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2013-02-25 10:41:37 PM  

codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.


I would venture to say that these school officials are not qualified to tie their own shoes,

Really, there needs to be a constitutional amendment to demand some sort of qualifying standards for what is an extremely important and demanding job. It would certainly exclude those with room temperature IQs.
 
2013-02-25 10:42:23 PM  

codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.


Wow, you need a medical expert to tell you if your kid is fat?
 
2013-02-25 10:42:51 PM  

max_pooper: codergirl42: cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?

If I wanted to know if my kid is fat and whether or not it's causing health problems for them I'll ask the pediatrician who has my kids complete medical history. I don't need some busy body school nurse writing me a strongly worded letter becuase she thinks my kid is unhealthy based on what the scale says.

//Doesn't have a kid.

What do you think these letters are for? The school nurses that check BMI are not taking a full medical history and making a diagnosis. They are simply telling you that your kid is a fat tub of goo. You can do what you want with that information. Good parents will talk to their pediatrician about it and determine what if anything needs to be done about it. Stupid parents will just biatch and moan and then order pizza for dinner for the third night in a row.


And wash it down with soda.
 
2013-02-25 10:46:53 PM  

GilRuiz1: I thought "raising awareness" was a good thing.  Don't people want their awareness raised?
[www.lupus.org image 255x270]


Not if they're fat and stupid or fat and scared out of their wits by Faux News
 
2013-02-25 10:48:47 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?



Kind of sad being too dumb to recognize your kid is fat or may be borderline to it.  Seriously, only someone with a doctorate could possibly recognize that.

How to tell if your kid is on the fast track for being fat:
a)  you call the police because they're missing from their usual spot in front of the microwave, computer, or tv
b)  you know every detail about their recent appearance and dress because, chances are, they're parked in their usual spot for hours on end: long enough for the details to be burned into your brain.

How to tell if your kid is getting enough exercise:
a)  you don't bother calling the police when they're missing because "missing" is their normal state of being
b)  Should the police finally call you to identify your kid, you give them a non-committed "maybe that one" as you can't quite remember what they look like as thy're always outside doing something
 
2013-02-25 11:03:53 PM  

Xythero: I don't understand the outrage.  If your get a fat letter and you're kid is just "muscular,"  just concede that BMI isn't perfect and throw the letter away.  No one is making you do anything.


www.alexallied.combbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2013-02-25 11:05:25 PM  
Lotta butthurt fatties in here. Get off your lazy asses, do a little exercise, and lay off the fast food. You're gross and unhealthy. Better yourself.
 
2013-02-25 11:07:46 PM  
If you don't know that your fat kid is fat unless somebody tells you, you might be a moran.
 
2013-02-25 11:09:52 PM  

Xythero: I don't understand the outrage.  If your get a fat letter and you're kid is just "muscular,"  just concede that BMI isn't perfect and throw the letter away.  No one is making you do anything.


B...but they called my baby "fat"!  I'll have them know I make sure he only eats whole wheat Lean Pockets!
 
2013-02-25 11:10:06 PM  

codergirl42: Last I checked being a fatty-fat-fatty was pretty noticible. If the parents cared they'd already have seen a pediatrician instead of waiting for the school nurse to send a letter notifying them of thier fatty-fat-fatness.

taken away the kids' computers and video games, stopped buying junk food and starchy snacks, and made them get some exercise.

FTFY
 
2013-02-25 11:13:05 PM  
ct.fra.bz
 
2013-02-25 11:16:38 PM  

Smackledorfer: dj_bigbird: Wow, people are still using BMI to evaluate an individual's health? What's next? Phrenology?

The vast majority of adults, and moreso children, lack the muscle mass to throw off the charts. Even more rarely would it push someone from healthy to obese.

You sound big boned.


You sound like you've never actually seen a range of children.

/Because yes, BMI is completely useless for children, children  do not fit growth scales on nice neat models. They would do better with a fat percentage; you can do that in ten seconds with a thing that looks like a Nintendo.
//Seriously, if  Curves can figure this out, our public school system should be able to cope.
 
2013-02-25 11:17:21 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Boss Vic Koss: Look at the lunch menu's. http://www.aps1.net/index.aspx?NID=92

Just a sample:
* mozzarella sticks
* Chicken nuggets
* Domino's or Papa Gino's pizza
* 3 layer cheesy beans
* Mac & cheese

At least they are learning to eat right at school.

/sarcasm off

When my mom suggested to a school dietician that maybe the food should be healthy, her reply was "We think food should be fun!"

Not helping.


When I was in 3rd grade (ca 1994) the district went on a "health push" and upped the vegetables, cut back on pizza, canned fruits and such things deemed "bad".

I asked why we didn't get anything good anymore and was told,"but the vegetables are good for you!"

I responded with, "but if no one eats them, then what's the difference?"

/canned peas and carrots, all round filed by the students
//teacher got a "oh shiat, a live one!" look
///anti authoritarian since before I realized it meant anything
 
2013-02-25 11:19:00 PM  

PsiChick: Smackledorfer: dj_bigbird: Wow, people are still using BMI to evaluate an individual's health? What's next? Phrenology?

The vast majority of adults, and moreso children, lack the muscle mass to throw off the charts. Even more rarely would it push someone from healthy to obese.

You sound big boned.

You sound like you've never actually seen a range of children.

/Because yes, BMI is completely useless for children, children  do not fit growth scales on nice neat models. They would do better with a fat percentage; you can do that in ten seconds with a thing that looks like a Nintendo.
//Seriously, if  Curves can figure this out, our public school system should be able to cope.


You sound fat.
 
2013-02-25 11:20:23 PM  
In case, you know, the parents hadn't noticed.
 
2013-02-25 11:48:33 PM  

meat0918:  you're going to get ganged up on if you dare tell someone they might be leading an unhealthy lifestyle.


Because the new norm is to point out the faults of someone else to make yourself feel better. 

BarkingUnicorn: meat0918: Mugato: I was always told that I was too skinny by everyone when I was a kid, why is it unacceptable to  call someone out as being a fat fark? Especially when being fat is more unhealthy than being skinny?

Because fat is the new normal.

It is now abnormal to be of a healthy weight.  Skinny is the out group, fat is the in group, and you're going to get ganged up on if you dare tell someone they might be leading an unhealthy lifestyle.

You mean like saying, "You're gonna go to Hell if you don't accept my God?"


Or "I'm going to pick on you because you aren't like me" which is more common in the current era.
 
2013-02-25 11:49:29 PM  
Peter Nieman, a well-known pediatrician based at Calgary's Pediatric Weight Clinic, says that more often than not, when he sits down with parents of children who are overweight or obese, they don't even realize there's a problem.

Then, Nieman shows them growth charts and explains the trajectory their children are on: continued weight gain resulting in a significantly increased risk for high blood pressure, Type 2 diabetes, heart disease, stroke and many other serious conditions.

"They're sometimes stunned to see how bad it is," Nieman said.


Full article here ('How Fat Has Become The New Normal'):
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/how-fa t- has-become-the-new-normal/article4576071/
 
2013-02-25 11:53:38 PM  
You can tell who is fat just by looking at them, but you aren't allowed to say they're fat based on that alone, because they get mad when you remind them they look fat.

This is where the BMI comes in. SCIENCE says they're fat, and they can continue to delude themselves about their appearance.
 
2013-02-25 11:53:55 PM  
I have no problem with this. Frankly, some parents won't do anything about a problem with their kid until they get an official notification. Some parents know damn well that their kid has behavior issues, but I don't have a problem with teachers sending letters home describing how little Jimmy screams all day or puts glue in other kids' hair. Some kids need more attention with reading or math, and I don't have a problem with teachers sending report cards home letting parents know how their kid is doing in academics. BMI measurements aren't perfect, certainly, but I would venture to guess that most kids who get these letters sent home probably need some attention paid to their physical fitness. Most of the folks I know who would raise a stink about this letter situation are the same folks who would probably biatch about "the goddamned government" spending so much money on phys ed programs.
 
2013-02-26 12:31:21 AM  

codergirl42: max_pooper: codergirl42: cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?

If I wanted to know if my kid is fat and whether or not it's causing health problems for them I'll ask the pediatrician who has my kids complete medical history. I don't need some busy body school nurse writing me a strongly worded letter becuase she thinks my kid is unhealthy based on what the scale says.

//Doesn't have a kid.

What do you think these letters are for? The school nurses that check BMI are not taking a full medical history and making a diagnosis. They are simply telling you that your kid is a fat tub of goo. You can do what you want with that information. Good parents will talk to their pediatrician about it and determine what if anything needs to be done about it. Stupid parents will just biatch and moan and then order pizza for dinner for the third night in a row.

What a fatty based on the BMI scale might look like.

[shechive.files.wordpress.com image 500x689]


They're not sending letters to parents of kids who look like that. Yes BMI is a completely bullshiat measurement, but if your little lardlet jiggles when it walks, bmi is kind of a moot point.
 
2013-02-26 12:36:14 AM  
"It goes to a larger problem, the Department of Public Health is losing sight of what its focus is and expanding too many areas," Lyons said"

No kidding.
 
2013-02-26 12:40:07 AM  
BMI is junk.  I have no problem with publicly calling out obese people but BMI is just such a broken system that people shouldn't even try to use it to justify anything.
 
2013-02-26 12:42:53 AM  
Is this the thread where every farker's fat little snowflakes are body builders and so the BMI scale doesn't apply?
 
2013-02-26 12:47:07 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

I would venture to say that these school officials are not qualified to tie their own shoes,

Really, there needs to be a constitutional amendment to demand some sort of qualifying standards for what is an extremely important and demanding job. It would certainly exclude those with room temperature IQs.


Please.  From what I hear, every teacher in America is so smart that they could EASILY be making six figures in the private sector.

/ BMI may be junk, but it never hurts to try and motivate the parents to maybe get their kids to move a bit more.
// I would have been mortified as a kid, and my mom and dad knew I was obese, but they might have taken it on as a challenge.  If ONE family does this, the letters are worth it.
 
2013-02-26 12:49:25 AM  

max_pooper: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

I don't see how this is any different from school nurses checking for head lice or scoliosis.


I loathed the scoliosis screening. Why yes, we are aware of if. No we are not a candidate for surgery. I have a fantastic pediatrician and your cracker jack RN degree does not override the specialists. Just what I want to do in the middle of the school day is take off my shirt in front of strangers.

Not you personally but the management and nurses were WAY ahead of the present day failboat. This was 15 years ago too.
 
2013-02-26 12:56:59 AM  

scottydoesntknow: They should take each letter, and put it in a massive box full of packing popcorn. When it arrives at the parent's house, they have to dig and dig just to find the letter. When they open it, it'll say "Did you see how fat and useless this package was? Your child is even worse."


I read the contents of the letter in GladOS's voice.  And it fit.
 
2013-02-26 12:58:46 AM  
The parents should send their kids back with an Asshole Letter informing the school they're a bunch of assholes. The kids know they're fat. The parents know they're fat. The only way not to know is to not own a mirror. If one cannot tell by looking in a mirror then they are most def not fat. No need to be jerks about it, and damage the kid's psyches.
 
2013-02-26 01:04:53 AM  
Parents of fat children are often completely in denial. The people I nannied for (Notre Dame grads and successful) had an onese child. They thought he had baby fat. The kid was HUGE. The mom said "oh he is just built like daddy" (Really!? A 40 year old man? was he a fatty as a child?!). They would get pizza and Mcdonalds every week and feed him fries and chicken nuggets and mac and cheese in between. They often had doughnuts for breakfast. They couldnt understand why they were fat when they exercised all the time (they really did). The doctor told them the kid was obese and they were offended. They got angry when another child called him fat and he came home crying and saying he wanted them to buy him a treadmill so he wouldnt be fat anymore. They did not buy the treadmill but they did complain to the school. This kid played tons of sports but was fat anyway. Playing sports doesnt mean your kid isnt fat.
 
2013-02-26 01:12:19 AM  

Double Time: BMI is junk.  I have no problem with publicly calling out obese people but BMI is just such a broken system that people shouldn't even try to use it to justify anything.


why not
 
kab
2013-02-26 01:30:25 AM  
Cool, a fat thread.  Have we gone through all the unbelievably clever and original meme's yet?  Bickered about BMI?  Posed as 4 minute mile, 3% body fat bastions of physical prowess?  Given unfaltering diet advice?

Excellent, just checking.
 
2013-02-26 01:47:58 AM  
By "fat letter" you mean F?  In P.E.?  Do schools still have P.E.?  And give F's?

/?
 
2013-02-26 02:04:12 AM  

The WindowLicker: It sounds like you have a serious problem with the BMI scale, unfortunately it is not thatwrong.

I agree the BMI system is inherantly flawed, however the factors that throw it off are not dominant in children. It is easy to exceed your reccomended weight if you are a bodybuilder with a low body fat percentage.


Except that the BMI was never really designed to be used in children in the first place, but rather for actuarial scales in life insurance. :D   (There IS some real question as to the utility of the traditional BMI in kids, because measurements in children are basically "retrofitted".)

That said--the thing I'd REALLY be interested in re the "fat letter" thing is how they intend to balance this with ADA requirements and IDEA--and no, I'm not referring to folks who consider being a fatty-boombalady to be a disability.

(ECE classes tend to come to mind here, because (interestingly) a lot of the same genetic and chromosomal conditions that can cause intellectual disabilities can also cause the body metabolism to go weird and to cause high BMI values--Down syndrome and Prader-Willi being examples (and the latter in particular an infamous one because it not only causes ravenous, insatiable hunger in Prader-Willi kids but also causes significant slowing of metabolism to the point it's almost impossible to keep them from getting Daily Talk Show Televised Freakshow levels of obese).)

(There are also some rather more pedestrian, not-requiring-IEPs-and-special-classes conditions in kids that can cause the BMI to go out the window.  For one, the BMI tables really aren't designed for kids (or adults, for that matter) with achrondoplasia (the most common form of dwarfism in humans--for the feline version, cross-reference Grumpy Cat) as short limbs (and normal torso) throw off height measurements.  There are also some conditions fairly common in kids that can cause the BMI to go off-track--systemic steroid treatment for severe asthma can make you blimp up pretty good.)

/seriously, considering that some of the IDEA and Title 504 and ADA lawsuits have pretty much mandated mainstreaming in classes even in some cases where it may be inappropriate or where more specialised teaching or therapy may be more helpful, I'd be shocked if a lawsuit didn't come out of this
 
2013-02-26 02:04:18 AM  
No one else dredged up this old chestnut?
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-26 02:07:30 AM  
So they only get BMI through height and weight? 
At least get the fat percentage number in there too. No need to weigh them in water, just get a general idea with a few skinfold measurements...

And btw, yes you can get an F in PE, mostly when the teachers expect you and your weird heart to go from rest to fast in a bleep test and not pop 180bpm with a heartrate monitor on you... Never spent more time in a gym on that semester than i did in every year before combined. Seems i should've had that confirmed by a doc, too late now. That school's been sued by a guy just because he failed a single heartrate test, pretty much my situation, except he was in way better shape.
 
2013-02-26 02:28:44 AM  
Good, no GREAT. I really feel parents should be held accountable. This should be considered child abuse.

/ legit medical reasons aside.
 
2013-02-26 02:30:08 AM  
They shouldn't post letters, they should turn up on the kids doorstep as a "Gunnery Sargent Hartman-o-Gram" and drive the message home with some choice quotes from Full Metal Jacket
 
2013-02-26 04:19:45 AM  
 max_pooper: codergirl42: cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?

If I wanted to know if my kid is fat and whether or not it's causing health problems for them I'll ask the pediatrician who has my kids complete medical history. I don't need some busy body school nurse writing me a strongly worded letter becuase she thinks my kid is unhealthy based on what the scale says.

//Doesn't have a kid.

What do you think these letters are for? The school nurses that check BMI are not taking a full medical history and making a diagnosis. They are simply telling you that your kid is a fat tub of goo. You can do what you want with that information. Good parents will talk to their pediatrician about it and determine what if anything needs to be done about it. Stupid parents will just biatch and moan and then order pizza for dinner for the third night in a row.

What a fatty based on the BMI scale might look like.


I like you.


So much this
 
2013-02-26 04:25:01 AM  
Damnit - stupid html lameness.  Can we still get more pictures anyway?
 
2013-02-26 04:31:42 AM  

Wholesaler: Good, no GREAT. I really feel parents should be held accountable. This should be considered child abuse.

/ legit medical reasons aside.


^^^ This

Knowingly causing early death in a child should be considered abuse.
Anyone who biatches about the BMI is probably fat
If you are muscular and realistically big boned, why would you give a fark

sometimes truth hurts, thats fine
but dont let your delusion hurt your kids assholes

EVERYONE should have the right to self harm (the consequences are yours, thats enough)
But causing it in a child is abhorrent

// doing it to a pet also pisses me off, but I wont point it out to these pricks because its a waste of oxygen
 
2013-02-26 06:02:36 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-26 06:06:32 AM  
Hilarious.

I was a fat kid, I knew.  This isn't going to change anything or help anyone, but it's still hilarious.
 
2013-02-26 07:19:01 AM  
I suppose there's a reason someone named it "body mass index" and not "body fat index" or some such other thing.  As if anything that has mass, and not just fat, might contribute.  Perhaps if they used a better indicator, there'd be fewer complaints?  Like using a ruler as a hammer... "well this is a crappy ruler, you can't even drive a 10d nail with it!"

I'd be fine with schools changing up the food they provide to encourage healthier eating, and gym classes with intelligently designed activity to get eveyone moving and leaving it at that.

Even when I was a kid, it was generally accepted in our community that school food wasn't that healthy.  I got packed lunches the vast majority of the time and buying lunch was dangled over my head as a treat.
 
2013-02-26 08:41:14 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: occamswrist: 6'2" 190 lbs and bmi says I'm 5 lbs from obese. Glad im not a fattie (yet)...

be careful.  cause it happens INSTANTLY!


If I don't poop before dinner it'll happen today!!!
 
2013-02-26 08:43:07 AM  

Smackledorfer: occamswrist: 6'2" 190 lbs and bmi says I'm 5 lbs from obese. Glad im not a fattie (yet)...

Uh, not according to the calculator I just checked.

It says you are 24.4. 30 is obese and if you were 225 you still wouldn't score a thirty.

This calculator didn't ask for age though.


I randomly found one on the internet...guess its wrong...
 
2013-02-26 08:49:35 AM  
Send 'em to the outback.

(Not the one that serves steak)
 
2013-02-26 09:08:29 AM  

The WindowLicker: /I have never met an in-shape person with strong feelings about things like BMI or weight standards.


My BMI tells me that I'm overweight.  I find it humorous.


/triathlete
//not a clydesdale
 
2013-02-26 11:29:35 AM  

dj_bigbird: Wow, people are still using BMI to evaluate an individual's health? What's next? Phrenology?


People who think they're too good for the BMI are invariably lard-butts.
 
2013-02-26 11:38:09 AM  

Mose: I suppose there's a reason someone named it "body mass index" and not "body fat index" or some such other thing.  As if anything that has mass, and not just fat, might contribute.  Perhaps if they used a better indicator, there'd be fewer complaints?  Like using a ruler as a hammer... "well this is a crappy ruler, you can't even drive a 10d nail with it!"

I'd be fine with schools changing up the food they provide to encourage healthier eating, and gym classes with intelligently designed activity to get eveyone moving and leaving it at that.

Even when I was a kid, it was generally accepted in our community that school food wasn't that healthy.  I got packed lunches the vast majority of the time and buying lunch was dangled over my head as a treat.


You are not special, and there is nothing remarkable about your mass distribution.  If you are charted overweight or obese by the BMI, chances are 99% that you just are, and none of the lies you tell yourself will make it different.  You know why doctors use it as a common easily applied indicator of obesity?  Cause it works just fine unless you're a professional football player.  And guess what!?  If you ARE just a big slab of muscles, they don't look at your BMI and say, "You're too fat, lose weight."  They just don't talk to you about it because they can clearly see you're a tank and they don't need to tell you about taking care of yourself.

"What does that ignorant doctor know about MY health, I'm ME, he's just some guy," is some of the craziest delusional behavior I've ever seen someone exhibit, and you see it all the time.  These idiots getting positive reinforcement from other lardos about how educated people who specialize in healthcare are less able to understand their personal situation than people who barely made it out of high school sicken me.
 
2013-02-26 12:11:14 PM  

ACunningPlan: Pretty much agree with everything - except my kids have to have an annual physical for school.  No 8 yr old goes from normal to 200 lb in twelve months, so why aren't the docs picking this up?


My guess is that doctors are picking it up, but they can't make the parents feed the kid less or insure the child isn't sneaking food.

Also, I grew up without insurance. Other than my childhood inoculations I saw a doctor for a toe x-ray at age 10, and some visiting medical staff at the school for a physical to join 7th grade football. I didn't see a doctor again until age 25 when I got a job with health insurance and met my doctor.
 
2013-02-26 12:14:08 PM  

Super_pope: Mose: I suppose there's a reason someone named it "body mass index" and not "body fat index" or some such other thing.  As if anything that has mass, and not just fat, might contribute.  Perhaps if they used a better indicator, there'd be fewer complaints?  Like using a ruler as a hammer... "well this is a crappy ruler, you can't even drive a 10d nail with it!"

I'd be fine with schools changing up the food they provide to encourage healthier eating, and gym classes with intelligently designed activity to get eveyone moving and leaving it at that.

Even when I was a kid, it was generally accepted in our community that school food wasn't that healthy.  I got packed lunches the vast majority of the time and buying lunch was dangled over my head as a treat.

You are not special, and there is nothing remarkable about your mass distribution.  If you are charted overweight or obese by the BMI, chances are 99% that you just are, and none of the lies you tell yourself will make it different.  You know why doctors use it as a common easily applied indicator of obesity?  Cause it works just fine unless you're a professional football player.  And guess what!?  If you ARE just a big slab of muscles, they don't look at your BMI and say, "You're too fat, lose weight."  They just don't talk to you about it because they can clearly see you're a tank and they don't need to tell you about taking care of yourself.

"What does that ignorant doctor know about MY health, I'm ME, he's just some guy," is some of the craziest delusional behavior I've ever seen someone exhibit, and you see it all the time.  These idiots getting positive reinforcement from other lardos about how educated people who specialize in healthcare are less able to understand their personal situation than people who barely made it out of high school sicken me.


My extra large penis adds at least 1-2 bmi points.

Oh, and there's this:

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1244317

So between my Johnson and my height I guess I'm not fat...
 
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