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2013-02-25 02:23:48 PM
To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.
 
2013-02-25 02:30:17 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.


This is true. Horse meat is in fact meat.
 
2013-02-25 02:44:34 PM

nekom: Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.

This is true. Horse meat is in fact meat.


Indeed, except the packaging specifically lists beef and pork in the ingredients... not horse.
 
2013-02-25 02:45:57 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-25 02:48:30 PM
IKEA is a wonderful way to test the strength of your relationships.
 
2013-02-25 02:53:52 PM

sno man: nekom: Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.

This is true. Horse meat is in fact meat.

Indeed, except the packaging specifically lists beef and pork in the ingredients... not horse.


Then it's a false advertising issue for sure.
 
2013-02-25 02:57:20 PM

nekom: sno man: nekom: Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.

This is true. Horse meat is in fact meat.

Indeed, except the packaging specifically lists beef and pork in the ingredients... not horse.

Then it's a false advertising issue for sure.


Maybe the horse's name was "beef and pork".
 
2013-02-25 03:06:21 PM
That "widening European meat scandal" ....JUST HAPPENS TO BE MY WIFE!
 
2013-02-25 03:14:17 PM
Yeah, whats so bad about horse meat? The problem I hear most about is the use of certain veterinary drugs banned in meat for human and that's not just a horse problem.
 
2013-02-25 03:17:19 PM

nekom: sno man: nekom: Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.

This is true. Horse meat is in fact meat.

Indeed, except the packaging specifically lists beef and pork in the ingredients... not horse.

Then it's a false advertising issue for sure.


it's the same scandal all over Britain & Europe with the horse meat turning up in the Beef... And while that is false advertising the real problem is no one seems to know how far back in the chain of middlemen it goes ... and that means no one knows the source of the horse meat leading to the possibility of the horse meat being doped up ex-race-horse meat. (not fit for consumption)  Health issue trumps advertising issue.
 
2013-02-25 03:27:16 PM
Ikea sells food?  Does it come with that little wrench?
 
2013-02-25 03:30:12 PM

sno man:
it's the same scandal all over Britain & Europe with the horse meat turning up in the Beef... And while that is false advertising the real problem is no one seems to know how far back in the chain of middlemen it goes ... and that means no one knows the source of the horse meat leading to the possibility of the horse meat being doped up ex-race-horse meat. (not fit for consumption)  Health issue trumps advertising issue.


Very true. While psychologically it may be disturbing to some, most doctors seem to agree that eating horse meat is just fine, but if that gets in there, the question of "What kind of shady industry is this anyway?" does spring to mind. If what says "beef" has something other than dead cow inside, what else might have gotten in there?
 
2013-02-25 03:42:53 PM
Horse are essentially tall skinny cows.  The only issue is that these horse were raise for human consumption.
 
2013-02-25 03:44:22 PM
Dammit, and I really liked the Swedish meatballs at Ikea. >.<

The promise of a plate of that stuff is practically the only way to get me inside of one of those places short of putting a gun to my head.

/1/2 hour of playing in the ball room optional.
 
2013-02-25 03:45:59 PM
cdn.chud.com

Has an opinion here.
 
2013-02-25 03:52:26 PM

nekom: sno man:
it's the same scandal all over Britain & Europe with the horse meat turning up in the Beef... And while that is false advertising the real problem is no one seems to know how far back in the chain of middlemen it goes ... and that means no one knows the source of the horse meat leading to the possibility of the horse meat being doped up ex-race-horse meat. (not fit for consumption)  Health issue trumps advertising issue.

Very true. While psychologically it may be disturbing to some, most doctors seem to agree that eating horse meat is just fine, but if that gets in there, the question of "What kind of shady industry is this anyway?" does spring to mind. If what says "beef" has something other than dead cow inside, what else might have gotten in there?


a good first stop on the background from the Gaurdian

regarding the bold, from this source...
"Previous convictions of dealers and traders along with intelligence suggest a link between the horse trade, meat laundering and various forms of trafficking."

meat laundering ?!?  nice supply chain you got there Europe.
 
2013-02-25 03:56:12 PM

quatchi: Dammit, and I really liked the Swedish meatballs at Ikea. >.<

The promise of a plate of that stuff is practically the only way to get me inside of one of those places short of putting a gun to my head.

/1/2 hour of playing in the ball room optional.


North American Ikea's meatballs are all American meat, however you feel about that so close to Alberta...
 
2013-02-25 04:00:28 PM
sno man: quatchi: Dammit, and I really liked the Swedish meatballs at Ikea. >.<

The promise of a plate of that stuff is practically the only way to get me inside of one of those places short of putting a gun to my head.

/1/2 hour of playing in the ball room optional.


North American Ikea's meatballs are all American meat, however you feel about that so close to Alberta...

Meat made entirely from Americans?

Hope they trim the fat first.

/I keed.
//I keed because I love.
//Too much.


Your "Alberta..." joke was XLent, btw.
 
2013-02-25 04:03:49 PM
straight from the horse's mouth, as it were...

The recall does not extend to Canadian stores because their meatballs are produced in the United States, said IKEA Canada spokeswoman Madeleine Löwenborg-Frick.   from here
 
2013-02-25 04:04:46 PM
 
2013-02-25 04:13:47 PM
Sarah Jessica Parkerized!
 
2013-02-25 04:13:48 PM
I ate at IKEA once& broke a tooth on an allen key.
 
2013-02-25 04:14:19 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
Wanted for Questioning
 
2013-02-25 04:14:49 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.
 
2013-02-25 04:16:28 PM
Three months later, the horse meat just falls out, for no apparent reason.
 
2013-02-25 04:16:30 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.


You sir are technically correct the best kind of correct.

Would you like a glass of Malk?
 
2013-02-25 04:16:48 PM
Did they ever find out what happened to Ingvar Johannessen? It's really strange for someone to disappear from a meatball plant without a trace.
 
2013-02-25 04:18:25 PM

zerkalo: [24.media.tumblr.com image 407x568]
Wanted for Questioning


www.toughpigs.com

RIP Buster the Horse.
 
2013-02-25 04:18:25 PM

Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.


You don't care that the product you are told you're buying is not the product you were told you were buying?  Seriously?  Because when people stop caring, here come the rat parts, and rat feces, and then it just gets weird.

If you're told that you're buying horse meat, and you get horse meat, that's fine.  If you're told you're buying horse meat, and you get beef, then yes, you should be upset.
 
2013-02-25 04:18:46 PM
As I asked Facebook today, given all the places horsemeat is showing up, can't we just agree that horsemeat is farking delicious?
 
2013-02-25 04:18:52 PM

sno man: The recall does not extend to Canadian stores because their meatballs are produced in the United States


Those "shoot, shovel & shut-up" folk? No wonder I forgot where I parked the last time I ate at Ikea!
This cow is mad!
 
2013-02-25 04:19:44 PM
Rather have horse meat than these:

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

How about the gourmet here, you know what he wanted? Hotdogs! You know what they make those things out of, Chet? You know? Lips and assholes!
 
2013-02-25 04:19:50 PM
Here's what has been going through my mind about this whole horse meat thing, especially as it pertains to the UK: when I was there, and the conversation got around to what foreigners eat (a lively topic of British conversation), people said they wouldn't eat horse-meat because it would taste disgusting and it's such poor quality meat that they wouldn't be able to force it down their throat and all that malarkey.

Yet there's been this horse meat in  for YEARS, and millions of people obviously ate it, yet NOT ONE PERSON apparently spat the stuff out and said, "ugh, this is disgusting. What is it, horse meat or something?!?" Whether it's a Findus brand frozen lasagna, Tesco supermarket's own-brand burgers, or Ikea meatballs. Not one person declared, "I think this crap is horse meat!"

Supermarket shoppers of Europe: you've been eating horse. You didn't die. Suck it up and keep eating it. And for Gods' sake, shut up.
 
2013-02-25 04:19:52 PM

Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?


No, I think most sane people really couldn't give a fark if they tried.
 
2013-02-25 04:19:54 PM

HaywoodJablonski: As I asked Facebook today, given all the places horsemeat is showing up, can't we just agree that horsemeat is farking delicious?


Was there some doubt?
 
2013-02-25 04:20:33 PM
"This is an extraordinary effort to ensure that no one is worried,"

Such efforts account for whatever economic growth we've seen since 2001.
 
2013-02-25 04:20:49 PM

Oldiron_79: Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.

You sir are technically correct the best kind of correct.

Would you like a glass of Malk?


Malk and "beef" balls doesn't sound kosher...
 
2013-02-25 04:20:51 PM
You buy your meat balls where you buy your furniture something is bound to get mixed up.
 
2013-02-25 04:21:28 PM
Wouldn't it be easier to assume at this point that all meat from Europe includes horsemeat?
 
2013-02-25 04:21:43 PM

WhippingBoy: HaywoodJablonski: As I asked Facebook today, given all the places horsemeat is showing up, can't we just agree that horsemeat is farking delicious?

Was there some doubt?


Based on the replies I got, apparently
 
2013-02-25 04:22:44 PM

Jackpot777: You didn't die. Suck it up and keep eating it. And for Gods' sake, shut up.


F*ck you :)
 
2013-02-25 04:23:27 PM

Kibbler: Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.

You don't care that the product you are told you're buying is not the product you were told you were buying?  Seriously?  Because when people stop caring, here come the rat parts, and rat feces, and then it just gets weird.

If you're told that you're buying horse meat, and you get horse meat, that's fine.  If you're told you're buying horse meat, and you get beef, then yes, you should be upset.


I've bought things that are, let's say, Beef And Barley Soup. Yet when you look at the ingredients on the label, there's more carrot than barley. They still get to call it Beef And Barley Soup.

They bought beef. They got beef. And some filler. They're just quibbling about the filler, is all.
 
2013-02-25 04:23:50 PM

namegoeshere: Ikea sells food?  Does it come with that little wrench?


I ordered a sandwich one time,but it was missing a pickle and had an extra tomato slice.
 
2013-02-25 04:23:57 PM

Kibbler: ou don't care that the product you are told you're buying is not the product you were told you were buying?  Seriously?  Because when people stop caring, here come the rat parts, and rat feces, and then it just gets weird.


No I understand that, but people are freaking out like they ate dog shiat. Yeah, its a sale conspiracy but its not going to kill you.

And we've all probably already eaten rat parts if you've ever eaten processed food in my opinion.
 
2013-02-25 04:24:37 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Jackpot777: You didn't die. Suck it up and keep eating it. And for Gods' sake, shut up.

F*ck you :)


Says the killer of ponies...  ; )
 
2013-02-25 04:25:08 PM
Why the hell would anyone mix in horse meat with cow meat? That is like McD's saying, "hey, let's start adding actual angus beef into our shiatty $1 burgers". It is healthier, costs more, and from what I hear, damn good.
 
2013-02-25 04:25:26 PM

Lollipop165: And we've all probably already eaten rat parts if you've ever eaten processed food in my opinion.


One word: castoreum.
 
2013-02-25 04:25:51 PM

quatchi: [cdn.chud.com image 512x384]

Has an opinion here.


This opinion?

i.qkme.me
 
2013-02-25 04:26:33 PM
don't care, would still eat.
 
2013-02-25 04:26:43 PM

namegoeshere: Ikea sells food?  Does it come with that little wrench?


Yes, and with enough meatballs and that little wrench you can build your own horse.
 
2013-02-25 04:28:03 PM

sno man: meat laundering ?!?



I've called it that for years.
 
2013-02-25 04:28:39 PM

Lollipop165: And we've all probably already eaten rat parts if you've ever eaten processed food in my opinion.


Rat parts, insects, larvae, maggots, rodent hair, insect eggs, spiders, rodent filth, insect filth...

And that's just the vegan-friendly foods...
 
2013-02-25 04:29:14 PM
So was the Horse meat spoiled or something? I'm not seeing the issue.
 
2013-02-25 04:29:38 PM

Lollipop165: Kibbler: ou don't care that the product you are told you're buying is not the product you were told you were buying?  Seriously?  Because when people stop caring, here come the rat parts, and rat feces, and then it just gets weird.

No I understand that, but people are freaking out like they ate dog shiat. Yeah, its a sale conspiracy but its not going to kill you.

And we've all probably already eaten rat parts if you've ever eaten processed food in my opinion.


...so it's OK?  What is the point?

If you choose to eat rat parts, then, well, I think it's pretty weird, and gross, and probably dangerous, but it's your choice.  If you know that's what you're getting.

Jackpot777:
I've bought things that are, let's say, Beef And Barley Soup. Yet when you look at the ingredients on the label, there's more carrot than barley. They still get to call it Beef And Barley Soup.

They bought beef. They got beef. And some filler. They're just quibbling about the filler, is all.


*speechless*
 
2013-02-25 04:29:58 PM

Jackpot777: The My Little Pony Killer: Jackpot777: You didn't die. Suck it up and keep eating it. And for Gods' sake, shut up.

F*ck you :)

Says the killer of ponies...  ; )


It's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife

to carve up your horse steak.
 
2013-02-25 04:30:52 PM

wildcardjack: Yeah, whats so bad about horse meat? The problem I hear most about is the use of certain veterinary drugs banned in meat for human and that's not just a horse problem.


And that means diddly squat in the good old US of A, considering the crap we feed beef and pork.
 
2013-02-25 04:31:08 PM
I bet horse meat would be tasty if they were fed Beef-a-reeno.


i2.ytimg.com

Rusty!
 
2013-02-25 04:32:47 PM
Ya know, I'm just thankful there is indeed "meat" in an Ikea meatball - as opposed to my assumption of seat-cushion stuffing.
 
2013-02-25 04:32:52 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-25 04:33:23 PM
My only beef (*crickets*) w/ this is that there are a lot of hormones, painkillers, and other PEDs that you give horses to make them better for running or pulling. Several members of the Mexican National Soccer team tested positive for banned stuff, and they successfully appealed that they were given "tainted meat." Yes, eating horse burgers could probably make you fail a PED test. Cows are also drugged out of their gourds, but that's stuff to make them better meat makers, not runners. It's not so much the horse part, as it is the horse drugs part.
 
2013-02-25 04:35:56 PM
Maybe the producers are just trying to limit the Mad Cow disease risk, by cutting their diseased beef with healthy horse.
 
2013-02-25 04:36:45 PM

wildcardjack: Yeah, whats so bad about horse meat? The problem I hear most about is the use of certain veterinary drugs banned in meat for human and that's not just a horse problem.


If M*A*S*H is to be trusted, consuming horse meat routinely as part of your diet leads to a negative reaction with tetanus serum.

Citation:  Episode 187 (S08E18)

longshotsblues.files.wordpress.com

/Coincidentally, I'm about 99% sure that image is from the same episode
//"A man's horse was his best friend--where do people get off turning them into porkchops?"
 
2013-02-25 04:36:46 PM

Trocadero: Several members of the Mexican National Soccer team tested positive for banned stuff, and they successfully appealed that they were given "tainted meat."


Maybe they should have eaten some...

2.bp.blogspot.com

...chicharitos.

YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH...!!!
 
2013-02-25 04:38:44 PM
Mind yo, My sister once bit a hörse at Ikea.
 
2013-02-25 04:39:13 PM
I've been through the desert  with a horse and Lo-mein.
 
2013-02-25 04:40:41 PM

uncleacid: I've been through the desert  with a horse and Lo-mein.


It felt good to eat out of the rein.
 
2013-02-25 04:41:31 PM

HaywoodJablonski: As I asked Facebook today, given all the places horsemeat is showing up, can't we just agree that horsemeat is farking delicious?


Did Zuckerberg ever get back to you?
 
2013-02-25 04:41:38 PM
I recently had their meatballs, so I'm... Actually kinda apathetic.

I've eaten at buffets in Mexico, where I'm pretty sure I had something like 5-7 different animals, only some of which would be considered "politically correct".
 
2013-02-25 04:41:52 PM
Um, don't you go there expecting norse meat?  Oh, wait...
 
2013-02-25 04:43:21 PM
i1003.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-25 04:43:52 PM

Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?


I wouldn't care if the seller KNEW there was horse meat in the food.  The point is not the kind of meat that is in there, it's that if they don't know that there is horse in the meat, what else don't they know about it?  It shows extremely poor quality control.
 
2013-02-25 04:43:57 PM
At least it wasn't broken glass, which seems to be popping up in a lot of foods lately.
 
2013-02-25 04:44:25 PM

elchupacabra: I recently had their meatballs, so I'm... Actually kinda apathetic.

I've eaten at buffets in Mexico, where I'm pretty sure I had something like 5-7 different animals, only some of which would be considered "politically correct".


Animals can't vote, silly!
 
2013-02-25 04:44:49 PM
IKEA is going to be a place to take dates with all these fancy cuisine upgrades.
 
2013-02-25 04:45:16 PM
By the way: where are all the Libertarians at? Show of hands for the "less government sticking their noses into businesses", amirite guys?
 
2013-02-25 04:45:22 PM
Then again, that's IKEA-US meatballs that I had, so no worries, Wilbur.
 
2013-02-25 04:45:50 PM
How could there even be that much horse meat on the market? I mean considering the massive scale of the beef industry, cattle must outnumber horses 10,000:1.

I've always said that I'm 99.99% sure I've eaten human at some point in my lifetime. Think about it. What better way to dispose of a body.
 
2013-02-25 04:46:05 PM

exparrot: Mind yo, My sister once bit a hörse at Ikea.


Ikea meatballs can be nasti.
 
2013-02-25 04:47:30 PM
They didn't charge extra?  Why the recall?
 
2013-02-25 04:48:59 PM

nekom: sno man: nekom: Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.

This is true. Horse meat is in fact meat.

Indeed, except the packaging specifically lists beef and pork in the ingredients... not horse.

Then it's a false advertising issue for sure.


Sounds like fraud to me.
 
2013-02-25 04:51:21 PM
Horse meat is a lot more expensive than regular beef meat. There is no horse meat scandal unless you hate good meat.
 
2013-02-25 04:52:01 PM

Dragonflew: Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

I wouldn't care if the seller KNEW there was horse meat in the food.  The point is not the kind of meat that is in there, it's that if they don't know that there is horse in the meat, what else don't they know about it?  It shows extremely poor quality control.


there is a test for bute, and some horses tested positive and still got through...
 
2013-02-25 04:52:33 PM
Look at my horse, my horse is amazing. Give it a lick!
It tastes just like lingonberries.
 
2013-02-25 04:52:35 PM

Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.


Ditto.  Horsemeat is yummy.
 
2013-02-25 04:54:17 PM

Avenger: Horse meat is a lot more expensive than regular beef meat. There is no horse meat scandal unless you hate good meat.


cheap horse meat is not fit for human consumption.  Do you need a map?
 
2013-02-25 04:54:52 PM

Trashy: So was the Horse meat spoiled or something? I'm not seeing the issue.


The real issue is that nobody knows where the horse meat is coming from. It is unlikely to be from horses farmed for human consumption as they are expensive. If its from horses bred and trained for racing that were  either 'retired' or didn't make the big leagues then they would have almost certainly been given drugs that are not permitted in meat for human consumption. Other sources could be recreational riding horses that get old, or sick, and instead of being buried are being made into burgers - potentially meaning some of the meat could be from animals that were dying of some illness or another. If the horses are being slaughtered un officially then there are also issues about what cuts are making it into the meat on the shelf or how sanitary the slaughter and butchering conditions are. As this has all been done under wraps and hidden from regulators I wouldn't bet the farm on industry best practice being used.

The issue that lots of people are getting upset about is that due to so arbitrary customs they view horses very differently to cows or deer and attach a strong emotional response to animals they have never even met.
 
2013-02-25 04:54:56 PM

Kibbler: Lollipop165: Kibbler: ou don't care that the product you are told you're buying is not the product you were told you were buying?  Seriously?  Because when people stop caring, here come the rat parts, and rat feces, and then it just gets weird.

No I understand that, but people are freaking out like they ate dog shiat. Yeah, its a sale conspiracy but its not going to kill you.

And we've all probably already eaten rat parts if you've ever eaten processed food in my opinion.

...so it's OK?  What is the point?

If you choose to eat rat parts, then, well, I think it's pretty weird, and gross, and probably dangerous, but it's your choice.  If you know that's what you're getting.

Jackpot777:
I've bought things that are, let's say, Beef And Barley Soup. Yet when you look at the ingredients on the label, there's more carrot than barley. They still get to call it Beef And Barley Soup.

They bought beef. They got beef. And some filler. They're just quibbling about the filler, is all.

*speechless*

why be speechless? are you left without a valid argument, because he's correct?
 
2013-02-25 04:55:41 PM

neversummer: How could there even be that much horse meat on the market? I mean considering the massive scale of the beef industry, cattle must outnumber horses 10,000:1.

I've always said that I'm 99.99% sure I've eaten human at some point in my lifetime. Think about it. What better way to dispose of a body.


farm4.static.flickr.com

has absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
 
2013-02-25 04:55:53 PM
This is odd, because I always figured Ikea held the highest standards when it came to quality food preparation and furniture craftsmanship. Colour me shocked.
 
2013-02-25 04:56:32 PM
i heard that aside from the hormones/drugs issue, another big issue was the cost difference between horse and beef meant someone in the chain was getting severely cheated financially
 
2013-02-25 04:58:43 PM
Get these guys on it:

images2-focus-opensocial.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-02-25 04:58:48 PM
ikea ceo:We bought all these horses to make glue for our furniture, and we've got all these parts left over!  What are we going to do!?

*nervous hush takes over the boardroom*

up and coming manager:We could use the meat in our meatballs?

CEO:GIVE THIS MAN A RAISE!
 
2013-02-25 05:01:46 PM
If it hadn't been for that horse I would have never spent that day in Ikea.
 
2013-02-25 05:03:10 PM

buttery_shame_cave: why be speechless? are you left without a valid argument, because he's correct?


It's about the integrity of the global food chain.

Not about whether horse meat is an acceptable filler.
 
2013-02-25 05:03:48 PM
This is what I was served recently at the Atlanta IKEA when I ordered breakfast there (notice the box of Dryck Fläder on the left).

If they can't even get basic scrambled eggs right (srsly -- WTF are those?), what chance is there that they will get the meat right?

img18.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-25 05:05:57 PM

fyrewede: This is what I was served recently at the Atlanta IKEA when I ordered breakfast there (notice the box of Dryck Fläder on the left).

If they can't even get basic scrambled eggs right (srsly -- WTF are those?), what chance is there that they will get the meat right?

[img18.imageshack.us image 512x384]


That looks more like Swiss cheese than eggs.
 
2013-02-25 05:06:16 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Trashy: So was the Horse meat spoiled or something? I'm not seeing the issue.

The real issue is that nobody knows where the horse meat is coming from. It is unlikely to be from horses farmed for human consumption as they are expensive. If its from horses bred and trained for racing that were  either 'retired' or didn't make the big leagues then they would have almost certainly been given drugs that are not permitted in meat for human consumption. Other sources could be recreational riding horses that get old, or sick, and instead of being buried are being made into burgers - potentially meaning some of the meat could be from animals that were dying of some illness or another. If the horses are being slaughtered un officially then there are also issues about what cuts are making it into the meat on the shelf or how sanitary the slaughter and butchering conditions are. As this has all been done under wraps and hidden from regulators I wouldn't bet the farm on industry best practice being used.

The issue that lots of people are getting upset about is that due to so arbitrary customs they view horses very differently to cows or deer and attach a strong emotional response to animals they have never even met.


Well put.  This is so obvious it's hard to believe anyone doesn't understand the issue, but it bears repeating for the mouthbreathers who can't be bothered to think for themselves.

/b-b-b-b-b-but Horsemeat!
 
2013-02-25 05:06:46 PM

bungle_jr: i heard that aside from the hormones/drugs issue, another big issue was the cost difference between horse and beef meant someone in the chain was getting severely cheated financially.


Horses grown for food are legal in many parts of the world. Some dead horses are worth good money as food. Others are not to be sold as food due to the aforementioned drugs issue. My guess is that someone had a bunch of dead unsellable horse meat and turned that liability into an asset. The people who did this did it to make money not lose money.
 
2013-02-25 05:08:04 PM

bhcompy: quatchi: [cdn.chud.com image 512x384]

Has an opinion here.

This opinion?

[i.qkme.me image 512x384]


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2013-02-25 05:09:18 PM

akya: ikea ceo:We bought all these horses to make glue for our furniture, and we've got all these parts left over!  What are we going to do!?

*nervous hush takes over the boardroom*

up and coming manager:We could use the meat in our meatballs?

CEO:GIVE THIS MAN A RAISE!


Agrees.

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

/ Needs more horse, Carl.
 
2013-02-25 05:12:11 PM
Ed Finnerty:
That looks more like Swiss cheese than eggs.

I know, right?  Or like a scoop of whipped margarine maybe?

Fearless husband tasted his (which looked comparatively normal, btw) and said they tasted fine. Tasted mine and said, "Yeah.  Yours are a little off.  I can't exactly describe how.  But they're off."

I don't like eggs that much anyway so I was happy to leave them on my plate... <<shudder>>
 
2013-02-25 05:18:04 PM
Ikea, meatballs, tasty.
 
2013-02-25 05:18:59 PM
 I think Ikea is cursed. Tell me it's not a coincidence that all of their products come with hex wrenches.
 
2013-02-25 05:19:41 PM
I didn't realize horses were so common that they could be available for what appears to be every ground meat product in existence.

/seriously, who has a pony when they're growing up?
 
2013-02-25 05:22:24 PM
Those Swedes sure know how to put in almosteverything you need.
 
2013-02-25 05:22:40 PM

Rich Cream: I didn't realize horses were so common that they could be available for what appears to be every ground meat product in existence.

/seriously, who has a pony when they're growing up?


www.stanus.net
 
2013-02-25 05:22:42 PM

fyrewede: Ed Finnerty:
That looks more like Swiss cheese than eggs.

I know, right?  Or like a scoop of whipped margarine maybe?

Fearless husband tasted his (which looked comparatively normal, btw) and said they tasted fine. Tasted mine and said, "Yeah.  Yours are a little off.  I can't exactly describe how.  But they're off."

I don't like eggs that much anyway so I was happy to leave them on my plate... <<shudder>>


I was thinking French vanilla ice cream.
 
2013-02-25 05:25:43 PM

Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?


Not so long as it is labeled as such, and tested properly, no.
 
2013-02-25 05:25:51 PM

Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.


Agreed. Meat is meat, and as long as it's safe for consumption, whatever. On the flip-side if a product contains horse meat (above trace levels), it's labeling should reflect this.
 
2013-02-25 05:25:59 PM

fyrewede: This is what I was served recently at the Atlanta IKEA when I ordered breakfast there (notice the box of Dryck Fläder on the left).

If they can't even get basic scrambled eggs right (srsly -- WTF are those?), what chance is there that they will get the meat right?

[img18.imageshack.us image 512x384]


Heh.  Microwaved eggs from a mix.
 
2013-02-25 05:27:28 PM

Shazam999: fyrewede: This is what I was served recently at the Atlanta IKEA when I ordered breakfast there (notice the box of Dryck Fläder on the left).

If they can't even get basic scrambled eggs right (srsly -- WTF are those?), what chance is there that they will get the meat right?

[img18.imageshack.us image 512x384]

Heh.  Microwaved eggs from a mix.


It is a little strange to complain about the quality of eggs you purchased at the furniture store, but here we are.
 
2013-02-25 05:29:29 PM
Video of the meatballs being cooked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo
 
2013-02-25 05:32:33 PM
Shazam999:
Heh.  Microwaved eggs from a mix.

A little *too mixed* a mix if you ask me.  Eggs aren't supposed to be that uniform.  Daring husband indicated that one of the ways in which they were 'off' to him was that they were far too "yolky."
 
2013-02-25 05:32:56 PM
As long as there's no monkey in the meatballs
s1.postimage.org
 
2013-02-25 05:39:31 PM
Wait, Ikea not only sells food, but people pay for it? AHAHahahahha~!
 
2013-02-25 05:46:26 PM

cyberspacedout: I think Ikea is cursed. Tell me it's not a coincidence that all of their products come with hex wrenches.


Some call them hex wrenches...

upload.wikimedia.org

:D

/Yup, just getting silly now.
 
2013-02-25 05:47:48 PM
Feersk bork feersk bork feerski deerski du!
Feersk bork neer feersk bork neer feersk Bork! Bork! Bork!

A horsey horsey!
A horsey horsey!
 
2013-02-25 05:48:54 PM
On a related note I am now gonna refer to Alan Keyes in every thread his name is mentioned as "Hex Wrenches".

/Yes, for the lulz.
 
2013-02-25 06:00:29 PM
fyrewede: If they can't even get basic scrambled eggs right (srsly -- WTF are those?)

They look like eggs that have been scrambled to hell and back.
 
2013-02-25 06:01:17 PM
What is it about the horse meat threads and the pink slime threads that brings out all the farkers ordering the rest of us to shut up and eat whatever Company X decides to sell.  I can't think of another product or service where people come right out and say "I don't care that I got something different than what I paid for, and neither should you"!
 
2013-02-25 06:03:21 PM
lh3.googleusercontent.com

HEY PIA IKEA! What's for dinner?

25.media.tumblr.com

Uh, Pia? Are you sure?

i.imgur.com
Awk-ward...
 
2013-02-25 06:04:45 PM

Big Dave: What is it about the horse meat threads and the pink slime threads that brings out all the farkers ordering the rest of us to shut up and eat whatever Company X decides to sell.  I can't think of another product or service where people come right out and say "I don't care that I got something different than what I paid for, and neither should you"!


You know that you don't have to listen to them? You know that, right???
 
2013-02-25 06:06:11 PM
So if I look for these when I shop there, what product name should I look for: "Klipkloppen"?
 
2013-02-25 06:08:12 PM
horse d'oeuvres for  EVERYBODY!
 
2013-02-25 06:24:00 PM
I don't know what the big deal is.  I hear that horses taste just like raisins.
 
2013-02-25 06:24:08 PM
Didn't Obama talk about making horse meat legal for U.S. human meat market? Whatever happen to that??
 
2013-02-25 06:28:16 PM

EvilEgg: Horse are essentially tall skinny cows


And humans  are essentially tall skinny pigs........
 
2013-02-25 06:29:05 PM

Twilight Farkle: [lh3.googleusercontent.com image 450x450]

HEY PIA IKEA! What's for dinner?

[25.media.tumblr.com image 450x450]

Uh, Pia? Are you sure?

[i.imgur.com image 450x450]
Awk-ward...


www.kraftfuttermischwerk.de
 
2013-02-25 06:30:50 PM

Jackpot777: I've bought things that are, let's say, Beef And Barley Soup. Yet when you look at the ingredients on the label, there's more carrot than barley. They still get to call it Beef And Barley Soup.

They bought beef. They got beef. And some filler. They're just quibbling about the filler, is all.


No. It's because there is not Standard of Identity (or whatever the local variant is) for Beef and Barley Soup.
 
2013-02-25 06:32:09 PM

Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.


More flavor than beef. I'm not opposed.
 
2013-02-25 06:34:40 PM
Meh. Mom still makes the best swedish meatballs.
 
2013-02-25 06:35:27 PM
0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com
 
2013-02-25 06:39:09 PM
i have a bag of thise meatballs in my freezer right now.

my wife served them to my son and his friend on a playdate last week!
 
2013-02-25 06:43:00 PM
Screw Ikea. They put the company I work for through hell for a year and a half in order to have the HONOR of being a supplier to them. Ended up picking a Turkish company.

The schadenfreude, it feels good.
 
2013-02-25 06:49:24 PM
Yesterday I was in a bar and some girls told me that if I buy them a drink, they'll give me some pink slime.
Although I enjoy eating that kind of stuff, I declined their offer.
I could've asked for myballs sandwich instead... They're better than IKEA's. Maybe next time.
 
2013-02-25 06:51:09 PM

Jackpot777: Kibbler: Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.

You don't care that the product you are told you're buying is not the product you were told you were buying?  Seriously?  Because when people stop caring, here come the rat parts, and rat feces, and then it just gets weird.

If you're told that you're buying horse meat, and you get horse meat, that's fine.  If you're told you're buying horse meat, and you get beef, then yes, you should be upset.

I've bought things that are, let's say, Beef And Barley Soup. Yet when you look at the ingredients on the label, there's more carrot than barley. They still get to call it Beef And Barley Soup.

They bought beef. They got beef. And some filler. They're just quibbling about the filler, is all.


If they don't put the filler on the ingredient list, that's a sign they aren't following industry standards and E. Coli might be part of dinner tonight.
 
2013-02-25 06:51:33 PM
It's not news that broke two weeks ago, it's fark.com]
 
2013-02-25 06:55:15 PM

Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.


The problem with horse meat isn't that some people think it's gross to eat a horse. Unless it was raised specifically for human consumption it's going to contain drugs that are harmful to humans. Everything from antibiotics to steroids are routinely given to most domesticated horses, and most of those medications are not fit for human consumption.
 
2013-02-25 06:58:28 PM
Do these meatballs taste funny to you?
Neigh
 
2013-02-25 06:59:15 PM

sno man: nekom: sno man: nekom: Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.

This is true. Horse meat is in fact meat.

Indeed, except the packaging specifically lists beef and pork in the ingredients... not horse.

Then it's a false advertising issue for sure.

it's the same scandal all over Britain & Europe with the horse meat turning up in the Beef... And while that is false advertising the real problem is no one seems to know how far back in the chain of middlemen it goes ... and that means no one knows the source of the horse meat leading to the possibility of the horse meat being doped up ex-race-horse meat. (not fit for consumption)  Health issue trumps advertising issue.


Meh. Bute won't hurt you in the greatly diluted form it shows up in racehorse meat, and it's not persistent in the body. Eating doped-up racehorse meat is like taking a hundredth of a baby aspirin.
 
2013-02-25 07:03:34 PM
There are a couple of reasons why I am not cool with this.
1) Product labeling is important. I want to know what is in my food.
2) I want the manufacturer of my food to know what is in my food! Packaging up whatever random crap your vendor delivered and calling it "beef and/or pork" is not acceptable. Is there dog in there? Maybe some pussy? How about some rat? Own your damn product.
3) I only eat ugly animals. Seriously that's how I do it. I know it doesn't make any sense but it's how I'm wired. I can eat (adult) cow but I could never eat a horse. So don't farking serve me horse if I ordered cow.
 
2013-02-25 07:05:23 PM
mbillips:

Meh. Bute won't hurt you in the greatly diluted form it shows up in racehorse meat, and it's not persistent in the body. Eating doped-up racehorse meat is like taking a hundredth of a baby aspirin.

I can't comment on safe quantities of horse medication, but it's a big assumption to make that the only health issue with this meat is a potential dose of antibiotics.
 
2013-02-25 07:06:02 PM
I find Ikea's flat-pack furniture easy to assemble, if slightly shoddy. But I've been building scale model kits since I was a kid; that's probably an advantage over most people.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-25 07:10:46 PM

nekom: Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.

This is true. Horse meat is in fact meat.


So are we, for that matter.

"Oi, you're a tasty litt-el crumpette, popette"
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-25 07:11:08 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, they're called "meat" balls, not "beef" balls, just like that "fish" sandwich.


They're called köttbullar , pronounced shut-bull-ar.  I always get a kick out of hearing that when my Swedish friend say it.  To be fair, though, these should be hestbullar.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-25 07:11:42 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: [0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com image 600x432]


Oh lord, I larfed so hard just now. Thanks, man.
 
2013-02-25 07:13:22 PM
Well that's me added to the "almost definitely eaten horse meat" list then.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-25 07:13:39 PM

mbillips: I find Ikea's flat-pack furniture easy to assemble, if slightly shoddy. But I've been building scale model kits since I was a kid; that's probably an advantage over most people.


I have taken some of their stuff, added biscuit joints to larger pieces, and used glue to make it permanent. Those tables and desks are DAMNED sturdy with some limited changes.
 
2013-02-25 07:18:37 PM

KimNorth: Didn't Obama talk about making horse meat legal for U.S. human meat market? Whatever happen to that??


There WAS horse slaughter houses in the USA until 2007.  They produced horse meat for export to Mexico, Canada, and a few other countries.  There was SO MUCH WHINING and public demonstrations at the couple of slaughter houses left (one here in Illinois) about how horses are companion animals, how they suffer when they're crammed into trucks for the ride to the slaughter house, etc.  So Congress defunded USDA inspectors for these slaughter houses and that closed them.

The problem was that it didn't really stop the slaughter of horses.  The horses being sold to slaughter were horses that weren't worth much to the owners (not race horses, not pets, not show horses, not useful working horses) so the owners were happy to send them to auction and get a couple hundred bucks in exchange for getting rid of an animal that cost money to keep.  So now these owners have a horse that a vet is going to bill $500 to put it down, and the have to pay to dispose of the carcass.  So there were horses that were being neglected, or mistreated because they couldn't be sold for what (despite what the animal rights groups portrayed) would have been a humane slaughter.  That, and it just shifted the horse slaughtering down to Mexico - which means the horses were stressed by trucking longer distances, plus facing what surely isn't humane slaughter in Mexico.

Quietly, in 2012, horse slaughter was made legal again with funding for USDA inspectors.  But to start in the USA again would mean a business would have to seek to build or convert a slaughter house specifically for horses, which would bring the animal rights groups out to march and picket again.

Short answer is that due to public protesting by a minority, fringe group, horse slaughter ain't coming back to the USA.
 
2013-02-25 07:22:31 PM

ReapTheChaos: Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.

The problem with horse meat isn't that some people think it's gross to eat a horse. Unless it was raised specifically for human consumption it's going to contain drugs that are harmful to humans. Everything from antibiotics to steroids are routinely given to most domesticated horses, and most of those medications are not fit for human consumption.


so your saying i could look like ahnold
 
2013-02-25 07:24:29 PM

mrmopar5287: KimNorth: Didn't Obama talk about making horse meat legal for U.S. human meat market? Whatever happen to that??

There WAS horse slaughter houses in the USA until 2007.  They produced horse meat for export to Mexico, Canada, and a few other countries.  There was SO MUCH WHINING and public demonstrations at the couple of slaughter houses left (one here in Illinois) about how horses are companion animals, how they suffer when they're crammed into trucks for the ride to the slaughter house, etc.  So Congress defunded USDA inspectors for these slaughter houses and that closed them.

The problem was that it didn't really stop the slaughter of horses.  The horses being sold to slaughter were horses that weren't worth much to the owners (not race horses, not pets, not show horses, not useful working horses) so the owners were happy to send them to auction and get a couple hundred bucks in exchange for getting rid of an animal that cost money to keep.  So now these owners have a horse that a vet is going to bill $500 to put it down, and the have to pay to dispose of the carcass.  So there were horses that were being neglected, or mistreated because they couldn't be sold for what (despite what the animal rights groups portrayed) would have been a humane slaughter.  That, and it just shifted the horse slaughtering down to Mexico - which means the horses were stressed by trucking longer distances, plus facing what surely isn't humane slaughter in Mexico.

Quietly, in 2012, horse slaughter was made legal again with funding for USDA inspectors.  But to start in the USA again would mean a business would have to seek to build or convert a slaughter house specifically for horses, which would bring the animal rights groups out to march and picket again.

Short answer is that due to public protesting by a minority, fringe group, horse slaughter ain't coming back to the USA.


Wow, when you put it that way I am all for putting an animal down humanly. If it means that that animals suffering will end. I was thinking it would look something like we would start breeding horses to be raised for meat and I just can't get down with that.
 
2013-02-25 07:25:16 PM
What's wrong about eating horse meat? I know people don't feel good eating dogs because they are cute and considered as "man's best friend", but technically dogs can be eaten just like other animals. What's wrong about horse meat? Is it because of moral views or is there a health reason?
 
2013-02-25 07:49:30 PM

Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.




Mmmmmm. I wonder what else is in those balls that they don't know about. You sound like a smart consumer.
 
2013-02-25 07:50:43 PM
KimNorth: Wow, when you put it that way I am all for putting an animal down humanly. If it means that that animals suffering will end. I was thinking it would look something like we would start breeding horses to be raised for meat and I just can't get down with that.


Horses will never be raised for meat.  Their food intake requirements are too great for the quantity of meat you get, and how long they take to grow large enough to slaughter.  They aren't "efficient" animals to raise for food.

On the other hand, if you already have a horse that you've used for however many years as a show horse, a hobby, or as a working horse, and it comes time to put the animal down because of old age or something wrong with it (maybe physical ailment, not a biological illness) then you have a source of several hundred pounds of meat.  THAT is efficient: taking animals that will be put down (but aren't sick) and using them as a food source.
 
2013-02-25 07:51:54 PM
I always get a piece of bone in the American version.

Pink slime?
 
2013-02-25 07:54:18 PM
Anyone who finds putting Ikea furniture together "overly complicated" has no business touching a hand tool.
 
2013-02-25 07:57:42 PM
StoPPeRmobile

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.

The Italians playing practical jokes ruined it for everyone.
 
2013-02-25 08:12:44 PM

mrmopar5287: On the other hand, if you already have a horse that you've used for however many years as a show horse, a hobby, or as a working horse, and it comes time to put the animal down because of old age or something wrong with it (maybe physical ailment, not a biological illness) then you have a source of several hundred pounds of meat.  THAT is efficient: taking animals that will be put down (but aren't sick) and using them as a food source.


You know what else are efficient food sources? Cats and dogs that are being euthanized at shelters. Also: people.
 
2013-02-25 08:15:10 PM

Jument: mrmopar5287: On the other hand, if you already have a horse that you've used for however many years as a show horse, a hobby, or as a working horse, and it comes time to put the animal down because of old age or something wrong with it (maybe physical ailment, not a biological illness) then you have a source of several hundred pounds of meat.  THAT is efficient: taking animals that will be put down (but aren't sick) and using them as a food source.

You know what else are efficient food sources? Cats and dogs that are being euthanized at shelters. Also: people.


laughingsquid.com
 
2013-02-25 08:26:40 PM

elchupacabra: Get these guys on it:

[images2-focus-opensocial.googleusercontent.com image 497x372]



I think he has horse DNA in his beard.
 
2013-02-25 08:44:55 PM

Tenga: Screw Ikea. They put the company I work for through hell for a year and a half in order to have the HONOR of being a supplier to them. Ended up picking a Turkish company.


Reading between the lines:

The company I worked for desperately wanted to supply Ikea. It failed to meet the standards Ikea demanded.

The schadenfreude, it feels good.

Are you missing the part where horse meat is turning up in the food chain all over Europe? And the fact that food is a sideline business for Ikea, representing a teeny ickle part of the their business?
 
2013-02-25 08:51:27 PM

iron de havilland: Tenga: Screw Ikea. They put the company I work for through hell for a year and a half in order to have the HONOR of being a supplier to them. Ended up picking a Turkish company.

Reading between the lines:

The company I worked for desperately wanted to supply Ikea. It failed to meet the standards Ikea demanded.

The schadenfreude, it feels good.

Are you missing the part where horse meat is turning up in the food chain all over Europe? And the fact that food is a sideline business for Ikea, representing a teeny ickle part of the their business?


Having worked with several IKEA standards, I gotta go with Tenga here.  They sure look nice and professional, but anyone with subject matter knowledge will quickly determine they are contradictory and poorly written.  Just the kind of thing a committee of people who don't know what they're talking about would put together.  IOS-MAT standards can EABOD.
 
2013-02-25 09:16:14 PM
If this keeps on, maybe I can finally get a filly cheese steak.
 
2013-02-25 09:17:53 PM

erewhon: If this keeps on, maybe I can finally get a filly cheese steak.


i'm getting one tomorrow.  this thread has encouraged me!!
 
2013-02-25 09:29:13 PM
Damn you totalfark fuxs....my headline was waaay better.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-25 09:40:16 PM

erewhon: If this keeps on, maybe I can finally get a filly cheese steak.


OH snap! Well done indeed!
slowrespectfulgolfclap.jpg
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-25 09:47:23 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: ReapTheChaos: Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.

The problem with horse meat isn't that some people think it's gross to eat a horse. Unless it was raised specifically for human consumption it's going to contain drugs that are harmful to humans. Everything from antibiotics to steroids are routinely given to most domesticated horses, and most of those medications are not fit for human consumption.

so your saying i could look like ahnold


The problem is you could end up (if you are a dude) with gonads the size of pistachios.
Exogenous hormones in large quantities will destroy the ability for a male to produce testosterone naturally.
Also, there is a precursor call aromatase which can synthesize estrogen from testosterone. As sort of "girly juice" double-down the body can pull.
Too much E in a guy=weight gain, fatigue, bone density loss and a barnyard full of other bad effects.
And this can all come from overloading with exogenous T.
 
2013-02-25 09:55:19 PM
I've eaten meat from lots of different critters. Horses included.

Its actually pretty damned tasty, when prepared correctly.

But the issue here is safety and proper handling/labeling by the distributor. If the only argument you have is "Ewwww, horse!" then the door is over there. Please leave, as the grown-ups are talking.
 
2013-02-25 09:57:47 PM

gja: Jon iz teh kewl: ReapTheChaos: Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.

The problem with horse meat isn't that some people think it's gross to eat a horse. Unless it was raised specifically for human consumption it's going to contain drugs that are harmful to humans. Everything from antibiotics to steroids are routinely given to most domesticated horses, and most of those medications are not fit for human consumption.

so your saying i could look like ahnold

The problem is you could end up (if you are a dude) with gonads the size of pistachios.
Exogenous hormones in large quantities will destroy the ability for a male to produce testosterone naturally.
Also, there is a precursor call aromatase which can synthesize estrogen from testosterone. As sort of "girly juice" double-down the body can pull.
Too much E in a guy=weight gain, fatigue, bone density loss and a barnyard full of other bad effects.
And this can all come from overloading with exogenous T.


hey but at least it will look good,r igth??
 
2013-02-25 10:01:24 PM
Look, with the price of beef so high and going to get a heck of a lot higher, don't be surprised if you find road kill mixed in.

During the last beef shortage I bought hamburger that was cut so heavily with corn fillers that it tasted weedy. Store brand hamburger from a few chain stores must have worked extra hours to pack in all the extra fat that rendered out, shrinking the burger by half. At least one small BBQ place was caught adding in Raccoon and Opossum to their pots of pulled pork and beef.

I bought a couple of brands of those boxed hamburgers and could swear that at least one was cut with sawdust. One more, I suspect, had some other type of meat in it aside from beef.

It was back then that we started realizing that companies would throw nearly anything in their ground beef to stretch it. I bought a roast once and when I cut it up to package it, discovered three distinct red bands -- marks left from the meat being dyed. That means it had been kept past it's expiration date.
Several grocery stores started pulling out of date chickens off the shelves, cutting them in half, dousing them with seasonings, then repacking them for BBQ -- at a higher price. That's when some stores were caught rinsing old fish in bleach water to kill the smell, make them look fresher and putting them back in the case.

You probably didn't notice that a lot of hamburger-in-a-tube, cheaper than most, tended to shrink a lot when cooked, because of all the extra water they pumped into it.

Store butchers used to give away beef bones for soup base. Now they package and sell them.

Plus, there are ways to use rotten pork for sausage, by just adding a common household cleaning powder to the mix, which kills the smell.

It was also the time when stores started including larger fat pads on chunks of meat, usually hidden on the bottom when packaged. They also used to sell the low grade chicken parts cheaply, like the neck, back, gizzards and livers, for soup. Now, the backs and necks are sold to companies for pet food, processed chicken and bullion makers. Livers and gizzards are no longer kept with the whole chicken, but separated out, packed into containers and sold separately.

The wing tips had no real value. You used to buy a bag of wings without the tips. Now, depending on the company, they include the tips. More weight, less eatable product. You'll mainly find them in those Styrofoam trays.

Out came chicken patties, dirt cheap. Breaded. Cook 'em and watch a surprising amount of yellow oil fill the pan. Eat one and try and figure out just what percentage of it is chicken.

Of that small percentage, try and figure out just exactly what part of the chicken it came from. Remember those backs and necks? Well, add in the legs and feet along with the tail.

I suspect a lot of meat products were loaded with bread crumbs, which must have been a boon for the bread companies.
That's also about the time we started adding the brains, spinal cords and assorted glands to the ground meats -- and got in a mess of health problems due to that.

So, don't be surprised if horse meat starts turning up in more and more prepared foods. Over the last 20 years, more and more folks have begun promoting the consumption of horse anyhow. After all, Emu and ostrich meat never did take off very well -- though it might make it's way into your pre-made Lasagna, spaghetti and frozen pizza.

Sometimes I wonder about what happened to all of those enemies of the old Mafia who vanished without a trace. Especially since at least once, an industrial meat grinder was found in a processing plant, jammed with a human ball joint. Most of the rest of the body was found in the catch bin, along with regular meat products. I think it was destined to become pet food or hamburger.

We didn't have DNA testing back then.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-25 10:09:25 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: gja: Jon iz teh kewl: ReapTheChaos: Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.

The problem with horse meat isn't that some people think it's gross to eat a horse. Unless it was raised specifically for human consumption it's going to contain drugs that are harmful to humans. Everything from antibiotics to steroids are routinely given to most domesticated horses, and most of those medications are not fit for human consumption.

so your saying i could look like ahnold

The problem is you could end up (if you are a dude) with gonads the size of pistachios.
Exogenous hormones in large quantities will destroy the ability for a male to produce testosterone naturally.
Also, there is a precursor call aromatase which can synthesize estrogen from testosterone. As sort of "girly juice" double-down the body can pull.
Too much E in a guy=weight gain, fatigue, bone density loss and a barnyard full of other bad effects.
And this can all come from overloading with exogenous T.

hey but at least it will look good,right??


If, by looking good, you mean having breasts that make your friends wanna cop a feel, yup.
Also, after enough time wee willy retires from his :::ahem::: standup routine, so to speak.
But hey, the upside is your skin will be noticeably softer, your prostate will shrink, male pattern baldness will halt and possibly reverse.
Fun all around, once you get past your body changing against your wishes.
 
2013-02-25 10:11:39 PM

gja: Jon iz teh kewl: gja: Jon iz teh kewl: ReapTheChaos: Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.

The problem with horse meat isn't that some people think it's gross to eat a horse. Unless it was raised specifically for human consumption it's going to contain drugs that are harmful to humans. Everything from antibiotics to steroids are routinely given to most domesticated horses, and most of those medications are not fit for human consumption.

so your saying i could look like ahnold

The problem is you could end up (if you are a dude) with gonads the size of pistachios.
Exogenous hormones in large quantities will destroy the ability for a male to produce testosterone naturally.
Also, there is a precursor call aromatase which can synthesize estrogen from testosterone. As sort of "girly juice" double-down the body can pull.
Too much E in a guy=weight gain, fatigue, bone density loss and a barnyard full of other bad effects.
And this can all come from overloading with exogenous T.

hey but at least it will look good,right??

If, by looking good, you mean having breasts that make your friends wanna cop a feel, yup.
Also, after enough time wee willy retires from his :::ahem::: standup routine, so to speak.
But hey, the upside is your skin will be noticeably softer, your prostate will shrink, male pattern baldness will halt and possibly reverse.
Fun all around, once you get past your body changing against your wishes.


look.  if it means i get to partake in DELICIOUS HORSE
I DONT farkING CARE
 
2013-02-25 10:44:09 PM
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2013-02-25 10:57:06 PM

namegoeshere: Ikea sells food?  Does it come with that little wrench?


It comes with a little fork.
 
2013-02-25 11:01:13 PM
Anyone who has ever had an issue assembling anything from IKEA should remove themselves from the gene pool.
 
2013-02-25 11:04:25 PM

Lollipop165: And we've all probably already eaten rat parts if you've ever eaten processed food in my opinion.


I have never eaten processed food in your opinion. Where is it? What country?
 
2013-02-25 11:36:37 PM

Shostie: [i.imgur.com image 400x556]


Thanks, I need a new keyboard now.

/enjoy yer avordable Svedish meatballs!
 
2013-02-26 12:14:06 AM

quatchi: cyberspacedout: I think Ikea is cursed. Tell me it's not a coincidence that all of their products come with hex wrenches.

Some call them hex wrenches...

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:D

/Yup, just getting silly now.


Haha, had me scratching my head until I finally wondered aloud what my comment had to do with Alan Keyes.
 
2013-02-26 02:16:56 AM

Kibbler: Lollipop165: Kibbler: ou don't care that the product you are told you're buying is not the product you were told you were buying?  Seriously?  Because when people stop caring, here come the rat parts, and rat feces, and then it just gets weird.

No I understand that, but people are freaking out like they ate dog shiat. Yeah, its a sale conspiracy but its not going to kill you.

And we've all probably already eaten rat parts if you've ever eaten processed food in my opinion.

...so it's OK?  What is the point?

If you choose to eat rat parts, then, well, I think it's pretty weird, and gross, and probably dangerous, but it's your choice.  If you know that's what you're getting.

Jackpot777:
I've bought things that are, let's say, Beef And Barley Soup. Yet when you look at the ingredients on the label, there's more carrot than barley. They still get to call it Beef And Barley Soup.

They bought beef. They got beef. And some filler. They're just quibbling about the filler, is all.

*speechless*


Don't even bother. It's over. Those of us with a semblance of sanity are an endangered species. By their logic, if the meatballs had baby fetus in it, and it tasted good, and even if it was marked beef, well hey "What's wrong with a little baby fetus?".

The crazy part of me thinks that the internet gets bombarded by spinsters that try to mitigate the problem. I mean, look at Ikea's facebook page. Ikea USA reassuring the public that the USA meatballs don't have horsemeat, yet many commenters simply don't care. How tough would it be to bombard your own facebook page with people downplaying the issue? (or this thread even?)

I guess people nowadays are too stupid to understand what being a "good consumer" is.

I went to the restaurant to get a t-bone steak, but got a pork chop. What's wrong with a pork chop?

I went to the car dealership to get a compact car, but they sold me an F-250. What's wrong with an F-250?

I went to college to study engineering, but they gave me an uncredited massage therapist degree. What's wrong with massage therapy?

/some of you are farking dolts.
 
2013-02-26 03:03:46 AM
^unaccredited.

Would any of you like to pay me today's market price for an ounce of gold, for an ounce of iron pyrite?
 
2013-02-26 03:31:47 AM
Well my friend Bob Sacamano eats horse all the time. He gets it from his butcher.
 
2013-02-26 03:40:24 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: As long as there's no monkey in the meatballs
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But there might be in an Asian KFC.

I've never seen a chicken with a bone as thick as your finger and 12 inches long.
 
2013-02-26 04:53:53 AM

ReapTheChaos: Anyone who finds putting Ikea furniture together "overly complicated" has no business touching a hand tool.


I see you've got this covered but I came here to say about the same.

WTF is wrong with people?

IKEA furniture is cheap and it's easy to assemble.

And I have a bookshelf that's at least 15 years old from IKEA and it's survived about 5 moves There's not a scratch on it.

I like their meatballs too. And I wouldn't mind if there was horse meat in them either but I'd prefer they put it on the label if they did that.

I also heard this story before I I saw it on Fark. No US supplies were affected.

How do you all like the USDA now, biatches?
 
2013-02-26 05:06:28 AM

wildcardjack: Yeah, whats so bad about horse meat? The problem I hear most about is the use of certain veterinary drugs banned in meat for human and that's not just a horse problem.


I think it's a USDA thing.
 
2013-02-26 05:48:40 AM
Frankly I am surprised they found meat in Ikea Meat Balls.... Typically they contain skin, bones, lips, eyes, connective tissue, collagen, testicles, penis, anything but actual meat...
 
2013-02-26 06:34:23 AM
Those poor europeans.  here in the us all we get sold by ikea are weird furniture peices that no one really wants but everyone buys because they are european I guess
 
2013-02-26 01:52:51 PM
Bad Bob like it smoothered in onions, and served blue.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubjIc3qLPds
 
2013-02-26 05:52:13 PM

Lollipop165: Am I the only one who doesn't care that there's horse meat in these foods?

We used to have a butcher that would special order us horse meat in the early 80's in NYC. Northern Italians eat it as do the French. Haven't had it since I was a kid though. I think they actually banned horse meat in NYC.


Not just NYC--there's a general nationwide ban on the slaughter of horses for human consumption (slaughter of mustangs for food prohibited in 1971, and there has been a steady crackdown and closure of slaughterhouses accepting horses for food with the last one in the US closed in 2007--after which a federal ban on the practice was passed), and there's pressure to ban shipping horses overseas for slaughter as well (in my home state of KY, the sentiment is particularly strong because a KY Derby winner (and gelding) WAS rendered into Belmont steaks in Japan a few years back).  In addition, a number of states outright ban the sale of horses if it's thought they might be used for human consumption, and a number of states and localities ban the sale of horse meat under health department regs.

Not only that, but there's also a general ban in place on import of horse meat into the US for personal consumption (not just because of the usual meat import worries re hoof-and-mouth disease or BSE, but because oh my farking God you're eating Secretariat) and for five years USDA inspectors were actually prohibited from inspecting horse meat (thereby making it functionally illegal to sell in the US due to it being potentially adulterated).
 
2013-02-26 06:05:55 PM

trialpha: Wouldn't it be easier to assume at this point that all meat from Europe includes horsemeat?


Yeah, that's what I would think at this rate, LOL :D

That said--it's my understanding part of the concern was that it was sold as beef (and may run afoul of folks who keep kosher or halal), and the bigger concern is that the horse meat may have come from literal Belmont steaks--that is, horses that had been given Bute and Lasix and other pharmaceuticals common in horse racing that could have not-so-good effects on human health.  (Lasix, for one, is in use in human medicine as a diuretic; in horses, it's used as a preventative for respiratory bleeds.  Bute and flunixin are NSAIDs that could be problematic for humans on other NSAIDs (and Bute was actually banned for human use due to a low safety profile); clenbuterol (used as a muscle-building and breathing aid in horses) is similar to albuterol and is used in some human meds for asthma and COPD.  Here's a full list of the drugs considered necessary in racing veterinary medicine in case you're curious.)
 
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