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2013-02-25 11:43:49 PM

ciberido: Theaetetus: IgG4: Are you drunk? Look if you get raped you go to the  cops and press charges then you let the DA take it from there. You don't file a complaint with the US Dept of Ed Office of Civil Rights. When you do that you look like an activist with an axe to grind, which in this case I think she probably is. How that makes me a psychopath I have no idea.

She complained to a state authority with state police, and only went to a federal agency because of their lack of response. But that's apparently not good enough for you, because you want to call her "an activist with an axe to grind" so that people will shut her up.  Boy, you sure are angry at being called out on your own words.
And I stand by my original declaration of your Farky. That's incredibly sociopathic, and there's really no excuse for the rest of us to stand idly by and let your words spew out unopposed. As long as people think you have any credibility, you're harmful to society.


I wouldn't go quite that far, but "I bet she's lying!" is a damned odd response to the article.  I'm not sure if that would be better or worse than, "Sure, she was raped, but she's a troublemaker to make such a fuss about it."

They're both rather troubling responses to this story.


We don't have any reason to believe that she's lying and this "honor court" sounds like a huge load of bullshiat (as if they name itself didn't give that away already). However, it sounds like she accused her ex-boyfriend in front of this honor court and he was exonerated and now this same court is threatening her with "harassment" for continuing to speak out about the attack and further accuse her innocent (in the eyes of the honor court) ex-boyfriend.

It's a farked up complicated story and this girl got fooked but I think there's more going on here
 
2013-02-25 11:44:12 PM

Big Dave: but we do not tell our men not to rape.


What redneck backwater did you grow up in?  I was a child in the politically correct 90's, and the schools were mandated to give seminars at least twice a year from elementary school onward about how if we boys ever even looked at a girl funny, that was rape, and our lives would be over.  F*ck, I was afraid to even ask any girls out until I got to college, for fear of being labeled some sort of sexual predator.

/college sweetheart was stalked and abused by the guy she ditched me for
//she went straight to the cops and didn't tell the school, other than to advise them of the restraining order
 
2013-02-25 11:44:13 PM

Hagenhatesyouall: Was the dude convicted of raping her?

If so, the school is farked.

If not, then that biatch needs to shut the fark up and suck up some slander charges.


Yes, women are scary, we know.
 
2013-02-25 11:44:40 PM

Cataholic: There are likely scores of men sitting in prison who were falsely convicted of rape (not because they are the wrong man, but because no rape occurred). There are also thousands of women who have been raped and for which no person has been convicted of doing it. Why does anyone feel the need to pick one side over the other instead of supporting a system that would reduce both?


Because there's no evidence of a systemic problem that targets men with false accusations nor is there any substantive evidence that false rape accusations are a pervasive problem?

And no, telling someone that their attitudes towards women are creepy and wrong and that it probably means women don't trust them and may fear them is a whole hell of a lot different than implying that someone who's dressing in a certain way is inviting sexual assault.
 
2013-02-25 11:45:49 PM

meat0918: So, when do we stop reinforcing this "It's the woman's fault" crap.  I'm kinda tired of punishing rape victims for speaking out.

Anyone?

//I've seen it first hand where a rape victim was browbeaten, by her family (not mine), into accepting it was her fault for "dressing like a slut".


When the Duke Lacrosse team is let out of prison?

Remember, even a false, completely unfounded accusation can completely ruin a man's life, and that happens all the time. Both women, and men need to be protected, but the law only protects women.

We need extremely tough false accusation laws, to award large damages to men falsely accused.
 
2013-02-25 11:45:58 PM

bigwf2007: There are then only three names on the complaint. Five according to some other reports. That's still not many.


Al, Bob, Charlie, and John Does 1-64 v. University of North Carolina counts as 67 complainants. And trust me, the court knows who all of those anonymous 64 are.
 
2013-02-25 11:46:07 PM

BSABSVR: Have you never seen a rape thread before?  Or one of the endless "Autobiography of Doglover X" threads?  Cause you clearly are not new here.


I'm assuming sarcasm on his part. Seriously, Fark has so many rape defenders I'm surprised it's not on some kind of watch list.
 
2013-02-25 11:46:32 PM

HotWingAgenda: Big Dave: but we do not tell our men not to rape.

What redneck backwater did you grow up in?  I was a child in the politically correct 90's, and the schools were mandated to give seminars at least twice a year from elementary school onward about how if we boys ever even looked at a girl funny, that was rape, and our lives would be over.  F*ck, I was afraid to even ask any girls out until I got to college, for fear of being labeled some sort of sexual predator.

/college sweetheart was stalked and abused by the guy she ditched me for
//she went straight to the cops and didn't tell the school, other than to advise them of the restraining order


I was a child in the 80s and the 90s and we were told once or twice to respect a woman's wishes and that was enough because we weren't a bunch of knuckledragging farking savages
 
2013-02-25 11:46:39 PM

ultraholland: Rapist charged with on her code violation.


I once got charged with a code violation.  It wasn't rape rape, but it was rape.

SlothB77: the rapist must be on the basketball team.  or football team or lax team.


Winnar winnar chicken dinnar.
 
2013-02-25 11:47:08 PM

Thunderpipes: When the Duke Lacrosse team is let out of prison?


The Duke Lacrosse team was exonerated, very publicly, and was not sent to prison.

It was also one case. Does it not strike you as odd that it's the only false accuser story people ever bring up?
 
2013-02-25 11:47:14 PM

Thunderpipes: meat0918: So, when do we stop reinforcing this "It's the woman's fault" crap.  I'm kinda tired of punishing rape victims for speaking out.

Anyone?

//I've seen it first hand where a rape victim was browbeaten, by her family (not mine), into accepting it was her fault for "dressing like a slut".

When the Duke Lacrosse team is let out of prison?

Remember, even a false, completely unfounded accusation can completely ruin a man's life, and that happens all the time. Both women, and men need to be protected, but the law only protects women.

We need extremely tough false accusation laws, to award large damages to men falsely accused.


they were lacrosse players. They didn't rape that girl but it was only a matter of time
 
2013-02-25 11:48:19 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Sidenote to all of Fark's pro-rape white knights: You are aware that the only thing you're succeeding in is making yourselves look guilty of rape as well, right? I'm not going to say that you are rapists (obviously, most of you are just trolls), but that's what it looks like. That goes for every rape thread, by the way, not just this one.


That was a really stupid thing to say.
 
2013-02-25 11:48:31 PM

Genevieve Marie: Thunderpipes: When the Duke Lacrosse team is let out of prison?

The Duke Lacrosse team was exonerated, very publicly, and was not sent to prison.

It was also one case. Does it not strike you as odd that it's the only false accuser story people ever bring up?


aww cmon, Tawana is a much better one. You get to nail Sharpton on that one too. Double bonus score.
 
2013-02-25 11:48:51 PM

Dafatone: But say the phrase "rape culture" and everyone yells at you.


To echo something from a previous thread, it's really, really sad that I need an "anti-rape" tag for Fark.  Because the existence of such a tag as "anti-rape" suggests that there are people out there who need to be tagged as "pro-rape."

This thread is a little depressing in that regard.
 
2013-02-25 11:49:04 PM

Voiceofreason01: Weaver95:
again, you miss the point.

What point? That UNC needs to encourage it's students that have been victims of crimes that they need to go to the police? Because if so I agree. If you're implying that there's some kind of coverup going on, then(as a completely uninvolved bystander) I'm going to need to see some evidence first before I'm on board with that interpretation of events.


lemme put it to you this way:

student: 'I was raped.  I reported it to the cops.  i'm in therapy and i'm having a bad day.  can you give me a break?  maybe cut me some slack?'
university: 'no.  and don't go telling anyone about it either or we'll destroy your reputation forever.  man up and walk it off.'
student: 'I wanna appeal.'
university president" 'appeal denied. now go walk it off, ya lazy slut'.
student: 'this is crappy customer service.'  [goes public]  LOOK AT THIS CRAPPY CUSTOMER SERVICE! I GET BETTER TREATMENT AT A MCDONALDS WINDOW!'
university: 'ok that's it - yer f*cked now biatch.'
Fedgov: 'well now, she might have a point.  that was some mighty bad customer service.'
internet goons: 'slutty biatch.  she probably WANTED to be raped.'
everyone else: [makes disgusted faces] 'assholes'.
 
2013-02-25 11:49:28 PM

skullkrusher: HotWingAgenda: Big Dave: but we do not tell our men not to rape.

What redneck backwater did you grow up in?  I was a child in the politically correct 90's, and the schools were mandated to give seminars at least twice a year from elementary school onward about how if we boys ever even looked at a girl funny, that was rape, and our lives would be over.  F*ck, I was afraid to even ask any girls out until I got to college, for fear of being labeled some sort of sexual predator.

/college sweetheart was stalked and abused by the guy she ditched me for
//she went straight to the cops and didn't tell the school, other than to advise them of the restraining order

I was a child in the 80s and the 90s and we were told once or twice to respect a woman's wishes and that was enough because we weren't a bunch of knuckledragging farking savages


Actually, there are almost no school programs that teach consent. That's actually one of the bigger problems with abstinence education- it reinforces rape culture. The idea that you should always say no is totally at odds with human nature, and not only does it present some problems as far as teaching birth control and reproductive health, it also presents some problems as far as sexual consent goes.

If you tell people they're not ever allowed to say yes, and when that's particularly focused on women, a very screwy sexual dynamic emerges.
 
2013-02-25 11:50:09 PM

skullkrusher: they were lacrosse players. They didn't rape that girl but it was only a matter of time



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2013-02-25 11:50:11 PM

Weaver95: Voiceofreason01: Weaver95:
again, you miss the point.

What point? That UNC needs to encourage it's students that have been victims of crimes that they need to go to the police? Because if so I agree. If you're implying that there's some kind of coverup going on, then(as a completely uninvolved bystander) I'm going to need to see some evidence first before I'm on board with that interpretation of events.

lemme put it to you this way:

student: 'I was raped.  I reported it to the cops.  i'm in therapy and i'm having a bad day.  can you give me a break?  maybe cut me some slack?'
university: 'no.  and don't go telling anyone about it either or we'll destroy your reputation forever.  man up and walk it off.'
student: 'I wanna appeal.'
university president" 'appeal denied. now go walk it off, ya lazy slut'.
student: 'this is crappy customer service.'  [goes public]  LOOK AT THIS CRAPPY CUSTOMER SERVICE! I GET BETTER TREATMENT AT A MCDONALDS WINDOW!'
university: 'ok that's it - yer f*cked now biatch.'
Fedgov: 'well now, she might have a point.  that was some mighty bad customer service.'
internet goons: 'slutty biatch.  she probably WANTED to be raped.'
everyone else: [makes disgusted faces] 'assholes'.


Why does that seem like copypasta from a different college wants to cover up rape thread?
 
2013-02-25 11:50:25 PM

Theaetetus: Maestro1701: Theaetetus: IgG4: Theaetetus: IgG4: She sounds like a trouble maker to me. Multiple accusations against various men, exploiting what ever means she has at her disposal to make her political position heard? Sounds like trouble to me.

Hey, everyone! Sociopath Alert! Set your Farkies.

IgG4:"But I'm just making a joke! Get a sense of humor!"

Sure, sure, Sociopath.
[i1094.photobucket.com image 300x250]
We're on to your kind.

What the hell are you talking about?

The proper response is, "oh, shiat, I didn't mean that seriously. Gosh, I now realize that was as inappropriate as McFarlane's jokes last night. I disavow that entire post and beg forgiveness."

Helpful tip: you can copy-paste the above via the edit menu.

You're a lawyer. You don't get to lecture anyone on ethical behavior.

For every unethical lawyer, there's an ethical one on the other side. Benefit of our adversarial system.

/plus, I'm not a litigator. They're all a bunch of ulcer-ridden coke heads.


My bad. Carry on.
 
2013-02-25 11:50:37 PM

Thunderpipes: We need extremely tough false accusation laws, to award large damages to men falsely accused.


See above -
(i) rape victim, covered in jizz, bruises, and scratches can't identify her rapist, but gives a description;
(ii) police round up people matching that description and prosecutor charges them without waiting for DNA evidence; and
(iii) overzealous reporter claims all of the people are rapists, baby farkers, puppy torturers, and terrorists.

Which one or ones would you charge with crimes or civil penalties?
 
2013-02-25 11:50:44 PM

Ryan2065: bigwf2007: Landen Gambill is the one who claims she is being threatened with an honor code violation for talking about her "rape.". She is the one who reported her boyfriend for an honor code violation for raping her. But I haven't found any explanation in any story I've read for why she didn't go to the police.

No, she isn't...  She was in an abusive relationship (sexually and verbally) with her boyfriend and when she ended the relationship he started to stalk her. She reported him for an honor code violation for stalking her. I'm guessing she just wanted it to stop and thought that was the easiest way to make it happen. For her efforts:

Link


When the relationship ended, she said she was met with months of stalking, threats and harassment.

Those actions lead her to press charges with the Honor Court. In her trial, Gambill said she was forced to answer irrelevant and inappropriate questions.

"The woman student said to me, 'Landen, as a woman, I know that if that had happened to me, I would've broken up with him the first time it happened. Will you explain to me why you didn't?'" she said.

Gambill said the court used her history of clinical depression and her suicide attempt - which she said was a result of her abusive relationship - against her.

"They implied that I was emotionally unstable and couldn't be telling the truth because I had attempted suicide," she said.


Gambill said the court's ignorance reflected a complete lack of training.

But Judicial Programs Officer Erik Hunter said the Honor Court members and the student attorney general's staff received a full day of training after the interim procedures were implemented.


Holy CRAP.

Jesus.  My school had a poor excuse for mental health counseling (especially considered the sophisticated and thorough mental heath counseling patients at the medical school got, seemed like they couldn't be bothered to provide much to the students directly) but goddamn.  That's appalling.

rynthetyn: And universities are notorious for covering things up if it might possibly make the school look bad. You often have to at least threaten to report to a federal agency to get things moving. I had to threaten to play that card on behalf of my sister when our college wouldn't do anything about her being sexually harassed by some other students. Suddenly when I pointed out that their federal funding was in trouble if my sister decided to go to the feds over their Title IX violations, they decided to take things a lot more seriously.

I'm sure she's told you this: but thank you for being awesome.
 
2013-02-25 11:51:03 PM

doglover: cowgirl toffee: doglover: cowgirl toffee: doglover: cowgirl toffee: Can we also say "potential rape-ie" when we refer to her?

Canola?

Yes. But, you can also use baby oil and a tarp. (?)
;)

No, only Canola is made out of 100% Canadian rape.

Hummmm....
Regardless, you should still try the baby oil and the tarp. Seriously. :D


Do ya'll remember Planescape: Tourment? The one item you couldn't buy from the curio shoppe was "Pure Baby Oil, pressed from 1000 babies"

Considering what you COULD buy in that game, it's odd you couldn't buy the oil, really.


That would make the game wrong...just wrong! ...in all the right ways. :D
 
2013-02-25 11:51:04 PM

Theaetetus: I'm not a litigator. They're all a bunch of ulcer-ridden coke heads.


It's true that litigation is more stressful than almost any other practice of law (except family law), but medical studies have shown that stress does not actually cause ulcers.  And we tend to drink Diet Coke or tea, because we're more health conscious than the fat f*cks doing transactional law.
 
2013-02-25 11:51:06 PM

Voiceofreason01: Theaetetus:
Glad to know you guys have your talking points straight. It makes it easier to identify you.

Nowhere in the article or the articles posted in the comments does it say she went to the police and nobody has been charged with a crime. I'm not going to come and white knight a rapist but there's also no real evidence that the boyfriend raped anybody. I might believe that University is covering things up but are you asserting that the local and State police are just ignoring accusations of rape?

/Interestingly I have you farkied as a troll.


Yeah, you've called me a troll before, too.  I bet you've found a lot of trolls on Fark, haven't you?
 
2013-02-25 11:51:07 PM

skullkrusher: doesnt sound like they were signatories to the complaint


bigwf2007: There are then only three names on the complaint. Five according to some other reports. That's still not many.


That's true, or rather is probably true. Either the complaint isn't publicly available or I just can't find it. But the discussion was about how big UNC's coverup operation is. If the complaint is substantiated, then the 60+ number is more relevant.
 
2013-02-25 11:51:18 PM
Clark said it was the hostile culture she experienced from administrators that prompted her to file a complaint.

"When I went to report my assault in 2007, I asked an administrator what the process would look like," Clark said. "Instead, that person told me, 'Rape is like a football game, Annie. If you look back on the game, and you're the quarterback and you're in charge, is there anything that you would have done differently in that situation?'"


From the Daily Tar Heel.
 
2013-02-25 11:51:36 PM

Theaetetus: Hagenhatesyouall: Was the dude convicted of raping her?

If so, the school is farked.

If not, then that biatch needs to shut the fark up and suck up some slander charges.

Whup, got another sociopath! "If the rapist isn't convicted beyond a reasonable doubt, then the accuser is guilty of lying and we don't need trials or anything."
Tag him and bag him.


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-02-25 11:52:06 PM
meat0918:
Why does that seem like copypasta from a different college wants to cover up rape thread?

universities DO NOT like scandals.  they don't like it when crimes happen on campus, they don't want to talk about it, they don't want to admit it happens and they sure as hell don't want to see it reported in the newspapers.  they'd rather just sweep the allegations under the rug and pretend nothing happened.
 
2013-02-25 11:52:12 PM

Genevieve Marie: skullkrusher: HotWingAgenda: Big Dave: but we do not tell our men not to rape.

What redneck backwater did you grow up in?  I was a child in the politically correct 90's, and the schools were mandated to give seminars at least twice a year from elementary school onward about how if we boys ever even looked at a girl funny, that was rape, and our lives would be over.  F*ck, I was afraid to even ask any girls out until I got to college, for fear of being labeled some sort of sexual predator.

/college sweetheart was stalked and abused by the guy she ditched me for
//she went straight to the cops and didn't tell the school, other than to advise them of the restraining order

I was a child in the 80s and the 90s and we were told once or twice to respect a woman's wishes and that was enough because we weren't a bunch of knuckledragging farking savages

Actually, there are almost no school programs that teach consent. That's actually one of the bigger problems with abstinence education- it reinforces rape culture. The idea that you should always say no is totally at odds with human nature, and not only does it present some problems as far as teaching birth control and reproductive health, it also presents some problems as far as sexual consent goes.

If you tell people they're not ever allowed to say yes, and when that's particularly focused on women, a very screwy sexual dynamic emerges.


that's why I was given a dad I guess
 
2013-02-25 11:52:47 PM
s3-ec.buzzfed.com
 
2013-02-25 11:53:04 PM

gadian: Has he been convicted?  I'm not a GED holding law type, but I imagine that plays into the harassment angle just a little bit.


Hagenhatesyouall: Was the dude convicted of raping her?


Voiceofreason01: All we have is her word about what's going on. If we look at the evidence so far the boyfriend might have a good libel case against her and the university


atomicmask: Maybe she should wait for her "alleged" rapist to be convicted so its no longer an "Alleged" case and its a convicted case, other wise its just defaming the character of someone.


FTFA: "Honor Code violation for 'disruptive or intimidating behavior' against her alleged rapist, although she has never publicly named him."

She says she was raped, she says that she went to the school and nothing was done, she found other sexual assault victims who went through the same thing. She is now "part of a group that filed a complaint in January with the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights, alleging the university has routinely violated the rights of sexual assault survivors and failed to assist them in recovery after the reported abuse."

There is nothing at all that could be considered libelous, according to the article.
 
2013-02-25 11:54:09 PM

Genevieve Marie: Thunderpipes: When the Duke Lacrosse team is let out of prison?

The Duke Lacrosse team was exonerated, very publicly, and was not sent to prison.

It was also one case. Does it not strike you as odd that it's the only false accuser story people ever bring up?


It was a joke......

I do find it odd all these magical rapists are running around, not even getting kicked out of college, let alone charged with a crime, and they are all guilty. Sounds like a bunch of malarkey. Now, given how extremely liberal all colleges are as well, and a woman on the board no less telling the chick she is a douche, I side with the college. Months of this evil abusive boyfriend, and then she goes to the college to get the guy in trouble? She was right. First time a guy abuses you, leave. Christ, not like she was married with kids and dependent either. And she was depressed and had suicide attempts? Crazy chick.

The other girl with head wound, go to the police, let them handle it.
 
2013-02-25 11:54:16 PM

ModernLuddite: Goofus goes public with accusations of a crime.

Gallant calls the police and provides evidentiary support.


Goofus DNRTFA and posts really, really dumb crap.
 
2013-02-25 11:54:19 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: "The woman student said to me, 'Landen, as a woman, I know that if that had happened to me, I would've broken up with him the first time it happened. Will you explain to me why you didn't?'" she said.

Gambill said the court used her history of clinical depression and her suicide attempt - which she said was a result of her abusive relationship - against her.

"They implied that I was emotionally unstable and couldn't be telling the truth because I had attempted suicide," she said.



Fark that shiat.  Name names.  Hell, got a transcript?  Surely the Student Attorney General has a stenographer, right?
 
2013-02-25 11:54:26 PM

Weaver95: Voiceofreason01: Weaver95:
you weren't paying attention, were you?

There aren't enough details in the article to know anything for sure other than someone, somewhere is outraged. There's a lot of circumstantial evidence that's pretty damning if you look at it from a certain point of view but no hard evidence. Am I supposed to be outraged by this?

if you follow along with the links embedded in the story, there are certainly more details than you seem to have noticed.  besides, the details of the rape aren't at issue.  the schools handling of the situation is what's at stake.


Well for the girl in this story she never went to the police to report her ex for the prior abuse and stalking. She went to the Honor Court instead to have him kicked out of school, and that was her mistake there. The Honor Court doesn't have any power to investigate, only thing they are going to do is listen to both sides and decide who is telling the truth, and it seems like they didn't believe her. I wonder if she ever filled a police report against him.
 
2013-02-25 11:54:39 PM
Christ, what a bunch of assholes.
 
2013-02-25 11:55:10 PM

Theaetetus: Thunderpipes: We need extremely tough false accusation laws, to award large damages to men falsely accused.

See above -
(i) rape victim, covered in jizz, bruises, and scratches can't identify her rapist, but gives a description;
(ii) police round up people matching that description and prosecutor charges them without waiting for DNA evidence; and
(iii) overzealous reporter claims all of the people are rapists, baby farkers, puppy torturers, and terrorists.

Which one or ones would you charge with crimes or civil penalties?


Hyperbole at its finest.
 
2013-02-25 11:55:16 PM
Thunderpipes:
I do find it odd all these magical rapists are running around, not even getting kicked out of college, let alone charged with a crime, and they are all guilty. Sounds like a bunch of malarkey. Now, given how extremely liberal all colleges are as well, and a woman on the board no less telling the chick she is a douche, I side with the college. Months of this evil abusive boyfriend, and then she goes to the college to get the guy in trouble? She was right. First time a guy abuses you, leave. Christ, not like she was married with kids and dependent either. And she was depressed and had suicide attempts? Crazy chick.

The other girl with head wound, go to the police, let them handle it.


its like you suffer from some form of mental disease or something....
 
2013-02-25 11:56:39 PM

Weaver95: meat0918:
Why does that seem like copypasta from a different college wants to cover up rape thread?

universities DO NOT like scandals.  they don't like it when crimes happen on campus, they don't want to talk about it, they don't want to admit it happens and they sure as hell don't want to see it reported in the newspapers.  they'd rather just sweep the allegations under the rug and pretend nothing happened.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Laura_Dickinson

You don't say.

And relevant to *this* thread...

Shortly after the Dec. 2006 episode, Eastern Michigan officials came under fire for the way they handled the incident. After Dickinson's body was found, the university released a statement to the media and Dickinson's parents saying they didn't believe foul play occurred.
An independent investigation and a U.S. Department of Education report found that the school had violated the Jeanne Clery Act, a federal law requiring colleges and universities to fully disclose any information regarding campus security issues.
 
2013-02-25 11:56:59 PM
Man, I should have done a lot more raping in college. I had no idea it was so easy to get away with.


MrHappyRotter: You can't spell rape without pear.


www.lolwut.com

Approves.
 
2013-02-25 11:57:54 PM

Thunderpipes: Now, given how extremely liberal all colleges are as well


... North Carolina.
 
2013-02-25 11:58:39 PM

IgG4: Are you drunk? Look if you get raped you go to the  cops and press charges then you let the DA take it from there. You don't file a complaint with the US Dept of Ed Office of Civil Rights. When you do that you look like an activist with an axe to grind, which in this case I think she probably is. How that makes me a psychopath I have no idea.


That's not how campus law works.  There is a 'legal' system in place and most campus issues are resolved there.  It's like binding arbitration, only with more rape.
 
2013-02-25 11:59:06 PM
i would think the school reacted to her criticisms or accusations that the administration doesn't care about victims, which may be true and would not surprise me (that they want to keep such things on the down-low, to protect the precious reputation of the school....)

to say she was penalized for "making her rapist unformfortable" seems a stretch, unless the school is really that farked up.
 
2013-02-25 11:59:33 PM

Weaver95: Thunderpipes:
I do find it odd all these magical rapists are running around, not even getting kicked out of college, let alone charged with a crime, and they are all guilty. Sounds like a bunch of malarkey. Now, given how extremely liberal all colleges are as well, and a woman on the board no less telling the chick she is a douche, I side with the college. Months of this evil abusive boyfriend, and then she goes to the college to get the guy in trouble? She was right. First time a guy abuses you, leave. Christ, not like she was married with kids and dependent either. And she was depressed and had suicide attempts? Crazy chick.

The other girl with head wound, go to the police, let them handle it.

its like you suffer from some form of mental disease or something....


How am I in any way wrong? Seriously. I am not. I am just not a panty waste crybaby head like most people. Dude hits you, leave. Story over. Sooner we stop allowing people to act like children and refuse to take responsibility for their actions, better we will be. Funny how society doesn't attack chicks that whip their husbands, huh?

Grow a pair, Cupcake.
 
2013-02-26 12:00:32 AM

ongbok: Weaver95: Voiceofreason01: Weaver95:
you weren't paying attention, were you?

There aren't enough details in the article to know anything for sure other than someone, somewhere is outraged. There's a lot of circumstantial evidence that's pretty damning if you look at it from a certain point of view but no hard evidence. Am I supposed to be outraged by this?

if you follow along with the links embedded in the story, there are certainly more details than you seem to have noticed.  besides, the details of the rape aren't at issue.  the schools handling of the situation is what's at stake.

Well for the girl in this story she never went to the police to report her ex for the prior abuse and stalking. She went to the Honor Court instead to have him kicked out of school, and that was her mistake there. The Honor Court doesn't have any power to investigate, only thing they are going to do is listen to both sides and decide who is telling the truth, and it seems like they didn't believe her. I wonder if she ever filled a police report against him.


except that what you are saying is completely and in all ways wrong, sure.  even if you don't believe her story, there's STILL a bunch of other rape victims to consider.  but even that STILL misses the point.

here, pay attention because this is the important part - it's not the rape plague that is the problem (although that's pretty bad in and of itself), the problem is that the schools policy for handling rape victims is really, horribly bad.  terrible, in fact.  horrific.  they pretended nothing was wrong.  assumed the victim was lying, expected her to prove rape TO THEM.  not to a court. not to the cops.  she had to prove rape...to the school.  on her own, with no lawyer or process in place to assure her anything would be done.  And she - and other women who went through the same thing - thought the school could do things better.

the school disagreed and punished her for speaking up about their crappy customer service.
 
2013-02-26 12:01:14 AM

Thunderpipes: Funny how society doesn't attack chicks that whip their husbands, huh?


lol
Some men would pay good money for that kind of treatment.
 
2013-02-26 12:01:16 AM

Ryan2065: bigwf2007: Landen Gambill is the one who claims she is being threatened with an honor code violation for talking about her "rape.". She is the one who reported her boyfriend for an honor code violation for raping her. But I haven't found any explanation in any story I've read for why she didn't go to the police.

No, she isn't...  She was in an abusive relationship (sexually and verbally) with her boyfriend and when she ended the relationship he started to stalk her. She reported him for an honor code violation for stalking her. I'm guessing she just wanted it to stop and thought that was the easiest way to make it happen. For her efforts:

Link


When the relationship ended, she said she was met with months of stalking, threats and harassment.

Those actions lead her to press charges with the Honor Court. In her trial, Gambill said she was forced to answer irrelevant and inappropriate questions.

"The woman student said to me, 'Landen, as a woman, I know that if that had happened to me, I would've broken up with him the first time it happened. Will you explain to me why you didn't?'" she said.

Gambill said the court used her history of clinical depression and her suicide attempt - which she said was a result of her abusive relationship - against her.

"They implied that I was emotionally unstable and couldn't be telling the truth because I had attempted suicide," she said.

Gambill said the court's ignorance reflected a complete lack of training.

But Judicial Programs Officer Erik Hunter said the Honor Court members and the student attorney general's staff received a full day of training after the interim procedures were implemented.


From the article: "Obviously, I'm afraid. I never meant to make anyone mad at me [by speaking out]," Gambill told HuffPost. "I'm mostly surprised at just how crazy it is, that they're  willing to charge me with something just because my rapist is feeling uncomfortable."


She describes him as a rapist. The words rape or rapist appear four times in the Huffington Post article. The phrase "sexual assault" appears seven times.
 
2013-02-26 12:01:36 AM

Genevieve Marie: Actually, there are almost no school programs that teach consent. That's actually one of the bigger problems with abstinence education- it reinforces rape culture. The idea that you should always say no is totally at odds with human nature, and not only does it present some problems as far as teaching birth control and reproductive health, it also presents some problems as far as sexual consent goes.

If you tell people they're not ever allowed to say yes, and when that's particularly focused on women, a very screwy sexual dynamic emerges.


I must "this" this.  If you indoctrinate women from an early age to see all men as dangerous predators to be warded off with voodoo, what happens when the young woman meets a man she doesn't want to scare away?  How does the young woman react if a man she doesn't want tries to take without giving her a chance to say no?  You end up with more date rape, and sexual assault from platonic friends.  Empowering women to be sexually aggressive can, IMHO, go a long way to helping them feel more comfortable stopping a toucher dead in his tracks.  Figuratively, of course.

Not that any of that would have much effect on real violent psychopaths.
 
2013-02-26 12:01:45 AM
For some fresh outrage, I read this the other day, and spent some time trying to wrap my mind around it.

During an interview in her office, she offered a chilling example of a local woman who "got drunk at a party and passed out.

"She was raped by a couple of guys while her boyfriend filmed it," she said. "When she came to the next day, her boyfriend showed her the film of her having sex with these men and told her, 'I'm posting this on your Facebook page unless you let me pimp you out.' That's trafficking. That's coercion."


Dealing in flesh
 
2013-02-26 12:02:02 AM

Theaetetus: Thunderpipes: Now, given how extremely liberal all colleges are as well

... North Carolina.


Doesn't matter. All colleges are liberal, period, even in Texas. And ya, that crazy NC, soooooooo conservative!!! 2.2%, that is like a million!

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