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2013-02-25 10:53:36 PM  

Weaver95: Genevieve Marie: For all the inevitable Men's Rights "ZOMG FALSE RAPE" derp that will inevitably arise here: She has not named her rapist publicly. She is not harassing him personally. She is merely speaking about her rape along with two other women whose rapes were ignored by the school in support of an administrator who was fired for speaking out against the way  the school treats rape victims.

which even if you don't believe her story means you STILL have to support her right to speak up about how the school handled her situation.


Yup. But isn't it fascinating how rape threads always reveal ingrained misogyny? People IMMEDIATELY question the victim, her story, how she handled it and the way she's speaking without bothering to find the facts. The first instinct for some is always to white night an accused  rapist.

I don't think I will ever get to a place where I'm desensitized enough to not be creeped the hell out by that.
 
2013-02-25 10:54:02 PM  
 
2013-02-25 10:55:58 PM  

IgG4: Theaetetus: Somacandra: Weaver95: I cannot even begin to untangle the morass of lies, contradictions and bullshiat the right wing in this country has said they believe when it comes to the subject of rape in this country.

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I think this color-coded graphic helps sort the issues out well.

IgG4 is Orange, apparently. Shame, I farkied him as red 5.

Then how come you keep responding to me?


Because, Sparky, it's not about me thinking that you're an asshole. It's about tagging you as a predator for the good of the population.

See, the majority of men are not rapists. The majority of men should not be afraid of false accusations, and shouldn't be in fear that a clumsy advance should be considered sexual assault. Rather, rapists make up a small portion of the population, and they commit  multiple rapes - 6 on average. But they blend in to society, with half-jokes about rape victims asking for it, trying to diminish victims' credibility by saying that women who, say, failed to immediately contact the police* weren't legitimately raped.
And because it seems logical initially, and we non-rapists don't want to believe that there are such monsters in our midst, we say "yeah, that makes sense, she must have been lying." And the rational response from women is to fear that any man could be a rapist.

Well, shiat. Because of lies like that, both men and women are in fear. And that's wrong. Particularly when all we need to do is start identifying you. Because, if we get past our fear, you do stand out. You make jokes about rape. You demand that suspected rapists be innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but simultaneously demand that rape victims be guilty of slander unless they prove the rapist committed a crime beyond a reasonable doubt. Shiat, you identify yourselves, and, most importantly, you identify yourselves as being a  smallportion of the population. See, if we can tag you and count you, we can show that you're only about 10% or less of the population... and then no one, male or female, needs to live in fear. Because you'll be marked, and you'll be harmless.

There's really no excuse for the rest of us to stand idly by and let your words spew out unopposed. As long as people think you have any credibility, you're harmful to society.

*which you claimed about this victim, but isn't necessarily true. See the links above.
 
2013-02-25 10:56:13 PM  
This happen in Chapel Hill?  The East Coast Berkeley?  Unpossible!
 
2013-02-25 10:56:35 PM  

Theaetetus: IgG4: Theaetetus: IgG4: She sounds like a trouble maker to me. Multiple accusations against various men, exploiting what ever means she has at her disposal to make her political position heard? Sounds like trouble to me.

Hey, everyone! Sociopath Alert! Set your Farkies.

IgG4:"But I'm just making a joke! Get a sense of humor!"

Sure, sure, Sociopath.
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We're on to your kind.

What the hell are you talking about?

The proper response is, "oh, shiat, I didn't mean that seriously. Gosh, I now realize that was as inappropriate as McFarlane's jokes last night. I disavow that entire post and beg forgiveness."

Helpful tip: you can copy-paste the above via the edit menu.


Wait, it's inappropriate to ridicule rape apologists now?
 
2013-02-25 10:56:45 PM  

Somacandra: Theaetetus: In fact, the very mention of "boyfriend" is white knighting the rapist since you're the only person to suggest a boyfriend was involved.

Whoa there. I think s/he's talking about Laurent Gambill, who was just one of the filers:  "Gambill says she went to the Dean of Students Office to report an abusive ex-boyfriend for stalking in March 2012. She filed a complaint with the university's Honor Court system in the hopes that it'd be faster and less complicated than the legal system. But when the trial came in May, Gambill said the students and faculty on the Honor Court were focused on why she hadn't done anything to stop the alleged abuse. Gambill recounted one female student on the Honor Court who said that as a woman, she would have broken up with the alleged abuser after the first incident." That may be the confusion here. We're mixing up the different cases of survivors who all filed this complaint with the Feds.


Yes, Landen Gambill is the one being threatened with an honor code violation,not the others, and all the stories from locall media indicate it was her boyfriend she reported to the honor court for rape.
 
2013-02-25 10:58:01 PM  

Genevieve Marie: She has not named her rapist publicly. She is not harassing him personally.


Which I noticed and it was the coolest thing all day. You could look up the man, but no one cares enough to do that. People just want a story. A good "I was raped and the government did nothing." gets people all fired up and angry at the police for not solving rapes.

The only better thing would be people who publicly accuse one person of a crime being charged with that crime themselves if it turns out their accusation was known to be false to them.
 
2013-02-25 10:58:25 PM  
Genevieve Marie:
Yup. But isn't it fascinating how rape threads always reveal ingrained misogyny? People IMMEDIATELY question the victim, her story, how she handled it and the way she's speaking without bothering to find the facts. The first instinct for some is always to white night an accused  rapist.

I don't think I will ever get to a place where I'm desensitized enough to not be creeped the hell out by that.


yeah, but with Limbaugh and Fox News and the religious right out there constantly training their followers to believe that women who claim rape are all lying whores...can you really be surprised when you see someone blame the rape victim instead of asking questions about what actually happened...?
 
2013-02-25 10:58:25 PM  

Weaver95: Lunchlady: She better pray to God she can prove the things she's claiming beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise she is going to get the pants sued off her.

I don't think so.

look - her deal is that she didn't like how the university handled her claims of rape.  they didn't even acknowledge her and assumed she was lying without checking out her story.  she followed their rules, their procedures...didn't get satisfaction.  so she went to the next level.  now she got their attention and the response was to punish her for it.

even if you don't like her.  even if you don't believe her story...you STILL have to support her right to say she doesn't agree with how the school handled her situation.


Oh agreed. I went to a fairly large state college, I know how it works, she's probably in the right. I was just commenting that if the guy's name gets out and he suffers repercussions and there isn't hard evidence to actually convict him he'd be within his rights to sue her for slander and he'd probably win.
 
2013-02-25 10:58:55 PM  
Theaetetus: FTFA: "It's the venue in which Gambill attempted to resolve the sexual assault and stalking she claims she suffered at the hands of her ex-boyfriend. "

The article is (very) light on details and contains no comment from the University. All we have is the Huffington Post(who's trying to stir up controversy to generate clicks) and a clearly outraged woman. The story is totally one sided and without more details there's no way to know what actually happened. The fact that she tried to resolve the problem in university honor court and not through the police is unusual. I'm not passing blame and I'm not in any way implying that she's lying. But there is no way to tell from the facts presented(few and distorted as they are) what actually happened. You and several others seem very quick to assign blame without really understanding what's going on.
 
2013-02-25 10:59:16 PM  
bigwf2007:
Yes, Landen Gambill is the one being threatened with an honor code violation,not the others, and all the stories from locall media indicate it was her boyfriend she reported to the honor court for rape.

where are you seeing this at?
 
2013-02-25 10:59:17 PM  

bigwf2007: Landen Gambill is the one who claims she is being threatened with an honor code violation for talking about her "rape.". She is the one who reported her boyfriend for an honor code violation for raping her. But I haven't found any explanation in any story I've read for why she didn't go to the police.


No, she isn't...  She was in an abusive relationship (sexually and verbally) with her boyfriend and when she ended the relationship he started to stalk her. She reported him for an honor code violation for stalking her. I'm guessing she just wanted it to stop and thought that was the easiest way to make it happen. For her efforts:

Link


When the relationship ended, she said she was met with months of stalking, threats and harassment.

Those actions lead her to press charges with the Honor Court. In her trial, Gambill said she was forced to answer irrelevant and inappropriate questions.

"The woman student said to me, 'Landen, as a woman, I know that if that had happened to me, I would've broken up with him the first time it happened. Will you explain to me why you didn't?'" she said.

Gambill said the court used her history of clinical depression and her suicide attempt - which she said was a result of her abusive relationship - against her.

"They implied that I was emotionally unstable and couldn't be telling the truth because I had attempted suicide," she said.

Gambill said the court's ignorance reflected a complete lack of training.

But Judicial Programs Officer Erik Hunter said the Honor Court members and the student attorney general's staff received a full day of training after the interim procedures were implemented.
 
2013-02-25 10:59:56 PM  

doglover: The only better thing would be people who publicly accuse one person of a crime being charged with that crime themselves if it turns out their accusation was known to be false to them.


Why would you bring that up in a thread about rape?

It implies that false rape charges are something that happens regularly, when all available evidence says that rape is not falsely reported more than any other crime. And yet somehow, I never see "Well what if they're lying" brought up in home invasion stories.
 
2013-02-25 11:00:13 PM  

meanmutton: Theaetetus: IgG4: Theaetetus: IgG4: She sounds like a trouble maker to me. Multiple accusations against various men, exploiting what ever means she has at her disposal to make her political position heard? Sounds like trouble to me.

Hey, everyone! Sociopath Alert! Set your Farkies.

IgG4:"But I'm just making a joke! Get a sense of humor!"

Sure, sure, Sociopath.
[i1094.photobucket.com image 300x250]
We're on to your kind.

What the hell are you talking about?

The proper response is, "oh, shiat, I didn't mean that seriously. Gosh, I now realize that was as inappropriate as McFarlane's jokes last night. I disavow that entire post and beg forgiveness."

Helpful tip: you can copy-paste the above via the edit menu.

Wait, it's inappropriate to ridicule rape apologists now?


shiat, what, that wasn't ridicule? (sigh)
 
2013-02-25 11:00:14 PM  

gadian: Has he been convicted?  I'm not a GED holding law type, but I imagine that plays into the harassment angle just a little bit.


Dude, this is Fark.  No one cares if he is guilty or was ever even arrested, so long as someone has told the media he did it.
 
2013-02-25 11:00:15 PM  
FARK. THAT.

Give me this son of a biatch's name and I'll skywrite it in Chapel Hill. I'll pay for it myself.
 
2013-02-25 11:00:31 PM  

Somacandra: Theaetetus: In fact, the very mention of "boyfriend" is white knighting the rapist since you're the only person to suggest a boyfriend was involved.

Whoa there. I think s/he's talking about Laurent Gambill, who was just one of the filers:  "Gambill says she went to the Dean of Students Office to report an abusive ex-boyfriend for stalking in March 2012. She filed a complaint with the university's Honor Court system in the hopes that it'd be faster and less complicated than the legal system. But when the trial came in May, Gambill said the students and faculty on the Honor Court were focused on why she hadn't done anything to stop the alleged abuse. Gambill recounted one female student on the Honor Court who said that as a woman, she would have broken up with the alleged abuser after the first incident." That may be the confusion here. We're mixing up the different cases of survivors who all filed this complaint with the Feds.


Fair enough, and I withdraw that single point, Voiceofreason01. I stand by the comment that you're simultaneously calling the boyfriend innocent while suggesting the university is guilty of libel for the exact same instance. That inconsistency is still white knighting the rapist, if you believe your own words.
 
2013-02-25 11:00:38 PM  

Weaver95: Genevieve Marie:
Yup. But isn't it fascinating how rape threads always reveal ingrained misogyny? People IMMEDIATELY question the victim, her story, how she handled it and the way she's speaking without bothering to find the facts. The first instinct for some is always to white night an accused  rapist.

I don't think I will ever get to a place where I'm desensitized enough to not be creeped the hell out by that.

yeah, but with Limbaugh and Fox News and the religious right out there constantly training their followers to believe that women who claim rape are all lying whores...can you really be surprised when you see someone blame the rape victim instead of asking questions about what actually happened...?


I talk about feminism on the internet. Nothing misogynistic ever surprises me.
 
2013-02-25 11:00:51 PM  

Genevieve Marie: Weaver95: Genevieve Marie: For all the inevitable Men's Rights "ZOMG FALSE RAPE" derp that will inevitably arise here: She has not named her rapist publicly. She is not harassing him personally. She is merely speaking about her rape along with two other women whose rapes were ignored by the school in support of an administrator who was fired for speaking out against the way  the school treats rape victims.

which even if you don't believe her story means you STILL have to support her right to speak up about how the school handled her situation.

Yup. But isn't it fascinating how rape threads always reveal ingrained misogyny? People IMMEDIATELY question the victim, her story, how she handled it and the way she's speaking without bothering to find the facts. The first instinct for some is always to white night an accused  rapist.

I don't think I will ever get to a place where I'm desensitized enough to not be creeped the hell out by that.


Amen...I sincerely doubt those that go to the excuse of "well, if she didn't report it to the cops, obviously, it's a fake charge". Such a report and investigation is unpleasant, to say the very farkin' least, not to mention the cycle of blame, stigma and invasion that victim has to endure through a trial, if it ever makes it that far and department actually handles the charge correctly. I can't blame a victim for not going to the cops...it just reopens the wound over and over again.
 
2013-02-25 11:01:08 PM  

bigwf2007: I'm still not clear why she didn't go to the police.


"She filed a complaint with the university's Honor Court system in the hopes that it'd be faster and less complicated than the legal system." [1, paragraph 10]

Lunchlady: She better pray to God she can prove the things she's claiming beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise she is going to get the pants sued off her.


Not a chance; she's steadfastly refused to identify the guy, and most people around here (me included) can't work out who it is. Suing would be disastrously self-incriminating of the guy, and he wouldn't have a case, which is (from what I understand) exactly what she's going for.

Weaver95:if the school was getting reports from that many students who said that they woke up with fuzzy memories and physical evidence of rape then they are in serious trouble.  one or two students...ok, maybe I could see it as coincidence or 'he said/she said' student bullshiat.  let the cops sort it out and keep the two students away from one another for the rest of term.  but SIXTY girls all saying the same (or very similar) things!?  WTF man....that's insane.

We have a student body that's generally progressive and conscious of modern sexual politics, and we have an administration that's very much  not. So we have students who recognize they've been assaulted and staff that refuses to do the same. It's...I'm not sure how I feel about it. At least we know what's going on and have students who think to go public; I imagine that's not the same everywhere.
 
2013-02-25 11:01:30 PM  

Genevieve Marie: Weaver95: Genevieve Marie: For all the inevitable Men's Rights "ZOMG FALSE RAPE" derp that will inevitably arise here: She has not named her rapist publicly. She is not harassing him personally. She is merely speaking about her rape along with two other women whose rapes were ignored by the school in support of an administrator who was fired for speaking out against the way  the school treats rape victims.

which even if you don't believe her story means you STILL have to support her right to speak up about how the school handled her situation.

Yup. But isn't it fascinating how rape threads always reveal ingrained misogyny? People IMMEDIATELY question the victim, her story, how she handled it and the way she's speaking without bothering to find the facts. The first instinct for some is always to white night an accused  rapist.

I don't think I will ever get to a place where I'm desensitized enough to not be creeped the hell out by that.



Replace "rape" with "theft" or "murder".

Any discussion of lesser crimes (seriously - rape is the worst of the worst) that automatically grants the benefit of the doubt to the accuser would be dismissed out of hand because, seriously, accusing someone of stealing something isn't really enough.


//I also went to university.
///"Rape" is what happens when you do anything a woman doesn't like.
////And if you think that attitude is sick, well, I think assuming every man you meet is a rapist is pretty sick.
//Agree to disagree.
 
2013-02-25 11:01:34 PM  
I still don't get the thing about the honor charges to begin with.  Why?  Why not just have him arrested?  His school record and standing on campus will be remedied by an arrest for sexual assault and stalking.  Such a thing would be very far from my mind.  Then again, I've never had to deal with going to class with my rapist, so there is that.
 
2013-02-25 11:01:50 PM  
shiat, I barely raped anyone in college.
 
2013-02-25 11:02:17 PM  
Genevieve Marie:
I talk about feminism on the internet. Nothing misogynistic ever surprises me.

there's some real knuckle draggers here on fark, that's for sure.
 
2013-02-25 11:02:25 PM  

Weaver95: bigwf2007:
Yes, Landen Gambill is the one being threatened with an honor code violation,not the others, and all the stories from locall media indicate it was her boyfriend she reported to the honor court for rape.

where are you seeing this at?



This is how the article starts:
A University of North Carolina student says she faces possible expulsion for "intimidating" her alleged rapist by speaking publicly about her assault and how the school has handled it.
Landen Gambill, a sophomore at UNC, was part of a group that http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/unc-sexual-assault_n_2488383. html" target="_hplink">filed a complaint in January with the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights, alleging the university has routinely violated the rights of sexual assault survivors and failed to assist them in recovery after the reported abuse. Ten days after they filed their complaint, the graduate student attorney general sent a warning to Gambill that she may http://jezebel.com/5986693/college-rape-survivor-faces-potential-expul sion-for-intimidating-her-rapist" target="_hplink">have violated the school's Honor Code, Jezebel reports.
On Friday, Gambill got an email informing her that she was being formally charged with an Honor Code violation for "disruptive or intimidating behavior" against her alleged rapist, although she has never publicly named him. If the UNC Honor Court finds Gambill guilty, the http://jezebel.com/5986693/college-rape-survivor-faces-potential-expul sion-for-intimidating-her-rapist" target="_hplink">punishment could be expulsion, suspension
 
2013-02-25 11:03:27 PM  

Dokushin: Kazan: White Southern Men like Rape. More at 11

All (race) (region) (gender) are (criminals).

I'm honestly confused; are you being ironic, or...?


He's being Leftist. It's not individuals that are guilty of crimes, it's entire classes of individuals, and in our time white, heterosexual and male is the guiltiest class of all. Remember the Duke lacrosse team scandal? Long before the allegations were considered in a court of law, the "enlightened" liberal faculty at the university signed their names to a document suggesting that the accused were guilty BECAUSE SEXISM, BECAUSE RACISM etc. Even after the allegations were discredited, in fact, some of them still stuck to their narrative -- "because even if this particular accusation was a lie, okay, it was still the truth in a larger sense, right, because it's an immutable fact of nature that white men rape black women, y'know?" In other words, even though it was a lie, it was still true.

What you must always keep in mind is that the actual innocence and/or guilt of any given individual in the United States accused of a crime is of trivial importance in comparison to the degree to which their story reinforces the Narrative and its concomitant hierarchy of oppression. White fratboys accused of rape against white women are automatically guilty, because the fratboys outrank the women in the hierarchy of victimhood; but a black man accused of rape against a white woman is probably the object of a racist witchhunt. As Lenin would say, it's all a matter of "who-whom", i.e. who is doing what to whom. There is no objective standard of justice.
 
2013-02-25 11:03:34 PM  

Ryan2065: But Judicial Programs Officer Erik Hunter said the Honor Court members and the student attorney general's staff received a full day of training after the interim procedures were implemented.


Ooooo, a whole day of training! I'm sure that straightened everyone out!
 
2013-02-25 11:03:40 PM  

Theaetetus: Voiceofreason01: Nowhere in the article or the articles posted in the comments does it say she went to the police and nobody has been charged with a crime. I'm not going to come and white knight a rapist but there's also no real evidence that the boyfriend raped anybody.

The article does not ever name the boyfriend, but you said: "If we look at the evidence so far the boyfriend might have a good libel case against her and the university." Trying to fall back on the evidence in the article  now means that yes, you  were trying to white knight a rapist.
In fact, the very mention of "boyfriend" is white knighting the rapist  since you're the only person to suggest a boyfriend was involved.

I might believe that University is covering things up but are you asserting that the local and State police are just ignoring accusations of rape?

If you "might believe that University is covering things up" then why did you say that "theboyfriend might have a good libel case against... the university"? This is inconsistent: you say some boyfriend you dreamed up (because it's not mentioned anywhere in the article) has a libel case against the university, but admit that the university could be covering up a rape.

But yes, I'll be frank: you're not really white knighting a rapist, you're  attacking a rape victim to destroy her credibility, based on your imagined "boyfriend" and accusations against the university.

/Interestingly I have you farkied as a troll.

I bet you can guess how I have you farkied, and in what color.


Dude, (dudette?), really? You really think this random stranger is attacking a rape victim, with the driven purpose of destroying her credibility, because he's a sociopath? My god you're a complete loon.
 
2013-02-25 11:03:44 PM  
Where the hell am I living? Did I go to sleep in the 20th century and wake up after honor and justice and decency were outlawed? Pedophile priests protected by popes, bungling bankers bankrolled by bureaucrats, and now rapists rudely razzed. WTF America?!

Someone fold up the flag and eat the last piece of apple pie...we're finished.
 
2013-02-25 11:04:01 PM  

bigwf2007: Weaver95: bigwf2007:
Yes, Landen Gambill is the one being threatened with an honor code violation,not the others, and all the stories from locall media indicate it was her boyfriend she reported to the honor court for rape.

where are you seeing this at?


This is how the article starts:
A University of North Carolina student says she faces possible expulsion for "intimidating" her alleged rapist by speaking publicly about her assault and how the school has handled it.
Landen Gambill, a sophomore at UNC, was part of a group that http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/unc-sexual-assault_n_2488383. html" target="_hplink">filed a complaint in January with the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights, alleging the university has routinely violated the rights of sexual assault survivors and failed to assist them in recovery after the reported abuse. Ten days after they filed their complaint, the graduate student attorney general sent a warning to Gambill that she may http://jezebel.com/5986693/college-rape-survivor-faces-potential-expul sion-for-intimidating-her-rapist" target="_hplink">have violated the school's Honor Code, Jezebel reports.
On Friday, Gambill got an email informing her that she was being formally charged with an Honor Code violation for "disruptive or intimidating behavior" against her alleged rapist, although she has never publicly named him. If the UNC Honor Court finds Gambill guilty, the http://jezebel.com/5986693/college-rape-survivor-faces-potential-expul sion-for-intimidating-her-rapist" target="_hplink">punishment could be expulsion, suspension


I see nothing in that to support your allegations.
 
2013-02-25 11:04:39 PM  

ModernLuddite: ///"Rape" is what happens when you do anything a woman doesn't like.
////And if you think that attitude is sick, well, I think assuming every man you meet is a rapist is pretty sick.


"I think rape accusations are always false because all it is is someone doing something to a woman that she doesn't like sexually"- the implication being that women don't have any right to say no and have that respected.

And you know, if all the women you meet act like you might be a rapist, you might want to think long and hard about why that is.

/Pro tip: It's because you sound like a rapist.
 
2013-02-25 11:04:42 PM  
And now it's in the news, the school has already lost.
 
2013-02-25 11:05:54 PM  

Pharmdawg: Where the hell am I living? Did I go to sleep in the 20th century and wake up after honor and justice and decency were outlawed? Pedophile priests protected by popes, bungling bankers bankrolled by bureaucrats, and now rapists rudely razzed. WTF America?!

Someone fold up the flag and eat the last piece of apple pie...we're finished.


In all fairness, this stuff has always happened.
 
2013-02-25 11:06:11 PM  

Pharmdawg: Where the hell am I living? Did I go to sleep in the 20th century and wake up after honor and justice and decency were outlawed? Pedophile priests protected by popes, bungling bankers bankrolled by bureaucrats, and now rapists rudely razzed. WTF America?!

Someone fold up the flag and eat the last piece of apple pie...we're finished.


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There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Give me your pump, the oil, the gasoline, and the whole compound, and I'll spare your lives. Just walk away and we'll give you a safe passageway in the wastelands. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror.
 
2013-02-25 11:06:20 PM  

blueviking: Genevieve Marie: Weaver95: Genevieve Marie: For all the inevitable Men's Rights "ZOMG FALSE RAPE" derp that will inevitably arise here: She has not named her rapist publicly. She is not harassing him personally. She is merely speaking about her rape along with two other women whose rapes were ignored by the school in support of an administrator who was fired for speaking out against the way  the school treats rape victims.

which even if you don't believe her story means you STILL have to support her right to speak up about how the school handled her situation.

Yup. But isn't it fascinating how rape threads always reveal ingrained misogyny? People IMMEDIATELY question the victim, her story, how she handled it and the way she's speaking without bothering to find the facts. The first instinct for some is always to white night an accused  rapist.

I don't think I will ever get to a place where I'm desensitized enough to not be creeped the hell out by that.

Amen...I sincerely doubt those that go to the excuse of "well, if she didn't report it to the cops, obviously, it's a fake charge". Such a report and investigation is unpleasant, to say the very farkin' least, not to mention the cycle of blame, stigma and invasion that victim has to endure through a trial, if it ever makes it that far and department actually handles the charge correctly. I can't blame a victim for not going to the cops...it just reopens the wound over and over again.


But going to an "Honor Court", in which, if the rapist is found guilty, the maximum penalty is **gasp** expulsion, is "easier"?

fark that. If he's a rapist, contact the police.
 
2013-02-25 11:06:38 PM  

Weaver95: Theaetetus: IgG4: She sounds like a trouble maker to me... Sounds like trouble to me.

Who even repeats themselves this way? Someone frothing with rage.

I wonder if he's one of those 'legitimate rape' Republican types....?


What a 'legitimate rape' Republican type looks like:

www.topnews.in
media1.policymic.com
 
2013-02-25 11:06:45 PM  
Why is this even a school issue?  What happened to her was not a violation of school rules.  What happened to her was a horrific crime!  It should have been a matter for the police, not some "honor court" run by her fellow students.  While I have sympathy for her in regards to being raped, I have no sympathy for her if she never reported the crime to the police and instead sought to have the school handle the whole thing.
 
2013-02-25 11:06:59 PM  

kendelrio: But going to an "Honor Court", in which, if the rapist is found guilty, the maximum penalty is **gasp** expulsion, is "easier"?

fark that. If he's a rapist, contact the police.


Do you have any idea what that process is like for a rape victim?
 
2013-02-25 11:08:10 PM  
UNC sucks!
 
2013-02-25 11:08:16 PM  

Mock26: Why is this even a school issue?  What happened to her was not a violation of school rules.  What happened to her was a horrific crime!  It should have been a matter for the police, not some "honor court" run by her fellow students.  While I have sympathy for her in regards to being raped, I have no sympathy for her if she never reported the crime to the police and instead sought to have the school handle the whole thing.


except that there's indications that she DID speak to the cops about what happened.  then she told the school about it and they were entirely unsympathetic to her situation.
 
2013-02-25 11:09:20 PM  
Not to worry, the college is going to ...

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... organize a special blue ribbon, fact-finding commission
 
2013-02-25 11:09:30 PM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: FARK. THAT.

Give me this son of a biatch's name and I'll skywrite it in Chapel Hill. I'll pay for it myself.


But but but YER HONOR!

It reminds me of that old Kids in the Hall Sketch.

OK, People in positions of authority...what did they say you were never supposed to do when someone is raped?
Never...never attack the victim...never attack the...never...never attack...always...always attack...always attack the victim! AAAAAAARRRRRRGHHH!
 
2013-02-25 11:09:36 PM  

Voiceofreason01: The fact that she tried to resolve the problem in university honor court and not through the police is unusual.


Not so. The University Honor Court had jurisdiction over sexual assault and harassment claims and most students chose not to pursue criminal charges:
The only recourse for students who opted not to go to the court was to seek criminal charges, which most chose not to do, Manning said. That means most perpetrators would go completely unpunished.
The fact that she tried to resolve the problem this way and not through the police is entirelynormal, even if we disagree with the wisdom and result.
 
2013-02-25 11:09:41 PM  
 alleged rapist
 
2013-02-25 11:09:54 PM  
If anything the University is guilty of allowing anything having even peripherally involved with a crime as serious as rape to be dealt with in a public forum. It is testament to how truly farked up the situation has gotten that the press has become involved and that the university honor court was ever involved.
 
2013-02-25 11:10:31 PM  
Data from a national violence against women survey suggested that one of the primary reasons why women didn't report rape to police was that they expected to be treated as if they did something wrong.  Another reason was they felt they wouldn't be believed.  Still another was that they felt they would be laughed at.  Add to that the treatment of women who were raped by police, and you farking morons with your "just contact police" bullshiat clearly haven't dealt with the police or prosecutors or media as a rape victim.  RAPEAPOLOGIST OL.
 
2013-02-25 11:11:26 PM  

Genevieve Marie: And yet somehow, I never see "Well what if they're lying" brought up in home invasion stories.


Maybe it's because people get all stupid and emotional about sex crimes.

A man knocks over a few houses in a Mickey Mouse mask, gets busted, finds Jesus, and soon he gets a book deal for being the Rodent Robber and a lucrative career as a home security expert. People love that shiat.

Meanwhile, a man gets accused of rape, but proven innocent later, people still get all bent outta shape and want to lynch him years after because accusations make headlines but retractions get printed on the back page.
 
2013-02-25 11:11:32 PM  

Genevieve Marie: kendelrio: But going to an "Honor Court", in which, if the rapist is found guilty, the maximum penalty is **gasp** expulsion, is "easier"?

fark that. If he's a rapist, contact the police.

Do you have any idea what that process is like for a rape victim?


Having had a sister raped, several friends raped, yes, I know the trauma. Also, have you ever lived in Hawaii?
 
2013-02-25 11:11:32 PM  

Big Dave: In this country we talk about how women can avoid rape, or what she should do about a pregnancy that results from rape, but we do not tell our men not to rape.

I have had women friends show me whistles, steak knives, and other implements they carry with them at all times to hopefully ward off a rapist.  I have sat in a room of 25 other college football players and heard them all agree that, if they were raping a girl anyway, they may as well sodomize her while they were at it.  And I have seen teenage girls dragged through the mud by the media when they dare go public against their accusers.


You know, no one had to tell me "not to rape."  Just like no one had to tell me not to murder.  Frankly, I find it pretty farking offensive when people say this -- that they think men have to be "trained" not to rape.  There are criminals among us.  We need to do more to look after their mental health and to perhaps cure them of the diseases that destroy their ability to reason.  But men are not criminals, and they do not need to be taught how to have respect for others.   All men are not potential rapists, and they don't deserve to be treated like they are.
 
2013-02-25 11:13:07 PM  

debug: alleged rapist


You realize that just because people keep saying that, it doesn't make it any different.  When someone is murdered there is a murderer, whether or not that murderer is convicted.  You can be a rapist without being prosecuted.  Plus, read the f*cking article, because the woman in question doesn't farking know who raped her.
 
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