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2013-02-25 03:38:54 PM  
Hold Me.
 
2013-02-25 03:47:27 PM  
Nah, she just realizes that the cuts are going to hurt her, personally, so she cares.
 
2013-02-25 03:48:27 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

What something that isn't even right twice a day looks like.
 
2013-02-25 04:38:36 PM  
Translation: Oh, this is going to hurt me, so it's bad.
 
2013-02-25 05:25:39 PM  

FloydA: Nah, she just realizes that the cuts are going to hurt her, personally, so she cares.


Well sure, that was the whole idea to begin with. It was supposed to hold their feet to the flames so they'd have to compromise the goddamn thing. Maybe they will after all. I'd like to think there's some semblance of a chance of this happening, but I'm not gonna get happy about it yet.
 
2013-02-25 06:09:45 PM  
Every try to get a kindergarten class organized to focus on a single task?

Yeah... good luck with that!
 
2013-02-25 06:23:26 PM  
Translated: "Without those Federal funds, the rubes are going to realize exactly how badly we've borked the State budget..."
 
2013-02-25 07:18:53 PM  

hubiestubert: Translated: "Without those Federal funds, the rubes are going to realize exactly how badly we've borked the State budget..."


Probably.
 
2013-02-25 07:21:25 PM  
No, hers is the voice of hypocrisy.
 
2013-02-25 07:36:09 PM  

coco ebert: No, hers is the voice of hypocrisy.


Actually... This came to mind first:

i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-25 07:40:13 PM  
This doesn't count, she's a Governor, all of them are going to be hurting politically by this, so they don't want it to happen.

The only thing I'm enjoying about this sequester nonsense is that after all of the talk of "government doesn't create jobs" and "less government = better economy" the Republicans have had to finally tacitly acknowledge that those talking points are pull of crap, and have instead shifted to "it was all the President's idea, we didn't want anything to do with it" approach, which, if I recall correctly, didn't help me when I was caught sneaking into the movie theaters with my friends.
 
2013-02-25 07:58:22 PM  

nmrsnr: This doesn't count, she's a Governor, all of them are going to be hurting politically by this, so they don't want it to happen.

The only thing I'm enjoying about this sequester nonsense is that after all of the talk of "government doesn't create jobs" and "less government = better economy" the Republicans have had to finally tacitly acknowledge that those talking points are pull of crap, and have instead shifted to "it was all the President's idea, we didn't want anything to do with it" approach, which, if I recall correctly, didn't help me when I was caught sneaking into the movie theaters with my friends.


Pretty much. States are going to have to figure out how to balance programs that they've become reliant upon, or worse, have shifted funding around to so that they are entirely reliant upon them. Programs across the nation are going to be slashed, and there will be very real fallout, as suddenly the coffers dry up, and the folks who've had their hands out, along with folks who have genuine need are going to be hit. Not just the middle men and the folks at the end whose programs are going to be cut, but those workers have banks looking to them for payments. Utility companies. Grocery stores. Distributors. All sorts of folks are going to get hit, and suddenly, they're going to have to learn how to either administrate efficiently, or scream bloody murder. I suspect the latter is going to be preferred choice, and to their bought Congresscritters...
 
2013-02-25 08:05:15 PM  
So, "I got mine, so f--k you... oh, crap, you might take the mine that I got away from me?  F--k!".

Got it.
 
2013-02-25 08:05:22 PM  

hubiestubert: Translated: "Without those Federal funds, the rubes are going to realize exactly how badly we've borked the State budget..."


^

This this this this this this etc.
 
2013-02-25 08:08:53 PM  

nmrsnr: The only thing I'm enjoying about this sequester nonsense is that after all of the talk of "government doesn't create jobs" and "less government = better economy" the Republicans have had to finally tacitly acknowledge that those talking points are pull of crap, and have instead shifted to "it was all the President's idea, we didn't want anything to do with it" approach, which, if I recall correctly, didn't help me when I was caught sneaking into the movie theaters with my friends.


When Obama was first trying to pass a stimulus bill there were Farkers here screaming at the top of their keyboards that gummint don't never create jerbs.

Will they show up here and explain why they were right then, and now it's different somehow?

Will Halle Berry knock on my door wearing only a trenchcoat and bunny slippers?  That seems more likely to happen today.
 
2013-02-25 08:14:12 PM  
All those Red States that cut all local income taxes(for the rich folks profit) and now rely on blue States taxes via the feds....
BWwaaahahhahhahahah
 
2013-02-25 08:16:59 PM  

hubiestubert: Not just the middle men


I just spent like 10 minutes looking for that "middleman" Firefly macro you post, but I can't seem to find it. You should keep them somewhere for future access.
 
2013-02-25 08:18:52 PM  

hubiestubert: nmrsnr: This doesn't count, she's a Governor, all of them are going to be hurting politically by this, so they don't want it to happen.

The only thing I'm enjoying about this sequester nonsense is that after all of the talk of "government doesn't create jobs" and "less government = better economy" the Republicans have had to finally tacitly acknowledge that those talking points are pull of crap, and have instead shifted to "it was all the President's idea, we didn't want anything to do with it" approach, which, if I recall correctly, didn't help me when I was caught sneaking into the movie theaters with my friends.

Pretty much. States are going to have to figure out how to balance programs that they've become reliant upon, or worse, have shifted funding around to so that they are entirely reliant upon them. Programs across the nation are going to be slashed, and there will be very real fallout, as suddenly the coffers dry up, and the folks who've had their hands out, along with folks who have genuine need are going to be hit. Not just the middle men and the folks at the end whose programs are going to be cut, but those workers have banks looking to them for payments. Utility companies. Grocery stores. Distributors. All sorts of folks are going to get hit, and suddenly, they're going to have to learn how to either administrate efficiently, or scream bloody murder. I suspect the latter is going to be preferred choice, and to their bought Congresscritters...


I'll just sit here while the Republican gains in governors becomes a thing of the past.  It'll be great to get Snyder and Walker out of the Midwest, and perhaps watch state government change hands as well.

The Republicans are signing their own death warrant here.
 
2013-02-25 08:22:31 PM  
I really hope red states (like my own) get the worst of this. Once people actually see what drastic spending cuts will do to them, there's a tiny chance that they'll vote the farkers who let it get this far out of office then we can go back to the ridiculously dysfunctional but still somehow workable system that's kept us going for the last 237 years
 
2013-02-25 08:24:40 PM  
There is NO SUCH THING as a "moderate" in today's gop!

If you see some republican sounding "moderate", it's just the old "good cop/bad cop" horsesh*t they think will make the voters come back to the republican fold. Suckers!

"Compassionate Conservative". Remember how much mileage Dubya got with that steaming pantsload??
 
2013-02-25 08:28:06 PM  
I have no problem with Gov. Brewer's stance on this at all. It seems she IS being reasonable here. She knows that tax increases can be preferable to spending cuts. She pleads that her party's congressional members agree. To claim she only cares because it affects her constituency is not faulty of her; it is for the most part, what she should be doing as a Governor.
 
2013-02-25 08:28:36 PM  
Just for you, Jan:

i28.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-25 08:31:09 PM  

nmrsnr: I just spent like 10 minutes looking for that "middleman" Firefly macro you post, but I can't seem to find it. You should keep them somewhere for future access.


home.comcast.net
 
2013-02-25 08:32:04 PM  
No, no - the Democrats got their tax hikes in the last round of negotiations, so there can't ever be any other tax increases ever again. Nor can we close any of the loopholes we were proposing to close last time, because of reasons.
 
2013-02-25 08:37:56 PM  

nmrsnr: This doesn't count, she's a Governor, all of them are going to be hurting politically by this, so they don't want it to happen.

The only thing I'm enjoying about this sequester nonsense is that after all of the talk of "government doesn't create jobs" and "less government = better economy" the Republicans have had to finally tacitly acknowledge that those talking points are pull of crap, and have instead shifted to "it was all the President's idea, we didn't want anything to do with it" approach, which, if I recall correctly, didn't help me when I was caught sneaking into the movie theaters with my friends.


So Obama failed you, too.
 
2013-02-25 08:38:26 PM  

El Pachuco: nmrsnr: The only thing I'm enjoying about this sequester nonsense is that after all of the talk of "government doesn't create jobs" and "less government = better economy" the Republicans have had to finally tacitly acknowledge that those talking points are pull of crap, and have instead shifted to "it was all the President's idea, we didn't want anything to do with it" approach, which, if I recall correctly, didn't help me when I was caught sneaking into the movie theaters with my friends.

When Obama was first trying to pass a stimulus bill there were Farkers here screaming at the top of their keyboards that gummint don't never create jerbs.

Will they show up here and explain why they were right then, and now it's different somehow?

Will Halle Berry knock on my door wearing only a trenchcoat and bunny slippers?  That seems more likely to happen today.


If she does, get pics.
 
2013-02-25 08:39:08 PM  

James F. Campbell: nmrsnr: I just spent like 10 minutes looking for that "middleman" Firefly macro you post, but I can't seem to find it. You should keep them somewhere for future access.

[home.comcast.net image 640x512]


::right click, save::

Thanks.
 
2013-02-25 08:42:15 PM  

FloydA: Nah, she just realizes that the cuts are going to hurt her, personally, so she cares.


Came to say this.

She knows it'll cost her re-election, so she is positioning herself as the "see I tried to get them to knock this partisan BS off" person.
 
2013-02-25 08:42:46 PM  

Ablejack: I have no problem with Gov. Brewer's stance on this at all. It seems she IS being reasonable here. She knows that tax increases can be preferable to spending cuts. She pleads that her party's congressional members agree. To claim she only cares because it affects her constituency is not faulty of her; it is for the most part, what she should be doing as a Governor.


As a former resident of the state, she is only being "reasonable" in that the state is heavily reliant on Federal funds for a LOT of programs. The State has been selling buildings to cover state budgets over the last few years--buildings that they now pay rent for, along with being responsible for their upkeep and maintenance for. Those rents contribute to the state's budget as payouts to the lucky SOBs who got to make their bids on the municipal buildings, and oddly enough, who do you think that they regularly contribute to? Arizona is deliciously corrupt, as much so as Massachusetts or Illinois or even Florida. The state has been working to shed as much responsibility as they can over for programs, and now they are realizing that the folks that their house of cards is about to start wobbling, and that will mean that the State legislature is going to have to come up with a local solution, and NO ONE wants that.

Brewer is not really able to wrangle her State legislature so easily, and this is very much her looking to cover her own ass, and the rest of the state. Much as Christie is realizing what the national Legislature is absolutely not looking out for their interests. This is a crisis that has the potential to split the party, or at least damage it heavily, as Governors and State legislatures are going to be faced with some difficult challenges, and the brinksmanship that the Congress is playing right now is going to cascade right back on the Governors, and the state legislatures, and right down to city and town positions. Which, the national caucus really hasn't realized, thinking that these are pools of "safe" support, but they're about to kick out that support as they sell communities downriver...
 
2013-02-25 08:47:36 PM  
GOP to Jan Brewer: "You knew I was a snake, my dear, before you took me in."
 
2013-02-25 08:47:42 PM  
I can't tell you the joy I will feel as Arizona goes up in flames after decades of pandering to the most extreme right wing racist nut jobs out there.
 
2013-02-25 08:53:18 PM  
Voice of reason my ass.  All she's worried about is her state will lose federal funding.  They talk a good game, but when the rubber hits the road, republicans love federal money as much as democrats.
 
2013-02-25 08:56:32 PM  
I read this this morning and thought the exact same thing.  It's a bad day when Jan Brewer is making sense.
 
2013-02-25 08:58:25 PM  

Great_Milenko: Voice of reason my ass.  All she's worried about is her state will lose federal funding.  They talk a good game, but when the rubber hits the road, republicans love federal money as much as democrats.


Up until five years ago, they bragged about it. Earmarks were a Republican art form. They would run on seniority, same as Democrats, to get in charge of committees and bring the bacon home to their own districts.

Only because of Bush II did any of that sentiment change, and soon it will change back. Republicans will return to fighting for their *own* districts and be worshiped as heroes with their names put on buildings and bridges once again.
 
2013-02-25 08:58:57 PM  
The power of the Overton Window.
 
2013-02-25 09:02:26 PM  
thepoliticalcarnival.net
 
2013-02-25 09:05:09 PM  
I am not worried about the Jan Brewer's of the world. Normal (ie hucksterish, insincere) politicians are looking for middle ground right now. Beware of the the psychopaths who want this to happen, the true Randians who want our economy destroyed so the true Atlases can rise up from the ashes to create their new utopia.

Jan Brewer is just another politician trying to get out of a corner she and her party painted her into with stupid policies.
 
2013-02-25 09:06:40 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: nmrsnr: This doesn't count, she's a Governor, all of them are going to be hurting politically by this, so they don't want it to happen.

The only thing I'm enjoying about this sequester nonsense is that after all of the talk of "government doesn't create jobs" and "less government = better economy" the Republicans have had to finally tacitly acknowledge that those talking points are pull of crap, and have instead shifted to "it was all the President's idea, we didn't want anything to do with it" approach, which, if I recall correctly, didn't help me when I was caught sneaking into the movie theaters with my friends.

So Obama failed you, too.


The GOP failed big time, and they are trying to shift the blame to Obama. Most of the people will see through the bullcrap.
 
2013-02-25 09:09:07 PM  

FloydA: Nah, she just realizes that the cuts are going to hurt her, personally, so she cares.


This. This is why this particular stunt is going to hurt the GOP: "fark you, I got mine" gives way to "I don't got mine, fark you!" pretty easily. Blaming the President only goes so far when there's a House majority that failed to thwart his Kenyan usurpations.
 
2013-02-25 09:11:16 PM  

tinyarena: [thepoliticalcarnival.net image 800x588]


Aren't several of those red states now Blue?
 
2013-02-25 09:14:52 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: hubiestubert: nmrsnr: This doesn't count, she's a Governor, all of them are going to be hurting politically by this, so they don't want it to happen.

The only thing I'm enjoying about this sequester nonsense is that after all of the talk of "government doesn't create jobs" and "less government = better economy" the Republicans have had to finally tacitly acknowledge that those talking points are pull of crap, and have instead shifted to "it was all the President's idea, we didn't want anything to do with it" approach, which, if I recall correctly, didn't help me when I was caught sneaking into the movie theaters with my friends.

Pretty much. States are going to have to figure out how to balance programs that they've become reliant upon, or worse, have shifted funding around to so that they are entirely reliant upon them. Programs across the nation are going to be slashed, and there will be very real fallout, as suddenly the coffers dry up, and the folks who've had their hands out, along with folks who have genuine need are going to be hit. Not just the middle men and the folks at the end whose programs are going to be cut, but those workers have banks looking to them for payments. Utility companies. Grocery stores. Distributors. All sorts of folks are going to get hit, and suddenly, they're going to have to learn how to either administrate efficiently, or scream bloody murder. I suspect the latter is going to be preferred choice, and to their bought Congresscritters...

I'll just sit here while the Republican gains in governors becomes a thing of the past.  It'll be great to get Snyder and Walker out of the Midwest, and perhaps watch state government change hands as well.

The Republicans are signing their own death warrant here.


getting rick scott out of Florida seems more likely than getting Walker.
 
2013-02-25 09:15:27 PM  
BREWER: You don't give me very good choices...As a governor from a western state, it is difficult for me to be honest and say ok, I know all the answers, because I don't have all the inside baseball games, and for me to sit here and say I know every detail of what they're dealing with there... We don't like taxes. We don't like increase in taxes. But we know we have to be pragmatic. We know there has to be some kind of compromise, but dang it, they need to get the job done. they don't need to leave the public out their hanging.
 
2013-02-25 09:16:04 PM  
www.screeninsults.com
 
2013-02-25 09:17:46 PM  

Lackofname: tinyarena: [thepoliticalcarnival.net image 800x588]

Aren't several of those red states now Blue?


Nevada on the give side, new Mexico on the take.
 
2013-02-25 09:17:46 PM  

Lackofname: tinyarena: [thepoliticalcarnival.net image 800x588]

Aren't several of those red states now Blue?


From the "Give More" column: Colorado and Florid and Nevada definitely.

From the "Take More": New Mexico, Virginia, Iowa, and Ohio.

Although I've always given the Western states some slack, since the Feds own a good chunk of those states still.

s3.media.squarespace.com
 
2013-02-25 09:23:42 PM  

tinyarena: [red state socialism chart.jpg]

Nice chart! I was about to ask if anyone knew if "teh soshulizmz iz teh ebil!!!" shrieking had any correlation to the reality the people who scream it the loudest actually live in. If things like aid to those who need it is so bad and evil, why do we even have donor states and welfare states? I live in a donor state (California). Why are we giving states like Alaska any of our money anyway? They don't have a state tax, so we pick up their slack? WTF? No. Especially since we just raised taxes on ourselves here in Cali 'cuz we want stuff we can't afford because apparently we're helping to support a bunch of "no state taxes! ever! (now give us our highway funds)" snowbillies. They should just secede already. We got stuff we need to do here, too. Geez.
 
2013-02-25 09:24:15 PM  

meat0918: Lackofname: tinyarena: [thepoliticalcarnival.net image 800x588]

Aren't several of those red states now Blue?

From the "Give More" column: Colorado and Florid and Nevada definitely.

From the "Take More": New Mexico, Virginia, Iowa, and Ohio.

Although I've always given the Western states some slack, since the Feds own a good chunk of those states still.

[s3.media.squarespace.com image 400x329]


"Federal Land" = Land own by all Americans.

That land is your land...that land is my land....
 
2013-02-25 09:25:02 PM  
She is worried about the lack of border security when all the -40% salary agents stop giving a fark.
 
2013-02-25 09:27:04 PM  

hubiestubert: nmrsnr: This doesn't count, she's a Governor, all of them are going to be hurting politically by this, so they don't want it to happen.

The only thing I'm enjoying about this sequester nonsense is that after all of the talk of "government doesn't create jobs" and "less government = better economy" the Republicans have had to finally tacitly acknowledge that those talking points are pull of crap, and have instead shifted to "it was all the President's idea, we didn't want anything to do with it" approach, which, if I recall correctly, didn't help me when I was caught sneaking into the movie theaters with my friends.

Pretty much. States are going to have to figure out how to balance programs that they've become reliant upon, or worse, have shifted funding around to so that they are entirely reliant upon them. Programs across the nation are going to be slashed, and there will be very real fallout, as suddenly the coffers dry up, and the folks who've had their hands out, along with folks who have genuine need are going to be hit. Not just the middle men and the folks at the end whose programs are going to be cut, but those workers have banks looking to them for payments. Utility companies. Grocery stores. Distributors. All sorts of folks are going to get hit, and suddenly, they're going to have to learn how to either administrate efficiently, or scream bloody murder. I suspect the latter is going to be preferred choice, and to their bought Congresscritters...


In short, the Great Recession will truly become the Great Depression 2.0

/which it kind of was to begin with
 
2013-02-25 09:30:43 PM  
Shouldn't Jan Brewer blame Obama instead?

You know that Obama can stop this if he wanted to.
 
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