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(Facebook)   The Onion decides that the line between "funny" and "Even Seth MacFarlane thought it wasn't funny" is calling a nine-year-old girl a c*nt   (facebook.com) divider line 30
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2013-02-25 02:01:39 PM
8 votes:
So that little girl gets a free pass for being a c*nt just because she's young?
2013-02-25 02:17:26 PM
5 votes:
Pussy. Drew Barrymore was doing 8-balls at her age
2013-02-25 02:31:57 PM
3 votes:
Boy, I'll bet that 9 year-old was mad when she read the Onion last night.
2013-02-25 02:36:58 PM
2 votes:
Quvenzhané  is my neighbor (true story).  I asked her this morning what she thought about the whole Onion thing and she said "It's f*cking hilarious!  People need to lighten the f*ck up, it was a joke.  Besides, they inferred that I can act like a c*nt, they didn't talk about my c*nt."
2013-02-25 02:25:44 PM
2 votes:

enik: But I'm sure we'll get the President talking about how 'if he had a third daughter she'd look like....


I heard that the President DOES have a seekrit thrid mooslim kenyan daughter.   They are keeping her out of the news because she is a lesbian.
2013-02-25 02:18:41 PM
2 votes:
They were only saying what John McCain was thinking.
2013-02-25 02:12:37 PM
2 votes:
The onion should stand by their comment.  I hope in a few years they have a new story that says "See!!? We told you so!"
2013-02-25 01:26:21 PM
2 votes:
So, I made a little comment there about how this was also satirical and that Steve Hannah is a fake name. Some guy copied and pasted the names from the staff page of The Onion and called me an idiot.
2013-02-25 12:50:10 PM
2 votes:
Taking The Onion's talents for prediction into account, I'm now worried about Wallis's future.
2013-02-25 11:59:46 AM
2 votes:
So if we wait about 9 years, it'll be a-okay then?
2013-02-25 07:02:40 PM
1 votes:
Did anyone else think the apology was a parody?
2013-02-25 06:22:50 PM
1 votes:

quickdraw: shut_it_down: YoungLochinvar: Well, I thought it was so obviously a satirical rip on the rampant (and basically socially acceptable) media misogyny that the intent couldn't possibly be missed... but then I read this thread...

Yeah, I second that.  I thought the outrage was that the use of the c-word was too far when "biatch" may have sufficed.  But it appears that most people think the Onion was actually just insulting her for shock value, which is just not what the Onion does.

No, that's not it at all. It doesn't matter why one writer at The Onion thought it was funny. It was an inappropriate joke using an inappropriate word. And yes some words are more offensive than others.

If the writer had used the N word instead would you still think it was funny? Women don't like the word c*nt for the same reason black people don't the N word, and why Jews don't like anti-Semitic slurs, and why gay people don't like homosexual slurs.

Why is this so hard to understand?


But we all loved it in Django Unchained!


Except Spike Lee.
2013-02-25 05:06:29 PM
1 votes:

quatchi: Trocadero: someonelse: browntimmy: Doesn't bother me, but I also understand people with below average intelligence don't understand context and you have to worry about them when you have a lot of followers. I know someone's going to counter with "But a 9 year old won't understand context" so I'll go ahead and reply, "A 9 year old would also never find this quote unless someone deliberately showed her and likely doesn't understand what that word means anyway."

What is the context that makes it funny?

A nine year old kid who's been in one movie acting like a total, ultra diva, who gets on everyone's nerves. I thought it was mildly funny. Saying "she's kind of a diva" is plausible enough to be true, but calling her a c--t lets everyone know that it's a joke.

Nobody is saying she's acting like an ultra diva though. Just being from the Onion let's everyone know it's a joke. Everyone gets that it's a joke. The only question here are "was the joke funny?" The answer being "not to most people". A lot people are offering competing theories about what the supposed context was that allegedly made this joke funny from the juxtaposition thing (adorable child v. rudest name possible) to  "hyperbolic extension of already rampant media misogyny" making it quite clear that there was no clear context here.

Admit it, it was lame over-the-top joke that fell flat.

They can't all be A material.


Well, I thought it was so obviously a satirical rip on the rampant (and basically socially acceptable) media misogyny that the intent couldn't possibly be missed...      but then I read this thread...
2013-02-25 04:03:45 PM
1 votes:

tboucher: I must hang out with too many Brits.  I thought it was hilarious.

Maybe because every time i hear see you next tuesday I'm reminded of the first time I heard a brit account the story of him visiting the states for the first time in the late 80s and having a big dinner at one of those animatronic animal places.

When he uttered the word saying someone was being a right coont about it, he said the entire place became silent and all the animatronic animals looked at him.

Since hearing that story, That's the first thought that comes to mind.  Rainforest Cafee animals looking at you in shock....so I find the damn thing funny as hell.

/csb


www.one-quest.com
We're whaler's on the moon / We carry a ha- WHAT DID THAT GUY JUST SAY?
2013-02-25 03:57:32 PM
1 votes:
I must hang out with too many Brits.  I thought it was hilarious.

Maybe because every time i hear see you next tuesday I'm reminded of the first time I heard a brit account the story of him visiting the states for the first time in the late 80s and having a big dinner at one of those animatronic animal places.

When he uttered the word saying someone was being a right coont about it, he said the entire place became silent and all the animatronic animals looked at him.

Since hearing that story, That's the first thought that comes to mind.  Rainforest Cafee animals looking at you in shock....so I find the damn thing funny as hell.

/csb
2013-02-25 03:33:41 PM
1 votes:

gilgigamesh: No one is insisting they were really calling her a coont.  People are insisting that it is inappropriate to publicly call her that,


...

In case it wasn't clear, I'm having a very hard time reconciling the "I know they weren't calling her a coont" thought and "They shouldn't have called her a coont" thought. I would say we're dealing with Schrodinger's Coont but I don't feel like issuing an apology right now.

The joke worked, and if people weren't simultaneously blinded by the instinct to protect children and outrage over The C Word, they could easily understand the point of the joke: that Hollywood is filled with people who, for one reason or another, us "regular" folk have no problem calling every name in the book. That tweet just took the tomato-throwing mentality to its logical conclusion, where this purely fictional charactercalls the lest deserving target possible the worst name possible.

That this has to be explained anywhere is a real shame.

This girl--who I guarantee most of the people ripping their hair out over this had never heard of before last night--wasn't singled out for it. It wasn't anything personal. She was just the perfect vessel to deliver the commentary. I suppose you could have used an adult who has a reputation for being an innocent for the joke but a: there aren't that many of them in the industry these days and  b: it wouldn't be as funny as the little girl who is already there!

I don't mean to direct any anger at you,  gilgigamesh. It got away from me. But really...it's just a joke.
2013-02-25 03:16:41 PM
1 votes:

OtherLittleGuy: Fano:
I agree that using that on an inoffensive little girl is like killing a mockingbird.

I was to think of those nights many times. Of Seth, and Ted, and Jennifer Lawrence, and Quvenzhane Wallis, and Argo.

She would be at the Governor's Ball all night, and she would be there when Anne Hathaway waked up in the morning.


There are some websites in this world that are born to do our unpleasant jobs for us. The Onion's one of them.
2013-02-25 03:16:12 PM
1 votes:

Master Passion Greed: Sheez, it may be more plain than the Onion usually is, but I read it as being similar to this, not as an actual insult.


Samantha: Babies are not my scene, and from what I've heard this one sounds like an asshole.
Carrie: You can't call a baby an asshole.
Samantha: Why not? She called it a meatloaf!
2013-02-25 03:06:06 PM
1 votes:
How is it that we recognize the Onion as satire, where exactly  nothingthey write is supposed to be taken literally, and at the same time still insist they were really calling this girl a coont?

That's a pretty weird blind spot.

The tweet was exactly what we should expect from the Onion and, as such, was perfectly fine. Every time a comedian is forced to apologize for a joke an unbaptized bab[redacted].
2013-02-25 02:39:15 PM
1 votes:
www.wordandfilm.com

imma running thru your thread with sparklers
2013-02-25 02:37:11 PM
1 votes:
What if she really is a c*nt?
2013-02-25 02:29:59 PM
1 votes:

quatchi: Lando Lincoln: yanceylebeef: I thought it was funny.

I did too. I guess we're just two crass jerks. Or some other people don't understand that the Onion was not actually calling her a coont but was instead making fun of Seth McFarlane.

[quizzicaldog]

Seth said... "To give you an idea how young she is it'll be 16 years before she's too old for Clooney."

That's a joke.

What the Onion said was not a joke and then went well over the line and just kept going.

You're just making excuses and trying to look edgy hipsters.

"Crass jerks" comes a lot closer to the truth.



Implying a sexual relationship between a 9 year old and a 50 year old is a joke, but calling her an offensive name is over the top.  Got it.
2013-02-25 02:22:43 PM
1 votes:
This kind of humor is tricky.

When it works, it's because what was being said was so outrageous that the audience is in on the joke. The humor is that both parties realize that what was said was ridiculous.

Unfortunately, at 140 characters of text, and given the usual expectations for Twitter, the joke doesn't come across as anything more than a mean insult.  Which means that it fell flat and instead of having a nice little meta-joke about offensive jokes, we just have something that looks like an offensive joke.

Ultimately, I think that it's a case of no real harm done. The Onion took a swing, recognized they had a miss, scrubbed the joke and issued and actually contrite apology.

At this point, the only people who are shouting are a) people who go out of their way to be offended and b) people who think that self-censorship is a traitorous violation of the 1st Amendment. Which is to say, in both cases, a whole bunch of stupid c%nts.
2013-02-25 02:21:22 PM
1 votes:
Personally, calling a kid a coot is so over the top as to be funny to me.  Saying that George Clooney farks girls a few years older than her is just stating a fact, and is more creepy than funny.  But that's just me.
2013-02-25 02:17:33 PM
1 votes:
Number of comments on the TFA that it took for before someone tied this to Obama:  29.
2013-02-25 02:05:16 PM
1 votes:

Diogenes: So that little girl gets a free pass for being a c*nt just because she's young?


Actually, if what I'm reading in my Tumblr feed is representative, it's because she's black and that The Onion would never dream of calling Dakota Fanning the C-word.

/JUST THE MESSENGER HERE
2013-02-25 02:00:49 PM
1 votes:

yanceylebeef: I thought it was funny.


I did too. I guess we're just two crass jerks. Or some other people don't understand that the Onion was not actually calling her a coont but was instead making fun of Seth McFarlane.
2013-02-25 01:55:15 PM
1 votes:
To all the people who are all butthurt over The Onion calling Quvenzhané Wallis a horrible name: You embody The Onion's slogan, "Tu Stultus Es." Or, in English, "You Are Dumb."

Please don't misunderstand...I'm not defending them. What they did was in poor taste, no doubt about it. It crossed the line, for sure. But lest we forget - at its best, satire is supposed to do one thing. And that is: hold a mirror up to society, and show it where its warts are. And in calling the least-offensive person on the red carpet (a charming, poised, adorable, talented, and universally-praised 9-year-old) the MOST offensive word that exists, what The Onion was TRYING to do was to make us think.

How often do we dismiss some celebrities as being "bad people" without even knowing them? I know some people who claim to not be able to stand Anne Hathaway, or Taylor Swift, or who will not see anything Gwyneth Paltrow does, because they say they "hate" them. Many actresses in particular seem to suffer this kind of stigma. We just judge them so easily. Certain public figures just rub us the wrong way, and that's fine...If irrational, and often misguided.

Pointing that out was all The Onion was trying to do. To ask us to consider why we harbor weird prejudices against certain people we don't even know. By calling a beloved young talent by a nasty slur, the goal was the same as if they'd said, "Is it just us, or is Tom Hanks a piece of shiat?"

So, yes...What they did was ill-advised, and designed for maximum shock value. As such, feel free to lambaste them if you must. But for fark's sake...At least do it for the right reasons. Not because you were too thick to comprehend the impetus of their intent.
2013-02-25 01:42:19 PM
1 votes:
"Everyone else seems afraid to say it, but that Quvenzhane Wallis is kind of a c*** horrible name to give a child."

FTFTheOnion.
2013-02-25 12:59:04 PM
1 votes:

CapeFearCadaver: milsorgen: Who cares, words are just words. They only have the power you impart to them and it makes no sense to me to keep making it the BIG BAD of words.

Says the guy who doesn't want to stop treating the people in his life horribly.


But it doesn't count as treating them horribly if he didn't mean it as horrible. You're just being sensitive.

I bet you don't even call your mom a coont when she says she loves you. How disappointing.
 
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