, which I am sure she was doing, also is it not considered to be defamation as to the school's credibility.  Unless this is a Sandusky type case, she should shut the f up and get help elsewhere.

This could of been personal, she also might of threatened the school.  No info, no reason to be up in arms.



Pretty much this.

/how soon people forget the story posted just a couple days ago of the guy paying child support to a woman who cheated on him while he was deployed.. and one of the excuses she pulled out of her ass was that she was raped
//or the story of Crystal Mangum or Katelyn Faber ... or Desiree Washington
// a charge of rape should never be a conviction of rape all by itself
 
2013-02-26 12:51:16 AM

China White Tea: HoratioGates: IgG4: Are you drunk? Look if you get raped you go to the  cops and press charges then you let the DA take it from there. You don't file a complaint with the US Dept of Ed Office of Civil Rights. When you do that you look like an activist with an axe to grind, which in this case I think she probably is. How that makes me a psychopath I have no idea.

That's not how campus law works.  There is a 'legal' system in place and most campus issues are resolved there.  It's like binding arbitration, only with more rape.

Is this actually the case?  Sure, they have their "Honor Court", but I'm pretty sure they can't actually deny anyone who has the good sense to blow off some shiatheels looking for resume fluff and bring in the professionals.


Most universities have their own campus cops.  They're the first cops that a victim will turn to because a) they're handy and b) the victim knows and trusts them.  Their main job is to  steer victims into the campus "justice" system.  Universities hammer into students' heads that these "resources" are all students need.

I guarantee you these women had conversations something like this:

"Hello, campus cop!  I want to report a rape."

"Well, honey, I'm here for you... go ahead."

"No, I wanna report it to the city police!"

"You don't want to do that.  Them rape exams suck.  It will take months. Defense attorney will drag you through the mud.  We can handle this faster and make it much easier on you. We don't even have to tell your parents!"
 
2013-02-26 12:51:22 AM

pudding7: Weaver95: bigwf2007: So has anyone actually been convicted of or even criminally charged with rape in this case?

the article doesn't make that point clear...but this isn't about the rape case.  this is about how the school handled allegations of rape, which was to apparently cover it up and pretend it doesn't happen on campus.

How could the school cover it up when the police were notified and a report was filed?


Actually, as someone later pointed oout to me there's a link in this article that says she chose to go to honor court rather than the police because it would be quicker and less complicated. So the answer is no, no one was ever charged with a crime.
 
2013-02-26 12:51:55 AM
Thunderpipes:
Misogyny? Really? Make you feel smart, Cupcake?

I'll bet you lick the screen when you play Civilization V.

the snozzberries taste like snozzberries!
 
2013-02-26 12:51:57 AM

Weaver95: skullkrusher: Weaver95: here, pay attention because this is the important part - it's not the rape plague that is the problem (although that's pretty bad in and of itself), the problem is that the schools policy for handling rape victims is really, horribly bad. terrible, in fact. horrific. they pretended nothing was wrong. assumed the victim was lying, expected her to prove rape TO THEM. not to a court. not to the cops. she had to prove rape...to the school. on her own, with no lawyer or process in place to assure her anything would be done. And she - and other women who went through the same thing - thought the school could do things better.

of course they expected her to prove rape to them. How else would it work? Expel the guy on an accusation?

woman: 'I was raped. I reported it, the cops are investigating and i'm in therapy.  can ya cut me some slack?  at least 'till the stitches heal?'

university proper response: 'sure, how about we talk to your professors and see what you and your therapist can come up with to get you back on track.'
university actual response: 'meh, not our problem. man up and walk it off cookie.  oh, and stop dressing slutty. now pay yer tuition and STFU ok?  thanks!'

see the difference?  one is a human response, the other is corporate.


But corporations are people, too...
 
2013-02-26 12:52:41 AM

bigwf2007: pudding7: Weaver95: bigwf2007: So has anyone actually been convicted of or even criminally charged with rape in this case?

the article doesn't make that point clear...but this isn't about the rape case.  this is about how the school handled allegations of rape, which was to apparently cover it up and pretend it doesn't happen on campus.

How could the school cover it up when the police were notified and a report was filed?

Actually, as someone later pointed oout to me there's a link in this article that says she chose to go to honor court rather than the police because it would be quicker and less complicated. So the answer is no, no one was ever charged with a crime.


Quicker and less complicated?  Really?

So shiat didn't go her way, now she gets to defame this dude forever.  What the fk ever.
 
2013-02-26 12:52:46 AM

Genevieve Marie: Kaenneth: I know that women lie. Had a girl accuse me of 'undressing her with my eyes' in high school. No clue who she was, and I wasn't, because I'm gay.

So one woman, one time, misread the way you were looking at her and accused you of doing something rude but legal and your conclusion from this one relatively harmless interaction with one member of the gender that makes up half the human race is "Women are psycho liars who should be locked in camps"?

Sounds legit.


I don't know why, but I've noticed that for some reason some gay men make for the worst misogynists.  I mean, most gay men are fine and you usually get a lot of support for women from the lbgtq community, but you every once in a while run into these crazy gay men who just have a NUCLEAR hatred of women, all women.

I have no idea why, and since this is merely personal observation it has no scientific credibility.  I have to wonder, though, if maybe it's about time someone did a study or something.
 
2013-02-26 12:53:31 AM

Thunderpipes: Genevieve Marie: Thunderpipes: Rape is bad. Dude does it, he needs his ass kicked hard and thrown in jail. Everyone should agree on that. But there needs to be heavy laws in place to protect guys too. The Duke case was a spectacular example of how lopsided the justice system is against men.

You're probably not even worth responding to, but disgusting and obnoxious misogyny aside, do you not realize how insanely stupid it is to use a case that got thrown out and where the prosecutor was disbarred and all the men were exonerated as an example of how unfair the justice system is to men?

Absolutely. You think this had no effect on the Duke players? Their lives were permanently screwed up. The entire nation wanted their heads on a plate because of the BS. kids arrested, death threats, whole locrosse team shut down, I mean, you think that is all okay? One made up story crushed a whole bunch of people. Even the coach was forced to resign. If that is not a perfect case to use, what it?

Misogyny? Really? Make you feel smart, Cupcake?


Their lives were permanently ruined? Yea, about that, buttercup.... http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4980370
 
2013-02-26 12:53:45 AM

BarkingUnicorn: China White Tea: HoratioGates: IgG4: Are you drunk? Look if you get raped you go to the  cops and press charges then you let the DA take it from there. You don't file a complaint with the US Dept of Ed Office of Civil Rights. When you do that you look like an activist with an axe to grind, which in this case I think she probably is. How that makes me a psychopath I have no idea.

That's not how campus law works.  There is a 'legal' system in place and most campus issues are resolved there.  It's like binding arbitration, only with more rape.

Is this actually the case?  Sure, they have their "Honor Court", but I'm pretty sure they can't actually deny anyone who has the good sense to blow off some shiatheels looking for resume fluff and bring in the professionals.

Most universities have their own campus cops.  They're the first cops that a victim will turn to because a) they're handy and b) the victim knows and trusts them.  Their main job is to  steer victims into the campus "justice" system.  Universities hammer into students' heads that these "resources" are all students need.

I guarantee you these women had conversations something like this:

"Hello, campus cop!  I want to report a rape."

"Well, honey, I'm here for you... go ahead."

"No, I wanna report it to the city police!"

"You don't want to do that.  Them rape exams suck.  It will take months. Defense attorney will drag you through the mud.  We can handle this faster and make it much easier on you. We don't even have to tell your parents!"


In that scenario, what does "we can handle this" mean to both parties?  What does "justice" look like to the victim in this hypothetical where the real cops aren't involved?
 
2013-02-26 12:53:47 AM

debug: alleged rapist


Thank you!!!  I didn't want to be the douchebag to bring this up...

/+1 for you
 
2013-02-26 12:54:42 AM

Genevieve Marie: The honor court does nothing, because they're a group of students who can't do rape kits, can't question witnesses, can't explore motives, and can't say one way or the other whether something happened or not?

And because malicious gossip tends to not be a violation of college honor codes? (If it was. most of the greek systems would have been dismantled long ago)

The honor court is a group of students. It was the university who chose to give them this authority and chose to allow them to execute this decision. It should be VERY clear that a student participating in a case against the university should not be considered in violation of the honor code for choosing to do so.


I completely agree that she should not be in violation of the honor code for making a case against the university and if their charges against her are in retaliation, that's absolutely indefensible. However, if their charges against her are because she is effectively continuing to accuse this guy of rape, then I see that angle as well. As I've said, it's pretty complex and she seems to have gotten some seriously poor treatment at the hands of the school but I really don't think it is black and white - in part because of the hypothetical which is effectively identical to the real situation in the eyes of the "honor court".

I had a friend of mine in college brought before a tribunal for an alleged attack. It's a bullshiat kangaroo court. He went through weeks of hell before finally being exonerated. His investigation wasn't a secret either although it officially was.
 
2013-02-26 12:54:47 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: So shiat didn't go her way, now she gets to defame this dude forever. What the fk ever.


It's only defamation if you believe she was lying. As there is no evidence that this is the case, I have to believe you're basing  this assertion on your own biases.
 
2013-02-26 12:54:55 AM

Weaver95: skullkrusher:
She availed herself of the "honor court" option.

..because she had no choice...she didn't like that and wanted another option.  she was told 'honor court or nothing' and to STFU about it, not to mention it to the press and get over it.

not to mention that the 'court' was run by ill trained fellow students who did a sloppy job and might very well have let their own bias decide the 'case'.  no appeals either, and don't talk about it to the press or you can kiss your degree goodbye.


Um, not exactly.  She chose Honor Court because was persuaded that it would be easier and faster.

FOR US TO POOP ON YOU!

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2013-02-26 12:55:00 AM

bigwf2007: pudding7: Weaver95: bigwf2007: So has anyone actually been convicted of or even criminally charged with rape in this case?

the article doesn't make that point clear...but this isn't about the rape case.  this is about how the school handled allegations of rape, which was to apparently cover it up and pretend it doesn't happen on campus.

How could the school cover it up when the police were notified and a report was filed?

Actually, as someone later pointed oout to me there's a link in this article that says she chose to go to honor court rather than the police because it would be quicker and less complicated. So the answer is no, no one was ever charged with a crime.


Quicker and less complicated to do what?  Send the guy to prison?  Oh wait, she doesn't know who did it, so what exactly was she hoping the Honor Court would do more quickly and with fewer complications?
 
2013-02-26 12:55:19 AM

Weaver95: atomicmask: Maybe she should wait for her "alleged" rapist to be convicted so its no longer an "Alleged" case and its a convicted case, other wise its just defaming the character of someone.

no, I don't think so.  look - she still has freedom of speech.  if she feels that the school was less than supportive of her claims of rape and has suggestions on how the administration can improve their handling of claims of rape then she SHOULD be heard.  if the administration blew off her concerns, and it looks like that might have been the case, then she's justified in doing something to grab their attention.

that's an action independent of the rape case.  she can actually keep that a separate issue and it sounds like that's what she did.  she hasn't publicly named her (accused) rapist.  she was upset with how the school reacted.


Bigger question:  Why is the school involved in anyway concerning this alleged criminal matter?  Sure she has free speech and they can either do something or do nothing concerning her matter and in both cases they aren't wrong for it.  She doesn't need "grab their attention", she needs to pursue a criminal complaint.  Holding the school liable for for any action of a third party whether it was before or after the rape should hold no bearing.  If anything the school appears to be avoiding being drug into a possible lawsuit of the alleged rapist against them for giving her a soapbox.  It's a shiatty legal dodge but we live in a very litigious world where victims get sued by their attackers anymore and win.
 
2013-02-26 12:55:20 AM
ok this has been fun  but I gotta get up early in the morning.  i'll check back tomorrow to see how deep the rabbit hole went and who I need to add to my 'women hating/pro-rape' list of GOP shills on fark.
 
2013-02-26 12:55:55 AM

HalfPiper: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x282]


I was the president of the student justice committee when I was in college, so I'm really getting a kick, yada yada.
 
2013-02-26 12:56:11 AM
Am I an asshole for wondering how said rape transpired? More specifically, if it happened at a frat party, she got too much to drink, and things went sour? If so, although still a terrible thing, live and learn, own up to your own shortcomings, and carry on. If not, sue these mother frakkers for ... no, not "for all they're worth", because pieces of trash like this aren't worth much, but sue them for more than they're worth, get out of that piece of garbage school, and educate people so something like this never happens again.

Regardless of how the rape transpired it's still a disgrace to the human race to violate a victim all over again. The courage it took this girl to speak out about it should be rewarded and not commended.
 
2013-02-26 12:56:25 AM

ciberido: Genevieve Marie: Kaenneth: I know that women lie. Had a girl accuse me of 'undressing her with my eyes' in high school. No clue who she was, and I wasn't, because I'm gay.

So one woman, one time, misread the way you were looking at her and accused you of doing something rude but legal and your conclusion from this one relatively harmless interaction with one member of the gender that makes up half the human race is "Women are psycho liars who should be locked in camps"?

Sounds legit.

I don't know why, but I've noticed that for some reason some gay men make for the worst misogynists.  I mean, most gay men are fine and you usually get a lot of support for women from the lbgtq community, but you every once in a while run into these crazy gay men who just have a NUCLEAR hatred of women, all women.

I have no idea why, and since this is merely personal observation it has no scientific credibility.  I have to wonder, though, if maybe it's about time someone did a study or something.



How is telling the truth evidence of nuclear hatred of women?  'Oh noes, implying that women aren't always truthful about claims of sexual harassment/rape is the same as misogyny'

Come on, man.  Or woman.

Some men rape -- and some women lie about being raped.  This is getting into 'women don't commit domestic violence' and 'women are not pedophiles' territory.

I take that back; this is getting into 'no white woman would ever agree to have sex with a black man' territory, and we all saw how that ended up going.
 
2013-02-26 12:56:37 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Quicker and less complicated?  Really?

So shiat didn't go her way, now she gets to defame this dude forever.  What the fk ever.


She hasn't even named the guy so, no, she's not defaming him.

The rape is a background story to this story.  The present-day story is actually about her filing a complaint against the school, and the school's "Honor Court" retaliating against her for it.
 
2013-02-26 12:56:37 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Weaver95: skullkrusher:
She availed herself of the "honor court" option.

..because she had no choice...she didn't like that and wanted another option.  she was told 'honor court or nothing' and to STFU about it, not to mention it to the press and get over it.

not to mention that the 'court' was run by ill trained fellow students who did a sloppy job and might very well have let their own bias decide the 'case'.  no appeals either, and don't talk about it to the press or you can kiss your degree goodbye.

Um, not exactly.  She chose Honor Court because was persuaded that it would be easier and faster.

FOR US TO POOP ON YOU!

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Faster and easier to accomplish what?  That's what I'm not getting.  What exactly is the Honor Court process supposed to result in?

Real cops = convicted rapist goes to prison
Honor court = a stern talking to or something?
 
2013-02-26 12:57:12 AM

ParagonComplex: Am I an asshole for wondering how said rape transpired? More specifically, if it happened at a frat party, she got too much to drink, and things went sour? If so, although still a terrible thing, live and learn, own up to your own shortcomings, and carry on


Seriously? If someone is raped while drunk, they should just accept that being raped is the price one pays for having the audacity to imbibe a legal substance?
 
2013-02-26 12:57:28 AM

JohnnyRebel88: True Story:
 My good friend that has the utmost credibility to me and others, and is a pussy, was accused of rape.  The police did not follow through with the charges.  She had cheated on her boyfriend with my friend, whom I believed he hated.  Women wanna get f*d sometimes because they are whores, drunks and liars.  This woman has no reason to do this if she was leading to his name, which I am sure she was doing, also is it not considered to be defamation as to the school's credibility.  Unless this is a Sandusky type case, she should shut the f up and get help elsewhere.

This could of been personal, she also might of threatened the school.  No info, no reason to be up in arms.


True story: My senior year of high school, a buddy of mine who was meek and had the utmost credibility was accused of rape by a female friend of his.  We were all up in arms about it.  She had a boyfriend who was in boot camp, and he told us (and we all figured he was right) that they had gotten drunk and boned and she was looking to justify it.  Our friend was a total gentleman, and not a farking rapist.

Then a couple of years later, a female friend of both of ours woke up after a night of partying to see him sitting on her bed fingering her.  But she made the excuse that maybe she led him on, and she was drunk enough that maybe she even told him he could, and he stopped and he's a nice guy so everyone drop it.

Then a couple years later, another female friend awoke to him trying to take her pants off.  Luckily, she was sober and knew that she hadn't been hitting on him, because she had just told him the day before that she had a boyfriend and he needed to stop asking her out on a date.

I'm now 100% convinced that me and my friends were wrong about what happened that day in high school.  But yeah, at the time he sure seemed credible.
 
2013-02-26 12:57:38 AM

Genevieve Marie: Philbb: bigwf2007: She describes him as a rapist. The words rape or rapist appear four times in the Huffington Post article. The phrase "sexual assault" appears seven times.

So, what's your point? She describes "him" as a rapist yet, never publicly identifies "him". Are we to assume that the rapist might be a "her"? That's not unprecedented, but is still very unlikely. She thinks it was an ex-boyfriend, but doesn't give any more details than that.

It's highly unlikely. Violent rape of a woman by another woman? That's so unbelievably statistically rare.

Plus- I'm fairly sure that she'd know what type of body part penetrated her. We can probably accept the victim's word on the gender of her rapist.


That was kind of my point.
 
2013-02-26 12:57:43 AM

Genevieve Marie: In a criminal case, this is exactly why a lot of rapists walk. However? This isn't a criminal case at this point. This girl is participating in a civil case against the school. Totally different standard of proof.

No one's freedom is at stake, and people don't have an inalienable right to a good reputation.


Oh, I agree. I'm more trying to talk about the general culture and perception of rape accusations. Though I somewhat disagree on that last bit. You don't have the right to a good reputation, but at the same time you do have the right to try to address unfair contraventions of it in a libel/slander case. It's just that in some sense that's a bit "simpler" than the criminal case because then you don't have to decide guilt based on some nebulous "reasonable doubt" but just have to decide who you believe more. Of course, that is still plenty difficult in some cases, I'm sure.
 
2013-02-26 12:58:14 AM
I have a friend who was accused of rape when he was in high school. It was a mutual encounter, but for months the allegations and suspicions followed him. It was a small town, so he really couldn't go out, without people threatening to hurt him.

She eventually recanted, (I can't remember why)  But he has a big vendetta against any rape accusations, due to his experiences
 
2013-02-26 12:58:44 AM

Weaver95: skullkrusher:
umm... huh?
You're saying stuff but it's not making any sense.
You're stomping your feet claiming to know what the story is about and exhorting me to pay attention. Yeah, I'm paying attention. Read a few articles on it even. It is complicated yet you are getting all bothered by the fact that I am not focusing solely on one aspect of it. Sorry dude, talk to someone else then

oo, good call.  denial is always a good choice.  and making it all about you?   that's like...bonus round!  anything to avoid talking about how badly the university handled this situation, right?  'cause if I were to somehow bring the focus back onto that subject, you'd be screwed, right?


holy shiat you're terrible at this. I've said a number of times that this girl has gotten poor treatment at the hands of the school. I've put "honor court" in quotes every farking time I've typed the words. I've said that it is indefensible if the school is trying to retaliate against her for filing charges. Yet you're just gonna be dishonest 'cause if you were to somehow actually discuss shiat rather than waving your hands and pretending that you've got it all figured out if only I'd listen, you'd be screwed, right?

As I always say, you just flipped the coin dude. You didn't change, you're just wearing a new uniform
 
2013-02-26 12:59:58 AM

Philbb: Popular Opinion: ...these personality types are not exactly beacons of truth.
also, research aside, the "typical college rapist" is a student who probably gets away with it 90% of the time, due to the intoxicated state of their victims, so i doubt you have actually been "interviewing" or studying the types of predators we are talking about (in this case).


I was responding to "the few who do won't listen" which has next to nothing to do with "the 'typical college rapist'".

I was just pointing out that the comment that guys who do need to be told won't listen "because they know exactly what the fark they're doing. " was too broad. That there are many who really believe that they are the victims and it's "her" fault because "she" was asking for it.


i'm sure there are real sociopaths in the sample, but most (imho) just learned to do whatever they want, as long as they think they can get away with it.
they grow up knowing dad cheats on mom and his tax return...
certainly no fear of eternal damnation lol....
frightening and sad how common this is....
 
2013-02-26 01:00:38 AM

doglover: ciberido: After all, Superman is known for his strength, not his speed.

This has to be the trolliest thing I've read in this thread so far, and I've been reading my own posts.


I have to try to put a little humor in these threads at some point or my head would explode with rage.  I'm trying to re-learn the art of dealing with Farkwits and maintaining some degree of serenity, or at least sanity.

Seriously, getting mad at stupid people and reading Fark is a recipe for disaster.
 
2013-02-26 01:02:13 AM

pudding7: bigwf2007: pudding7: Weaver95: bigwf2007: So has anyone actually been convicted of or even criminally charged with rape in this case?

the article doesn't make that point clear...but this isn't about the rape case.  this is about how the school handled allegations of rape, which was to apparently cover it up and pretend it doesn't happen on campus.

How could the school cover it up when the police were notified and a report was filed?

Actually, as someone later pointed oout to me there's a link in this article that says she chose to go to honor court rather than the police because it would be quicker and less complicated. So the answer is no, no one was ever charged with a crime.

Quicker and less complicated to do what?  Send the guy to prison?  Oh wait, she doesn't know who did it, so what exactly was she hoping the Honor Court would do more quickly and with fewer complications?



I think you may be confusing her with one of the other women, whiich has happened repeatedly in this thread. She's very clear that a boy she'd bee dating for about a year at that point attacked her.
 
2013-02-26 01:03:21 AM

ParagonComplex: Am I an asshole for wondering how said rape transpired? More specifically, if it happened at a frat party, she got too much to drink, and things went sour? If so, although still a terrible thing, live and learn, own up to your own shortcomings, and carry on. If not, sue these mother frakkers for ... no, not "for all they're worth", because pieces of trash like this aren't worth much, but sue them for more than they're worth, get out of that piece of garbage school, and educate people so something like this never happens again.

Regardless of how the rape transpired it's still a disgrace to the human race to violate a victim all over again. The courage it took this girl to speak out about it should be rewarded and not commended.


You seem to be arguing with yourself here.    Like even within the same thought.
 
2013-02-26 01:03:34 AM

Genevieve Marie: ExperianScaresCthulhu: So shiat didn't go her way, now she gets to defame this dude forever. What the fk ever.

It's only defamation if you believe she was lying. As there is no evidence that this is the case, I have to believe you're basing  this assertion on your own biases.


Yes, these are my own biases.

The court she chose to go before didn't rule in her favor.  She doesn't get a free pass.  This is what is going down: she didn't get her way, so now she is defaming dude forever.  She's playing 'take backs'.  There's no evidence that she's telling the truth, either.

You write for women's mags (among others) professionally.  You're a professional feminist.  You get paid for it.  More power to you for doing what you love and making a living out of it. That's awesome. Own up to your own biases.

She wants to continue down this road, she needs to press real charges instead of defaming this dude forever.  And if that doesn't go her way, she'll still defame this dude forever.  Such is life.  But at least she has her day in real court instead of continuing to try to use the court of public opinion to make this guy pay for whatever.
 
2013-02-26 01:04:38 AM

Genevieve Marie: ParagonComplex: Am I an asshole for wondering how said rape transpired? More specifically, if it happened at a frat party, she got too much to drink, and things went sour? If so, although still a terrible thing, live and learn, own up to your own shortcomings, and carry on

Seriously? If someone is raped while drunk, they should just accept that being raped is the price one pays for having the audacity to imbibe a legal substance?


i think he is saying that if he drank until he passed out at a gay bar, he'd have only himself to blame for any intrusion into his personal body parts while in that state of intoxication.
 
2013-02-26 01:04:47 AM

Genevieve Marie: Weaver95: we have the same problem with PSU. the local cops wouldn't DARE follow up on a pedo rape accusation without talking to the university first. in a lot of ways, PSU football was more akin to a cult than a school franchise.

And sadly, you could apply that to a ton of other universities as well. People are bad at seeing patterns though. It should be fairly obvious by now that any insular patriarchal institution that's considered inviolable and perfect is going to provide an atmosphere that allows rape culture to thrive.

Catholic church. Penn state. Numerous other universities whose athletes get away with acquaintance rape.


And this is why I say call a real cop, despite the SANE exam and all the other shiat.  And if the cops don't do their farking job, go to the feds like this girl did.

And call your parents, no matter what.  They will come up with a lawyer and you will need one.
 
2013-02-26 01:04:47 AM

Weaver95: ok this has been fun  but I gotta get up early in the morning.  i'll check back tomorrow to see how deep the rabbit hole went and who I need to add to my 'women hating/pro-rape' list of GOP shills on fark.


Me me me me me.
 
2013-02-26 01:05:34 AM
I missed the part in the article where it says the guy was convicted of rape before an actual court that saw evidence. Who knows if it happened or not?
 
2013-02-26 01:06:14 AM

ciberido: Seriously, getting mad at stupid people and reading Fark is a recipe for disaster.


:D
 
2013-02-26 01:06:18 AM
HotWingAgenda:
I'm sure we agree on this issue in real life, despite stupid fark arguments.
 
2013-02-26 01:06:38 AM

Darth_Lukecash: I have a friend who was accused of rape when he was in high school. It was a mutual encounter, but for months the allegations and suspicions followed him. It was a small town, so he really couldn't go out, without people threatening to hurt him.

She eventually recanted, (I can't remember why)  But he has a big vendetta against any rape accusations, due to his experiences


As he should.
 
2013-02-26 01:06:40 AM
Also, to all the men who are all "Oh just go straight to the police, bam conviction. Easy." Think about it more- try to imagine how you'd feel after say, waking up hungover, because maybe you had too much to drink and maybe someone drugged you. Then realizing that the guy in bed next to you raped you the night before. Now you're still sick and confused and you know something's wrong, but you can't quite put words to it, I mean, you know this guy. Maybe not all that well- he's in a few of your classes. But he seems pretty normal. Also, he's putting on his clothes and leaving and telling you bye and acting like whatever just happened wasn't that big a deal, even though you know you didn't want to have sex with him and you know you didn't say yes. In fact, you remember telling him you weren't interested. But you know that accusing someone of rape is a huge deal and you know the circumstances are pretty fuzzy.

So what's your first reaction? Do you jump out of bed and go "Oh man, clearly this was rape and I must go to the police right now." Do you sit through a rape kit which takes hours, go through a full gynecological exam (which is way more invasive than most men probably realize) and have people combing over every part of your naked body and all of your body cavities for any trace of evidence all the while knowing your story probably isn't going to hold up in court?

Or do you just try and move on as best you can... but still, you're afraid of this person. You know what they did wasn't right and they don't make you feel safe. All of a sudden, they're turning up wherever you are. You're depressed and sad and school no longer feels like a safe place to be.

At that point, would it not maybe occur to you to seek help from the school administration? And would it not be totally devastating to be accused of lying and basically told to suck it up?

That right there- that is the reality of campus rape most of the time. Many people know this, and yet schools are still very resistant to providing any services for women who go through this.
 
2013-02-26 01:07:43 AM

COMALite J: BarkingUnicorn: Damn, you really know your imaginary history!

Which part is imaginary? That Clayton Williams really said that? That it cost him the election? That Ann Richards won because of that? That George W. Bush was able to run against her afterwards because the GOP had no incumbent in the race? That George W. Bush could never have been taken seriously enough to run for, let alone become, President, without first being Governor of a State or a U.S. Senator? That George W. Bush's two terms, which could not have happened without that joke, seriously messed up this nation?


That we'd be $4 trillion richer if Bush hadn't been elected.
 
2013-02-26 01:10:04 AM

pudding7: Faster and easier to accomplish what?  That's what I'm not getting.  What exactly is the Honor Court process supposed to result in?Real cops = convicted rapist goes to prisonHonor court = a stern talking to or something?


I could be wrong, but my read of the situation from the couple articles I've read/skimmed is that she didn't want to go through the process of bringing formal charges -- perhaps she felt she didn't have the evidence for it, or didn't want to go through the emotional trauma for an uncertain outcome -- and would have been satisfied with an easier path to a weaker resolution. I'll make up story that seems plausible to me.

She brought it to the Honor Court less as "punish him!" and more as "please take reasonable measures to keep him away from me." However, he dropped out during the proceedings, the University allegedly said that they would notify her if he reenrolled and try to put him in a dorm far away. But surprise, he reenrolled and they put him across the street. [These are true.]
 
2013-02-26 01:10:22 AM

Cataholic: There are likely scores of men sitting in prison who were falsely convicted of rape (not because they are the wrong man, but because no rape occurred).  There are also thousands of women who have been raped and for which no person has been convicted of doing it.  Why does anyone feel the need to pick one side over the other instead of supporting a system that would reduce both?


Ah, the good old "false accusations of rape are just as big a problem as rape itself" argument.  I always enjoy the classics.
 
2013-02-26 01:10:35 AM
Ok haven't read every comment because the trolling of this subject makes me ill. Some things just aren't funny. My personal feeling is that rape, especially violent rape, Proven in a court of law should be eligible for the death penalty where it applies. My wife was a victim of rape (before we were married) at a college we both attended. The rapist was eventually caught and it was found he had raped at least 5 other women. Sure give them the ridiculous amount of appeals etc.. but if they are Proven guilty after that kill the f*cking bastards. (Or biatches if that is the situation). Rape steals life from a person in that it is something they can never forget. No mercy for them if they are legally convicted. Say I'm a libtard-true. Say I don't understand the cry wolf theory-possibly also true. fark them. All convicted rapists deserve to die.
 
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