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2013-02-25 03:27:45 PM  
Exploiting - It looks like, from the vid, this is what they are calling tank/zerg rushing.  Yeah, that sucks.  I remember back during the original C&C days that this was something like *every* game.

Dropping out - I find myself doing this in the CoD games (PC).  Hackers are farking everywhere.  I'm not going to hang around on an unbalanced domination map when their top player has a 40-2 KDR and the kill cam shows him blatantly tracking you through the walls even though you "perked" up to be invisible to radar.
 
2013-02-25 03:32:58 PM  
I want my 3:42 back.

/Who am I kidding, I'd waste them anyway
 
2013-02-25 04:17:46 PM  
7 item list as a 2:30 video instead of two pages where you might glean a funny subtitle on a picture?  Cracked seems to excel at finding increasingly poor formats for their content aren't they.

/did not click
//because I'm at work
///guess what one type of media doesn't work at work?
 
2013-02-25 04:30:10 PM  

BumpInTheNight: 7 item list as a 2:30 video instead of two pages where you might glean a funny subtitle on a picture?  Cracked seems to excel at finding increasingly poor formats for their content aren't they.


It's not like they stopped doing text lists.
 
2013-02-25 04:35:56 PM  

UberDave: Exploiting - It looks like, from the vid, this is what they are calling tank/zerg rushing.  Yeah, that sucks.  I remember back during the original C&C days that this was something like *every* game.

Dropping out - I find myself doing this in the CoD games (PC).  Hackers are farking everywhere.  I'm not going to hang around on an unbalanced domination map when their top player has a 40-2 KDR and the kill cam shows him blatantly tracking you through the walls even though you "perked" up to be invisible to radar.


I do the same, no sense taking a loss because there's a douchebag.  Just drop and start again......get a good group of Steam friends, it helps.
 
2013-02-25 04:36:37 PM  

BumpInTheNight: 7 item list as a 2:30 video instead of two pages where you might glean a funny subtitle on a picture?  Cracked seems to excel at finding increasingly poor formats for their content aren't they.

/did not click
//because I'm at work
///guess what one type of media doesn't work at work?


Billboards?
 
2013-02-25 04:39:39 PM  
What worse than a Cracked list? An autoplaying Cracked video of course.
 
2013-02-25 04:44:48 PM  

cretinbob: What worse than a Cracked list? An autoplaying Cracked video of course.


You were surprised by a video in the video tab?
 
2013-02-25 04:48:11 PM  
to sum up: Don't expect to actually "Win" anything.

/dnrtfa
 
2013-02-25 05:21:16 PM  

cretinbob: What worse than a Cracked list? An autoplaying Cracked video of course.


I was expecting the video to have a link to the 2nd part of the video actually, so there is that
 
2013-02-25 05:44:25 PM  

UberDave: Exploiting - It looks like, from the vid, this is what they are calling tank/zerg rushing.  Yeah, that sucks.  I remember back during the original C&C days that this was something like *every* game.

Dropping out - I find myself doing this in the CoD games (PC).  Hackers are farking everywhere.  I'm not going to hang around on an unbalanced domination map when their top player has a 40-2 KDR and the kill cam shows him blatantly tracking you through the walls even though you "perked" up to be invisible to radar.


Come to the polite and friendly servers (crouch Blackops and WAW and BF3)- they are always admined, and any idiots are dealt with quickly.
 
2013-02-25 05:46:47 PM  
I'm still waiting for a COD or Battlefield game that has a Teabagging mine. Basically when you pick it up it stays with your character and cannot be dropped, it also is invisible so that others can't see that you have it.

It will only explode if someone hits the crouch button while standing over your lifeless corpse.
 
2013-02-25 05:54:40 PM  
Not to denigrate your opinions, but I thought it was a fairly entertaining video.
 
2013-02-25 06:16:38 PM  
Given that there's a new Halo map pack today.... this is, shall we say, timely.
 
2013-02-25 06:22:22 PM  

darklingscribe: I'm still waiting for a COD or Battlefield game that has a Teabagging mine. Basically when you pick it up it stays with your character and cannot be dropped, it also is invisible so that others can't see that you have it.

It will only explode if someone hits the crouch button while standing over your lifeless corpse.


Any competitive multiplayer shooter needs to have that implemented.
 
2013-02-25 06:26:53 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: Given that there's a new Halo map pack today.... this is, shall we say, timely.


holy shiat I didn't know halo was still around
 
2013-02-25 06:45:56 PM  

Wise_Guy: cretinbob: What worse than a Cracked list? An autoplaying Cracked video of course.

You were surprised by a video in the video tab?


What are the "tabs" you speak of? I just look at greenlit links
 
2013-02-25 07:03:40 PM  

highendmighty: Not to denigrate your opinions, but I thought it was a fairly entertaining video.


I was also entertained.
 
2013-02-25 08:05:00 PM  

SilentStrider: highendmighty: Not to denigrate your opinions, but I thought it was a fairly entertaining video.

I was also entertained.


Same here.  And the last one (exploiting) isn't just online gaming.  A lot of the "complaints" people have about good single-player games are how they found the one uber-mega-broken class/power/combo that obliterates all fun from the title if you use it exclusively and rigorously, then use it exclusively and rigorously.  So that they can complain about how broken the game is.  Yes, the game is broken because you can't exercise even an iota of self-control.  Makes sense.
 
2013-02-25 08:45:12 PM  
Youtube link for that dont want to mess with a butt-ton of scripts.

/also want those 3 minutes back.
 
2013-02-25 08:53:20 PM  
Teabagging is old news now that you have post-kill dismemberment in Chivalry Medieval Warfare.
 
2013-02-25 09:36:53 PM  

mooseyfate: SilentStrider: highendmighty: Not to denigrate your opinions, but I thought it was a fairly entertaining video.

I was also entertained.

Same here.  And the last one (exploiting) isn't just online gaming.  A lot of the "complaints" people have about good single-player games are how they found the one uber-mega-broken class/power/combo that obliterates all fun from the title if you use it exclusively and rigorously, then use it exclusively and rigorously.  So that they can complain about how broken the game is.  Yes, the game is broken because you can't exercise even an iota of self-control.  Makes sense.


Finding a good class/skill is not exploiting. It is bad game design. Asking people to deliberately pick a bad skillset to create artificial challenge is no different than telling someone good at mario that they aren't really supposed to pick up mushrooms or an fps player they should only use the gauntlet in one-player mode.
 
2013-02-25 09:38:11 PM  
Megaman is broken if you equip the right weapon for each boss.
 
2013-02-25 09:49:09 PM  
That was just a lot of hatin'.

/TEABAAAAAAAAAAG
 
2013-02-25 10:01:25 PM  
The article in non-video format is here.

Oddly enough, all 7 are listed on one page.
 
2013-02-25 10:31:10 PM  

UberDave: Exploiting - It looks like, from the vid, this is what they are calling tank/zerg rushing.  Yeah, that sucks.  I remember back during the original C&C days that this was something like *every* game.

Dropping out - I find myself doing this in the CoD games (PC).  Hackers are farking everywhere.  I'm not going to hang around on an unbalanced domination map when their top player has a 40-2 KDR and the kill cam shows him blatantly tracking you through the walls even though you "perked" up to be invisible to radar.




Spawn camping!

You sound like a spawn camper.

fark you spawn camper.
 
2013-02-25 11:04:33 PM  
TEEAAAABAAAG!  LOL  Loved doing that YEARS ago when I was gaming back in DF: Land Warrior.  Could sneak up behind someone to stab them and hit a key combo to yell out, in the game, "Watch your 6, Knucklehead!!!!!" stab them and go wild wiggling all over them. First, you would get the obligatory, "You scared the hell out of me!" then, "STOP THAT!!! Hey!!! He's farking my body!!!!" or "Putting his junk in my face" while waiting for respawn.

Miss the games, the friends, the fun.... the Sunday afternoons... but, finally gave them up due to all the damned cheats.. get a game and in as little as a week, there comes some idiot jumping 300 feet in the air and firing off 50 missiles/LAWs/nades from the sky.

/CSB time - one of best "matches" was against a group that thought they were "it". The best. And HAD to be all realistic, because they were just that good! All team markers off (so no idea who was friend or foe) and teamkill was on (so if you messed up, it cost you AND your team).  We had always run one form or another of the VoIP communications so we accepted the challenge... plus, we were all older players, most started playing back in `98 with Delta Force and had stuck together in different clubs.
Most of us spread out while me and another guy circled WAY around the map. Halfway, he broke off and cut back in to attack from the side (and distract) while I continued until I came up in behind. Got right behind their spawn, called out exactly who I was to MY team as I approached so I would not get shot, then cleaned house by shooting every one of them from behind... then running directly into spawn as if I spawned with them.. then "ran for cover" with them again... fall back and repeat.  After about the 6th or 7th time, they finally caught on and every single one of them were shooting at and `nading each other and finally killed me.  Then I got two more kills as they sent someone back to make sure I didn't do it again, and found both of the claymores I left behind (because I knew they'd do it once I was found out lol)  The "experts" lost by about a 20 to 1 margin LMAO
/end of story time.. go to sleep now.
 
2013-02-26 12:14:53 AM  
thechive.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-26 05:29:47 AM  
Griefers aren't necessarily sad inside.  They just don't give a shiat about your feelings and find your impotent cries of anger and despair to be hilarious.
 
2013-02-26 06:43:03 AM  
they need to find a way to split the video out over two pages...
 
2013-02-26 07:36:24 AM  

bifford: Griefers aren't necessarily sad inside.  They just don't give a shiat about your feelings and find your impotent cries of anger and despair to be hilarious.


So what's it feel like to be sad inside?
 
2013-02-26 09:08:11 AM  

randomjsa: So what's it feel like to be sad inside?


Pretty obviously in denial about it.

When the police find him torturing neighborhood pets just to hear their 'impotent cries of anger and despair' and force him into therapy, he may begin to understand the depths of his sadness.
 
2013-02-26 09:57:33 AM  

Smackledorfer: mooseyfate: SilentStrider: highendmighty: Not to denigrate your opinions, but I thought it was a fairly entertaining video.

I was also entertained.

Same here.  And the last one (exploiting) isn't just online gaming.  A lot of the "complaints" people have about good single-player games are how they found the one uber-mega-broken class/power/combo that obliterates all fun from the title if you use it exclusively and rigorously, then use it exclusively and rigorously.  So that they can complain about how broken the game is.  Yes, the game is broken because you can't exercise even an iota of self-control.  Makes sense.

Finding a good class/skill is not exploiting. It is bad game design. Asking people to deliberately pick a bad skillset to create artificial challenge is no different than telling someone good at mario that they aren't really supposed to pick up mushrooms or an fps player they should only use the gauntlet in one-player mode.


Wrong. Your analogies have nothing to do with what I posted about. But you appear to be the type of person to do exactly what I posted, so I can't really be surprised that you would miss the point. To prove my point, here is an example: In Skyrim, many people complain how the leveling system is broken because you can just spam a set of complimenting skills and end up with an uber-class capable of one-shotting legendary dragons. But in order to do so, you would have to purposefully and willingly set aside all fun and challenge in the game and do just that. And so people do it and then complain about it. That doesn't mean the game is broken, it means you are. It means that the GAME was made to accommodate a myriad of play styles instead of a rigid "big fighter, lady Mage, elf thief" mechanic. So what do people do with that freedom of choice? Exactly what people do with freedom of choice in real life: exploit it then complain.

/it really doesn't matter to me, I still get hundreds of hours of enjoyment out of a game you broke like a spoiled child and then threw away
//at least one of us is getting our money's worth
 
2013-02-26 11:12:05 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Pretty obviously in denial about it.

When the police find him torturing neighborhood pets just to hear their 'impotent cries of anger and despair' and force him into therapy, he may begin to understand the depths of his sadness.


I miss the good old days when you could time grief players by when school let out. Round about 3:30 EST they'd start showing up in numbers. Unfortunately they only grew up physically... and not mentally... So now they're a round the clock nuisance.
 
2013-02-26 11:24:19 AM  

mooseyfate: Smackledorfer: mooseyfate: SilentStrider: highendmighty: Not to denigrate your opinions, but I thought it was a fairly entertaining video.

I was also entertained.

Same here.  And the last one (exploiting) isn't just online gaming.  A lot of the "complaints" people have about good single-player games are how they found the one uber-mega-broken class/power/combo that obliterates all fun from the title if you use it exclusively and rigorously, then use it exclusively and rigorously.  So that they can complain about how broken the game is.  Yes, the game is broken because you can't exercise even an iota of self-control.  Makes sense.

Finding a good class/skill is not exploiting. It is bad game design. Asking people to deliberately pick a bad skillset to create artificial challenge is no different than telling someone good at mario that they aren't really supposed to pick up mushrooms or an fps player they should only use the gauntlet in one-player mode.

Wrong. Your analogies have nothing to do with what I posted about. But you appear to be the type of person to do exactly what I posted, so I can't really be surprised that you would miss the point. To prove my point, here is an example: In Skyrim, many people complain how the leveling system is broken because you can just spam a set of complimenting skills and end up with an uber-class capable of one-shotting legendary dragons. But in order to do so, you would have to purposefully and willingly set aside all fun and challenge in the game and do just that. And so people do it and then complain about it. That doesn't mean the game is broken, it means you are. It means that the GAME was made to accommodate a myriad of play styles instead of a rigid "big fighter, lady Mage, elf thief" mechanic. So what do people do with that freedom of choice? Exactly what people do with freedom of choice in real life: exploit it then complain.

/it really doesn't matter to me, I still get hundreds of hours of enjoyment out of ...


No, my analogies have exactly to do with what you posted about, and people shouldn't have to focus on unarmed combat or throw skill points away on garbage to find challenge in a game.

If you ONLY meant games like skyrim and are focusing on a "you should role-playing X" instead of "you should be actively working against your foes in the game" then by all means spend 100s of hours running around morrowind having conversations with npcs and pretending each fetch quest is a unique experience.  Now you are right, I do have issues with skyrim: pick skills to powerful and it IS a cakewalk.  Pick skills too weak and even the lamest kill some stupid shaman quest becomes a reloading nightmare. I suppose I could have turned the difficulty down, but then that kind of makes any challenge arbitrary too: changing the difficulty as you go instead of rising to the challenge before you? No thanks - that would be worse "cheating" imo than picking skillsets that work instead of ones that don't.

It is a great game. It is a fun game. It is not a game with a well-designed skill tree balance. I hope when they make their mmorpg they apply balance to their classes and don't simply say "meh, the crappy skills are crappy because you should enjoy roleplaying a piece of crap". /fingers crossed

I can choose not to equip weapons and use skills I have access to in skyrim the same way I could choose not to shoot dr. wily's alien-robot form with a bubble or deliberately not use metal blades on 90% of the stage's enemies.  If you want to add challenge for yourself, feel free and nobody is stopping you.  I have played various self-imposed challenge modes in many games.

A game, however, should be judged on the game itself, and not self-imposed meta games.
 
2013-02-26 12:50:40 PM  

Smackledorfer: mooseyfate: Smackledorfer: mooseyfate: SilentStrider: highendmighty: Not to denigrate your opinions, but I thought it was a fairly entertaining video.

I was also entertained.

Same here.  And the last one (exploiting) isn't just online gaming.  A lot of the "complaints" people have about good single-player games are how they found the one uber-mega-broken class/power/combo that obliterates all fun from the title if you use it exclusively and rigorously, then use it exclusively and rigorously.  So that they can complain about how broken the game is.  Yes, the game is broken because you can't exercise even an iota of self-control.  Makes sense.

Finding a good class/skill is not exploiting. It is bad game design. Asking people to deliberately pick a bad skillset to create artificial challenge is no different than telling someone good at mario that they aren't really supposed to pick up mushrooms or an fps player they should only use the gauntlet in one-player mode.

Wrong. Your analogies have nothing to do with what I posted about. But you appear to be the type of person to do exactly what I posted, so I can't really be surprised that you would miss the point. To prove my point, here is an example: In Skyrim, many people complain how the leveling system is broken because you can just spam a set of complimenting skills and end up with an uber-class capable of one-shotting legendary dragons. But in order to do so, you would have to purposefully and willingly set aside all fun and challenge in the game and do just that. And so people do it and then complain about it. That doesn't mean the game is broken, it means you are. It means that the GAME was made to accommodate a myriad of play styles instead of a rigid "big fighter, lady Mage, elf thief" mechanic. So what do people do with that freedom of choice? Exactly what people do with freedom of choice in real life: exploit it then complain.

/it really doesn't matter to me, I still get hundreds of hours of enjoyment out of ...

No, my analogies have exactly to do with what you posted about, and people shouldn't have to focus on unarmed combat or throw skill points away on garbage to find challenge in a game.

If you ONLY meant games like skyrim and are focusing on a "you should role-playing X" instead of "you should be actively working against your foes in the game" then by all means spend 100s of hours running around morrowind having conversations with npcs and pretending each fetch quest is a unique experience.  Now you are right, I do have issues with skyrim: pick skills to powerful and it IS a cakewalk.  Pick skills too weak and even the lamest kill some stupid shaman quest becomes a reloading nightmare. I suppose I could have turned the difficulty down, but then that kind of makes any challenge arbitrary too: changing the difficulty as you go instead of rising to the challenge before you? No thanks - that would be worse "cheating" imo than picking skillsets that work instead of ones that don't.

It is a great game. It is a fun game. It is not a game with a well-designed skill tree balance. I hope when they make their mmorpg they apply balance to their classes and don't simply say "meh, the crappy skills are crappy because you should enjoy roleplaying a piece of crap". /fingers crossed

I can choose not to equip weapons and use skills I have access to in skyrim the same way I could choose not to shoot dr. wily's alien-robot form with a bubble or deliberately not use metal blades on 90% of the stage's enemies.  If you want to add challenge for yourself, feel free and nobody is stopping you.  I have played various self-imposed challenge modes in many games.

A game, however, should be judged on the game itself, and not self-imposed meta games.


So are you saying that someone that comes into a Skyrim thread and posts "Skyrim sucks because all you have to do is spend 10 hours spamming these two skills and then you can murder everyone in the game" is a legit argument? Or are you saying that's bullshiat? Because I think that's bullshiat. I could do any number of things that make the game unfairly balanced in my favor, but why would I? It's not fun to spam the same two skills for hours at a time. It IS fun to go adventuring and have the skills I actually use rise as I use them. Do you see what I'm trying to say here? What you're talking about is denying yourself powers and abilities essential to the game that were put there in the game for the sole purpose of defeating a certain enemy. What I'm talking about is just playing the game organically and enjoying yourself vs. purposefully exploiting the skill system just to break the game so you can complain about how broken the game is. That's not an accurate assessment of the game. It's not just Skyrim, that one's just easiest to use an example.
 
2013-02-26 05:55:02 PM  

mooseyfate: So are you saying that someone that comes into a Skyrim thread and posts "Skyrim sucks because all you have to do is spend 10 hours spamming these two skills and then you can murder everyone in the game" is a legit argument? Or are you saying that's bullshiat? Because I think that's bullshiat. I could do any number of things that make the game unfairly balanced in my favor, but why would I? It's not fun to spam the same two skills for hours at a time. It IS fun to go adventuring and have the skills I actually use rise as I use them. Do you see what I'm trying to say here? What you're talking about is denying yourself powers and abilities essential to the game that were put there in the game for the sole purpose of defeating a certain enemy. What I'm talking about is just playing the game organically and enjoying yourself vs. purposefully exploiting the skill system just to break the game so you can complain about how broken the game is. That's not an accurate assessment of the game. It's not just Skyrim, that one's just easiest to use an example.


I am saying there are builds in skyrim that are garbage, and builds that are ridiculously overpowered.

Take impact.  Without it offensive magic is pretty shiatty.  With it you are a stun-based god.  That has nothing to do with spamming 10 hours to murder everyone in the game.

Meanwhile, while I agree it is fun to build skills as you use them and progress, if you fart around with a trade like thievery or other utility skill, you put yourself too far behind in combat strength for your level to go out on even some of the simplest of quests without getting 1-shot.

The game is good, but has terrible balance between the power of skills.  It is absolutely valid to critique the game on that basis.

You seem to be deliberately taking each of my posts, twisting it into something I didn't say, then beating the tar out of that strawman.
 
2013-02-26 06:14:01 PM  

Smackledorfer: mooseyfate: So are you saying that someone that comes into a Skyrim thread and posts "Skyrim sucks because all you have to do is spend 10 hours spamming these two skills and then you can murder everyone in the game" is a legit argument? Or are you saying that's bullshiat? Because I think that's bullshiat. I could do any number of things that make the game unfairly balanced in my favor, but why would I? It's not fun to spam the same two skills for hours at a time. It IS fun to go adventuring and have the skills I actually use rise as I use them. Do you see what I'm trying to say here? What you're talking about is denying yourself powers and abilities essential to the game that were put there in the game for the sole purpose of defeating a certain enemy. What I'm talking about is just playing the game organically and enjoying yourself vs. purposefully exploiting the skill system just to break the game so you can complain about how broken the game is. That's not an accurate assessment of the game. It's not just Skyrim, that one's just easiest to use an example.

I am saying there are builds in skyrim that are garbage, and builds that are ridiculously overpowered.

Take impact.  Without it offensive magic is pretty shiatty.  With it you are a stun-based god.  That has nothing to do with spamming 10 hours to murder everyone in the game.

Meanwhile, while I agree it is fun to build skills as you use them and progress, if you fart around with a trade like thievery or other utility skill, you put yourself too far behind in combat strength for your level to go out on even some of the simplest of quests without getting 1-shot.

The game is good, but has terrible balance between the power of skills.  It is absolutely valid to critique the game on that basis.

You seem to be deliberately taking each of my posts, twisting it into something I didn't say, then beating the tar out of that strawman.


I'm not putting words in your posts, I'm using real arguments I've seen here on Fark. Your criticisms are legit (certain skill perks throwing off the balance of the game, etc.), and I have no problem with them because you've obviously actually played the game and noticed these things. Saying "I spammed these two skills just so I could have super-kill-arrows, then used nothing but super-kill-arrows and everything died when I shot them with it, so this game is broken and sucks" isn't a legit criticism. It's an admission that the person making the statement hates fun and will do what he needs to ensure he never experiences it. Why a person would play a video game and be determined NOT to have fun is beyond me. I'd just rather enjoy the game and move on when it no longer interests me or I beat it enough times that there's no more fun to be had. There is no such thing as a perfect game, but there are such things as shiatty games, and Skyrim certainly isn't one of them.
 
2013-02-26 06:32:56 PM  

mooseyfate: I'm not putting words in your posts, I'm using real arguments I've seen here on Fark. Your criticisms are legit (certain skill perks throwing off the balance of the game, etc.), and I have no problem with them because you've obviously actually played the game and noticed these things. Saying "I spammed these two skills just so I could have super-kill-arrows, then used nothing but super-kill-arrows and everything died when I shot them with it, so this game is broken and sucks" isn't a legit criticism. It's an admission that the person making the statement hates fun and will do what he needs to ensure he never experiences it. Why a person would play a video game and be determined NOT to have fun is beyond me. I'd just rather enjoy the game and move on when it no longer interests me or I beat it enough times that there's no more fun to be had. There is no such thing as a perfect game, but there are such things as shiatty games, and Skyrim certainly isn't one of them.


Well, maybe I just read this paragraph wrongly then at the start of our conversation.

mooseyfate:A lot of the "complaints" people have about good single-player games are how they found the one uber-mega-broken class/power/combo that obliterates all fun from the title if you use it exclusively and rigorously, then use it exclusively and rigorously.
 
2013-02-26 07:14:45 PM  

Smackledorfer: mooseyfate: I'm not putting words in your posts, I'm using real arguments I've seen here on Fark. Your criticisms are legit (certain skill perks throwing off the balance of the game, etc.), and I have no problem with them because you've obviously actually played the game and noticed these things. Saying "I spammed these two skills just so I could have super-kill-arrows, then used nothing but super-kill-arrows and everything died when I shot them with it, so this game is broken and sucks" isn't a legit criticism. It's an admission that the person making the statement hates fun and will do what he needs to ensure he never experiences it. Why a person would play a video game and be determined NOT to have fun is beyond me. I'd just rather enjoy the game and move on when it no longer interests me or I beat it enough times that there's no more fun to be had. There is no such thing as a perfect game, but there are such things as shiatty games, and Skyrim certainly isn't one of them.

Well, maybe I just read this paragraph wrongly then at the start of our conversation.

mooseyfate:A lot of the "complaints" people have about good single-player games are how they found the one uber-mega-broken class/power/combo that obliterates all fun from the title if you use it exclusively and rigorously, then use it exclusively and rigorously.


I'm not quite sure how you could read that wrong, but it's possible. I'm not pulling those "arguments" from my ass, they pepper pretty much every Skyrim thread. Again, it's not just Skyrim that people do this to, it's just the most recent and easiest to remember specific "complaints". Any game that is both good and critically acclaimed, you'll find at least one jackass crying at the top of his lungs that the game is shiat because he found (or more likely, the Internet told him where to find) the few exploitable parts of the game and put them under a microscope. Happens all the time and it just boggles my mind. I can "beat" a rubix cube by peeling all the stickers off and putting all like colors on the same side. Doesn't mean the rubix cube is bullshiat and utterly unworthy of one's time. It would just mean that I'm a jackass.
 
2013-02-26 07:45:39 PM  

mooseyfate: I'm not quite sure how you could read that wrong, but it's possible


I read it wrong because the two posts I quoted there are not the same, unless you expect me to read your mind.

I was responding to your post and what it contained, not random posts peppering other threads.

We've gone from people finding a broken combination within a game's normal mechanics as designed being the complaint to the equivalent of hacking (your rubix cube comparison).

FWIW I DO find rubix cubes to be bullshiat and unworthy of my time :D
 
2013-02-26 07:49:49 PM  

Smackledorfer: mooseyfate: I'm not quite sure how you could read that wrong, but it's possible

I read it wrong because the two posts I quoted there are not the same, unless you expect me to read your mind.

I was responding to your post and what it contained, not random posts peppering other threads.

We've gone from people finding a broken combination within a game's normal mechanics as designed being the complaint to the equivalent of hacking (your rubix cube comparison).

FWIW I DO find rubix cubes to be bullshiat and unworthy of my time :D


So do I, but that's neither here nor there.  I stand firmly behind my statement:  People that play games just to break them so they have something to complain about are assholes.  I won't be backing down from it or changing my mind.  Just as they can't help exploiting a video game, I can't help hating them.  A compulsion is a compulsion.
 
2013-02-27 12:30:47 AM  

mooseyfate: People that play games just to break them so they have something to complain about are assholes.


1. I wouldn't call someone an asshole for anything they do in a 1-player game.  That is pretty stupid.

2. Would you call someone who primarily uses metal blade in mega man 2 an asshole? It definitely breaks the game on most stages.

I can't resist beating dracula's face in in simon's quest with golden daggers.  Am I an asshole for that?

I use catscratch with gau in FF6.  Am I an asshole for that?

I don't waste my time in FF12 casting spells for 90% of the game because they cost mana and do no more damage than standard attacks.  Asshole?

I don't pick first aid, fire magic, artillery, eagle eye, etc, in Heroes of Might and Magic 3.  Asshole? I do focus on mass slows, mass hastes, and cheese resurrect if I get the chance. Asshole?

Is it an exploit to play the Big Cave in Lufia II early to get a pimped weapon and wield that outside the Big Cave?

Is it cheating to cast Soul Steal in Symphony of the Night?

What about flying around in Might and magic 6 through 8 and dropping starfalls?

Taking shortcuts in Mario Kart?

Getting and keeping Blue Yoshi in Super Mario World?

I dunno, you use pretty extreme hyperbole in your posts "people that play games just to break them" and I can honestly say I do NOT play games JUST to break them.  But I don't pass up an advantage over the computer if I get it, and I don't give the computer any quarter. I'm not asking you to change your mind.  I'm pointing out that the quoted statement here is 100% different from 'people finding a class/power/combo that is overpowered' in a game, which is what I originally took issue with.  If your statements are limited to the most extreme of exploitative cases, as you seem to be narrowing yourself down to, then I guess I agree with you.
 
2013-02-27 08:07:39 AM  

Smackledorfer: mooseyfate: People that play games just to break them so they have something to complain about are assholes.

1. I wouldn't call someone an asshole for anything they do in a 1-player game.  That is pretty stupid.

2. Would you call someone who primarily uses metal blade in mega man 2 an asshole? It definitely breaks the game on most stages.

I can't resist beating dracula's face in in simon's quest with golden daggers.  Am I an asshole for that?

I use catscratch with gau in FF6.  Am I an asshole for that?

I don't waste my time in FF12 casting spells for 90% of the game because they cost mana and do no more damage than standard attacks.  Asshole?

I don't pick first aid, fire magic, artillery, eagle eye, etc, in Heroes of Might and Magic 3.  Asshole? I do focus on mass slows, mass hastes, and cheese resurrect if I get the chance. Asshole?

Is it an exploit to play the Big Cave in Lufia II early to get a pimped weapon and wield that outside the Big Cave?

Is it cheating to cast Soul Steal in Symphony of the Night?

What about flying around in Might and magic 6 through 8 and dropping starfalls?

Taking shortcuts in Mario Kart?

Getting and keeping Blue Yoshi in Super Mario World?

I dunno, you use pretty extreme hyperbole in your posts "people that play games just to break them" and I can honestly say I do NOT play games JUST to break them.  But I don't pass up an advantage over the computer if I get it, and I don't give the computer any quarter. I'm not asking you to change your mind.  I'm pointing out that the quoted statement here is 100% different from 'people finding a class/power/combo that is overpowered' in a game, which is what I originally took issue with.  If your statements are limited to the most extreme of exploitative cases, as you seem to be narrowing yourself down to, then I guess I agree with you.


Do you do any of those things just to biatch about a game that, by all accounts, is fantastic?

If yes, you're an asshole.

If no, good for you.
 
2013-02-28 01:46:01 PM  
Sounds like some of you are just scrubs.  Highly recommend reading the whole article but here is a snippet:
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A common call of the scrub is to cry that the kind of play in which one tries to win at all costs is "boring" or "not fun." Who knows what objective the scrub has, but we know his objective is not truly to win. Yours is. Your objective is good and right and true, and let no one tell you otherwise. You have the power to dispatch those who would tell you otherwise, anyway. Simply beat them.
 
2013-02-28 06:03:58 PM  

staypuft242: Sounds like some of you are just scrubs.  Highly recommend reading the whole article but here is a snippet:
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A common call of the scrub is to cry that the kind of play in which one tries to win at all costs is "boring" or "not fun." Who knows what objective the scrub has, but we know his objective is not truly to win. Yours is. Your objective is good and right and true, and let no one tell you otherwise. You have the power to dispatch those who would tell you otherwise, anyway. Simply beat them.


Look up the definition of the word facetious, sarcasm, parody, and/or satire and get back to us.

/either that or you rock at being facetious
//in which case: well played.
 
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