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2013-02-25 04:54:52 PM  
3 votes:

Trashy: So was the Horse meat spoiled or something? I'm not seeing the issue.


The real issue is that nobody knows where the horse meat is coming from. It is unlikely to be from horses farmed for human consumption as they are expensive. If its from horses bred and trained for racing that were  either 'retired' or didn't make the big leagues then they would have almost certainly been given drugs that are not permitted in meat for human consumption. Other sources could be recreational riding horses that get old, or sick, and instead of being buried are being made into burgers - potentially meaning some of the meat could be from animals that were dying of some illness or another. If the horses are being slaughtered un officially then there are also issues about what cuts are making it into the meat on the shelf or how sanitary the slaughter and butchering conditions are. As this has all been done under wraps and hidden from regulators I wouldn't bet the farm on industry best practice being used.

The issue that lots of people are getting upset about is that due to so arbitrary customs they view horses very differently to cows or deer and attach a strong emotional response to animals they have never even met.
2013-02-25 04:18:25 PM  
3 votes:

Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.


You don't care that the product you are told you're buying is not the product you were told you were buying?  Seriously?  Because when people stop caring, here come the rat parts, and rat feces, and then it just gets weird.

If you're told that you're buying horse meat, and you get horse meat, that's fine.  If you're told you're buying horse meat, and you get beef, then yes, you should be upset.
2013-02-26 02:16:56 AM  
2 votes:

Kibbler: Lollipop165: Kibbler: ou don't care that the product you are told you're buying is not the product you were told you were buying?  Seriously?  Because when people stop caring, here come the rat parts, and rat feces, and then it just gets weird.

No I understand that, but people are freaking out like they ate dog shiat. Yeah, its a sale conspiracy but its not going to kill you.

And we've all probably already eaten rat parts if you've ever eaten processed food in my opinion.

...so it's OK?  What is the point?

If you choose to eat rat parts, then, well, I think it's pretty weird, and gross, and probably dangerous, but it's your choice.  If you know that's what you're getting.

Jackpot777:
I've bought things that are, let's say, Beef And Barley Soup. Yet when you look at the ingredients on the label, there's more carrot than barley. They still get to call it Beef And Barley Soup.

They bought beef. They got beef. And some filler. They're just quibbling about the filler, is all.

*speechless*


Don't even bother. It's over. Those of us with a semblance of sanity are an endangered species. By their logic, if the meatballs had baby fetus in it, and it tasted good, and even if it was marked beef, well hey "What's wrong with a little baby fetus?".

The crazy part of me thinks that the internet gets bombarded by spinsters that try to mitigate the problem. I mean, look at Ikea's facebook page. Ikea USA reassuring the public that the USA meatballs don't have horsemeat, yet many commenters simply don't care. How tough would it be to bombard your own facebook page with people downplaying the issue? (or this thread even?)

I guess people nowadays are too stupid to understand what being a "good consumer" is.

I went to the restaurant to get a t-bone steak, but got a pork chop. What's wrong with a pork chop?

I went to the car dealership to get a compact car, but they sold me an F-250. What's wrong with an F-250?

I went to college to study engineering, but they gave me an uncredited massage therapist degree. What's wrong with massage therapy?

/some of you are farking dolts.
2013-02-25 10:01:24 PM  
2 votes:
Look, with the price of beef so high and going to get a heck of a lot higher, don't be surprised if you find road kill mixed in.

During the last beef shortage I bought hamburger that was cut so heavily with corn fillers that it tasted weedy. Store brand hamburger from a few chain stores must have worked extra hours to pack in all the extra fat that rendered out, shrinking the burger by half. At least one small BBQ place was caught adding in Raccoon and Opossum to their pots of pulled pork and beef.

I bought a couple of brands of those boxed hamburgers and could swear that at least one was cut with sawdust. One more, I suspect, had some other type of meat in it aside from beef.

It was back then that we started realizing that companies would throw nearly anything in their ground beef to stretch it. I bought a roast once and when I cut it up to package it, discovered three distinct red bands -- marks left from the meat being dyed. That means it had been kept past it's expiration date.
Several grocery stores started pulling out of date chickens off the shelves, cutting them in half, dousing them with seasonings, then repacking them for BBQ -- at a higher price. That's when some stores were caught rinsing old fish in bleach water to kill the smell, make them look fresher and putting them back in the case.

You probably didn't notice that a lot of hamburger-in-a-tube, cheaper than most, tended to shrink a lot when cooked, because of all the extra water they pumped into it.

Store butchers used to give away beef bones for soup base. Now they package and sell them.

Plus, there are ways to use rotten pork for sausage, by just adding a common household cleaning powder to the mix, which kills the smell.

It was also the time when stores started including larger fat pads on chunks of meat, usually hidden on the bottom when packaged. They also used to sell the low grade chicken parts cheaply, like the neck, back, gizzards and livers, for soup. Now, the backs and necks are sold to companies for pet food, processed chicken and bullion makers. Livers and gizzards are no longer kept with the whole chicken, but separated out, packed into containers and sold separately.

The wing tips had no real value. You used to buy a bag of wings without the tips. Now, depending on the company, they include the tips. More weight, less eatable product. You'll mainly find them in those Styrofoam trays.

Out came chicken patties, dirt cheap. Breaded. Cook 'em and watch a surprising amount of yellow oil fill the pan. Eat one and try and figure out just what percentage of it is chicken.

Of that small percentage, try and figure out just exactly what part of the chicken it came from. Remember those backs and necks? Well, add in the legs and feet along with the tail.

I suspect a lot of meat products were loaded with bread crumbs, which must have been a boon for the bread companies.
That's also about the time we started adding the brains, spinal cords and assorted glands to the ground meats -- and got in a mess of health problems due to that.

So, don't be surprised if horse meat starts turning up in more and more prepared foods. Over the last 20 years, more and more folks have begun promoting the consumption of horse anyhow. After all, Emu and ostrich meat never did take off very well -- though it might make it's way into your pre-made Lasagna, spaghetti and frozen pizza.

Sometimes I wonder about what happened to all of those enemies of the old Mafia who vanished without a trace. Especially since at least once, an industrial meat grinder was found in a processing plant, jammed with a human ball joint. Most of the rest of the body was found in the catch bin, along with regular meat products. I think it was destined to become pet food or hamburger.

We didn't have DNA testing back then.
2013-02-25 09:55:19 PM  
2 votes:
I've eaten meat from lots of different critters. Horses included.

Its actually pretty damned tasty, when prepared correctly.

But the issue here is safety and proper handling/labeling by the distributor. If the only argument you have is "Ewwww, horse!" then the door is over there. Please leave, as the grown-ups are talking.
2013-02-25 07:54:18 PM  
2 votes:
Anyone who finds putting Ikea furniture together "overly complicated" has no business touching a hand tool.
2013-02-25 07:50:43 PM  
2 votes:
KimNorth: Wow, when you put it that way I am all for putting an animal down humanly. If it means that that animals suffering will end. I was thinking it would look something like we would start breeding horses to be raised for meat and I just can't get down with that.


Horses will never be raised for meat.  Their food intake requirements are too great for the quantity of meat you get, and how long they take to grow large enough to slaughter.  They aren't "efficient" animals to raise for food.

On the other hand, if you already have a horse that you've used for however many years as a show horse, a hobby, or as a working horse, and it comes time to put the animal down because of old age or something wrong with it (maybe physical ailment, not a biological illness) then you have a source of several hundred pounds of meat.  THAT is efficient: taking animals that will be put down (but aren't sick) and using them as a food source.
2013-02-25 07:18:37 PM  
2 votes:

KimNorth: Didn't Obama talk about making horse meat legal for U.S. human meat market? Whatever happen to that??


There WAS horse slaughter houses in the USA until 2007.  They produced horse meat for export to Mexico, Canada, and a few other countries.  There was SO MUCH WHINING and public demonstrations at the couple of slaughter houses left (one here in Illinois) about how horses are companion animals, how they suffer when they're crammed into trucks for the ride to the slaughter house, etc.  So Congress defunded USDA inspectors for these slaughter houses and that closed them.

The problem was that it didn't really stop the slaughter of horses.  The horses being sold to slaughter were horses that weren't worth much to the owners (not race horses, not pets, not show horses, not useful working horses) so the owners were happy to send them to auction and get a couple hundred bucks in exchange for getting rid of an animal that cost money to keep.  So now these owners have a horse that a vet is going to bill $500 to put it down, and the have to pay to dispose of the carcass.  So there were horses that were being neglected, or mistreated because they couldn't be sold for what (despite what the animal rights groups portrayed) would have been a humane slaughter.  That, and it just shifted the horse slaughtering down to Mexico - which means the horses were stressed by trucking longer distances, plus facing what surely isn't humane slaughter in Mexico.

Quietly, in 2012, horse slaughter was made legal again with funding for USDA inspectors.  But to start in the USA again would mean a business would have to seek to build or convert a slaughter house specifically for horses, which would bring the animal rights groups out to march and picket again.

Short answer is that due to public protesting by a minority, fringe group, horse slaughter ain't coming back to the USA.
2013-02-25 07:11:08 PM  
2 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.


They're called köttbullar , pronounced shut-bull-ar.  I always get a kick out of hearing that when my Swedish friend say it.  To be fair, though, these should be hestbullar.
2013-02-25 06:55:15 PM  
2 votes:

Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.


The problem with horse meat isn't that some people think it's gross to eat a horse. Unless it was raised specifically for human consumption it's going to contain drugs that are harmful to humans. Everything from antibiotics to steroids are routinely given to most domesticated horses, and most of those medications are not fit for human consumption.
2013-02-25 05:25:43 PM  
2 votes:

Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?


Not so long as it is labeled as such, and tested properly, no.
2013-02-25 05:06:46 PM  
2 votes:

bungle_jr: i heard that aside from the hormones/drugs issue, another big issue was the cost difference between horse and beef meant someone in the chain was getting severely cheated financially.


Horses grown for food are legal in many parts of the world. Some dead horses are worth good money as food. Others are not to be sold as food due to the aforementioned drugs issue. My guess is that someone had a bunch of dead unsellable horse meat and turned that liability into an asset. The people who did this did it to make money not lose money.
2013-02-25 05:03:10 PM  
2 votes:

buttery_shame_cave: why be speechless? are you left without a valid argument, because he's correct?


It's about the integrity of the global food chain.

Not about whether horse meat is an acceptable filler.
2013-02-25 04:32:52 PM  
2 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com
2013-02-25 04:19:50 PM  
2 votes:
Here's what has been going through my mind about this whole horse meat thing, especially as it pertains to the UK: when I was there, and the conversation got around to what foreigners eat (a lively topic of British conversation), people said they wouldn't eat horse-meat because it would taste disgusting and it's such poor quality meat that they wouldn't be able to force it down their throat and all that malarkey.

Yet there's been this horse meat in  for YEARS, and millions of people obviously ate it, yet NOT ONE PERSON apparently spat the stuff out and said, "ugh, this is disgusting. What is it, horse meat or something?!?" Whether it's a Findus brand frozen lasagna, Tesco supermarket's own-brand burgers, or Ikea meatballs. Not one person declared, "I think this crap is horse meat!"

Supermarket shoppers of Europe: you've been eating horse. You didn't die. Suck it up and keep eating it. And for Gods' sake, shut up.
2013-02-25 03:56:12 PM  
2 votes:

quatchi: Dammit, and I really liked the Swedish meatballs at Ikea. >.<

The promise of a plate of that stuff is practically the only way to get me inside of one of those places short of putting a gun to my head.

/1/2 hour of playing in the ball room optional.


North American Ikea's meatballs are all American meat, however you feel about that so close to Alberta...
2013-02-25 02:57:20 PM  
2 votes:

nekom: sno man: nekom: Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.

This is true. Horse meat is in fact meat.

Indeed, except the packaging specifically lists beef and pork in the ingredients... not horse.

Then it's a false advertising issue for sure.


Maybe the horse's name was "beef and pork".
2013-02-25 02:48:30 PM  
2 votes:
IKEA is a wonderful way to test the strength of your relationships.
2013-02-26 05:06:28 AM  
1 votes:

wildcardjack: Yeah, whats so bad about horse meat? The problem I hear most about is the use of certain veterinary drugs banned in meat for human and that's not just a horse problem.


I think it's a USDA thing.
2013-02-26 03:31:47 AM  
1 votes:
Well my friend Bob Sacamano eats horse all the time. He gets it from his butcher.
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-25 09:47:23 PM  
1 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: ReapTheChaos: Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.

The problem with horse meat isn't that some people think it's gross to eat a horse. Unless it was raised specifically for human consumption it's going to contain drugs that are harmful to humans. Everything from antibiotics to steroids are routinely given to most domesticated horses, and most of those medications are not fit for human consumption.

so your saying i could look like ahnold


The problem is you could end up (if you are a dude) with gonads the size of pistachios.
Exogenous hormones in large quantities will destroy the ability for a male to produce testosterone naturally.
Also, there is a precursor call aromatase which can synthesize estrogen from testosterone. As sort of "girly juice" double-down the body can pull.
Too much E in a guy=weight gain, fatigue, bone density loss and a barnyard full of other bad effects.
And this can all come from overloading with exogenous T.
2013-02-25 09:16:14 PM  
1 votes:
If this keeps on, maybe I can finally get a filly cheese steak.
2013-02-25 08:51:27 PM  
1 votes:

iron de havilland: Tenga: Screw Ikea. They put the company I work for through hell for a year and a half in order to have the HONOR of being a supplier to them. Ended up picking a Turkish company.

Reading between the lines:

The company I worked for desperately wanted to supply Ikea. It failed to meet the standards Ikea demanded.

The schadenfreude, it feels good.

Are you missing the part where horse meat is turning up in the food chain all over Europe? And the fact that food is a sideline business for Ikea, representing a teeny ickle part of the their business?


Having worked with several IKEA standards, I gotta go with Tenga here.  They sure look nice and professional, but anyone with subject matter knowledge will quickly determine they are contradictory and poorly written.  Just the kind of thing a committee of people who don't know what they're talking about would put together.  IOS-MAT standards can EABOD.
2013-02-25 08:44:55 PM  
1 votes:

Tenga: Screw Ikea. They put the company I work for through hell for a year and a half in order to have the HONOR of being a supplier to them. Ended up picking a Turkish company.


Reading between the lines:

The company I worked for desperately wanted to supply Ikea. It failed to meet the standards Ikea demanded.

The schadenfreude, it feels good.

Are you missing the part where horse meat is turning up in the food chain all over Europe? And the fact that food is a sideline business for Ikea, representing a teeny ickle part of the their business?
2013-02-25 08:12:44 PM  
1 votes:

mrmopar5287: On the other hand, if you already have a horse that you've used for however many years as a show horse, a hobby, or as a working horse, and it comes time to put the animal down because of old age or something wrong with it (maybe physical ailment, not a biological illness) then you have a source of several hundred pounds of meat.  THAT is efficient: taking animals that will be put down (but aren't sick) and using them as a food source.


You know what else are efficient food sources? Cats and dogs that are being euthanized at shelters. Also: people.
2013-02-25 07:24:29 PM  
1 votes:

mrmopar5287: KimNorth: Didn't Obama talk about making horse meat legal for U.S. human meat market? Whatever happen to that??

There WAS horse slaughter houses in the USA until 2007.  They produced horse meat for export to Mexico, Canada, and a few other countries.  There was SO MUCH WHINING and public demonstrations at the couple of slaughter houses left (one here in Illinois) about how horses are companion animals, how they suffer when they're crammed into trucks for the ride to the slaughter house, etc.  So Congress defunded USDA inspectors for these slaughter houses and that closed them.

The problem was that it didn't really stop the slaughter of horses.  The horses being sold to slaughter were horses that weren't worth much to the owners (not race horses, not pets, not show horses, not useful working horses) so the owners were happy to send them to auction and get a couple hundred bucks in exchange for getting rid of an animal that cost money to keep.  So now these owners have a horse that a vet is going to bill $500 to put it down, and the have to pay to dispose of the carcass.  So there were horses that were being neglected, or mistreated because they couldn't be sold for what (despite what the animal rights groups portrayed) would have been a humane slaughter.  That, and it just shifted the horse slaughtering down to Mexico - which means the horses were stressed by trucking longer distances, plus facing what surely isn't humane slaughter in Mexico.

Quietly, in 2012, horse slaughter was made legal again with funding for USDA inspectors.  But to start in the USA again would mean a business would have to seek to build or convert a slaughter house specifically for horses, which would bring the animal rights groups out to march and picket again.

Short answer is that due to public protesting by a minority, fringe group, horse slaughter ain't coming back to the USA.


Wow, when you put it that way I am all for putting an animal down humanly. If it means that that animals suffering will end. I was thinking it would look something like we would start breeding horses to be raised for meat and I just can't get down with that.
2013-02-25 07:13:22 PM  
1 votes:
Well that's me added to the "almost definitely eaten horse meat" list then.
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-25 07:10:46 PM  
1 votes:

nekom: Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.

This is true. Horse meat is in fact meat.


So are we, for that matter.

"Oi, you're a tasty litt-el crumpette, popette"
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
2013-02-25 07:05:23 PM  
1 votes:
mbillips:

Meh. Bute won't hurt you in the greatly diluted form it shows up in racehorse meat, and it's not persistent in the body. Eating doped-up racehorse meat is like taking a hundredth of a baby aspirin.

I can't comment on safe quantities of horse medication, but it's a big assumption to make that the only health issue with this meat is a potential dose of antibiotics.
2013-02-25 07:03:34 PM  
1 votes:
There are a couple of reasons why I am not cool with this.
1) Product labeling is important. I want to know what is in my food.
2) I want the manufacturer of my food to know what is in my food! Packaging up whatever random crap your vendor delivered and calling it "beef and/or pork" is not acceptable. Is there dog in there? Maybe some pussy? How about some rat? Own your damn product.
3) I only eat ugly animals. Seriously that's how I do it. I know it doesn't make any sense but it's how I'm wired. I can eat (adult) cow but I could never eat a horse. So don't farking serve me horse if I ordered cow.
2013-02-25 06:51:09 PM  
1 votes:

Jackpot777: Kibbler: Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.

You don't care that the product you are told you're buying is not the product you were told you were buying?  Seriously?  Because when people stop caring, here come the rat parts, and rat feces, and then it just gets weird.

If you're told that you're buying horse meat, and you get horse meat, that's fine.  If you're told you're buying horse meat, and you get beef, then yes, you should be upset.

I've bought things that are, let's say, Beef And Barley Soup. Yet when you look at the ingredients on the label, there's more carrot than barley. They still get to call it Beef And Barley Soup.

They bought beef. They got beef. And some filler. They're just quibbling about the filler, is all.


If they don't put the filler on the ingredient list, that's a sign they aren't following industry standards and E. Coli might be part of dinner tonight.
2013-02-25 06:29:05 PM  
1 votes:

Twilight Farkle: [lh3.googleusercontent.com image 450x450]

HEY PIA IKEA! What's for dinner?

[25.media.tumblr.com image 450x450]

Uh, Pia? Are you sure?

[i.imgur.com image 450x450]
Awk-ward...


www.kraftfuttermischwerk.de
2013-02-25 06:24:08 PM  
1 votes:
Didn't Obama talk about making horse meat legal for U.S. human meat market? Whatever happen to that??
2013-02-25 06:06:11 PM  
1 votes:
So if I look for these when I shop there, what product name should I look for: "Klipkloppen"?
2013-02-25 06:03:21 PM  
1 votes:
lh3.googleusercontent.com

HEY PIA IKEA! What's for dinner?

25.media.tumblr.com

Uh, Pia? Are you sure?

i.imgur.com
Awk-ward...
2013-02-25 06:01:17 PM  
1 votes:
What is it about the horse meat threads and the pink slime threads that brings out all the farkers ordering the rest of us to shut up and eat whatever Company X decides to sell.  I can't think of another product or service where people come right out and say "I don't care that I got something different than what I paid for, and neither should you"!
2013-02-25 06:00:29 PM  
1 votes:
fyrewede: If they can't even get basic scrambled eggs right (srsly -- WTF are those?)

They look like eggs that have been scrambled to hell and back.
2013-02-25 05:32:33 PM  
1 votes:
Shazam999:
Heh.  Microwaved eggs from a mix.

A little *too mixed* a mix if you ask me.  Eggs aren't supposed to be that uniform.  Daring husband indicated that one of the ways in which they were 'off' to him was that they were far too "yolky."
2013-02-25 05:25:51 PM  
1 votes:

Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.


Agreed. Meat is meat, and as long as it's safe for consumption, whatever. On the flip-side if a product contains horse meat (above trace levels), it's labeling should reflect this.
2013-02-25 05:22:40 PM  
1 votes:

Rich Cream: I didn't realize horses were so common that they could be available for what appears to be every ground meat product in existence.

/seriously, who has a pony when they're growing up?


www.stanus.net
2013-02-25 05:19:41 PM  
1 votes:
I didn't realize horses were so common that they could be available for what appears to be every ground meat product in existence.

/seriously, who has a pony when they're growing up?
2013-02-25 05:18:04 PM  
1 votes:
Ikea, meatballs, tasty.
2013-02-25 05:09:18 PM  
1 votes:

akya: ikea ceo:We bought all these horses to make glue for our furniture, and we've got all these parts left over!  What are we going to do!?

*nervous hush takes over the boardroom*

up and coming manager:We could use the meat in our meatballs?

CEO:GIVE THIS MAN A RAISE!


Agrees.

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

/ Needs more horse, Carl.
2013-02-25 05:08:04 PM  
1 votes:

bhcompy: quatchi: [cdn.chud.com image 512x384]

Has an opinion here.

This opinion?

[i.qkme.me image 512x384]


*shakes tiny fist*
2013-02-25 04:56:32 PM  
1 votes:
i heard that aside from the hormones/drugs issue, another big issue was the cost difference between horse and beef meant someone in the chain was getting severely cheated financially
2013-02-25 04:55:41 PM  
1 votes:

neversummer: How could there even be that much horse meat on the market? I mean considering the massive scale of the beef industry, cattle must outnumber horses 10,000:1.

I've always said that I'm 99.99% sure I've eaten human at some point in my lifetime. Think about it. What better way to dispose of a body.


farm4.static.flickr.com

has absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
2013-02-25 04:54:17 PM  
1 votes:

Avenger: Horse meat is a lot more expensive than regular beef meat. There is no horse meat scandal unless you hate good meat.


cheap horse meat is not fit for human consumption.  Do you need a map?
2013-02-25 04:52:01 PM  
1 votes:

Dragonflew: Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

I wouldn't care if the seller KNEW there was horse meat in the food.  The point is not the kind of meat that is in there, it's that if they don't know that there is horse in the meat, what else don't they know about it?  It shows extremely poor quality control.


there is a test for bute, and some horses tested positive and still got through...
2013-02-25 04:45:50 PM  
1 votes:
How could there even be that much horse meat on the market? I mean considering the massive scale of the beef industry, cattle must outnumber horses 10,000:1.

I've always said that I'm 99.99% sure I've eaten human at some point in my lifetime. Think about it. What better way to dispose of a body.
2013-02-25 04:45:16 PM  
1 votes:
By the way: where are all the Libertarians at? Show of hands for the "less government sticking their noses into businesses", amirite guys?
2013-02-25 04:43:52 PM  
1 votes:

Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?


I wouldn't care if the seller KNEW there was horse meat in the food.  The point is not the kind of meat that is in there, it's that if they don't know that there is horse in the meat, what else don't they know about it?  It shows extremely poor quality control.
2013-02-25 04:40:41 PM  
1 votes:

uncleacid: I've been through the desert  with a horse and Lo-mein.


It felt good to eat out of the rein.
2013-02-25 04:36:46 PM  
1 votes:

Trocadero: Several members of the Mexican National Soccer team tested positive for banned stuff, and they successfully appealed that they were given "tainted meat."


Maybe they should have eaten some...

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...chicharitos.

YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH...!!!
2013-02-25 04:36:45 PM  
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wildcardjack: Yeah, whats so bad about horse meat? The problem I hear most about is the use of certain veterinary drugs banned in meat for human and that's not just a horse problem.


If M*A*S*H is to be trusted, consuming horse meat routinely as part of your diet leads to a negative reaction with tetanus serum.

Citation:  Episode 187 (S08E18)

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/Coincidentally, I'm about 99% sure that image is from the same episode
//"A man's horse was his best friend--where do people get off turning them into porkchops?"
2013-02-25 04:33:23 PM  
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My only beef (*crickets*) w/ this is that there are a lot of hormones, painkillers, and other PEDs that you give horses to make them better for running or pulling. Several members of the Mexican National Soccer team tested positive for banned stuff, and they successfully appealed that they were given "tainted meat." Yes, eating horse burgers could probably make you fail a PED test. Cows are also drugged out of their gourds, but that's stuff to make them better meat makers, not runners. It's not so much the horse part, as it is the horse drugs part.
2013-02-25 04:31:08 PM  
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I bet horse meat would be tasty if they were fed Beef-a-reeno.


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Rusty!
2013-02-25 04:30:52 PM  
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wildcardjack: Yeah, whats so bad about horse meat? The problem I hear most about is the use of certain veterinary drugs banned in meat for human and that's not just a horse problem.


And that means diddly squat in the good old US of A, considering the crap we feed beef and pork.
2013-02-25 04:28:39 PM  
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Lollipop165: And we've all probably already eaten rat parts if you've ever eaten processed food in my opinion.


Rat parts, insects, larvae, maggots, rodent hair, insect eggs, spiders, rodent filth, insect filth...

And that's just the vegan-friendly foods...
2013-02-25 04:26:43 PM  
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namegoeshere: Ikea sells food?  Does it come with that little wrench?


Yes, and with enough meatballs and that little wrench you can build your own horse.
2013-02-25 04:22:44 PM  
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Jackpot777: You didn't die. Suck it up and keep eating it. And for Gods' sake, shut up.


F*ck you :)
2013-02-25 04:21:28 PM  
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Wouldn't it be easier to assume at this point that all meat from Europe includes horsemeat?
2013-02-25 04:20:51 PM  
1 votes:
You buy your meat balls where you buy your furniture something is bound to get mixed up.
2013-02-25 04:19:52 PM  
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Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?


No, I think most sane people really couldn't give a fark if they tried.
2013-02-25 04:18:52 PM  
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sno man: The recall does not extend to Canadian stores because their meatballs are produced in the United States


Those "shoot, shovel & shut-up" folk? No wonder I forgot where I parked the last time I ate at Ikea!
This cow is mad!
2013-02-25 04:18:46 PM  
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As I asked Facebook today, given all the places horsemeat is showing up, can't we just agree that horsemeat is farking delicious?
2013-02-25 04:14:49 PM  
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Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.
2013-02-25 04:13:48 PM  
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I ate at IKEA once& broke a tooth on an allen key.
2013-02-25 04:13:47 PM  
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Sarah Jessica Parkerized!
2013-02-25 04:03:49 PM  
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straight from the horse's mouth, as it were...

The recall does not extend to Canadian stores because their meatballs are produced in the United States, said IKEA Canada spokeswoman Madeleine Löwenborg-Frick.   from here
2013-02-25 04:00:28 PM  
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sno man: quatchi: Dammit, and I really liked the Swedish meatballs at Ikea. >.<

The promise of a plate of that stuff is practically the only way to get me inside of one of those places short of putting a gun to my head.

/1/2 hour of playing in the ball room optional.


North American Ikea's meatballs are all American meat, however you feel about that so close to Alberta...

Meat made entirely from Americans?

Hope they trim the fat first.

/I keed.
//I keed because I love.
//Too much.


Your "Alberta..." joke was XLent, btw.
2013-02-25 03:52:26 PM  
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nekom: sno man:
it's the same scandal all over Britain & Europe with the horse meat turning up in the Beef... And while that is false advertising the real problem is no one seems to know how far back in the chain of middlemen it goes ... and that means no one knows the source of the horse meat leading to the possibility of the horse meat being doped up ex-race-horse meat. (not fit for consumption)  Health issue trumps advertising issue.

Very true. While psychologically it may be disturbing to some, most doctors seem to agree that eating horse meat is just fine, but if that gets in there, the question of "What kind of shady industry is this anyway?" does spring to mind. If what says "beef" has something other than dead cow inside, what else might have gotten in there?


a good first stop on the background from the Gaurdian

regarding the bold, from this source...
"Previous convictions of dealers and traders along with intelligence suggest a link between the horse trade, meat laundering and various forms of trafficking."

meat laundering ?!?  nice supply chain you got there Europe.
2013-02-25 03:45:59 PM  
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cdn.chud.com

Has an opinion here.
2013-02-25 03:44:22 PM  
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Dammit, and I really liked the Swedish meatballs at Ikea. >.<

The promise of a plate of that stuff is practically the only way to get me inside of one of those places short of putting a gun to my head.

/1/2 hour of playing in the ball room optional.
2013-02-25 03:42:53 PM  
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Horse are essentially tall skinny cows.  The only issue is that these horse were raise for human consumption.
2013-02-25 03:30:12 PM  
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sno man:
it's the same scandal all over Britain & Europe with the horse meat turning up in the Beef... And while that is false advertising the real problem is no one seems to know how far back in the chain of middlemen it goes ... and that means no one knows the source of the horse meat leading to the possibility of the horse meat being doped up ex-race-horse meat. (not fit for consumption)  Health issue trumps advertising issue.


Very true. While psychologically it may be disturbing to some, most doctors seem to agree that eating horse meat is just fine, but if that gets in there, the question of "What kind of shady industry is this anyway?" does spring to mind. If what says "beef" has something other than dead cow inside, what else might have gotten in there?
2013-02-25 03:17:19 PM  
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nekom: sno man: nekom: Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.

This is true. Horse meat is in fact meat.

Indeed, except the packaging specifically lists beef and pork in the ingredients... not horse.

Then it's a false advertising issue for sure.


it's the same scandal all over Britain & Europe with the horse meat turning up in the Beef... And while that is false advertising the real problem is no one seems to know how far back in the chain of middlemen it goes ... and that means no one knows the source of the horse meat leading to the possibility of the horse meat being doped up ex-race-horse meat. (not fit for consumption)  Health issue trumps advertising issue.
2013-02-25 03:14:17 PM  
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Yeah, whats so bad about horse meat? The problem I hear most about is the use of certain veterinary drugs banned in meat for human and that's not just a horse problem.
2013-02-25 02:30:17 PM  
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Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.


This is true. Horse meat is in fact meat.
2013-02-25 02:23:48 PM  
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To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.
 
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