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2013-02-25 05:41:04 PM
6 votes:

codergirl42: cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?

If I wanted to know if my kid is fat and whether or not it's causing health problems for them I'll ask the pediatrician who has my kids complete medical history. I don't need some busy body school nurse writing me a strongly worded letter becuase she thinks my kid is unhealthy based on what the scale says.

//Doesn't have a kid.


What do you think these letters are for? The school nurses that check BMI are not taking a full medical history and making a diagnosis. They are simply telling you that your kid is a fat tub of goo. You can do what you want with that information. Good parents will talk to their pediatrician about it and determine what if anything needs to be done about it. Stupid parents will just biatch and moan and then order pizza for dinner for the third night in a row.
2013-02-25 08:39:01 PM
5 votes:

codergirl42: Based on the flawed BMI scale


i'm a huge critic of the BMI scale, but it isn't outright wrong. Get off your farking soap box. Bad parents making for fat children need a smack upside the head. MGood parents making fat children need a reminder that they can raise healthy children.

/former fat child
//Currently healthy active outdoorsman.
2013-02-25 05:15:47 PM
5 votes:

codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.


I don't see how this is any different from school nurses checking for head lice or scoliosis.
2013-02-25 09:07:42 PM
4 votes:

dj_bigbird: Wow, people are still using BMI to evaluate an individual's health? What's next? Phrenology?


The vast majority of adults, and moreso children, lack the muscle mass to throw off the charts. Even more rarely would it push someone from healthy to obese.

You sound big boned.
2013-02-25 05:21:45 PM
4 votes:

codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.


Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?
2013-02-25 07:07:35 PM
3 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: max_pooper: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

I don't see how this is any different from school nurses checking for head lice or scoliosis.

Your examples involve judgment.  "Is that a louse or just a gnat?"  These letters go out based on calculations that neglect relevant data. "Is that fat or muscle?"


Doesn't matter. That's why it's a letter and not a diagnosis. If a kid is too heavy for his height he gets a letter sent home. It's the parents job to determine what to do about it. Responsible parents will do the responsible thing. Stupid parents will whine about it.
2013-02-25 05:18:37 PM
3 votes:
They should take each letter, and put it in a massive box full of packing popcorn. When it arrives at the parent's house, they have to dig and dig just to find the letter. When they open it, it'll say "Did you see how fat and useless this package was? Your child is even worse."
2013-02-25 11:05:25 PM
2 votes:
Lotta butthurt fatties in here. Get off your lazy asses, do a little exercise, and lay off the fast food. You're gross and unhealthy. Better yourself.
2013-02-25 09:57:30 PM
2 votes:
Look at the lunch menu's. http://www.aps1.net/index.aspx?NID=92

Just a sample:
* mozzarella sticks
* Chicken nuggets
* Domino's or Papa Gino's pizza
* 3 layer cheesy beans
* Mac & cheese

At least they are learning to eat right at school.

/sarcasm off
2013-02-25 09:31:52 PM
2 votes:
I'm about as libertarian as they come and normally wouldn't hear of the state doing such things but.....

My missus is a Master's trained school nurse, and it's her job to screen the kids and send out the dreaded "fat letters."

A couple of points. MA might be an exception, but in most places these letters only go out to families where the kid is morbidly obese. A little chub or a roll of baby fat does not get this response. I'm aware of 200lb 2nd graders.

The parents often really, truly, do not have a clue there is a problem. This usually happens when the 'rents are plus size themselves.

For the kids this is an often a way to get their parent to give them the help the kids want. Many of these kids are a lot more aware of the problem than their parents.

If the school is -whether it ought to be or not is debatable and not the question here- in the public health business, then they have to protect themselves by identifying such obvious (and lawsuit ripe) problems and demonstrate a willingness to help.

If you can look at a 200lb 8 yer old and not want to help them parent's rights be dammed then you deserve to be beaten to death with a copy of Atlas Shrugged. These are kids dagnabbit and if their parents are that friggin' dumb then somebody oughtta do something.
2013-02-25 09:15:59 PM
2 votes:
Yes there are ways to throw BMI off. Yes, a lot of muscle or being on the short side with slightly above average fat and or/muscle can throw it off.

But those cases are few and far between. Just like "a glandular problem" can absolutely cause weight gain that is largely out of the person's control. But for every 1 person with a real glandular problem, there are 10 who claim it when they're really just lazy and unhealthy. Same goes for the BMI scale. Sure there are some people who really are healthy but have bad BMI ratings because of their body type. I know a guy in my Army unit who fails the weight test every time he takes it but still scores a 300+ on his PT test. He's short, stocky, and works out like 2 hours a day. But because of his body type, the BMI scale calls him fat. But that's not the norm. It's not even common. Chances are if you fail the BMI test, you're just fat.

Don't use it as the end-all be--all of health. Use it as a stepping stone. If you're really healthy and the test was wrong, shrug it off. But chances are it's just fat.
2013-02-25 09:13:11 PM
2 votes:
BMI is only tangentially related to body fat percentage, and has lots of outliers where athletic people are mislabeled as obese.  Surely the medical community could come up with a better system?
2013-02-25 08:16:54 PM
2 votes:
Cameron, a member of the North Andover Booster Club wrestling team and the Doughboy Wrestling Club, and he's also a football player. How could he be "obese,"

Right, because you never see obese wrestlers or football players.
2013-02-25 07:08:54 PM
2 votes:
Punch the numbers (sex, height, weight, age) of my grandsons (both of them) into the online BMI calculator, and they both come back as OBESE.

Leave the other figures as is, and bump the AGE up by 2 years, the older one comes back as mid-range normal, while the younger one is borderline UNDERWEIGHT.

/Your calculator sucks
2013-02-25 06:16:20 PM
2 votes:

codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.


If your little slugger has tits in 6th grade I don't think a medical degree is necessary. Plus they've been measuring fitness and BMI crap since I was in grade school decades not too long ago.
2013-02-25 05:23:15 PM
2 votes:
Wow, people are still using BMI to evaluate an individual's health? What's next? Phrenology?
2013-02-25 05:08:41 PM
2 votes:
Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.
2013-02-26 03:00:33 PM
1 votes:
The problem here is that these "fat letters" do nothing about the health of children that might fall perfectly within the "acceptable" BMI range, but are sedentary and eat garbage all day long.  We serve kids stuff just passable as food, we cut PE and nutrition education, and then we're surprised that kids (and adults) grow up ignorant about health.  You can be lean and tall and still be sitting around eating cheetos and playing video games all day.  You're not healthy, you just look the part.  If we're really serious about health, and not just about body size, we'd take measures to ensure that ALL children are getting what they need.
2013-02-26 12:23:14 PM
1 votes:
Both of my boys are slender and at around the 10th percentile for bmi at their ages, so I am constantly being told by my in-laws that they are too skinny, particularly if I tell them they can't have dessert unless they finish their vegetables.  My mother-in-law and her entire clan are a bunch of land whales that love accusing me of starving the poor babies.  The pediatrician raves about how healthy and strong they are, so the mother-in-law calls him a "quack."  America...
2013-02-26 11:38:09 AM
1 votes:

Mose: I suppose there's a reason someone named it "body mass index" and not "body fat index" or some such other thing.  As if anything that has mass, and not just fat, might contribute.  Perhaps if they used a better indicator, there'd be fewer complaints?  Like using a ruler as a hammer... "well this is a crappy ruler, you can't even drive a 10d nail with it!"

I'd be fine with schools changing up the food they provide to encourage healthier eating, and gym classes with intelligently designed activity to get eveyone moving and leaving it at that.

Even when I was a kid, it was generally accepted in our community that school food wasn't that healthy.  I got packed lunches the vast majority of the time and buying lunch was dangled over my head as a treat.


You are not special, and there is nothing remarkable about your mass distribution.  If you are charted overweight or obese by the BMI, chances are 99% that you just are, and none of the lies you tell yourself will make it different.  You know why doctors use it as a common easily applied indicator of obesity?  Cause it works just fine unless you're a professional football player.  And guess what!?  If you ARE just a big slab of muscles, they don't look at your BMI and say, "You're too fat, lose weight."  They just don't talk to you about it because they can clearly see you're a tank and they don't need to tell you about taking care of yourself.

"What does that ignorant doctor know about MY health, I'm ME, he's just some guy," is some of the craziest delusional behavior I've ever seen someone exhibit, and you see it all the time.  These idiots getting positive reinforcement from other lardos about how educated people who specialize in healthcare are less able to understand their personal situation than people who barely made it out of high school sicken me.
2013-02-26 02:07:30 AM
1 votes:
So they only get BMI through height and weight? 
At least get the fat percentage number in there too. No need to weigh them in water, just get a general idea with a few skinfold measurements...

And btw, yes you can get an F in PE, mostly when the teachers expect you and your weird heart to go from rest to fast in a bleep test and not pop 180bpm with a heartrate monitor on you... Never spent more time in a gym on that semester than i did in every year before combined. Seems i should've had that confirmed by a doc, too late now. That school's been sued by a guy just because he failed a single heartrate test, pretty much my situation, except he was in way better shape.
2013-02-26 12:56:59 AM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: They should take each letter, and put it in a massive box full of packing popcorn. When it arrives at the parent's house, they have to dig and dig just to find the letter. When they open it, it'll say "Did you see how fat and useless this package was? Your child is even worse."


I read the contents of the letter in GladOS's voice.  And it fit.
2013-02-26 12:49:25 AM
1 votes:

max_pooper: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

I don't see how this is any different from school nurses checking for head lice or scoliosis.


I loathed the scoliosis screening. Why yes, we are aware of if. No we are not a candidate for surgery. I have a fantastic pediatrician and your cracker jack RN degree does not override the specialists. Just what I want to do in the middle of the school day is take off my shirt in front of strangers.

Not you personally but the management and nurses were WAY ahead of the present day failboat. This was 15 years ago too.
2013-02-25 11:53:38 PM
1 votes:
You can tell who is fat just by looking at them, but you aren't allowed to say they're fat based on that alone, because they get mad when you remind them they look fat.

This is where the BMI comes in. SCIENCE says they're fat, and they can continue to delude themselves about their appearance.
2013-02-25 11:16:38 PM
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: dj_bigbird: Wow, people are still using BMI to evaluate an individual's health? What's next? Phrenology?

The vast majority of adults, and moreso children, lack the muscle mass to throw off the charts. Even more rarely would it push someone from healthy to obese.

You sound big boned.


You sound like you've never actually seen a range of children.

/Because yes, BMI is completely useless for children, children  do not fit growth scales on nice neat models. They would do better with a fat percentage; you can do that in ten seconds with a thing that looks like a Nintendo.
//Seriously, if  Curves can figure this out, our public school system should be able to cope.
2013-02-25 10:36:47 PM
1 votes:

occamswrist: 6'2" 190 lbs and bmi says I'm 5 lbs from obese. Glad im not a fattie (yet)...


Uh, not according to the calculator I just checked.

It says you are 24.4. 30 is obese and if you were 225 you still wouldn't score a thirty.

This calculator didn't ask for age though.
2013-02-25 10:33:46 PM
1 votes:
You all sound fat.
2013-02-25 10:29:39 PM
1 votes:
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2013-02-25 10:23:18 PM
1 votes:
Not wierd at all and it is about time. That is one of the primary issues this nation has with obesity: most folks who are dont realize they are.  I feel sorry for the kid mentioned in the article.  Dad laughs at the notice while the kid continues on a path to an early death.
2013-02-25 10:07:22 PM
1 votes:
Look around you in a supermarket or read the newspaper, there are plenty of parents who need to be made aware of their blindness and self-denial regarding their children. A lot more of these wake-up notices are needed coast to coast regarding many children's situations.

Talk to a few intelligent and experienced school teachers. They can tell you all sorts of stories about parents they would like to shake until they wake up and catch the fark on.
2013-02-25 10:04:35 PM
1 votes:

The Irresponsible Captain: lack of warmth: If they are going to check the kids' health out, nothing new in public schools, atleast they only sent letters to the house. Imagine if they announced the 'fat letters' in front of the whole school, not that kids need to be told who's fat.

It might help. Somebody should figure out how to keep the kids from turning out like the blobs in Wall-E.


stop feeding em damned McMilkshakes
and ALSO install treadmills on the damned ship

hell even Holiday Inn Expresses have them

and exercise is like gay nowadays (popular)
2013-02-25 10:03:20 PM
1 votes:

lack of warmth: If they are going to check the kids' health out, nothing new in public schools, atleast they only sent letters to the house. Imagine if they announced the 'fat letters' in front of the whole school, not that kids need to be told who's fat.


It might help. Somebody should figure out how to keep the kids from turning out like the blobs in Wall-E.
2013-02-25 09:52:30 PM
1 votes:
Fat parent in TFA: "He's a member of the North Andover Booster Club wrestling team and the Doughboy Wrestling Club, and he's also a football player. How could he be 'obese'?"

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2013-02-25 09:45:17 PM
1 votes:
ACunningPlan:

Pretty much agree with everything - except my kids have to have an annual physical for school.  No 8 yr old goes from normal to 200 lb in twelve months, so why aren't the docs picking this up?  From a lawsuit perspective wouldn't the primary physician be easier & riper [should that be fatter] pickings to go after?

You're likely right, but having been a school administrator, you HAVE NO IDEA how lawsuit paranoid schools are. I never did, but I could totally see sending a letter like this just so I could put a copy in the kids's file in case he sues us in 20 years for not protecting him from the junk food monster or some such.
2013-02-25 09:44:18 PM
1 votes:
Sad that my school didn't send letters out like that when I was a kid.  I wasn't fat, just a bully.  Nothing says "Kick this kid's ass!" like a bunch of kids getting letters from the school calling them fat.  Especially after calling them fat all year long, then they get a letter from the school saying that they are fat.  Kill their self esteem and bullying becomes so much easier.
2013-02-25 09:44:14 PM
1 votes:
When do the 'ugly' and 'stupid' letters go out?
2013-02-25 09:40:59 PM
1 votes:

rockin_science: Hmm. What's interesting to me is the reaction the parents will have when they get this letter.

In my district-I'm a teacher-administrators are terrified of parents and any possible litigation.  This is b/c schools in most rural areas, at least in Oregon, cannot possibly provide all the services required by law, and still give kids the education they need. So, we fly by the seat of our pants and patch holes as they present themselves.

A letter telling parents their kid is fat would motivate already frustrated parents to retaliate, and if parents begin to look, they are sure to find legit grievances.

My guess is this was mandated by someone with no true knowledge of what is currently going on in American classrooms.


Sounds to me that they know more about what's going on in American classrooms and cafeterias than your cover-your-legal-ass shiatty school system.

Maybe you haven't heard...but this country seems too have a bit of an obesity problem...some say this might start to manifest itself in childhood obesity...

News at 11.
2013-02-25 09:31:09 PM
1 votes:
dilbert.com
2013-02-25 09:27:52 PM
1 votes:
Hmm. What's interesting to me is the reaction the parents will have when they get this letter.

In my district-I'm a teacher-administrators are terrified of parents and any possible litigation.  This is b/c schools in most rural areas, at least in Oregon, cannot possibly provide all the services required by law, and still give kids the education they need. So, we fly by the seat of our pants and patch holes as they present themselves.

A letter telling parents their kid is fat would motivate already frustrated parents to retaliate, and if parents begin to look, they are sure to find legit grievances.

My guess is this was mandated by someone with no true knowledge of what is currently going on in American classrooms.
2013-02-25 09:15:01 PM
1 votes:
I just hope the school is feeding the children a steady diet of milk, ketchup, bread, potatoes, and sugar each and every day.

codergirl42:

What a fatty based on the BMI scale might look like.

[shechive.files.wordpress.com image 500x689]


You sound fat.
2013-02-25 09:12:41 PM
1 votes:
Meh, just lower the standards for the BMI, they have lowered the standards on everything else in schools.
2013-02-25 09:09:56 PM
1 votes:
I thought "raising awareness" was a good thing.  Don't people want their awareness raised?
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2013-02-25 09:05:28 PM
1 votes:

codergirl42: Last I checked being a fatty-fat-fatty was pretty noticible. If the parents cared they'd already have seen a pediatrician instead of waiting for the school nurse to send a letter notifying them of thier fatty-fat-fatness.


*checks profile*

o_0

*backs away slowly*
2013-02-25 09:04:38 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: I was always told that I was too skinny by everyone when I was a kid, why is it unacceptable to  call someone out as being a fat fark? Especially when being fat is more unhealthy than being skinny?


Because fat is the new normal.

It is now abnormal to be of a healthy weight.  Skinny is the out group, fat is the in group, and you're going to get ganged up on if you dare tell someone they might be leading an unhealthy lifestyle.
2013-02-25 09:04:28 PM
1 votes:
I recall having my sight and hearing checked a few times at school by outside personnel, so the article didn't say who actually determined the BMI of the students.  If they are going to check the kids' health out, nothing new in public schools, atleast they only sent letters to the house.  Imagine if they announced the 'fat letters' in front of the whole school, not that kids need to be told who's fat.

Public schools will always stick their noses into the health and well-being of the kids, because there are a lot of families that barely know how to raise them.  Intrusive, sure, necessary, in some cases it is.  I recall having classmates that weren't the healthiest or hygienic.  Usually, schools keep things like that hushed and only in between them and the parents.  Here is a thought, don't make it public knowledge and no one would know about the letter.
2013-02-25 08:00:19 PM
1 votes:
I was always told that I was too skinny by everyone when I was a kid, why is it unacceptable to  call someone out as being a fat fark? Especially when being fat is more unhealthy than being skinny?
2013-02-25 06:47:05 PM
1 votes:

max_pooper: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

I don't see how this is any different from school nurses checking for head lice or scoliosis.


Your examples involve judgment.  "Is that a louse or just a gnat?"  These letters go out based on calculations that neglect relevant data. "Is that fat or muscle?"
2013-02-25 05:52:49 PM
1 votes:
Last I checked being a fatty-fat-fatty was pretty noticible. If the parents cared they'd already have seen a pediatrician instead of waiting for the school nurse to send a letter notifying them of thier fatty-fat-fatness.
2013-02-25 05:10:52 PM
1 votes:
How about they reintroduce home ec and stop feeding the kids crap in the cafeteria?
2013-02-25 04:55:33 PM
1 votes:
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