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(New York Daily News)   Bronx newborn hasn't slept through the night since she was born 18 months ago. Also meet her mom and dad, probably the world's strongest parents   (nydailynews.com) divider line 29
    More: Sappy, Weill Cornell Medical College, Bronx, Dr. Haviva Veler, sleep apnea, hyperactivity, night terrors, Haley Rivera  
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2013-02-25 05:27:11 PM
4 votes:
Our first son did that. For the first year of his life he didn't sleep more than 45 minutes at a time. The sleep deprivation was incredibly debilitating and painful. He didn't sleep through the night for the first time until he was 6 and we were dosing him with 9mg of melatonin per a neurologist. He still has sleep issues at age 10. He would stay up until 3 am reading if we let him, and sometimes we do just because we need to go to sleep without the argument, but he *needs* to sleep sometimes so just about every night is a battle.

Our younger son, age 6, will generally just drop off like a stone then roll out of bed in the morning without an issue.

It's hard not to sneer at parents who think their kids sleep great because they did something magical and amazing in the discipline department.  Sometimes this shiat is just something that people have to suffer through for years in order to get their kids safely to adulthood as capable, self sufficient human beings.
2013-02-25 05:05:18 PM
4 votes:
18-month old newborn?
2013-02-25 05:52:56 PM
2 votes:
Off topic from the article (but in line with the current conversation), the whole concept of "sleeping through the night" is utter bullshiat. You just don't know what flavor you are going to get when the kid is born. And even if they start to have a pattern of sleeping for more than 2 hours at a stretch, something can happen and that pattern is completely dashed overnight. Teething, the first cold, or, well, just because the kid doesn't feel like sleeping.

You pick your method, hope for the best, and change it up if it isn't working. Any parent who believes what they did made everything work is full of crap, they just got lucky that their kid was born a certain way.

Not trying to sound bitter, just tired of seeing parents who are smug about what they think they accomplished, or that "their way" is the superior way and everyone should do it.
2013-02-25 05:15:52 PM
2 votes:
Veler suggested to Stella that she place many pacifiers around her daughter's crib, so that when Haley wakes up, she can more easily find the pacifier herself and learn to put herself back to sleep.

How the hell did they not figure that shiat out on their own??
2013-02-25 05:11:26 PM
2 votes:
Haley Rivera hasn't slept through the night since she was born 18 months ago.
Neither has her mom or dad.


Well that is bad parenting.  Coffee for one; tiny ear plugs for the other and switch every couple nights.
2013-02-25 05:05:51 PM
2 votes:
Not that this is the case here, but sometimes you have to let them cry it out.
2013-02-25 05:04:47 PM
2 votes:

Lollipop165: The morning of my first day home (also as a Bronx newborn) my parents woke up at 8am in the morning and ran to my crib thinking I was dead. I was just sleeping. I never had a problem sleeping as a baby.

Still don't.


You still do not experience problems sleeping as a baby?
2013-02-25 04:35:36 PM
2 votes:
The next night you can't get to sleep, think about this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_familial_insomnia
2013-02-25 09:01:56 PM
1 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: My eldest (now 4) didn't sleep for the first few months unless she was held upright, in our arms. Every time we'd start to nod off or try to slip into a semi-reclining pose, she'd wake up screaming.   I'm convinced that sleep deprivation escalated my PPD.

The first time she slept through the night?  Christmas Eve.  Best present I've ever had.


Beat Christmas present I ever got was an electric blanket.
2013-02-25 06:47:56 PM
1 votes:

LeroyBourne: I've never understood that, ok, we're gonna tape a bunch of shiat and tubes to your face, ok, niiiighty. I understand it serves a purpose, you'd just think they would somehow simplify it.


They're probably working on that, but it is fairly ridiculous. An in-home exam at least would be better.
2013-02-25 06:30:07 PM
1 votes:

StaleCoffee: Yeah. That never ends well. It's kinda like the White Castle scenario. Every few months we try it because we don't remember how badly it ended, or figure THIS time it will work out. Then there's a few days of haunted faces, occasional hitching sobs and throbbing temple veins, and usually a new appliance or furniture purchase.

The problem is he gets bored and lonely and has some seriously bad ADD, which in our case translates to: consequences mean nothing. He can lose video games and TV for two weeks, then the day he gets them back lose it again for the same damn thing. Other behavioral training type approaches work much better but at 3 AM after being woken up every 20 minutes and not getting laid for a week because your 10 year old keeps farking knocking on the bedroom door, gentle and brilliant parenting is *really farking hard* to maintain and a GO THE fark BACK TO BED OR I WILL PILE YOUR WII GAMES ON THE GRILL AND COOK THEM FOR BREAKFAST RIGHT NOW can slip out.

Sticking to a rigid, consistent schedule is as much for our sanity as it his for his development.



I wonder if you're focused on the wrong part of the issue.  I imagine it's impossible to get a kid who is not sleepy to fall asleep, so I get why the punishments and whatnot fail.  Have you tried non drug methods of making him sleepy?  For instance, have you tried waking him up at 6AM and making sure he gets outside to play and whatnot?  And doing that for a few days in a row?  Not that I have anything against using drugs.  Just a thought.
2013-02-25 06:17:56 PM
1 votes:

Arthur Jumbles: Instead of having the kid sleep away from the parents in a crib have them sleep in the parent's bed.


That's how kids get smothered. They had a case here a few years back where daddy was a little tipsy, rolled over on the kid, and didn't wake up. Kid died and dad got some kind of jail sentence.
2013-02-25 05:53:06 PM
1 votes:

Arthur Jumbles: Instead of having the kid sleep away from the parents in a crib have them sleep in the parent's bed.


I WISH I COULD REACH THROUGH MY MONITOR AND CHOKE YOU!!!!
2013-02-25 05:50:38 PM
1 votes:
Instead of having the kid sleep away from the parents in a crib have them sleep in the parent's bed.
2013-02-25 05:49:34 PM
1 votes:
I slept through the night from day one. My poor mom woke up the first morning home panicked that I was dead of SIDS.

Undfortunately, I was not so blessed with my own kids.
2013-02-25 05:49:12 PM
1 votes:
brewthunda:
<i> If there's one thing we've learned as parents its that some kids are different.  Oh, and parents who have lucked out with kids that have no sleep or behavior problems are smug a22holes.  It's always a kick when someone who has been telling you for years how their kid is perfect because of superior parenting skills goes and has a second or third kid who happens to have similar issues to ours. Their world is turned upside down and they quickly realized that they were just lucky the first time. </i>

this. don't be smug assholes.


/why you no worky italics
2013-02-25 05:42:27 PM
1 votes:

MrPleasant: Huh....first kid would always wake up at least once during the night until he was about 2 years....maybe slept through the night once or twice.  Our 8 month old has maybe slept through twice so far.  Didn't know this was unusual...


This kid isn't "not sleeping through the night."  This kid is "not sleeping more than three hours at a time" and "getting six hours of sleep a day total."

/A misleading headline?  On Fark?  Crazy!
2013-02-25 05:38:52 PM
1 votes:
I did not sleep through the night for the first two years of my life. When I finally did, my mom woke up in the middle of the night anyway because she thought that I was dead.

So yeah...I try to get my mom a very nice Mother's Day present every year.
2013-02-25 05:37:47 PM
1 votes:

cgraves67: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Pity them.

Blame them, for it's a behavioral problem and behavior can, and should be modified by discrete parenting. The doctor even proscribed a behavior modification for treatment.

All too often behavior problems are either caused by the parents or not fixed because of a lack of resolve on the part of the parents.


All too often behavioral problems are automatically attributed with little evidence to problems with physiological causes because assuming is easier than finding the root problem. I'm not a sleep Dr, but I have my own sleep issues and am pretty well read when it comes to the medical literature and sleep.

Children with sleep breathing disorders often don't show overt results for sleep apnea. In fact, sleep apnea is a pointless distinction from sleep breathing disorders in general when it comes to the effects on sleep that can occur. Sleep apnea gets all the attention from drs because the stress it puts on the cardiovascular system can lead to death. More subtle forms of sleep breathing disorders, like upper airway resistance syndrome, can only be accurately  detected using esophageal pressure monitoring which is almost never used in a clinical setting. Measuring pulse transit times on a normal sleep study can also detect these issues, but you have to know exactly what your looking for.  It would be a god damn shame if this child and her parents have to go through needless suffering because the doctors were lazy and defaulted to victim blaming.

/I sound bitter
2013-02-25 05:26:54 PM
1 votes:
Put clothes in dryer.  Put baby in basket.  Put warm clothes on baby in basket.  Run next load in dryer with baby laying in basket on top of dryer while you sit in chairs watching baby on dryer in basket.  Baby sleep.  Use condom or nut cutting to prevent further complications.
2013-02-25 05:25:23 PM
1 votes:
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2013-02-25 05:23:58 PM
1 votes:

jennyz: Veler suggested to Stella that she place many pacifiers around her daughter's crib, so that when Haley wakes up, she can more easily find the pacifier herself and learn to put herself back to sleep.

How the hell did they not figure that shiat out on their own??


Yeah this works great and we figured this out by the third or fourth time the pacifier fell out of the crib in the middle of the night. Now we don't put him to bed without having at least five pacifiers scattered inside the crib.
2013-02-25 05:16:23 PM
1 votes:

Lee451: The next night you can't get to sleep, think about this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_familial_insomnia


The patient suffers increasing insomnia, resulting in panic attacks, paranoia, and phobias. This stage lasts for about four months.
Hallucinations and panic attacks become noticeable, continuing for about five months.
Complete inability to sleep is followed by rapid loss of weight. This lasts for about three months.
Dementia, during which the patient becomes unresponsive or mute over the course of six months. This is the final progression of the disease, after which death follows.

Known Causes: reading this Wikipedia page.

WTF are you doing to us!?
2013-02-25 05:13:39 PM
1 votes:

queezyweezel: brap: Well maybe if that baby hadn't done so much got damned COCAINE she wouldn't have a deviated septum.  Had a similar issue with brap jr. until we started bottle feeding him Nyquil.

Nyquil?  What the hell is wrong with you?  Benadryl is for babies.  B.  Baby.


Benadryl is sometimes VERY necessary for kids.
2013-02-25 05:11:02 PM
1 votes:
If I were offered a cute woman's nipple to suck every time I woke up crying, I'd be waking up every 3 hours too.
2013-02-25 05:07:41 PM
1 votes:
Huh....first kid would always wake up at least once during the night until he was about 2 years....maybe slept through the night once or twice.  Our 8 month old has maybe slept through twice so far.  Didn't know this was unusual...
2013-02-25 04:36:21 PM
1 votes:
Pity them.
2013-02-25 03:51:01 PM
1 votes:
I have not slept for 18 months either because that would be too long.
2013-02-25 03:36:00 PM
1 votes:
If you don't read the article, you think how does this make her different than many kids?  Then you read she had sleep apnea, which I guess is unusual for a newborn.
 
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