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2013-02-25 04:55:33 PM  
images.thetruthaboutcars.com
 
2013-02-25 05:08:41 PM  
Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.
 
2013-02-25 05:10:52 PM  
How about they reintroduce home ec and stop feeding the kids crap in the cafeteria?
 
2013-02-25 05:15:47 PM  

codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.


I don't see how this is any different from school nurses checking for head lice or scoliosis.
 
2013-02-25 05:18:00 PM  
Dear Parents,

It's come to our attention that your kid is fat. And black. We can only have one or the other.

Love,
The school
 
2013-02-25 05:18:37 PM  
They should take each letter, and put it in a massive box full of packing popcorn. When it arrives at the parent's house, they have to dig and dig just to find the letter. When they open it, it'll say "Did you see how fat and useless this package was? Your child is even worse."
 
2013-02-25 05:21:45 PM  

codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.


Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?
 
2013-02-25 05:23:15 PM  
Wow, people are still using BMI to evaluate an individual's health? What's next? Phrenology?
 
2013-02-25 05:32:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?


If I wanted to know if my kid is fat and whether or not it's causing health problems for them I'll ask the pediatrician who has my kids complete medical history. I don't need some busy body school nurse writing me a strongly worded letter becuase she thinks my kid is unhealthy based on what the scale says.

//Doesn't have a kid.
 
2013-02-25 05:36:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?


Also, nurses aren't supposed to be making a diagnosis that's for a doctor to determine.

//Husband is an RN.
 
2013-02-25 05:39:17 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?


Ours was a nurse practitioner. She was overqualified and underpaid, but she loved the job.
 
2013-02-25 05:41:04 PM  

codergirl42: cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?

If I wanted to know if my kid is fat and whether or not it's causing health problems for them I'll ask the pediatrician who has my kids complete medical history. I don't need some busy body school nurse writing me a strongly worded letter becuase she thinks my kid is unhealthy based on what the scale says.

//Doesn't have a kid.


What do you think these letters are for? The school nurses that check BMI are not taking a full medical history and making a diagnosis. They are simply telling you that your kid is a fat tub of goo. You can do what you want with that information. Good parents will talk to their pediatrician about it and determine what if anything needs to be done about it. Stupid parents will just biatch and moan and then order pizza for dinner for the third night in a row.
 
2013-02-25 05:52:49 PM  
Last I checked being a fatty-fat-fatty was pretty noticible. If the parents cared they'd already have seen a pediatrician instead of waiting for the school nurse to send a letter notifying them of thier fatty-fat-fatness.
 
2013-02-25 05:59:58 PM  

max_pooper: codergirl42: cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?

If I wanted to know if my kid is fat and whether or not it's causing health problems for them I'll ask the pediatrician who has my kids complete medical history. I don't need some busy body school nurse writing me a strongly worded letter becuase she thinks my kid is unhealthy based on what the scale says.

//Doesn't have a kid.

What do you think these letters are for? The school nurses that check BMI are not taking a full medical history and making a diagnosis. They are simply telling you that your kid is a fat tub of goo. You can do what you want with that information. Good parents will talk to their pediatrician about it and determine what if anything needs to be done about it. Stupid parents will just biatch and moan and then order pizza for dinner for the third night in a row.


Dear, Mr. & Mrs. Fats we regret to inform you that you have failed as a parent.  Based on the flawed BMI scale we have determined your kid is fat. PLEASE SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION IMMEDIATLY.
 
2013-02-25 06:02:41 PM  

max_pooper: codergirl42: cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?

If I wanted to know if my kid is fat and whether or not it's causing health problems for them I'll ask the pediatrician who has my kids complete medical history. I don't need some busy body school nurse writing me a strongly worded letter becuase she thinks my kid is unhealthy based on what the scale says.

//Doesn't have a kid.

What do you think these letters are for? The school nurses that check BMI are not taking a full medical history and making a diagnosis. They are simply telling you that your kid is a fat tub of goo. You can do what you want with that information. Good parents will talk to their pediatrician about it and determine what if anything needs to be done about it. Stupid parents will just biatch and moan and then order pizza for dinner for the third night in a row.


What a fatty based on the BMI scale might look like.

shechive.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-25 06:03:17 PM  
codergirl42: max_pooper: codergirl42: cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?

If I wanted to know if my kid is fat and whether or not it's causing health problems for them I'll ask the pediatrician who has my kids complete medical history. I don't need some busy body school nurse writing me a strongly worded letter becuase she thinks my kid is unhealthy based on what the scale says.

//Doesn't have a kid.

What do you think these letters are for? The school nurses that check BMI are not taking a full medical history and making a diagnosis. They are simply telling you that your kid is a fat tub of goo. You can do what you want with that information. Good parents will talk to their pediatrician about it and determine what if anything needs to be done about it. Stupid parents will just biatch and moan and then order pizza for dinner for the third night in a row.

Dear, Mr. & Mrs. Fats we regret to inform you that you have failed as a parent.  Based on the flawed BMI scale we have determined your kid is fat. PLEASE SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION IMMEDIATLY.


Sounds good. I would include more snark though, but then again I'm not an school nurse.
 
2013-02-25 06:16:20 PM  

codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.


If your little slugger has tits in 6th grade I don't think a medical degree is necessary. Plus they've been measuring fitness and BMI crap since I was in grade school decades not too long ago.
 
2013-02-25 06:47:05 PM  

max_pooper: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

I don't see how this is any different from school nurses checking for head lice or scoliosis.


Your examples involve judgment.  "Is that a louse or just a gnat?"  These letters go out based on calculations that neglect relevant data. "Is that fat or muscle?"
 
2013-02-25 07:07:35 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: max_pooper: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

I don't see how this is any different from school nurses checking for head lice or scoliosis.

Your examples involve judgment.  "Is that a louse or just a gnat?"  These letters go out based on calculations that neglect relevant data. "Is that fat or muscle?"


Doesn't matter. That's why it's a letter and not a diagnosis. If a kid is too heavy for his height he gets a letter sent home. It's the parents job to determine what to do about it. Responsible parents will do the responsible thing. Stupid parents will whine about it.
 
2013-02-25 07:08:54 PM  
Punch the numbers (sex, height, weight, age) of my grandsons (both of them) into the online BMI calculator, and they both come back as OBESE.

Leave the other figures as is, and bump the AGE up by 2 years, the older one comes back as mid-range normal, while the younger one is borderline UNDERWEIGHT.

/Your calculator sucks
 
2013-02-25 08:00:19 PM  
I was always told that I was too skinny by everyone when I was a kid, why is it unacceptable to  call someone out as being a fat fark? Especially when being fat is more unhealthy than being skinny?
 
2013-02-25 08:06:28 PM  
Really? Do they think parents don't know? It's not like a developmental condition whose signs can be hard to spot.

How does the letter read?

"Dear Parent:

Here is the most recent class photograph of your child.

Need we say more?

Sincerely,
School"
 
2013-02-25 08:10:27 PM  
Wouldn't a postcard do?
 
2013-02-25 08:16:54 PM  
Cameron, a member of the North Andover Booster Club wrestling team and the Doughboy Wrestling Club, and he's also a football player. How could he be "obese,"

Right, because you never see obese wrestlers or football players.
 
2013-02-25 08:39:01 PM  

codergirl42: Based on the flawed BMI scale


i'm a huge critic of the BMI scale, but it isn't outright wrong. Get off your farking soap box. Bad parents making for fat children need a smack upside the head. MGood parents making fat children need a reminder that they can raise healthy children.

/former fat child
//Currently healthy active outdoorsman.
 
2013-02-25 09:00:08 PM  
Good.
Now teach them how to pronounce the letter "R" correctly.

Massholes.
 
2013-02-25 09:00:16 PM  
it's BS man.  MY BMI IS 30.5 and my Body Fat is average
 
2013-02-25 09:01:30 PM  
Massivechusetts
 
2013-02-25 09:01:58 PM  
Good.

But I bet they already know it, since they themselves statistically are also obese.
 
2013-02-25 09:03:03 PM  

scottydoesntknow: They should take each letter, and put it in a massive box full of packing popcorn. When it arrives at the parent's house, they have to dig and dig just to find the letter. When they open it, it'll say "Did you see how fat and useless this package was? Your child is even worse."


I say we vote on this right away.  Put me down for YES.
 
2013-02-25 09:04:28 PM  
I recall having my sight and hearing checked a few times at school by outside personnel, so the article didn't say who actually determined the BMI of the students.  If they are going to check the kids' health out, nothing new in public schools, atleast they only sent letters to the house.  Imagine if they announced the 'fat letters' in front of the whole school, not that kids need to be told who's fat.

Public schools will always stick their noses into the health and well-being of the kids, because there are a lot of families that barely know how to raise them.  Intrusive, sure, necessary, in some cases it is.  I recall having classmates that weren't the healthiest or hygienic.  Usually, schools keep things like that hushed and only in between them and the parents.  Here is a thought, don't make it public knowledge and no one would know about the letter.
 
2013-02-25 09:04:38 PM  

Mugato: I was always told that I was too skinny by everyone when I was a kid, why is it unacceptable to  call someone out as being a fat fark? Especially when being fat is more unhealthy than being skinny?


Because fat is the new normal.

It is now abnormal to be of a healthy weight.  Skinny is the out group, fat is the in group, and you're going to get ganged up on if you dare tell someone they might be leading an unhealthy lifestyle.
 
2013-02-25 09:05:28 PM  

codergirl42: Last I checked being a fatty-fat-fatty was pretty noticible. If the parents cared they'd already have seen a pediatrician instead of waiting for the school nurse to send a letter notifying them of thier fatty-fat-fatness.


*checks profile*

o_0

*backs away slowly*
 
2013-02-25 09:07:42 PM  

dj_bigbird: Wow, people are still using BMI to evaluate an individual's health? What's next? Phrenology?


The vast majority of adults, and moreso children, lack the muscle mass to throw off the charts. Even more rarely would it push someone from healthy to obese.

You sound big boned.
 
2013-02-25 09:07:52 PM  
The parents should reciprocate by sending a letter to the school staff informing certain people that they are ugly and should seek plastic surgery.
 
2013-02-25 09:08:30 PM  
But all the kids still get trophies right? We dont want to damage their self esteem.

/I was classified as husky.
//Growth spurt in high school and thinned out.
///Still husky because that was my high school mascot.
 
2013-02-25 09:09:09 PM  

codergirl42: cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?

Also, nurses aren't supposed to be making a diagnosis that's for a doctor to determine.

//Husband is an RN.


Haha. Mrs. Murse.

/lonely and quietly sips beer
//lulz. Murse.
///sip
 
2013-02-25 09:09:56 PM  
I thought "raising awareness" was a good thing.  Don't people want their awareness raised?
www.lupus.org
 
2013-02-25 09:12:41 PM  
Meh, just lower the standards for the BMI, they have lowered the standards on everything else in schools.
 
2013-02-25 09:13:11 PM  
BMI is only tangentially related to body fat percentage, and has lots of outliers where athletic people are mislabeled as obese.  Surely the medical community could come up with a better system?
 
2013-02-25 09:14:27 PM  
How dare this school system tell me how to raise my precious snowflakes!

Don't they know that if my precious triplets, Jayden, Mayden and Fayden don't get their nightly box of ice cream sandwiches, they get all crabby when they play xBox for 6 hours a day?
 
2013-02-25 09:15:01 PM  
I just hope the school is feeding the children a steady diet of milk, ketchup, bread, potatoes, and sugar each and every day.

codergirl42:

What a fatty based on the BMI scale might look like.

[shechive.files.wordpress.com image 500x689]


You sound fat.
 
2013-02-25 09:15:59 PM  
Yes there are ways to throw BMI off. Yes, a lot of muscle or being on the short side with slightly above average fat and or/muscle can throw it off.

But those cases are few and far between. Just like "a glandular problem" can absolutely cause weight gain that is largely out of the person's control. But for every 1 person with a real glandular problem, there are 10 who claim it when they're really just lazy and unhealthy. Same goes for the BMI scale. Sure there are some people who really are healthy but have bad BMI ratings because of their body type. I know a guy in my Army unit who fails the weight test every time he takes it but still scores a 300+ on his PT test. He's short, stocky, and works out like 2 hours a day. But because of his body type, the BMI scale calls him fat. But that's not the norm. It's not even common. Chances are if you fail the BMI test, you're just fat.

Don't use it as the end-all be--all of health. Use it as a stepping stone. If you're really healthy and the test was wrong, shrug it off. But chances are it's just fat.
 
2013-02-25 09:16:48 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com

First thing I thought of.
 
2013-02-25 09:16:49 PM  
Dear school,

You're ugly and you smell like week old chowder with a dash of ball sweat.

Thought would like to know,
Parents.
 
2013-02-25 09:17:00 PM  
Poor little snowflakes balls. Next thing you know, they'll be testing things like math and science and shaming the kids who don't study by giving them bad grades! The horror!
 
2013-02-25 09:19:06 PM  

taurusowner: Yes there are ways to throw BMI off. Yes, a lot of muscle or being on the short side with slightly above average fat and or/muscle can throw it off.

But those cases are few and far between. Just like "a glandular problem" can absolutely cause weight gain that is largely out of the person's control. But for every 1 person with a real glandular problem, there are 10 who claim it when they're really just lazy and unhealthy. Same goes for the BMI scale. Sure there are some people who really are healthy but have bad BMI ratings because of their body type. I know a guy in my Army unit who fails the weight test every time he takes it but still scores a 300+ on his PT test. He's short, stocky, and works out like 2 hours a day. But because of his body type, the BMI scale calls him fat. But that's not the norm. It's not even common. Chances are if you fail the BMI test, you're just fat.

Don't use it as the end-all be--all of health. Use it as a stepping stone. If you're really healthy and the test was wrong, shrug it off. But chances are it's just fat.


or assume everyone is fat, and use it tongue and cheek as an accurate measurement so people give up dieting
 
2013-02-25 09:20:02 PM  

meat0918: Mugato: I was always told that I was too skinny by everyone when I was a kid, why is it unacceptable to  call someone out as being a fat fark? Especially when being fat is more unhealthy than being skinny?

Because fat is the new normal.

It is now abnormal to be of a healthy weight.  Skinny is the out group, fat is the in group, and you're going to get ganged up on if you dare tell someone they might be leading an unhealthy lifestyle.


You mean like saying, "You're gonna go to Hell if you don't accept my God?"
 
2013-02-25 09:20:38 PM  

codergirl42: max_pooper: codergirl42: cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?

If I wanted to know if my kid is fat and whether or not it's causing health problems for them I'll ask the pediatrician who has my kids complete medical history. I don't need some busy body school nurse writing me a strongly worded letter becuase she thinks my kid is unhealthy based on what the scale says.

//Doesn't have a kid.

What do you think these letters are for? The school nurses that check BMI are not taking a full medical history and making a diagnosis. They are simply telling you that your kid is a fat tub of goo. You can do what you want with that information. Good parents will talk to their pediatrician about it and determine what if anything needs to be done about it. Stupid parents will just biatch and moan and then order pizza for dinner for the third night in a row.

What a fatty based on the BMI scale might look like.


24.media.tumblr.com

How you dooin' ?
 
2013-02-25 09:21:24 PM  
Maybe they could turn it into a positive?
Like, "Johnny scored an A+ in Fat fark!"
 
2013-02-25 09:25:04 PM  
Dear parent/guardian/enabler:

You lose -1 Internets because you're kid haz hadz cheezburgerz.

LOL http://www.fatkidzsuck.com

Signed,
A Fan
 
2013-02-25 09:25:56 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: meat0918: Mugato: I was always told that I was too skinny by everyone when I was a kid, why is it unacceptable to  call someone out as being a fat fark? Especially when being fat is more unhealthy than being skinny?

Because fat is the new normal.

It is now abnormal to be of a healthy weight.  Skinny is the out group, fat is the in group, and you're going to get ganged up on if you dare tell someone they might be leading an unhealthy lifestyle.

You mean like saying, "You're gonna go to Hell if you don't accept my God?"


Little-known fact: The Founders meant to include "Freedom to be a chunk" in the Bill of Rights along with religion, they just forgot.
 
2013-02-25 09:26:15 PM  
As someone with a glandular problem that results in big bones and a slow metabolism, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/But only one kick, because I'll get winded
 
2013-02-25 09:26:29 PM  

codergirl42: Dear, Mr. & Mrs. Fats we regret to inform you that you have failed as a parent.  Based on the flawed BMI scale we have determined your kid is fat. PLEASE SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION IMMEDIATLY.


It sounds like you have a serious problem with the BMI scale, unfortunately it is not thatwrong.

I agree the BMI system is inherantly flawed, however the factors that throw it off are not dominant in children.  It is easy to exceed your reccomended weight if you are a bodybuilder with a low body fat percentage.

Most kids are not going to have heavy muscular development.  In this same way, if you excercise enough to break the curve, you already know you are ok without needing BMI to tell you that you are.  The real problem here is fat people who would like to believe that they are part of that big boned or low body-fat percentage group that does not fit the curve.  See also: parents who don't want to believe that their snowflake is a porker.

If you get a letter like this, you should discuss it with your kids pedeatrician.  They  can tell you what the drill is, and I will bet you a shockingly large amount of money that the overwhelming majority of cases are a result of little timmy eating too much and not moving enough.

/I have never met an in-shape person with strong feelings about things like BMI or weight standards.
//As someone responsible for ensuring the weight standards in my unit were applied appropriately, I did encounter a lot of people who were Convinced that even though they were over their weight limit; that they fell into the low body fat exemption.
///...They did not
 
2013-02-25 09:26:40 PM  

CoonAce: I just hope the school is feeding the children a steady diet of milk, ketchup, bread, potatoes, and sugar each and every day.

codergirl42:

What a fatty based on the BMI scale might look like.

[shechive.files.wordpress.com image 500x689]

You sound fat.


Yes I have struggled with weight my whole life. And having a school to get my mom to harass me about it wouldn't help. I was an active kid and involved in sports but still was heavy. At my heaviest(as an adult) I wieghed 260, I've lost 70 of that and continue to lose more.
 
2013-02-25 09:27:52 PM  
Hmm. What's interesting to me is the reaction the parents will have when they get this letter.

In my district-I'm a teacher-administrators are terrified of parents and any possible litigation.  This is b/c schools in most rural areas, at least in Oregon, cannot possibly provide all the services required by law, and still give kids the education they need. So, we fly by the seat of our pants and patch holes as they present themselves.

A letter telling parents their kid is fat would motivate already frustrated parents to retaliate, and if parents begin to look, they are sure to find legit grievances.

My guess is this was mandated by someone with no true knowledge of what is currently going on in American classrooms.
 
2013-02-25 09:30:46 PM  

The WindowLicker: codergirl42: Dear, Mr. & Mrs. Fats we regret to inform you that you have failed as a parent.  Based on the flawed BMI scale we have determined your kid is fat. PLEASE SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION IMMEDIATLY.

It sounds like you have a serious problem with the BMI scale, unfortunately it is not thatwrong.

I agree the BMI system is inherantly flawed, however the factors that throw it off are not dominant in children.  It is easy to exceed your reccomended weight if you are a bodybuilder with a low body fat percentage.

Most kids are not going to have heavy muscular development.  In this same way, if you excercise enough to break the curve, you already know you are ok without needing BMI to tell you that you are.  The real problem here is fat people who would like to believe that they are part of that big boned or low body-fat percentage group that does not fit the curve.  See also: parents who don't want to believe that their snowflake is a porker.

If you get a letter like this, you should discuss it with your kids pedeatrician.  They  can tell you what the drill is, and I will bet you a shockingly large amount of money that the overwhelming majority of cases are a result of little timmy eating too much and not moving enough.

/I have never met an in-shape person with strong feelings about things like BMI or weight standards.
//As someone responsible for ensuring the weight standards in my unit were applied appropriately, I did encounter a lot of people who were Convinced that even though they were over their weight limit; that they fell into the low body fat exemption.
///...They did not


I actually don't have strong feelings about the BMI scale one way or the other, but I'm just pointing out it's not the most accurate system. I just don't think it's the schools place to tell parents their raising fatties.
 
2013-02-25 09:31:09 PM  
dilbert.com
 
2013-02-25 09:31:52 PM  
I'm about as libertarian as they come and normally wouldn't hear of the state doing such things but.....

My missus is a Master's trained school nurse, and it's her job to screen the kids and send out the dreaded "fat letters."

A couple of points. MA might be an exception, but in most places these letters only go out to families where the kid is morbidly obese. A little chub or a roll of baby fat does not get this response. I'm aware of 200lb 2nd graders.

The parents often really, truly, do not have a clue there is a problem. This usually happens when the 'rents are plus size themselves.

For the kids this is an often a way to get their parent to give them the help the kids want. Many of these kids are a lot more aware of the problem than their parents.

If the school is -whether it ought to be or not is debatable and not the question here- in the public health business, then they have to protect themselves by identifying such obvious (and lawsuit ripe) problems and demonstrate a willingness to help.

If you can look at a 200lb 8 yer old and not want to help them parent's rights be dammed then you deserve to be beaten to death with a copy of Atlas Shrugged. These are kids dagnabbit and if their parents are that friggin' dumb then somebody oughtta do something.
 
2013-02-25 09:32:19 PM  
*opens letter*

"OMG my son's fat, i had no idea!!1!!1"
 
2013-02-25 09:33:45 PM  
I'm heavy now, and I admit that(40 pounds approx) but for my entire childhood and youth, I seemed to have a little weight on my peers(My limbs were thicker, but I wasn't fat and when weight came I, I weighed moreEven now, most women my weight would not pull it off like I do, I seem to have higher than average muscleand it keeps the fat somewhat in check.I've been physically active my whole life, never owning a car.
 
2013-02-25 09:34:55 PM  

dj_bigbird: Wow, people are still using BMI to evaluate an individual's health? What's next? Phrenology?


Yes, BMI is horribly unfair to all of the kids over 2meters tall and all of the body builders.
 
2013-02-25 09:35:02 PM  

The WindowLicker: codergirl42: Dear, Mr. & Mrs. Fats we regret to inform you that you have failed as a parent.  Based on the flawed BMI scale we have determined your kid is fat. PLEASE SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION IMMEDIATLY.

It sounds like you have a serious problem with the BMI scale, unfortunately it is not thatwrong.

I agree the BMI system is inherantly flawed, however the factors that throw it off are not dominant in children.  It is easy to exceed your reccomended weight if you are a bodybuilder with a low body fat percentage.

Most kids are not going to have heavy muscular development.  In this same way, if you excercise enough to break the curve, you already know you are ok without needing BMI to tell you that you are.  The real problem here is fat people who would like to believe that they are part of that big boned or low body-fat percentage group that does not fit the curve.  See also: parents who don't want to believe that their snowflake is a porker.

If you get a letter like this, you should discuss it with your kids pedeatrician.  They  can tell you what the drill is, and I will bet you a shockingly large amount of money that the overwhelming majority of cases are a result of little timmy eating too much and not moving enough.

/I have never met an in-shape person with strong feelings about things like BMI or weight standards.
//As someone responsible for ensuring the weight standards in my unit were applied appropriately, I did encounter a lot of people who were Convinced that even though they were over their weight limit; that they fell into the low body fat exemption.
///...They did not


Bingo...he only people who get torqued about BMI or other methods are fat asses who are looking for a free pass to eat another deep fried Twinkie.

Fine, BMI is flawed and your "sample size of one" argument wins...of course heart disease and hypertension don't give a damn, so good luck with that "skinny".
 
2013-02-25 09:35:25 PM  
Dear Parent(s),

How are you? We are fine. You're kid is fat. And smelley. Please come git them. We've got way too many fatties any way. If you dont git your kid we are going to sell him slash her into slavery. They will make t-shirts n Mexico that they'll never be thin enough to wear. Ha! ha!

Sincerely you'ren,

The Skool.
 
2013-02-25 09:39:42 PM  

lack of warmth: I recall having my sight and hearing checked a few times at school by outside personnel, so the article didn't say who actually determined the BMI of the students.  If they are going to check the kids' health out, nothing new in public schools, atleast they only sent letters to the house.  Imagine if they announced the 'fat letters' in front of the whole school, not that kids need to be told who's fat.

Public schools will always stick their noses into the health and well-being of the kids, because there are a lot of families that barely know how to raise them.  Intrusive, sure, necessary, in some cases it is.  I recall having classmates that weren't the healthiest or hygienic.  Usually, schools keep things like that hushed and only in between them and the parents.  Here is a thought, don't make it public knowledge and no one would know about the letter.


Walking around this planet I have noticed that a LOT of people don't seem to know that that themselves are fat (based on the way they dress and/or talk about there weight). Heck, I've seen doctors describe people 60 -75lbs overweight as "slightly overweight" or "well nourished" (I deal with medical docs a lot).
I doubt these people would acknowledge that their children are fat. Sometimes you do need to smack folks upside the head with the information.
 
2013-02-25 09:40:49 PM  

part of the problem: I'm about as libertarian as they come and normally wouldn't hear of the state doing such things but.....

My missus is a Master's trained school nurse, and it's her job to screen the kids and send out the dreaded "fat letters."

A couple of points. MA might be an exception, but in most places these letters only go out to families where the kid is morbidly obese. A little chub or a roll of baby fat does not get this response. I'm aware of 200lb 2nd graders.

The parents often really, truly, do not have a clue there is a problem. This usually happens when the 'rents are plus size themselves.

For the kids this is an often a way to get their parent to give them the help the kids want. Many of these kids are a lot more aware of the problem than their parents.

If the school is -whether it ought to be or not is debatable and not the question here- in the public health business, then they have to protect themselves by identifying such obvious (and lawsuit ripe) problems and demonstrate a willingness to help.

If you can look at a 200lb 8 yer old and not want to help them parent's rights be dammed then you deserve to be beaten to death with a copy of Atlas Shrugged. These are kids dagnabbit and if their parents are that friggin' dumb then somebody oughtta do something.


Pretty much agree with everything - except my kids have to have an annual physical for school.  No 8 yr old goes from normal to 200 lb in twelve months, so why aren't the docs picking this up?  From a lawsuit perspective wouldn't the primary physician be easier & riper [should that be fatter] pickings to go after?
 
2013-02-25 09:40:59 PM  

rockin_science: Hmm. What's interesting to me is the reaction the parents will have when they get this letter.

In my district-I'm a teacher-administrators are terrified of parents and any possible litigation.  This is b/c schools in most rural areas, at least in Oregon, cannot possibly provide all the services required by law, and still give kids the education they need. So, we fly by the seat of our pants and patch holes as they present themselves.

A letter telling parents their kid is fat would motivate already frustrated parents to retaliate, and if parents begin to look, they are sure to find legit grievances.

My guess is this was mandated by someone with no true knowledge of what is currently going on in American classrooms.


Sounds to me that they know more about what's going on in American classrooms and cafeterias than your cover-your-legal-ass shiatty school system.

Maybe you haven't heard...but this country seems too have a bit of an obesity problem...some say this might start to manifest itself in childhood obesity...

News at 11.
 
2013-02-25 09:43:14 PM  

codergirl42: I actually don't have strong feelings about the BMI scale one way or the other, but I'm just pointing out it's not the most accurate system. I just don't think it's the schools place to tell parents their raising fatties.


I am sorry, 15 messages into the thread and you had already posted 5 times.  I thought more than 2 of them were railing against the BMI, but in retrospect it was not your main point.

On the other hand, it absolutely is the responsiblity of the school to do this if they have a medical professional on hand.  Just like my school did basic eye tests to make sure the kids who needed glasses to see had them, it is the responsiblity of the school to ensure that the parents know that they are damaging their kids.

There are non diet/excercise related causes of obesity, but those have other serious health risks.  A large percentage of the time, it is simply a matter of poor diet.  If you feed your kids a lot of soda and fast food, they are going to be fat.  Chances are good that they are fat because you are fat and you have passed your poor lifestyle choices on to them.

As a somewhat libertarian leaning American, I can still support this because it does not require the parents to carry out any action, and because I do not like to see my healthcare system burdened down by health conditions caused by simple obesity.
 
2013-02-25 09:44:14 PM  
When do the 'ugly' and 'stupid' letters go out?
 
2013-02-25 09:44:18 PM  
Sad that my school didn't send letters out like that when I was a kid.  I wasn't fat, just a bully.  Nothing says "Kick this kid's ass!" like a bunch of kids getting letters from the school calling them fat.  Especially after calling them fat all year long, then they get a letter from the school saying that they are fat.  Kill their self esteem and bullying becomes so much easier.
 
2013-02-25 09:44:56 PM  
All the kids, or just the fat ones?
 
2013-02-25 09:45:17 PM  
ACunningPlan:

Pretty much agree with everything - except my kids have to have an annual physical for school.  No 8 yr old goes from normal to 200 lb in twelve months, so why aren't the docs picking this up?  From a lawsuit perspective wouldn't the primary physician be easier & riper [should that be fatter] pickings to go after?

You're likely right, but having been a school administrator, you HAVE NO IDEA how lawsuit paranoid schools are. I never did, but I could totally see sending a letter like this just so I could put a copy in the kids's file in case he sues us in 20 years for not protecting him from the junk food monster or some such.
 
2013-02-25 09:46:09 PM  
oi48.tinypic.com

/Oblig
 
2013-02-25 09:48:31 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: When do the 'ugly' and 'stupid' letters go out?


For the latter, there are already report cards.
 
2013-02-25 09:48:35 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: When do the 'ugly' and 'stupid' letters go out?


'Stupid' letters go out all the time.

Midterm report cards, parent teacher conferences.

Were you a recipient of these or homeschooled?
 
2013-02-25 09:50:03 PM  

Warrener: dj_bigbird: Wow, people are still using BMI to evaluate an individual's health? What's next? Phrenology?

Yes, BMI is horribly unfair to all of the kids over 2meters tall and all of the body builders.


so much this

/had a BMI of 29.5 3 years ago
//It's 21.6 today
 
2013-02-25 09:52:30 PM  
Fat parent in TFA: "He's a member of the North Andover Booster Club wrestling team and the Doughboy Wrestling Club, and he's also a football player. How could he be 'obese'?"

stuntgranny.files.wordpress.com
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-25 09:53:40 PM  
6'2" 190 lbs and bmi says I'm 5 lbs from obese. Glad im not a fattie (yet)...
 
2013-02-25 09:56:17 PM  

occamswrist: 6'2" 190 lbs and bmi says I'm 5 lbs from obese. Glad im not a fattie (yet)...


be careful.  cause it happens INSTANTLY!
 
2013-02-25 09:57:23 PM  
The kid's not fat, he's just big boned.... and he has worms.
 
2013-02-25 09:57:30 PM  
Look at the lunch menu's. http://www.aps1.net/index.aspx?NID=92

Just a sample:
* mozzarella sticks
* Chicken nuggets
* Domino's or Papa Gino's pizza
* 3 layer cheesy beans
* Mac & cheese

At least they are learning to eat right at school.

/sarcasm off
 
2013-02-25 10:00:18 PM  
Parents should send letters back about fat teachers and administrators. My school nurse when I was a kid had her own gravitational pull. Nice lady, though.
 
2013-02-25 10:03:04 PM  

Boss Vic Koss: Look at the lunch menu's. http://www.aps1.net/index.aspx?NID=92

Just a sample:
* mozzarella sticks
* Chicken nuggets
* Domino's or Papa Gino's pizza
* 3 layer cheesy beans
* Mac & cheese

At least they are learning to eat right at school.

/sarcasm off


When my mom suggested to a school dietician that maybe the food should be healthy, her reply was "We think food should be fun!"

Not helping.
 
2013-02-25 10:03:20 PM  

lack of warmth: If they are going to check the kids' health out, nothing new in public schools, atleast they only sent letters to the house. Imagine if they announced the 'fat letters' in front of the whole school, not that kids need to be told who's fat.


It might help. Somebody should figure out how to keep the kids from turning out like the blobs in Wall-E.
 
2013-02-25 10:04:35 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: lack of warmth: If they are going to check the kids' health out, nothing new in public schools, atleast they only sent letters to the house. Imagine if they announced the 'fat letters' in front of the whole school, not that kids need to be told who's fat.

It might help. Somebody should figure out how to keep the kids from turning out like the blobs in Wall-E.


stop feeding em damned McMilkshakes
and ALSO install treadmills on the damned ship

hell even Holiday Inn Expresses have them

and exercise is like gay nowadays (popular)
 
2013-02-25 10:06:39 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Boss Vic Koss: Look at the lunch menu's. http://www.aps1.net/index.aspx?NID=92

Just a sample:
* mozzarella sticks
* Chicken nuggets
* Domino's or Papa Gino's pizza
* 3 layer cheesy beans
* Mac & cheese

At least they are learning to eat right at school.

/sarcasm off

When my mom suggested to a school dietician that maybe the food should be healthy, her reply was "We think food should be fun!"

Not helping.


Exactly. It's a captive audience. The kid can eat the healthy food or starve... oh, wait. They're competing against vending machines full of Twinkies and cornwater.
 
2013-02-25 10:07:22 PM  
Look around you in a supermarket or read the newspaper, there are plenty of parents who need to be made aware of their blindness and self-denial regarding their children. A lot more of these wake-up notices are needed coast to coast regarding many children's situations.

Talk to a few intelligent and experienced school teachers. They can tell you all sorts of stories about parents they would like to shake until they wake up and catch the fark on.
 
2013-02-25 10:08:50 PM  
Second and ten, Coach.
 
2013-02-25 10:18:27 PM  
I don't understand the outrage.  If your get a fat letter and you're kid is just "muscular,"  just concede that BMI isn't perfect and throw the letter away.  No one is making you do anything.
 
2013-02-25 10:18:43 PM  
I grew up in MA and remember getting a skin caliper test every year in gym class. Good to know that they've progressed to using a meaningless number in place of a test that actually measures body fat.

/was always something like 98th percentile in height and weight through grade school, never had a weight/fat problem
 
2013-02-25 10:20:30 PM  

Xythero: I don't understand the outrage.  If your get a fat letter and you're kid is just "muscular,"  just concede that BMI isn't perfect and throw the letter away.  No one is making you do anything.


duh
we all wish we were muscular
that's why we're arguing!!
 
2013-02-25 10:23:18 PM  
Not wierd at all and it is about time. That is one of the primary issues this nation has with obesity: most folks who are dont realize they are.  I feel sorry for the kid mentioned in the article.  Dad laughs at the notice while the kid continues on a path to an early death.
 
2013-02-25 10:25:17 PM  

reillan: so much this

/had a BMI of 29.5 3 years ago
//It's 21.6 today


Good job.

/Used to have a BMI of 39.
//Now I'm at 25. (Got down to 23 before I started lifting heavy things for fun.)
 
2013-02-25 10:27:52 PM  

Great Janitor: Sad that my school didn't send letters out like that when I was a kid.  I wasn't fat, just a bully.  Nothing says "Kick this kid's ass!" like a bunch of kids getting letters from the school calling them fat.  Especially after calling them fat all year long, then they get a letter from the school saying that they are fat.  Kill their self esteem and bullying becomes so much easier.


content9.flixster.com


S'up, Carl?
 
2013-02-25 10:29:39 PM  
temeez.com
 
2013-02-25 10:33:46 PM  
You all sound fat.
 
2013-02-25 10:36:47 PM  

occamswrist: 6'2" 190 lbs and bmi says I'm 5 lbs from obese. Glad im not a fattie (yet)...


Uh, not according to the calculator I just checked.

It says you are 24.4. 30 is obese and if you were 225 you still wouldn't score a thirty.

This calculator didn't ask for age though.
 
2013-02-25 10:39:41 PM  

codergirl42: max_pooper: codergirl42: cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?

If I wanted to know if my kid is fat and whether or not it's causing health problems for them I'll ask the pediatrician who has my kids complete medical history. I don't need some busy body school nurse writing me a strongly worded letter becuase she thinks my kid is unhealthy based on what the scale says.

//Doesn't have a kid.

What do you think these letters are for? The school nurses that check BMI are not taking a full medical history and making a diagnosis. They are simply telling you that your kid is a fat tub of goo. You can do what you want with that information. Good parents will talk to their pediatrician about it and determine what if anything needs to be done about it. Stupid parents will just biatch and moan and then order pizza for dinner for the third night in a row.

What a fatty based on the BMI scale might look like.


I like you.
 
2013-02-25 10:40:32 PM  
The way the school district my mother works for deals with this sends automatic calls to all students and faculty to teach them nutrition classes.  They seem to learn that hot pockets are not very nutritional with 50% the saturated fat allowance for one day is not acceptable meal?  No.  They don't learn that because they don't go to the classes.
 
2013-02-25 10:40:41 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: JohnAnnArbor: Boss Vic Koss: Look at the lunch menu's. http://www.aps1.net/index.aspx?NID=92

Just a sample:
* mozzarella sticks
* Chicken nuggets
* Domino's or Papa Gino's pizza
* 3 layer cheesy beans
* Mac & cheese

At least they are learning to eat right at school.

/sarcasm off

When my mom suggested to a school dietician that maybe the food should be healthy, her reply was "We think food should be fun!"

Not helping.

Exactly. It's a captive audience. The kid can eat the healthy food or starve... oh, wait. They're competing against vending machines full of Twinkies and cornwater.


i make food my kids eat and is good for them, mac and cheese with whole grain pasta
beef mac with whole grain pasta extra tomtoes real cheese and lean beef.
beef stew in the crock pot full of veggis and beef cooked with red wine.
meat sauce and pasta with Sausage in the crok pot cooked all day long
Fresh bread from whole grain flour
never use whjte bread or white flour only whole grain use olive oil and butter not hydroginated corn oil use lless salt and server real juice or iced tea and whole milk (organic) server fresh salads maake your dinners from scratch avoid cans use in season stuff. this is not hard just use you head. also all of my kids are in at least one sport the requires running or lots of walking.I may be fat but my kids are NOT. no diet soda no regular sodas if there is pizza we make it at home. itt takes me two hours totaal prep time for a full meal for 7 start the smal stuff and prep in the am finish when i get home.
in the crock pot meal i  put it together the night before and start it in the morning
 
2013-02-25 10:41:37 PM  

codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.


I would venture to say that these school officials are not qualified to tie their own shoes,

Really, there needs to be a constitutional amendment to demand some sort of qualifying standards for what is an extremely important and demanding job. It would certainly exclude those with room temperature IQs.
 
2013-02-25 10:42:23 PM  

codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.


Wow, you need a medical expert to tell you if your kid is fat?
 
2013-02-25 10:42:51 PM  

max_pooper: codergirl42: cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?

If I wanted to know if my kid is fat and whether or not it's causing health problems for them I'll ask the pediatrician who has my kids complete medical history. I don't need some busy body school nurse writing me a strongly worded letter becuase she thinks my kid is unhealthy based on what the scale says.

//Doesn't have a kid.

What do you think these letters are for? The school nurses that check BMI are not taking a full medical history and making a diagnosis. They are simply telling you that your kid is a fat tub of goo. You can do what you want with that information. Good parents will talk to their pediatrician about it and determine what if anything needs to be done about it. Stupid parents will just biatch and moan and then order pizza for dinner for the third night in a row.


And wash it down with soda.
 
2013-02-25 10:46:53 PM  

GilRuiz1: I thought "raising awareness" was a good thing.  Don't people want their awareness raised?
[www.lupus.org image 255x270]


Not if they're fat and stupid or fat and scared out of their wits by Faux News
 
2013-02-25 10:48:47 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?



Kind of sad being too dumb to recognize your kid is fat or may be borderline to it.  Seriously, only someone with a doctorate could possibly recognize that.

How to tell if your kid is on the fast track for being fat:
a)  you call the police because they're missing from their usual spot in front of the microwave, computer, or tv
b)  you know every detail about their recent appearance and dress because, chances are, they're parked in their usual spot for hours on end: long enough for the details to be burned into your brain.

How to tell if your kid is getting enough exercise:
a)  you don't bother calling the police when they're missing because "missing" is their normal state of being
b)  Should the police finally call you to identify your kid, you give them a non-committed "maybe that one" as you can't quite remember what they look like as thy're always outside doing something
 
2013-02-25 11:03:53 PM  

Xythero: I don't understand the outrage.  If your get a fat letter and you're kid is just "muscular,"  just concede that BMI isn't perfect and throw the letter away.  No one is making you do anything.


www.alexallied.combbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2013-02-25 11:05:25 PM  
Lotta butthurt fatties in here. Get off your lazy asses, do a little exercise, and lay off the fast food. You're gross and unhealthy. Better yourself.
 
2013-02-25 11:07:46 PM  
If you don't know that your fat kid is fat unless somebody tells you, you might be a moran.
 
2013-02-25 11:09:52 PM  

Xythero: I don't understand the outrage.  If your get a fat letter and you're kid is just "muscular,"  just concede that BMI isn't perfect and throw the letter away.  No one is making you do anything.


B...but they called my baby "fat"!  I'll have them know I make sure he only eats whole wheat Lean Pockets!
 
2013-02-25 11:10:06 PM  

codergirl42: Last I checked being a fatty-fat-fatty was pretty noticible. If the parents cared they'd already have seen a pediatrician instead of waiting for the school nurse to send a letter notifying them of thier fatty-fat-fatness.

taken away the kids' computers and video games, stopped buying junk food and starchy snacks, and made them get some exercise.

FTFY
 
2013-02-25 11:13:05 PM  
ct.fra.bz
 
2013-02-25 11:16:38 PM  

Smackledorfer: dj_bigbird: Wow, people are still using BMI to evaluate an individual's health? What's next? Phrenology?

The vast majority of adults, and moreso children, lack the muscle mass to throw off the charts. Even more rarely would it push someone from healthy to obese.

You sound big boned.


You sound like you've never actually seen a range of children.

/Because yes, BMI is completely useless for children, children  do not fit growth scales on nice neat models. They would do better with a fat percentage; you can do that in ten seconds with a thing that looks like a Nintendo.
//Seriously, if  Curves can figure this out, our public school system should be able to cope.
 
2013-02-25 11:17:21 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Boss Vic Koss: Look at the lunch menu's. http://www.aps1.net/index.aspx?NID=92

Just a sample:
* mozzarella sticks
* Chicken nuggets
* Domino's or Papa Gino's pizza
* 3 layer cheesy beans
* Mac & cheese

At least they are learning to eat right at school.

/sarcasm off

When my mom suggested to a school dietician that maybe the food should be healthy, her reply was "We think food should be fun!"

Not helping.


When I was in 3rd grade (ca 1994) the district went on a "health push" and upped the vegetables, cut back on pizza, canned fruits and such things deemed "bad".

I asked why we didn't get anything good anymore and was told,"but the vegetables are good for you!"

I responded with, "but if no one eats them, then what's the difference?"

/canned peas and carrots, all round filed by the students
//teacher got a "oh shiat, a live one!" look
///anti authoritarian since before I realized it meant anything
 
2013-02-25 11:19:00 PM  

PsiChick: Smackledorfer: dj_bigbird: Wow, people are still using BMI to evaluate an individual's health? What's next? Phrenology?

The vast majority of adults, and moreso children, lack the muscle mass to throw off the charts. Even more rarely would it push someone from healthy to obese.

You sound big boned.

You sound like you've never actually seen a range of children.

/Because yes, BMI is completely useless for children, children  do not fit growth scales on nice neat models. They would do better with a fat percentage; you can do that in ten seconds with a thing that looks like a Nintendo.
//Seriously, if  Curves can figure this out, our public school system should be able to cope.


You sound fat.
 
2013-02-25 11:20:23 PM  
In case, you know, the parents hadn't noticed.
 
2013-02-25 11:48:33 PM  

meat0918:  you're going to get ganged up on if you dare tell someone they might be leading an unhealthy lifestyle.


Because the new norm is to point out the faults of someone else to make yourself feel better. 

BarkingUnicorn: meat0918: Mugato: I was always told that I was too skinny by everyone when I was a kid, why is it unacceptable to  call someone out as being a fat fark? Especially when being fat is more unhealthy than being skinny?

Because fat is the new normal.

It is now abnormal to be of a healthy weight.  Skinny is the out group, fat is the in group, and you're going to get ganged up on if you dare tell someone they might be leading an unhealthy lifestyle.

You mean like saying, "You're gonna go to Hell if you don't accept my God?"


Or "I'm going to pick on you because you aren't like me" which is more common in the current era.
 
2013-02-25 11:49:29 PM  
Peter Nieman, a well-known pediatrician based at Calgary's Pediatric Weight Clinic, says that more often than not, when he sits down with parents of children who are overweight or obese, they don't even realize there's a problem.

Then, Nieman shows them growth charts and explains the trajectory their children are on: continued weight gain resulting in a significantly increased risk for high blood pressure, Type 2 diabetes, heart disease, stroke and many other serious conditions.

"They're sometimes stunned to see how bad it is," Nieman said.


Full article here ('How Fat Has Become The New Normal'):
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/how-fa t- has-become-the-new-normal/article4576071/
 
2013-02-25 11:53:38 PM  
You can tell who is fat just by looking at them, but you aren't allowed to say they're fat based on that alone, because they get mad when you remind them they look fat.

This is where the BMI comes in. SCIENCE says they're fat, and they can continue to delude themselves about their appearance.
 
2013-02-25 11:53:55 PM  
I have no problem with this. Frankly, some parents won't do anything about a problem with their kid until they get an official notification. Some parents know damn well that their kid has behavior issues, but I don't have a problem with teachers sending letters home describing how little Jimmy screams all day or puts glue in other kids' hair. Some kids need more attention with reading or math, and I don't have a problem with teachers sending report cards home letting parents know how their kid is doing in academics. BMI measurements aren't perfect, certainly, but I would venture to guess that most kids who get these letters sent home probably need some attention paid to their physical fitness. Most of the folks I know who would raise a stink about this letter situation are the same folks who would probably biatch about "the goddamned government" spending so much money on phys ed programs.
 
2013-02-26 12:31:21 AM  

codergirl42: max_pooper: codergirl42: cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?

If I wanted to know if my kid is fat and whether or not it's causing health problems for them I'll ask the pediatrician who has my kids complete medical history. I don't need some busy body school nurse writing me a strongly worded letter becuase she thinks my kid is unhealthy based on what the scale says.

//Doesn't have a kid.

What do you think these letters are for? The school nurses that check BMI are not taking a full medical history and making a diagnosis. They are simply telling you that your kid is a fat tub of goo. You can do what you want with that information. Good parents will talk to their pediatrician about it and determine what if anything needs to be done about it. Stupid parents will just biatch and moan and then order pizza for dinner for the third night in a row.

What a fatty based on the BMI scale might look like.

[shechive.files.wordpress.com image 500x689]


They're not sending letters to parents of kids who look like that. Yes BMI is a completely bullshiat measurement, but if your little lardlet jiggles when it walks, bmi is kind of a moot point.
 
2013-02-26 12:36:14 AM  
"It goes to a larger problem, the Department of Public Health is losing sight of what its focus is and expanding too many areas," Lyons said"

No kidding.
 
2013-02-26 12:40:07 AM  
BMI is junk.  I have no problem with publicly calling out obese people but BMI is just such a broken system that people shouldn't even try to use it to justify anything.
 
2013-02-26 12:42:53 AM  
Is this the thread where every farker's fat little snowflakes are body builders and so the BMI scale doesn't apply?
 
2013-02-26 12:47:07 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

I would venture to say that these school officials are not qualified to tie their own shoes,

Really, there needs to be a constitutional amendment to demand some sort of qualifying standards for what is an extremely important and demanding job. It would certainly exclude those with room temperature IQs.


Please.  From what I hear, every teacher in America is so smart that they could EASILY be making six figures in the private sector.

/ BMI may be junk, but it never hurts to try and motivate the parents to maybe get their kids to move a bit more.
// I would have been mortified as a kid, and my mom and dad knew I was obese, but they might have taken it on as a challenge.  If ONE family does this, the letters are worth it.
 
2013-02-26 12:49:25 AM  

max_pooper: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

I don't see how this is any different from school nurses checking for head lice or scoliosis.


I loathed the scoliosis screening. Why yes, we are aware of if. No we are not a candidate for surgery. I have a fantastic pediatrician and your cracker jack RN degree does not override the specialists. Just what I want to do in the middle of the school day is take off my shirt in front of strangers.

Not you personally but the management and nurses were WAY ahead of the present day failboat. This was 15 years ago too.
 
2013-02-26 12:56:59 AM  

scottydoesntknow: They should take each letter, and put it in a massive box full of packing popcorn. When it arrives at the parent's house, they have to dig and dig just to find the letter. When they open it, it'll say "Did you see how fat and useless this package was? Your child is even worse."


I read the contents of the letter in GladOS's voice.  And it fit.
 
2013-02-26 12:58:46 AM  
The parents should send their kids back with an Asshole Letter informing the school they're a bunch of assholes. The kids know they're fat. The parents know they're fat. The only way not to know is to not own a mirror. If one cannot tell by looking in a mirror then they are most def not fat. No need to be jerks about it, and damage the kid's psyches.
 
2013-02-26 01:04:53 AM  
Parents of fat children are often completely in denial. The people I nannied for (Notre Dame grads and successful) had an onese child. They thought he had baby fat. The kid was HUGE. The mom said "oh he is just built like daddy" (Really!? A 40 year old man? was he a fatty as a child?!). They would get pizza and Mcdonalds every week and feed him fries and chicken nuggets and mac and cheese in between. They often had doughnuts for breakfast. They couldnt understand why they were fat when they exercised all the time (they really did). The doctor told them the kid was obese and they were offended. They got angry when another child called him fat and he came home crying and saying he wanted them to buy him a treadmill so he wouldnt be fat anymore. They did not buy the treadmill but they did complain to the school. This kid played tons of sports but was fat anyway. Playing sports doesnt mean your kid isnt fat.
 
2013-02-26 01:12:19 AM  

Double Time: BMI is junk.  I have no problem with publicly calling out obese people but BMI is just such a broken system that people shouldn't even try to use it to justify anything.


why not
 
kab
2013-02-26 01:30:25 AM  
Cool, a fat thread.  Have we gone through all the unbelievably clever and original meme's yet?  Bickered about BMI?  Posed as 4 minute mile, 3% body fat bastions of physical prowess?  Given unfaltering diet advice?

Excellent, just checking.
 
2013-02-26 01:47:58 AM  
By "fat letter" you mean F?  In P.E.?  Do schools still have P.E.?  And give F's?

/?
 
2013-02-26 02:04:12 AM  

The WindowLicker: It sounds like you have a serious problem with the BMI scale, unfortunately it is not thatwrong.

I agree the BMI system is inherantly flawed, however the factors that throw it off are not dominant in children. It is easy to exceed your reccomended weight if you are a bodybuilder with a low body fat percentage.


Except that the BMI was never really designed to be used in children in the first place, but rather for actuarial scales in life insurance. :D   (There IS some real question as to the utility of the traditional BMI in kids, because measurements in children are basically "retrofitted".)

That said--the thing I'd REALLY be interested in re the "fat letter" thing is how they intend to balance this with ADA requirements and IDEA--and no, I'm not referring to folks who consider being a fatty-boombalady to be a disability.

(ECE classes tend to come to mind here, because (interestingly) a lot of the same genetic and chromosomal conditions that can cause intellectual disabilities can also cause the body metabolism to go weird and to cause high BMI values--Down syndrome and Prader-Willi being examples (and the latter in particular an infamous one because it not only causes ravenous, insatiable hunger in Prader-Willi kids but also causes significant slowing of metabolism to the point it's almost impossible to keep them from getting Daily Talk Show Televised Freakshow levels of obese).)

(There are also some rather more pedestrian, not-requiring-IEPs-and-special-classes conditions in kids that can cause the BMI to go out the window.  For one, the BMI tables really aren't designed for kids (or adults, for that matter) with achrondoplasia (the most common form of dwarfism in humans--for the feline version, cross-reference Grumpy Cat) as short limbs (and normal torso) throw off height measurements.  There are also some conditions fairly common in kids that can cause the BMI to go off-track--systemic steroid treatment for severe asthma can make you blimp up pretty good.)

/seriously, considering that some of the IDEA and Title 504 and ADA lawsuits have pretty much mandated mainstreaming in classes even in some cases where it may be inappropriate or where more specialised teaching or therapy may be more helpful, I'd be shocked if a lawsuit didn't come out of this
 
2013-02-26 02:04:18 AM  
No one else dredged up this old chestnut?
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-26 02:07:30 AM  
So they only get BMI through height and weight? 
At least get the fat percentage number in there too. No need to weigh them in water, just get a general idea with a few skinfold measurements...

And btw, yes you can get an F in PE, mostly when the teachers expect you and your weird heart to go from rest to fast in a bleep test and not pop 180bpm with a heartrate monitor on you... Never spent more time in a gym on that semester than i did in every year before combined. Seems i should've had that confirmed by a doc, too late now. That school's been sued by a guy just because he failed a single heartrate test, pretty much my situation, except he was in way better shape.
 
2013-02-26 02:28:44 AM  
Good, no GREAT. I really feel parents should be held accountable. This should be considered child abuse.

/ legit medical reasons aside.
 
2013-02-26 02:30:08 AM  
They shouldn't post letters, they should turn up on the kids doorstep as a "Gunnery Sargent Hartman-o-Gram" and drive the message home with some choice quotes from Full Metal Jacket
 
2013-02-26 04:19:45 AM  
 max_pooper: codergirl42: cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?

If I wanted to know if my kid is fat and whether or not it's causing health problems for them I'll ask the pediatrician who has my kids complete medical history. I don't need some busy body school nurse writing me a strongly worded letter becuase she thinks my kid is unhealthy based on what the scale says.

//Doesn't have a kid.

What do you think these letters are for? The school nurses that check BMI are not taking a full medical history and making a diagnosis. They are simply telling you that your kid is a fat tub of goo. You can do what you want with that information. Good parents will talk to their pediatrician about it and determine what if anything needs to be done about it. Stupid parents will just biatch and moan and then order pizza for dinner for the third night in a row.

What a fatty based on the BMI scale might look like.


I like you.


So much this
 
2013-02-26 04:25:01 AM  
Damnit - stupid html lameness.  Can we still get more pictures anyway?
 
2013-02-26 04:31:42 AM  

Wholesaler: Good, no GREAT. I really feel parents should be held accountable. This should be considered child abuse.

/ legit medical reasons aside.


^^^ This

Knowingly causing early death in a child should be considered abuse.
Anyone who biatches about the BMI is probably fat
If you are muscular and realistically big boned, why would you give a fark

sometimes truth hurts, thats fine
but dont let your delusion hurt your kids assholes

EVERYONE should have the right to self harm (the consequences are yours, thats enough)
But causing it in a child is abhorrent

// doing it to a pet also pisses me off, but I wont point it out to these pricks because its a waste of oxygen
 
2013-02-26 06:02:36 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-26 06:06:32 AM  
Hilarious.

I was a fat kid, I knew.  This isn't going to change anything or help anyone, but it's still hilarious.
 
2013-02-26 07:19:01 AM  
I suppose there's a reason someone named it "body mass index" and not "body fat index" or some such other thing.  As if anything that has mass, and not just fat, might contribute.  Perhaps if they used a better indicator, there'd be fewer complaints?  Like using a ruler as a hammer... "well this is a crappy ruler, you can't even drive a 10d nail with it!"

I'd be fine with schools changing up the food they provide to encourage healthier eating, and gym classes with intelligently designed activity to get eveyone moving and leaving it at that.

Even when I was a kid, it was generally accepted in our community that school food wasn't that healthy.  I got packed lunches the vast majority of the time and buying lunch was dangled over my head as a treat.
 
2013-02-26 08:41:14 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: occamswrist: 6'2" 190 lbs and bmi says I'm 5 lbs from obese. Glad im not a fattie (yet)...

be careful.  cause it happens INSTANTLY!


If I don't poop before dinner it'll happen today!!!
 
2013-02-26 08:43:07 AM  

Smackledorfer: occamswrist: 6'2" 190 lbs and bmi says I'm 5 lbs from obese. Glad im not a fattie (yet)...

Uh, not according to the calculator I just checked.

It says you are 24.4. 30 is obese and if you were 225 you still wouldn't score a thirty.

This calculator didn't ask for age though.


I randomly found one on the internet...guess its wrong...
 
2013-02-26 08:49:35 AM  
Send 'em to the outback.

(Not the one that serves steak)
 
2013-02-26 09:08:29 AM  

The WindowLicker: /I have never met an in-shape person with strong feelings about things like BMI or weight standards.


My BMI tells me that I'm overweight.  I find it humorous.


/triathlete
//not a clydesdale
 
2013-02-26 11:29:35 AM  

dj_bigbird: Wow, people are still using BMI to evaluate an individual's health? What's next? Phrenology?


People who think they're too good for the BMI are invariably lard-butts.
 
2013-02-26 11:38:09 AM  

Mose: I suppose there's a reason someone named it "body mass index" and not "body fat index" or some such other thing.  As if anything that has mass, and not just fat, might contribute.  Perhaps if they used a better indicator, there'd be fewer complaints?  Like using a ruler as a hammer... "well this is a crappy ruler, you can't even drive a 10d nail with it!"

I'd be fine with schools changing up the food they provide to encourage healthier eating, and gym classes with intelligently designed activity to get eveyone moving and leaving it at that.

Even when I was a kid, it was generally accepted in our community that school food wasn't that healthy.  I got packed lunches the vast majority of the time and buying lunch was dangled over my head as a treat.


You are not special, and there is nothing remarkable about your mass distribution.  If you are charted overweight or obese by the BMI, chances are 99% that you just are, and none of the lies you tell yourself will make it different.  You know why doctors use it as a common easily applied indicator of obesity?  Cause it works just fine unless you're a professional football player.  And guess what!?  If you ARE just a big slab of muscles, they don't look at your BMI and say, "You're too fat, lose weight."  They just don't talk to you about it because they can clearly see you're a tank and they don't need to tell you about taking care of yourself.

"What does that ignorant doctor know about MY health, I'm ME, he's just some guy," is some of the craziest delusional behavior I've ever seen someone exhibit, and you see it all the time.  These idiots getting positive reinforcement from other lardos about how educated people who specialize in healthcare are less able to understand their personal situation than people who barely made it out of high school sicken me.
 
2013-02-26 12:11:14 PM  

ACunningPlan: Pretty much agree with everything - except my kids have to have an annual physical for school.  No 8 yr old goes from normal to 200 lb in twelve months, so why aren't the docs picking this up?


My guess is that doctors are picking it up, but they can't make the parents feed the kid less or insure the child isn't sneaking food.

Also, I grew up without insurance. Other than my childhood inoculations I saw a doctor for a toe x-ray at age 10, and some visiting medical staff at the school for a physical to join 7th grade football. I didn't see a doctor again until age 25 when I got a job with health insurance and met my doctor.
 
2013-02-26 12:14:08 PM  

Super_pope: Mose: I suppose there's a reason someone named it "body mass index" and not "body fat index" or some such other thing.  As if anything that has mass, and not just fat, might contribute.  Perhaps if they used a better indicator, there'd be fewer complaints?  Like using a ruler as a hammer... "well this is a crappy ruler, you can't even drive a 10d nail with it!"

I'd be fine with schools changing up the food they provide to encourage healthier eating, and gym classes with intelligently designed activity to get eveyone moving and leaving it at that.

Even when I was a kid, it was generally accepted in our community that school food wasn't that healthy.  I got packed lunches the vast majority of the time and buying lunch was dangled over my head as a treat.

You are not special, and there is nothing remarkable about your mass distribution.  If you are charted overweight or obese by the BMI, chances are 99% that you just are, and none of the lies you tell yourself will make it different.  You know why doctors use it as a common easily applied indicator of obesity?  Cause it works just fine unless you're a professional football player.  And guess what!?  If you ARE just a big slab of muscles, they don't look at your BMI and say, "You're too fat, lose weight."  They just don't talk to you about it because they can clearly see you're a tank and they don't need to tell you about taking care of yourself.

"What does that ignorant doctor know about MY health, I'm ME, he's just some guy," is some of the craziest delusional behavior I've ever seen someone exhibit, and you see it all the time.  These idiots getting positive reinforcement from other lardos about how educated people who specialize in healthcare are less able to understand their personal situation than people who barely made it out of high school sicken me.


My extra large penis adds at least 1-2 bmi points.

Oh, and there's this:

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1244317

So between my Johnson and my height I guess I'm not fat...
 
2013-02-26 12:23:14 PM  
Both of my boys are slender and at around the 10th percentile for bmi at their ages, so I am constantly being told by my in-laws that they are too skinny, particularly if I tell them they can't have dessert unless they finish their vegetables.  My mother-in-law and her entire clan are a bunch of land whales that love accusing me of starving the poor babies.  The pediatrician raves about how healthy and strong they are, so the mother-in-law calls him a "quack."  America...
 
2013-02-26 12:25:25 PM  
I am completely behind fat shaming. Sure, someone else already mentioned this, but BMI is incorrect in muscular individuals because it only relates body weight to height based on an average (which isn't even ideal).
 
2013-02-26 01:05:52 PM  
Muscular people with high BMI:
"Meh, it's just a guideline. False positive"

Fat people with high BMI:
"Why are you persecuting me? I AM NOT FAT!!!1!!"
 
2013-02-26 03:00:33 PM  
The problem here is that these "fat letters" do nothing about the health of children that might fall perfectly within the "acceptable" BMI range, but are sedentary and eat garbage all day long.  We serve kids stuff just passable as food, we cut PE and nutrition education, and then we're surprised that kids (and adults) grow up ignorant about health.  You can be lean and tall and still be sitting around eating cheetos and playing video games all day.  You're not healthy, you just look the part.  If we're really serious about health, and not just about body size, we'd take measures to ensure that ALL children are getting what they need.
 
2013-02-26 05:15:19 PM  

occamswrist: I randomly found one on the internet...guess its wrong...


Once you're an adult age doesn't matter for BMI.

There's probably been more work done on the BMI for children than for adults, and due to varying development speeds it's probably even less accurate on average.

Aodan: The problem here is that these "fat letters" do nothing about the health of children that might fall perfectly within the "acceptable" BMI range, but are sedentary and eat garbage all day long.  We serve kids stuff just passable as food, we cut PE and nutrition education, and then we're surprised that kids (and adults) grow up ignorant about health.  You can be lean and tall and still be sitting around eating cheetos and playing video games all day.  You're not healthy, you just look the part.  If we're really serious about health, and not just about body size, we'd take measures to ensure that ALL children are getting what they need.


As you say, PE is extremely important, and I believe there should be a 'life skills' class in school that covers darn near everything you need to live, but aren't individually big enough to constitute a class.

Things like Driver's Ed, Health Ed, Nutrition, Firearm safety, Chemical/Electrical safety(basic, not high voltage or chlorine triflouride), Sex Ed, first aid, basic liability law, etc...

Then have a section swimming in PE, make sure that basic accounting/budgeting is part of math class, etc...
 
2013-02-26 06:18:02 PM  

codergirl42: max_pooper: codergirl42: cameroncrazy1984: codergirl42: Hrmmm unqualified school officials giving unsolicited medical advice, sounds like a great plan.

Aren't school nurses supposed to be licensed or registered?

If I wanted to know if my kid is fat and whether or not it's causing health problems for them I'll ask the pediatrician who has my kids complete medical history. I don't need some busy body school nurse writing me a strongly worded letter becuase she thinks my kid is unhealthy based on what the scale says.

//Doesn't have a kid.

What do you think these letters are for? The school nurses that check BMI are not taking a full medical history and making a diagnosis. They are simply telling you that your kid is a fat tub of goo. You can do what you want with that information. Good parents will talk to their pediatrician about it and determine what if anything needs to be done about it. Stupid parents will just biatch and moan and then order pizza for dinner for the third night in a row.

Dear, Mr. & Mrs. Fats we regret to inform you that you have failed as a parent.  Based on the flawed BMI scale we have determined your kid is fat. PLEASE SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION IMMEDIATLY.


BMI is flawed, but generally useful for most people. Those with a naturally large build or tremendous muscles will have problems, but the average person is served just fine. As long as you aren't an outlier. I think people get pissed at the BMI system most often when it tells them a truth they were trying to deny.
 
2013-02-26 07:44:24 PM  

occamswrist: Jon iz teh kewl: occamswrist: 6'2" 190 lbs and bmi says I'm 5 lbs from obese. Glad im not a fattie (yet)...

be careful.  cause it happens INSTANTLY!

If I don't poop before dinner it'll happen today!!!


contrary to POPULAR BELIEF.  pooping is the FASTEST way to lose weight.
don't even have to go to a gym
just sit down and.  well shiat
 
2013-02-26 10:48:35 PM  

Mugato: I was always told that I was too skinny by everyone when I was a kid, why is it unacceptable to  call someone out as being a fat fark? Especially when being fat is more unhealthy than being skinny?


This!! I had doctors tell me on numerous occations to work out to build weight! I don't see the difference. School nurse told my mom I had scoliosis. Mom took me to the doctor where he confirmed it. All went well. For a long time I was underweight according to the BMI scale too. I'm normal now.
 
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