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2013-02-25 11:56:45 AM
From Facebook:

Feb. 25, 2013

Dear Readers,

On behalf of The Onion, I offer my personal apology to Quvenzhané Wallis and the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences for the tweet that was circulated last night during the Oscars. It was crude and offensive-not to mention inconsistent with The Onion's commitment to parody and satire, however biting.
...
No person should be subjected to such a senseless, humorless comment masquerading as satire.

The tweet was taken down within an hour of publication. We have instituted new and tighter Twitter procedures to ensure that this kind of mistake does not occur again.

In addition, we are taking immediate steps to discipline those individuals responsible.

Miss Wallis, you are young and talented and deserve better. All of us at The Onion are deeply sorry.

Sincerely,

Steve Hannah
CEO
The Onion
 
2013-02-25 11:59:46 AM
So if we wait about 9 years, it'll be a-okay then?
 
2013-02-25 12:11:09 PM
Well it's good to have standards.
 
2013-02-25 12:44:31 PM
Who cares, words are just words. They only have the power you impart to them and it makes no sense to me to keep making it the BIG BAD of words.
 
2013-02-25 12:47:33 PM
Why are people expecting tact and restraint from the Onion?
 
2013-02-25 12:48:33 PM
skimmed like 4 articles about this and saw nothing even hinting of an explanation as to what caused someone to think she's a coont. i have to imagine that she said or did something or was in some way coontish for anyone to have mentioned it.

/have no idea who she is; didn't pay attention to the oscars at all.
 
2013-02-25 12:48:57 PM
I thought it was funny.
 
2013-02-25 12:50:10 PM
Taking The Onion's talents for prediction into account, I'm now worried about Wallis's future.
 
2013-02-25 12:50:56 PM

milsorgen: Who cares, words are just words. They only have the power you impart to them and it makes no sense to me to keep making it the BIG BAD of words.


Says the guy who doesn't want to stop treating the people in his life horribly.
 
2013-02-25 12:59:04 PM

CapeFearCadaver: milsorgen: Who cares, words are just words. They only have the power you impart to them and it makes no sense to me to keep making it the BIG BAD of words.

Says the guy who doesn't want to stop treating the people in his life horribly.


But it doesn't count as treating them horribly if he didn't mean it as horrible. You're just being sensitive.

I bet you don't even call your mom a coont when she says she loves you. How disappointing.
 
2013-02-25 01:06:28 PM

the801: skimmed like 4 articles about this and saw nothing even hinting of an explanation as to what caused someone to think she's a coont. i have to imagine that she said or did something or was in some way coontish for anyone to have mentioned it.

/have no idea who she is; didn't pay attention to the oscars at all.


I can kind of understand the joke they were trying to make.  It's right up there with "Mr. Roger's dreams of burying hookers in the desert."

But, they fell flat on their faces this time.  And, that's what happens when you just try too hard.
 
2013-02-25 01:13:30 PM
I love that some people are saying things like "There's an apology, but it's too little, too late."

The tweet went up late Sunday night, came down an hour later, and the apology -- a real one, not "sorry you were offended" -- was online before lunch on Monday.

That's lightning fast.
 
2013-02-25 01:26:21 PM
So, I made a little comment there about how this was also satirical and that Steve Hannah is a fake name. Some guy copied and pasted the names from the staff page of The Onion and called me an idiot.
 
2013-02-25 01:36:33 PM
I can't decide if I thought it was funny or not.
 
2013-02-25 01:37:24 PM

Vodka Zombie: the801: skimmed like 4 articles about this and saw nothing even hinting of an explanation as to what caused someone to think she's a coont. i have to imagine that she said or did something or was in some way coontish for anyone to have mentioned it.

/have no idea who she is; didn't pay attention to the oscars at all.

I can kind of understand the joke they were trying to make.  It's right up there with "Mr. Roger's dreams of burying hookers in the desert."

But, they fell flat on their faces this time.  And, that's what happens when you just try too hard.


The spirit of the joke was funny and typical Onion. The choice of that particular word for a nine year old was wrong.
 
2013-02-25 01:42:19 PM
"Everyone else seems afraid to say it, but that Quvenzhane Wallis is kind of a c*** horrible name to give a child."

FTFTheOnion.
 
2013-02-25 01:44:22 PM

catmandu: Vodka Zombie: the801: skimmed like 4 articles about this and saw nothing even hinting of an explanation as to what caused someone to think she's a coont. i have to imagine that she said or did something or was in some way coontish for anyone to have mentioned it.

/have no idea who she is; didn't pay attention to the oscars at all.

I can kind of understand the joke they were trying to make.  It's right up there with "Mr. Roger's dreams of burying hookers in the desert."

But, they fell flat on their faces this time.  And, that's what happens when you just try too hard.

The spirit of the joke was funny and typical Onion. The choice of that particular word for a nine year old was wrong.


so, biatch or ho?
 
2013-02-25 01:49:51 PM
Alright, who's next? [ image appears ] Oh, it's 9-year old Quvenzhané Wallis.  You think you can beat me?! "Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Wallis?" Also: The Alphabet called; they want theirletters back. Ka-bam!

Jennifer Lawrence, SNL Opening Monologue
 
2013-02-25 01:53:30 PM

SpikeStrip: catmandu: Vodka Zombie: the801: skimmed like 4 articles about this and saw nothing even hinting of an explanation as to what caused someone to think she's a coont. i have to imagine that she said or did something or was in some way coontish for anyone to have mentioned it.

The spirit of the joke was funny and typical Onion. The choice of that particular word for a nine year old was wrong.

so, biatch or ho?


biatch
 
2013-02-25 01:55:15 PM
To all the people who are all butthurt over The Onion calling Quvenzhané Wallis a horrible name: You embody The Onion's slogan, "Tu Stultus Es." Or, in English, "You Are Dumb."

Please don't misunderstand...I'm not defending them. What they did was in poor taste, no doubt about it. It crossed the line, for sure. But lest we forget - at its best, satire is supposed to do one thing. And that is: hold a mirror up to society, and show it where its warts are. And in calling the least-offensive person on the red carpet (a charming, poised, adorable, talented, and universally-praised 9-year-old) the MOST offensive word that exists, what The Onion was TRYING to do was to make us think.

How often do we dismiss some celebrities as being "bad people" without even knowing them? I know some people who claim to not be able to stand Anne Hathaway, or Taylor Swift, or who will not see anything Gwyneth Paltrow does, because they say they "hate" them. Many actresses in particular seem to suffer this kind of stigma. We just judge them so easily. Certain public figures just rub us the wrong way, and that's fine...If irrational, and often misguided.

Pointing that out was all The Onion was trying to do. To ask us to consider why we harbor weird prejudices against certain people we don't even know. By calling a beloved young talent by a nasty slur, the goal was the same as if they'd said, "Is it just us, or is Tom Hanks a piece of shiat?"

So, yes...What they did was ill-advised, and designed for maximum shock value. As such, feel free to lambaste them if you must. But for fark's sake...At least do it for the right reasons. Not because you were too thick to comprehend the impetus of their intent.
 
2013-02-25 01:55:53 PM

Shostie: Why are people expecting tact and restraint from the Onion?


Actually, good satire uses quite a bit of restraint.  The Onion is great because of the line it straddles.
 
2013-02-25 01:57:14 PM
FFS Fark how about linking to something that has the actual offending tweet on it so people don't have to google it themselves?

http://www.heavy.com/regions/2013/02/onion-calls-9-year-old-coont-twe et -oscar-nominee-tweet/

Not cool, Onion.

Seriously, that aint satire by any stretch of anyone's imagination.

That's just farking mean-spirited dreck and you were correct to scrub it off the net and apologize.

Got that much right anyways.
 
2013-02-25 02:00:49 PM

yanceylebeef: I thought it was funny.


I did too. I guess we're just two crass jerks. Or some other people don't understand that the Onion was not actually calling her a coont but was instead making fun of Seth McFarlane.
 
2013-02-25 02:01:39 PM
So that little girl gets a free pass for being a c*nt just because she's young?
 
2013-02-25 02:05:16 PM

Diogenes: So that little girl gets a free pass for being a c*nt just because she's young?


Actually, if what I'm reading in my Tumblr feed is representative, it's because she's black and that The Onion would never dream of calling Dakota Fanning the C-word.

/JUST THE MESSENGER HERE
 
2013-02-25 02:08:30 PM

FishyFred: Diogenes: So that little girl gets a free pass for being a c*nt just because she's young?

The Onion would never dream of calling Dakota Fanning the C-word.


albeit a  legal coont.
 
2013-02-25 02:09:07 PM

FishyFred: Diogenes: So that little girl gets a free pass for being a c*nt just because she's young?

Actually, if what I'm reading in my Tumblr feed is representative, it's because she's black and that The Onion would never dream of calling Dakota Fanning the C-word.

/JUST THE MESSENGER HERE


Oh, I'm sure that has quite a bit to do with it.  I was trying to make light of it in general.
 
2013-02-25 02:09:33 PM

Lando Lincoln: yanceylebeef: I thought it was funny.

I did too. I guess we're just two crass jerks. Or some other people don't understand that the Onion was not actually calling her a coont but was instead making fun of Seth McFarlane.


[quizzicaldog]

Seth said... "To give you an idea how young she is it'll be 16 years before she's too old for Clooney."

That's a joke.

What the Onion said was not a joke and then went well over the line and just kept going.

You're just making excuses and trying to look edgy hipsters.

"Crass jerks" comes a lot closer to the truth.
 
2013-02-25 02:10:14 PM
Children should be at least 10 before tossed into the Hollywood 'meat grinder'.

She shouldn't be subjected to that sort of language and name calling, not in Hollywood.  Nope.

Should that sort of thing be encouraged?  No.  Yet, I've no doubt that she's already been subjected to much worse.
 
2013-02-25 02:10:33 PM
I thought it was funny. Its satire, and it was making fun of Hollywood and the entertainment industry, not the girl.
 
2013-02-25 02:12:37 PM
The onion should stand by their comment.  I hope in a few years they have a new story that says "See!!? We told you so!"
 
2013-02-25 02:15:00 PM

Diogenes: Alright, who's next? [ image appears ] Oh, it's 9-year old Quvenzhané Wallis.  You think you can beat me?! "Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Wallis?" Also: The Alphabet called; they want theirletters back. Ka-bam!

Jennifer Lawrence, SNL Opening Monologue


You're forgetting that nobody watches SNL.
 
2013-02-25 02:17:23 PM
quatchi:

Seth said... "To give you an idea how young she is it'll be 16 years before she's too old for Clooney."

That's a joke.


You're drawing a pretty fine line there.  What some people find funny, others may not.
 
2013-02-25 02:17:26 PM
Pussy. Drew Barrymore was doing 8-balls at her age
 
2013-02-25 02:17:33 PM
Number of comments on the TFA that it took for before someone tied this to Obama:  29.
 
2013-02-25 02:17:42 PM

vernonFL: I thought it was funny. Its satire, and it was making fun of Hollywood and the entertainment industry, not the girl.


I get it, and I understood it to be exactly this. Or at least, that was their intent.

That said... they stepped waaaaaayyyy over a line here. Then they realized it. Then they apologized.

The end.
 
2013-02-25 02:18:41 PM
They were only saying what John McCain was thinking.
 
2013-02-25 02:20:33 PM
Meh, it's just parodying the essence of the nasty film industry. But I'm sure we'll get the President talking about how 'if he had a third daughter she'd look like....' Americans are still racist...., etc. etc. ad infinitum. reductio ad absurdum.
 
2013-02-25 02:21:03 PM

vernonFL: I thought it was funny. Its satire, and it was making fun of Hollywood and the entertainment industry, not the girl.


All by itself, without context, it's offensive.  Satire requires context.
 
2013-02-25 02:21:04 PM

Diogenes: So that little girl gets a free pass for being a c*nt just because she's young?


I've got dibs on the 2023 headline followup: "The Onion was right".
 
2013-02-25 02:21:08 PM

Donnchadha: Diogenes: Alright, who's next? [ image appears ] Oh, it's 9-year old Quvenzhané Wallis.  You think you can beat me?! "Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Wallis?" Also: The Alphabet called; they want theirletters back. Ka-bam!

Jennifer Lawrence, SNL Opening Monologue

You're forgetting that nobody watches SNL.


That's why I quoted instead of merely mentioning ;-)

But to be serious for a second, the whole monologue was about her "I beat Meryl" comment at the Golden Globes.  She took shots at all her Oscar challengers, but punctuated each with a nice compliment.

Extreme contrast and misdirection are common tools in a humorist's shed.  Whoever posted that used a risky medium in which to employ extreme contrast.  Twitter gives you no room to provide a context, or followup/correction (for when a joke goes wrong).
 
2013-02-25 02:21:22 PM
Personally, calling a kid a coot is so over the top as to be funny to me.  Saying that George Clooney farks girls a few years older than her is just stating a fact, and is more creepy than funny.  But that's just me.
 
2013-02-25 02:21:53 PM

the801: skimmed like 4 articles about this and saw nothing even hinting of an explanation as to what caused someone to think she's a coont. i have to imagine that she said or did something or was in some way coontish for anyone to have mentioned it.

/have no idea who she is; didn't pay attention to the oscars at all.


Is this post satire too?

I mean, if not, this analysis thoroughly and completely misses the point of the "joke".

No, she didn't do anything "coontish".  She did absolutely nothing that wasn't adorable and 9-year-old-child-like ... which is the very punchline of the joke.
 
2013-02-25 02:22:04 PM
So, is the Oscars no longer a Hollywood self congratulatory wank fest, and now just a contest for journalists to say "I got butthurt by this!"

Journalist 2: "Well, I got MORE butthurt by that!"

Journalist 3: "No, I got the MOST butthurt by that!"

Seriously, we now live in a world where THE ONION is issuing apologies.
 
2013-02-25 02:22:43 PM
This kind of humor is tricky.

When it works, it's because what was being said was so outrageous that the audience is in on the joke. The humor is that both parties realize that what was said was ridiculous.

Unfortunately, at 140 characters of text, and given the usual expectations for Twitter, the joke doesn't come across as anything more than a mean insult.  Which means that it fell flat and instead of having a nice little meta-joke about offensive jokes, we just have something that looks like an offensive joke.

Ultimately, I think that it's a case of no real harm done. The Onion took a swing, recognized they had a miss, scrubbed the joke and issued and actually contrite apology.

At this point, the only people who are shouting are a) people who go out of their way to be offended and b) people who think that self-censorship is a traitorous violation of the 1st Amendment. Which is to say, in both cases, a whole bunch of stupid c%nts.
 
2013-02-25 02:23:34 PM
I do believe this is the first rescinding the Onion's done since the time they took down that article about bear rape.
 
2013-02-25 02:23:37 PM
I guess the closest historic precedent to this is when they called Shirley Temple Curly Top.
 
2013-02-25 02:24:10 PM

milsorgen: Who cares, words are just words. They only have the power you impart to them and it makes no sense to me to keep making it the BIG BAD of words.


You should go read the "tard" thread on the Main tab.
 
2013-02-25 02:25:44 PM

enik: But I'm sure we'll get the President talking about how 'if he had a third daughter she'd look like....


I heard that the President DOES have a seekrit thrid mooslim kenyan daughter.   They are keeping her out of the news because she is a lesbian.
 
2013-02-25 02:26:12 PM
I'm pretty humourless on a Monday so I can't offer an opinion.
Even my own loud flatulence isn't making me smile today.
 
2013-02-25 02:27:16 PM

quatchi: Lando Lincoln: yanceylebeef: I thought it was funny.

I did too. I guess we're just two crass jerks. Or some other people don't understand that the Onion was not actually calling her a coont but was instead making fun of Seth McFarlane.

[quizzicaldog]

Seth said... "To give you an idea how young she is it'll be 16 years before she's too old for Clooney."

That's a joke.

What the Onion said was not a joke and then went well over the line and just kept going.

You're just making excuses and trying to look edgy hipsters.

"Crass jerks" comes a lot closer to the truth.


You're just being an offended hipster.
 
2013-02-25 02:28:52 PM
Yeah words have power if you let them but I am so glad some words are so super powered. Words are not just words some words are awesome motherfarking cocksuckers.
 
2013-02-25 02:29:13 PM
Didn't MacFarlane tease the same joke about Anne Hathaway in the closing?

/she's a...dorable
 
2013-02-25 02:29:59 PM

quatchi: Lando Lincoln: yanceylebeef: I thought it was funny.

I did too. I guess we're just two crass jerks. Or some other people don't understand that the Onion was not actually calling her a coont but was instead making fun of Seth McFarlane.

[quizzicaldog]

Seth said... "To give you an idea how young she is it'll be 16 years before she's too old for Clooney."

That's a joke.

What the Onion said was not a joke and then went well over the line and just kept going.

You're just making excuses and trying to look edgy hipsters.

"Crass jerks" comes a lot closer to the truth.



Implying a sexual relationship between a 9 year old and a 50 year old is a joke, but calling her an offensive name is over the top.  Got it.
 
2013-02-25 02:30:05 PM
Yah words have power if you let them but I am so glad some words are so super powered. Words are not just words some words are awesome motherfarking cocksuckers.
 
2013-02-25 02:30:37 PM

MNguy: quatchi:

Seth said... "To give you an idea how young she is it'll be 16 years before she's too old for Clooney."

That's a joke.

You're drawing a pretty fine line there.  What some people find funny, others may not.


I realize this. Humour is a very subjective thing. That noted, calling a 9 year old a coont goes beyond the pale.

And anyone arguing that it was a joke a Seth's expense is basically an idiot.

Even Seth's joke about her was at Clooney's expense not hers.

Although whether it was a burn or a compliment to Clooney's ability to get younger women into his bed is debatable.
 
2013-02-25 02:30:46 PM
they felt its not the humor they try to represent.  why's it a big deal if they appologize?  And about the line, directly making fun of a 9 year old is bad (I don't even think honey boo boo jokes are that funny), but making fun of clooney using a 9 year old indirectly is funny.
 
2013-02-25 02:30:58 PM

catmandu: Vodka Zombie: the801: skimmed like 4 articles about this and saw nothing even hinting of an explanation as to what caused someone to think she's a coont. i have to imagine that she said or did something or was in some way coontish for anyone to have mentioned it.

/have no idea who she is; didn't pay attention to the oscars at all.

I can kind of understand the joke they were trying to make.  It's right up there with "Mr. Roger's dreams of burying hookers in the desert."

But, they fell flat on their faces this time.  And, that's what happens when you just try too hard.

The spirit of the joke was funny and typical Onion. The choice of that particular word for a nine year old was wrong.


this, it's funny if there is an interview with an actress that is actually being catty or even a coont which is then followed up by the 9 year old.  i.e. she's the youngest ever nominee so she's going to have an attitude about it.

But as a non contextual tweet it's just kind of dumb.
 
2013-02-25 02:31:45 PM

MNguy: quatchi:

Seth said... "To give you an idea how young she is it'll be 16 years before she's too old for Clooney."

That's a joke.

You're drawing a pretty fine line there.  What some people find funny, others may not.


One is making fun of a grown man, the other is making fun of a 9-year old.
 
2013-02-25 02:31:57 PM
Boy, I'll bet that 9 year-old was mad when she read the Onion last night.
 
2013-02-25 02:32:34 PM

FishyFred: I love that some people are saying things like "There's an apology, but it's too little, too late."

The tweet went up late Sunday night, came down an hour later, and the apology -- a real one, not "sorry you were offended" -- was online before lunch on Monday.

That's lightning fast.


"Yeah, but I only read about it today and by then I was mortified. Later in the article I read that an apology had been issued but I'd already read about this horrible derogatory comment so the damage had been done."

I believe that is the way of thinking those people have. It's totally illogical but they were late to the party so they have to verse their opinion while it still feels as though it matters.
 
2013-02-25 02:34:21 PM

G Love: quatchi: Lando Lincoln: yanceylebeef: I thought it was funny.

I did too. I guess we're just two crass jerks. Or some other people don't understand that the Onion was not actually calling her a coont but was instead making fun of Seth McFarlane.

[quizzicaldog]

Seth said... "To give you an idea how young she is it'll be 16 years before she's too old for Clooney."

That's a joke.

What the Onion said was not a joke and then went well over the line and just kept going.

You're just making excuses and trying to look edgy hipsters.

"Crass jerks" comes a lot closer to the truth.


Implying a sexual relationship between a 9 year old and a 50 year old is a joke, but calling her an offensive name is over the top.  Got it.


Seth's joke was that at 25 she would be too old for him to date.

 Not that Clooney wanted to fark 9 year olds.

L2Read.
 
2013-02-25 02:34:56 PM

G Love: Implying a sexual relationship between a 9 year old and a 50 year old is a joke, but calling her an offensive name is over the top. Got it.


You don't know how to add, do you? 9+16 = 25 which is well over the age of consent.  Clooney has 7 years to legally be with his ladies before they're too old.
 
2013-02-25 02:36:58 PM
Quvenzhané  is my neighbor (true story).  I asked her this morning what she thought about the whole Onion thing and she said "It's f*cking hilarious!  People need to lighten the f*ck up, it was a joke.  Besides, they inferred that I can act like a c*nt, they didn't talk about my c*nt."
 
2013-02-25 02:37:10 PM

quatchi: Lando Lincoln: yanceylebeef: I thought it was funny.

I did too. I guess we're just two crass jerks. Or some other people don't understand that the Onion was not actually calling her a coont but was instead making fun of Seth McFarlane.

[quizzicaldog]

Seth said... "To give you an idea how young she is it'll be 16 years before she's too old for Clooney."

That's a joke.

What the Onion said was not a joke and then went well over the line and just kept going.

You're just making excuses and trying to look edgy hipsters.

"Crass jerks" comes a lot closer to the truth.


LIghten up, Francis. It was a joke on the internet. It was funny.
And Crass Jerks sounds like a Japanese High School Masturbation movie.
 
2013-02-25 02:37:11 PM
What if she really is a c*nt?
 
2013-02-25 02:39:15 PM
www.wordandfilm.com

imma running thru your thread with sparklers
 
2013-02-25 02:40:21 PM
Who?
 
2013-02-25 02:42:21 PM

you are a puppet: You're just being an offended hipster.


Because saying that calling a 9 year old (who everybody already knew was gonna lose that night) a coont isn't funny is hip and edgy?

Are Onions on the belt coming back too?
 
2013-02-25 02:42:57 PM
Lesson One:  IRONY.
 
2013-02-25 02:44:03 PM

fruitloop: Didn't MacFarlane tease the same joke about Anne Hathaway in the closing?

/she's a...dorable


I thought this was what the whole controversy was about.

If he was able to change the lyrics on the fly.... major South Park "Quintuples 2000"/"Christmas in Canada" kudos.
 
2013-02-25 02:44:17 PM

yanceylebeef: LIghten up, Francis. It was a joke on the internet. It was funny.


There we're gonna have to agree to disagree.

And Crass Jerks sounds like a Japanese High School Masturbation movie.

Okay *that* was funny.
 
2013-02-25 02:45:40 PM

Vodka Zombie: the801: skimmed like 4 articles about this and saw nothing even hinting of an explanation as to what caused someone to think she's a coont. i have to imagine that she said or did something or was in some way coontish for anyone to have mentioned it.

/have no idea who she is; didn't pay attention to the oscars at all.

I can kind of understand the joke they were trying to make.  It's right up there with "Mr. Roger's dreams of burying hookers in the desert."

But, they fell flat on their faces this time.  And, that's what happens when you just try too hard.


Yeah, or "Neil Diamond murders hobo just to get a hard on."

I agree that using that on an inoffensive little girl is like killing a mockingbird.
 
2013-02-25 02:46:09 PM

FarkedOver: What if she really is a c*nt?


C*nts generally have warmth and depth, being from Hollywood, she probably has neither.
 
2013-02-25 02:46:18 PM
I seriously have no idea who this person is.

/Yes, I own a TV.
 
2013-02-25 02:48:48 PM

Gosling: I do believe this is the first rescinding the Onion's done since the time they took down that article about bear rape.


Was that the one that used the phrase " boiling rancid bear semen "?

That was one of the first onion articles I read. What a booboo to remove it.
 
2013-02-25 02:49:26 PM
Anyone who thinks that 9 year old girls can't be c*nts never had a daughter who was excluded from a sleepover or bullied by the "cool kids."

lighten up already
 
2013-02-25 02:50:01 PM
The bigger question is how Beasts of the Southern Wild got nominated.  I watched it last night, and it wasn't all that great.  it was alright, but it's been done before, and better.  It reminded me of a mix of Big Fish and In America.

\would have given it best score, though
 
2013-02-25 02:51:26 PM

12349876: G Love: Implying a sexual relationship between a 9 year old and a 50 year old is a joke, but calling her an offensive name is over the top. Got it.

You don't know how to add, do you? 9+16 = 25 which is well over the age of consent.  Clooney has 7 years to legally be with his ladies before they're too old.


There was no adding involved.
 
2013-02-25 02:51:34 PM
They're not firing someone for using the c-bomb to talk about a 9-year-old...they're firing someone because "using a bad word" is not the same as "being funny."
 
2013-02-25 02:52:22 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: The bigger question is how Beasts of the Southern Wild got nominated.  I watched it last night, and it wasn't all that great.  it was alright, but it's been done before, and better.  It reminded me of a mix of Big Fish and In America.

\would have given it best score, though


I felt the same about Silver Linings Playbook.  While I thoroughly enjoyed it, I don't see why any of it was Oscar-worthy.  It was just a solid movie with solid actors.
 
2013-02-25 02:53:22 PM

quatchi: G Love: quatchi: Lando Lincoln: yanceylebeef: I thought it was funny.

I did too. I guess we're just two crass jerks. Or some other people don't understand that the Onion was not actually calling her a coont but was instead making fun of Seth McFarlane.

[quizzicaldog]

Seth said... "To give you an idea how young she is it'll be 16 years before she's too old for Clooney."

That's a joke.

What the Onion said was not a joke and then went well over the line and just kept going.

You're just making excuses and trying to look edgy hipsters.

"Crass jerks" comes a lot closer to the truth.


Implying a sexual relationship between a 9 year old and a 50 year old is a joke, but calling her an offensive name is over the top.  Got it.

Seth's joke was that at 25 she would be too old for him to date.

 Not that Clooney wanted to fark 9 year olds.

L2Read.



The joke relies, at least in part, on the shock of someone who is currently 9 sleeping with someone who is currently 50.  Regardless of when that relationship occurs.  Otherwise you make the joke about Jennifer Lawrence instead.
 
2013-02-25 02:53:52 PM

Diogenes: whizbangthedirtfarmer: The bigger question is how Beasts of the Southern Wild got nominated.  I watched it last night, and it wasn't all that great.  it was alright, but it's been done before, and better.  It reminded me of a mix of Big Fish and In America.

\would have given it best score, though

I felt the same about Silver Linings Playbook.  While I thoroughly enjoyed it, I don't see why any of it was Oscar-worthy.  It was just a solid movie with solid actors.


Yep, and a lot of reviews say things like "although the first twenty minutes are not great ..."  well, how in the hell did a movie with a full quarter of its running time not being good end up being a "great" film???  It's as if we're rating sci-fi now.

\almost stopped it at the 18 minute mark
 
2013-02-25 02:54:41 PM

G Love: The joke relies, at least in part, on the shock of someone who is currently 9 sleeping with someone who is currently 50.


Doubling down on dumb?

Bold move.
 
2013-02-25 02:56:30 PM
Jesus Christ, between this and the 'retard' thread people sure are getting worked up over words today.

Here's an idea, don't tell the 9 year old someone called her a coont.  I doubt she reads The Onion.
 
2013-02-25 02:59:14 PM

G Love: quatchi: G Love: quatchi: Lando Lincoln: yanceylebeef: I thought it was funny.

I did too. I guess we're just two crass jerks. Or some other people don't understand that the Onion was not actually calling her a coont but was instead making fun of Seth McFarlane.

[quizzicaldog]

Seth said... "To give you an idea how young she is it'll be 16 years before she's too old for Clooney."

That's a joke.

What the Onion said was not a joke and then went well over the line and just kept going.

You're just making excuses and trying to look edgy hipsters.

"Crass jerks" comes a lot closer to the truth.


Implying a sexual relationship between a 9 year old and a 50 year old is a joke, but calling her an offensive name is over the top.  Got it.

Seth's joke was that at 25 she would be too old for him to date.

 Not that Clooney wanted to fark 9 year olds.

L2Read.


The joke relies, at least in part, on the shock of someone who is currently 9 sleeping with someone who is currently 50.  Regardless of when that relationship occurs.  Otherwise you make the joke about Jennifer Lawrence instead.


jesus fark. no it doesn't.  Derpy purple added.
 
2013-02-25 02:59:44 PM
So the most obvious point of the Onion's joke was that the humor lay in just how horrible calling a 9 year old the c-word is, also alluding to the absurdity of a 9-year old being made publicly available for such a level of scrutiny in the first place.

I get that people are upset, but I'm only seeing a lot of "You can't call a 9 year old girl a c-word it's crossing a line"  What line, and why exactly is  that too far?

Is this just one of those times when all the people who don't know what The Onion is and have no sense of humor get incidentally alerted to its existence?
 
2013-02-25 03:00:06 PM
It depends on her poltical affiliations if it is funny or not.
 
2013-02-25 03:01:08 PM
Sheez, it may be more plain than the Onion usually is, but I read it as being similar to this, not as an actual insult.
 
2013-02-25 03:01:54 PM

FraggleStickCar: So the most obvious point of the Onion's joke was that the humor lay in just how horrible calling a 9 year old the c-word is, also alluding to the absurdity of a 9-year old being made publicly available for such a level of scrutiny in the first place.

I get that people are upset, but I'm only seeing a lot of "You can't call a 9 year old girl a c-word it's crossing a line"  What line, and why exactly is  that too far?

Is this just one of those times when all the people who don't know what The Onion is and have no sense of humor get incidentally alerted to its existence?


I think Monday's a slow day at every job, even at the outrage manufacturing plants.
 
2013-02-25 03:04:06 PM

Fano: Gosling: I do believe this is the first rescinding the Onion's done since the time they took down that article about bear rape.

Was that the one that used the phrase " boiling rancid bear semen "?

That was one of the first onion articles I read. What a booboo to remove it.


Agreed. Bear rape can be funny given the proper context.

Case in point... there's a fake Ted Nugent newspaper article I like to post in Ted threads in which Ted accidentally douses himself with female bear urine and ends up getting mauled to death by a bear but not before being horribly raped by said bear and giving it a beej.

I'd link to it but photobucket is down.

Context is key in humor and the 140 character parameter of Twitter provides little room for it.
 
2013-02-25 03:05:30 PM

Diogenes: So that little girl gets a free pass for being a c*nt just because she's young?


Yes. It's that simple.
 
2013-02-25 03:06:06 PM
How is it that we recognize the Onion as satire, where exactly  nothingthey write is supposed to be taken literally, and at the same time still insist they were really calling this girl a coont?

That's a pretty weird blind spot.

The tweet was exactly what we should expect from the Onion and, as such, was perfectly fine. Every time a comedian is forced to apologize for a joke an unbaptized bab[redacted].
 
2013-02-25 03:07:33 PM

olapbill: G Love: quatchi: G Love: quatchi: Lando Lincoln: yanceylebeef: I thought it was funny.

I did too. I guess we're just two crass jerks. Or some other people don't understand that the Onion was not actually calling her a coont but was instead making fun of Seth McFarlane.

[quizzicaldog]

Seth said... "To give you an idea how young she is it'll be 16 years before she's too old for Clooney."

That's a joke.

What the Onion said was not a joke and then went well over the line and just kept going.

You're just making excuses and trying to look edgy hipsters.

"Crass jerks" comes a lot closer to the truth.


Implying a sexual relationship between a 9 year old and a 50 year old is a joke, but calling her an offensive name is over the top.  Got it.

Seth's joke was that at 25 she would be too old for him to date.

 Not that Clooney wanted to fark 9 year olds.

L2Read.


The joke relies, at least in part, on the shock of someone who is currently 9 sleeping with someone who is currently 50.  Regardless of when that relationship occurs.  Otherwise you make the joke about Jennifer Lawrence instead.

jesus fark. no it doesn't.  Derpy purple added.


Well... yes it does.  Maybe not sleeping with her NOW, but otherwise, yeah.  It does.  The only qualifier is that at 25 she'd be too old.
 
2013-02-25 03:07:42 PM

Fano:
I agree that using that on an inoffensive little girl is like killing a mockingbird.


I was to think of those nights many times. Of Seth, and Ted, and Jennifer Lawrence, and Quvenzhane Wallis, and Argo.

She would be at the Governor's Ball all night, and she would be there when Anne Hathaway waked up in the morning.
 
2013-02-25 03:08:14 PM
I understand the joke in the context of most of The Onion's humor.

They're predicting the future. They're saying, this is the way things are headed. They act out what it would be like if things were just a bit more terrible than they already will be.

The joke is, this Tweet is just a slight exaggeration of awful, sincere Tweets, and the intended reaction was that people would recognize the truth of that observation.
 
2013-02-25 03:11:53 PM

The Great EZE: How is it that we recognize the Onion as satire, where exactly  nothingthey write is supposed to be taken literally, and at the same time still insist they were really calling this girl a coont?

That's a pretty weird blind spot.

The tweet was exactly what we should expect from the Onion and, as such, was perfectly fine. Every time a comedian is forced to apologize for a joke an unbaptized bab[redacted].


No one is insisting they were really calling her a coont.  People are insisting that it is inappropriate to publicly call her that, probably because it could get back to her.

This isn't a rude joke made at a poker game.  The kid is probably also on Twitter, so she could very well find out about the comment.  Then her parents would have to explain to a 9 year old some tough realities about life as a celebrity.
 
2013-02-25 03:12:03 PM

G Love: 12349876: G Love: Implying a sexual relationship between a 9 year old and a 50 year old is a joke, but calling her an offensive name is over the top. Got it.

You don't know how to add, do you? 9+16 = 25 which is well over the age of consent.  Clooney has 7 years to legally be with his ladies before they're too old.

There was no adding involved.


Have fun in your denial bubble.
 
2013-02-25 03:14:37 PM
I get what they were going for:  "It's funny because it's not true", with a generous dose of "Shocking!" for flavour.  But you can't hit a kid with that.  Glad they apologized.
 
2013-02-25 03:15:28 PM

MaxxLarge: And in calling the least-offensive person on the red carpet (a charming, poised, adorable, talented, and universally-praised 9-year-old) the MOST offensive word that exists,


Republican?
 
2013-02-25 03:16:41 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Fano:
I agree that using that on an inoffensive little girl is like killing a mockingbird.

I was to think of those nights many times. Of Seth, and Ted, and Jennifer Lawrence, and Quvenzhane Wallis, and Argo.

She would be at the Governor's Ball all night, and she would be there when Anne Hathaway waked up in the morning.


There are some websites in this world that are born to do our unpleasant jobs for us. The Onion's one of them.
 
2013-02-25 03:18:43 PM
Jim Jeffries unavailable for comment.
 
2013-02-25 03:20:42 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Pussy. Drew Barrymore was doing 8-balls at her age


Is that like 4 dudes?
 
2013-02-25 03:22:10 PM

FraggleStickCar: So the most obvious point of the Onion's joke was that the humor lay in just how horrible calling a 9 year old the c-word is, also alluding to the absurdity of a 9-year old being made publicly available for such a level of scrutiny in the first place.

I get that people are upset, but I'm only seeing a lot of "You can't call a 9 year old girl a c-word it's crossing a line"  What line, and why exactly is  that too far?

Is this just one of those times when all the people who don't know what The Onion is and have no sense of humor get incidentally alerted to its existence?


Using an overtly sexual anatomy slur in reference to a nine year old is crossing the line. Say anything about her actions, attitude, whatever but calling a child a c**t or a d**k before those body parts have matured (and become close to legal to use) is the line.
 
2013-02-25 03:26:34 PM
i simply understood it as the little girl has been pretty much universally adored and regaled, and they just kind of went 180 with it. heavenly praise responded to with a luciferian forked tongue in cheek.

maybe more about the cult of adoration than her, but i don't think you can separate the symbol from whence and whither it's made.

verdict: good on them for apologizing.
 
2013-02-25 03:27:54 PM

taxandspend: Master Passion Greed: Sheez, it may be more plain than the Onion usually is, but I read it as being similar to this, not as an actual insult.

Samantha: Babies are not my scene, and from what I've heard this one sounds like an asshole.
Carrie: You can't call a baby an asshole.
Samantha: Why not? She called it a meatloaf!


24.media.tumblr.com
In all fairness, babies can be pretty cool too.
 
2013-02-25 03:30:48 PM
Doesn't bother me, but I also understand people with below average intelligence don't understand context and you have to worry about them when you have a lot of followers. I know someone's going to counter with "But a 9 year old won't understand context" so I'll go ahead and reply, "A 9 year old would also never find this quote unless someone deliberately showed her and likely doesn't understand what that word means anyway."
 
2013-02-25 03:33:41 PM

gilgigamesh: No one is insisting they were really calling her a coont.  People are insisting that it is inappropriate to publicly call her that,


...

In case it wasn't clear, I'm having a very hard time reconciling the "I know they weren't calling her a coont" thought and "They shouldn't have called her a coont" thought. I would say we're dealing with Schrodinger's Coont but I don't feel like issuing an apology right now.

The joke worked, and if people weren't simultaneously blinded by the instinct to protect children and outrage over The C Word, they could easily understand the point of the joke: that Hollywood is filled with people who, for one reason or another, us "regular" folk have no problem calling every name in the book. That tweet just took the tomato-throwing mentality to its logical conclusion, where this purely fictional charactercalls the lest deserving target possible the worst name possible.

That this has to be explained anywhere is a real shame.

This girl--who I guarantee most of the people ripping their hair out over this had never heard of before last night--wasn't singled out for it. It wasn't anything personal. She was just the perfect vessel to deliver the commentary. I suppose you could have used an adult who has a reputation for being an innocent for the joke but a: there aren't that many of them in the industry these days and  b: it wouldn't be as funny as the little girl who is already there!

I don't mean to direct any anger at you,  gilgigamesh. It got away from me. But really...it's just a joke.
 
2013-02-25 03:36:25 PM
see you next tuesday
 
2013-02-25 03:36:42 PM

Diogenes: So that little girl gets a free pass for being a c*nt just because she's young?


I love Fark so much somedays.
 
2013-02-25 03:39:14 PM
It was funny.

But it is in poor taste to tell your Aristocrats/dead baby joke within earshot of your grandparents.
 
2013-02-25 03:39:35 PM

the801: skimmed like 4 articles about this and saw nothing even hinting of an explanation as to what caused someone to think she's a coont. i have to imagine that she said or did something or was in some way coontish for anyone to have mentioned it.

/have no idea who she is; didn't pay attention to the oscars at all.


I just figured it's a riff on the way we're supposed to "hate" all successful young women. It's just taken to the extreme with the language and the very young-ness of the actress in question. This morning, I saw several things written about how hard it is to "hate" Jennifer Lawrence. I just kept thinking, "Why do you feel the need to try?"

That said, I am glad the Onion took it down and apologized because little kids don't have the ability to filter that kind of thing out.
 
2013-02-25 03:40:27 PM

Timmy the Tumor: Quvenzhané  is my neighbor (true story).  I asked her this morning what she thought about the whole Onion thing and she said "It's f*cking hilarious!  People need to lighten the f*ck up, it was a joke.  Besides, they inferred that I can act like a c*nt, they didn't talk about my c*nt."


-3/10
 
2013-02-25 03:42:26 PM
The seth macfarlane joke and the onion joke seem in poor humor to me for the same reason-- they sexualize a nine year old. I don't care if they're trying to make fun of Clooney... she's nine.
 
2013-02-25 03:44:25 PM

D135: It was funny.

But it is in poor taste to tell your Aristocrats/dead baby joke within earshot of your grandparents.


Hey, some of us have grandparents who would not only not bat an eye, but proceed to tell their own.
 
2013-02-25 03:44:27 PM
catmandu:

Using an overtly sexual anatomy slur in reference to a nine year old is crossing the line. Say anything about her actions, attitude, whatever but calling a child a c**t or a d**k before those body parts have matured (and become close to legal to use) is the line.

What the fark?
 
2013-02-25 03:47:05 PM

Qellaqan: The seth macfarlane joke and the onion joke seem in poor humor to me for the same reason-- they sexualize a nine year old. I don't care if they're trying to make fun of Clooney... she's nine.


What if I called her a little farking brat?  Over the line?
 
2013-02-25 03:48:13 PM

FraggleStickCar: Is this just one of those times when all the people who don't know what The Onion is and have no sense of humor get incidentally alerted to its existence?


Basically. Their Facebook page is full of people who obviously just heard of The Onion and think they were serious who then bring up Dakota Fanning. It's an enormous amount of butthurt to the point that a search for Wallis's name now brings up more results of The Onion's tweet than anything involving the actual Oscars.

The Tumblr Rage Machine is well-gassed, for the next day at least.
 
2013-02-25 03:49:10 PM

catmandu: Using an overtly sexual anatomy slur in reference to a nine year old is crossing the line. Say anything about her actions, attitude, whatever but calling a child a c**t or a d**k before those body parts have matured (and become close to legal to use) is the line.


Well now you just sound creepy.
 
2013-02-25 03:49:55 PM

FishyFred: Diogenes: So that little girl gets a free pass for being a c*nt just because she's young?

Actually, if what I'm reading in my Tumblr feed is representative, it's because she's black and that The Onion would never dream of calling Dakota Fanning the C-word.

/JUST THE MESSENGER HERE


I remember Kathy Griffin taking some heat for joking about Dakota Fanning being in rehab. IIRC, this was when War of the World because I recall Spielberg releasing a statement that Kathy Griffin was being blacklisted by Dreamworks. At the time, she was younger than Drew Barrymore when she was in rehab, which is why I'm guessing Spielbergo got so pissed off about it.
 
2013-02-25 03:49:55 PM
The Onion apologized for a joke? Fark that, you never apologize for a joke. The only time you apologize for a joke is in front of a live audience who can physically hurt you.
 
2013-02-25 03:51:44 PM

MNguy: Qellaqan: The seth macfarlane joke and the onion joke seem in poor humor to me for the same reason-- they sexualize a nine year old. I don't care if they're trying to make fun of Clooney... she's nine.

What if I called her a little farking brat?  Over the line?


static.ellahoy.es

"Did I call her a farking little brat? I'm sorry you felt you were offended. Watch my shows. Lorne Michaels is my biggest fan. The executives at NBCUniversal are in their bunk."
 
2013-02-25 03:52:04 PM

Qellaqan: The seth macfarlane joke and the onion joke seem in poor humor to me for the same reason-- they sexualize a nine year old. I don't care if they're trying to make fun of Clooney... she's nmine.


ftfy, you perv
 
2013-02-25 03:52:47 PM

Disposable Rob: FraggleStickCar: Is this just one of those times when all the people who don't know what The Onion is and have no sense of humor get incidentally alerted to its existence?

Basically. Their Facebook page is full of people who obviously just heard of The Onion and think they were serious who then bring up Dakota Fanning. It's an enormous amount of butthurt to the point that a search for Wallis's name now brings up more results of The Onion's tweet than anything involving the actual Oscars.

The Tumblr Rage Machine is well-gassed, for the next day at least.


I feel it's mandatory to post this, even though it's likely old news to most in this thread: Literally Unbelievable
/apologies if it's already been posted
 
2013-02-25 03:53:34 PM

zarberg: FarkedOver: What if she really is a c*nt?

C*nts generally have warmth and depth, being from Hollywood, she probably has neither.


She's from Louisiana. And I really can't figure out what joke The Onion was trying to make. The kid isn't *anything* enough yet to be made fun of. It's not like calling Anne Hathaway a fat cow or something equally obviously sarcastic. It's baffling.
 
2013-02-25 03:54:42 PM

MNguy: Qellaqan: The seth macfarlane joke and the onion joke seem in poor humor to me for the same reason-- they sexualize a nine year old. I don't care if they're trying to make fun of Clooney... she's nine.

What if I called her a little farking brat?  Over the line?


It probably wouldn't be *nice*, but it wouldn't be upsetting either. Different insults have different meanings and different contexts. Depending on her actions, it could be an accurate description.

I wouldn't like someone calling Taylor Swift a coont. I don't like the word, and its only purpose seems too be for degrading women despite being a much-enjoyed body part. But she's kind of an asshole, and old enough to understand, so I wouldn't exactly care that much either.

Fair enough?
 
2013-02-25 03:56:06 PM

EyeballKid: Qellaqan: The seth macfarlane joke and the onion joke seem in poor humor to me for the same reason-- they sexualize a nine year old. I don't care if they're trying to make fun of Clooney... she's nmine.

ftfy, you perv


;) I was in a very lesbo girl scout troop. We'll be in our bunk.
 
2013-02-25 03:57:18 PM

catmandu: Using an overtly sexual anatomy slur in reference to a nine year old is crossing the line. Say anything about her actions, attitude, whatever but calling a child a c**t or a d**k before those body parts have matured (and become close to legal to use) is the line


When I am on playing games online and some per-pubescent child insists that I am fond of sexual relations with the members of my same gender, I do not hesitate in return to refer to them as one might a female dog, a fatherless son of low birth, or to suggest that they might desire sexual intercourse with their mother or mothers in general.  At no point do I ask how well their bodies are developed in order to alter or adjust my verbal retaliations.  I'm afraid if that is the line, then I too have crossed it many times in the past.
 
2013-02-25 03:57:32 PM
I must hang out with too many Brits.  I thought it was hilarious.

Maybe because every time i hear see you next tuesday I'm reminded of the first time I heard a brit account the story of him visiting the states for the first time in the late 80s and having a big dinner at one of those animatronic animal places.

When he uttered the word saying someone was being a right coont about it, he said the entire place became silent and all the animatronic animals looked at him.

Since hearing that story, That's the first thought that comes to mind.  Rainforest Cafee animals looking at you in shock....so I find the damn thing funny as hell.

/csb
 
2013-02-25 03:59:11 PM

browntimmy: Doesn't bother me, but I also understand people with below average intelligence don't understand context and you have to worry about them when you have a lot of followers. I know someone's going to counter with "But a 9 year old won't understand context" so I'll go ahead and reply, "A 9 year old would also never find this quote unless someone deliberately showed her and likely doesn't understand what that word means anyway."


What is the context that makes it funny?
 
2013-02-25 04:01:58 PM

yanceylebeef: I thought it was funny.


So did I.
 
2013-02-25 04:02:06 PM

someonelse: browntimmy: Doesn't bother me, but I also understand people with below average intelligence don't understand context and you have to worry about them when you have a lot of followers. I know someone's going to counter with "But a 9 year old won't understand context" so I'll go ahead and reply, "A 9 year old would also never find this quote unless someone deliberately showed her and likely doesn't understand what that word means anyway."

What is the context that makes it funny?


A nine year old kid who's been in one movie acting like a total, ultra diva, who gets on everyone's nerves. I thought it was mildly funny. Saying "she's kind of a diva" is plausible enough to be true, but calling her a c--t lets everyone know that it's a joke.
 
2013-02-25 04:03:14 PM

someonelse: And I really can't figure out what joke The Onion was trying to make. The kid isn't *anything* enough yet to be made fun of.


They weren't making fun of her, they were mocking the general treatment of celebrities but strangers by calling the most innocent one the worst name they could think of.
 
2013-02-25 04:03:45 PM

tboucher: I must hang out with too many Brits.  I thought it was hilarious.

Maybe because every time i hear see you next tuesday I'm reminded of the first time I heard a brit account the story of him visiting the states for the first time in the late 80s and having a big dinner at one of those animatronic animal places.

When he uttered the word saying someone was being a right coont about it, he said the entire place became silent and all the animatronic animals looked at him.

Since hearing that story, That's the first thought that comes to mind.  Rainforest Cafee animals looking at you in shock....so I find the damn thing funny as hell.

/csb


www.one-quest.com
We're whaler's on the moon / We carry a ha- WHAT DID THAT GUY JUST SAY?
 
2013-02-25 04:06:16 PM

Qellaqan: MNguy: Qellaqan: The seth macfarlane joke and the onion joke seem in poor humor to me for the same reason-- they sexualize a nine year old. I don't care if they're trying to make fun of Clooney... she's nine.

What if I called her a little farking brat?  Over the line?

It probably wouldn't be *nice*, but it wouldn't be upsetting either. Different insults have different meanings and different contexts. Depending on her actions, it could be an accurate description.

I wouldn't like someone calling Taylor Swift a coont. I don't like the word, and its only purpose seems too be for degrading women despite being a much-enjoyed body part. But she's kind of an asshole, and old enough to understand, so I wouldn't exactly care that much either.

Fair enough?


See, I thought is was some sort of a satirical meta-statement about the way we bad-mouth and denigrate young woman. Of course, no one but another 9-year-old would refer to a 9-year-old as the c-word.  It's a play on the way we're supposed to "hate" all successful young women. Now, take that to the extreme with the c-word instead of the b-word, which is perfectly [italic added to denote irony] okay when applied to anyone over 17, and apply it to a child instead of a young woman. Suddenly, it's very clear how twisted this is.

As I noted up-thread, this morning, there several things written about how hard it is to "hate" Jennifer Lawrence. I just kept thinking, "Why do you feel the need to try?" This Onion joke (which did fail...because if you have to explain the joke it failed) is the extreme version of this.
 
2013-02-25 04:24:21 PM

yeegrek: I get what they were going for:  "It's funny because it's not true", with a generous dose of "Shocking!" for flavour.  But you can't hit a kid with that.  Glad they apologized.


Exactly. But you *can* hit a kid with a bag of sweet valencia oranges, right Bing?
 
2013-02-25 04:24:46 PM

DeaH: Qellaqan: MNguy: Qellaqan: The seth macfarlane joke and the onion joke seem in poor humor to me for the same reason-- they sexualize a nine year old. I don't care if they're trying to make fun of Clooney... she's nine.

What if I called her a little farking brat?  Over the line?

It probably wouldn't be *nice*, but it wouldn't be upsetting either. Different insults have different meanings and different contexts. Depending on her actions, it could be an accurate description.

I wouldn't like someone calling Taylor Swift a coont. I don't like the word, and its only purpose seems too be for degrading women despite being a much-enjoyed body part. But she's kind of an asshole, and old enough to understand, so I wouldn't exactly care that much either.

Fair enough?

See, I thought is was some sort of a satirical meta-statement about the way we bad-mouth and denigrate young woman. Of course, no one but another 9-year-old would refer to a 9-year-old as the c-word.  It's a play on the way we're supposed to "hate" all successful young women. Now, take that to the extreme with the c-word instead of the b-word, which is perfectly [italic added to denote irony] okay when applied to anyone over 17, and apply it to a child instead of a young woman. Suddenly, it's very clear how twisted this is.

As I noted up-thread, this morning, there several things written about how hard it is to "hate" Jennifer Lawrence. I just kept thinking, "Why do you feel the need to try?" This Onion joke (which did fail...because if you have to explain the joke it failed) is the extreme version of this.


I understand your viewpoint. I agree that it's farked up that women are told to hate all other women. As a female, I have dealt with the consequences of this plenty. Buuuuut I don't see that calling some random famous 9 year old a coont is the solution. The onion makes up articles about made up people all the time. I guess I can't see using a real little girl to make this kind of a point with that kind of language. Maybe something along the lines of all the actresses hating the little girl for her youth (which I have seen "serious" articles about), but not this way. I wouldn't want people talking about the 9 year old girls (and boys) that I know with such language. However, and very unfortunately, this probably pales in comparison to things written about her on the internetz.
 
2013-02-25 04:40:48 PM
People taking the Onion seriously?
More-ons
 
2013-02-25 04:47:08 PM
On one hand, The Onion is know for biting and sometimes offensive satire.

On the other hand, they called a 9 year old girl a c**t.

I feel that this is one of those times when The Onion went just a bit too far. At least they were willing to admit that they did, yanked the tweet, and apologized to the girl.

It might have been funny if Quvenzhane was in on the joke or was old enough to understand that it was satire, but this was not the case.
 
2013-02-25 04:54:07 PM

Trocadero: someonelse: browntimmy: Doesn't bother me, but I also understand people with below average intelligence don't understand context and you have to worry about them when you have a lot of followers. I know someone's going to counter with "But a 9 year old won't understand context" so I'll go ahead and reply, "A 9 year old would also never find this quote unless someone deliberately showed her and likely doesn't understand what that word means anyway."

What is the context that makes it funny?

A nine year old kid who's been in one movie acting like a total, ultra diva, who gets on everyone's nerves. I thought it was mildly funny. Saying "she's kind of a diva" is plausible enough to be true, but calling her a c--t lets everyone know that it's a joke.


Nobody is saying she's acting like an ultra diva though. Just being from the Onion let's everyone know it's a joke. Everyone gets that it's a joke. The only question here are "was the joke funny?" The answer being "not to most people". A lot people are offering competing theories about what the supposed context was that allegedly made this joke funny from the juxtaposition thing (adorable child v. rudest name possible) to  "hyperbolic extension of already rampant media misogyny" making it quite clear that there was no clear context here.

Admit it, it was lame over-the-top joke that fell flat.

They can't all be A material.
 
2013-02-25 05:03:26 PM
wait til she gets pregnant at 14 and shes called a whore.....
 
2013-02-25 05:05:39 PM

catmandu: Using an overtly sexual anatomy slur in reference to a nine year old is crossing the line. Say anything about her actions, attitude, whatever but calling a child a c**t or a d**k before those body parts have matured (and become close to legal to use) is the line.


Have you never been woken up at 3AM by a screaming kid? My sons are dicks of the highest order.
 
2013-02-25 05:06:29 PM

quatchi: Trocadero: someonelse: browntimmy: Doesn't bother me, but I also understand people with below average intelligence don't understand context and you have to worry about them when you have a lot of followers. I know someone's going to counter with "But a 9 year old won't understand context" so I'll go ahead and reply, "A 9 year old would also never find this quote unless someone deliberately showed her and likely doesn't understand what that word means anyway."

What is the context that makes it funny?

A nine year old kid who's been in one movie acting like a total, ultra diva, who gets on everyone's nerves. I thought it was mildly funny. Saying "she's kind of a diva" is plausible enough to be true, but calling her a c--t lets everyone know that it's a joke.

Nobody is saying she's acting like an ultra diva though. Just being from the Onion let's everyone know it's a joke. Everyone gets that it's a joke. The only question here are "was the joke funny?" The answer being "not to most people". A lot people are offering competing theories about what the supposed context was that allegedly made this joke funny from the juxtaposition thing (adorable child v. rudest name possible) to  "hyperbolic extension of already rampant media misogyny" making it quite clear that there was no clear context here.

Admit it, it was lame over-the-top joke that fell flat.

They can't all be A material.


Well, I thought it was so obviously a satirical rip on the rampant (and basically socially acceptable) media misogyny that the intent couldn't possibly be missed...      but then I read this thread...
 
2013-02-25 05:06:36 PM

quatchi: Trocadero: someonelse: browntimmy: Doesn't bother me, but I also understand people with below average intelligence don't understand context and you have to worry about them when you have a lot of followers. I know someone's going to counter with "But a 9 year old won't understand context" so I'll go ahead and reply, "A 9 year old would also never find this quote unless someone deliberately showed her and likely doesn't understand what that word means anyway."

What is the context that makes it funny?

A nine year old kid who's been in one movie acting like a total, ultra diva, who gets on everyone's nerves. I thought it was mildly funny. Saying "she's kind of a diva" is plausible enough to be true, but calling her a c--t lets everyone know that it's a joke.

Nobody is saying she's acting like an ultra diva though. Just being from the Onion let's everyone know it's a joke. Everyone gets that it's a joke. The only question here are "was the joke funny?" The answer being "not to most people". A lot people are offering competing theories about what the supposed context was that allegedly made this joke funny from the juxtaposition thing (adorable child v. rudest name possible) to  "hyperbolic extension of already rampant media misogyny" making it quite clear that there was no clear context here.

Admit it, it was lame over-the-top joke that fell flat.

They can't all be A material.


Did the spends ever make them apologize for accurately reporting that a t-ball stand pitched a perfect game at last year's Special Olympics?
 
2013-02-25 05:09:31 PM

Lumbar Puncture: catmandu: Using an overtly sexual anatomy slur in reference to a nine year old is crossing the line. Say anything about her actions, attitude, whatever but calling a child a c**t or a d**k before those body parts have matured (and become close to legal to use) is the line

When I am on playing games online and some per-pubescent child insists that I am fond of sexual relations with the members of my same gender, I do not hesitate in return to refer to them as one might a female dog, a fatherless son of low birth, or to suggest that they might desire sexual intercourse with their mother or mothers in general.  At no point do I ask how well their bodies are developed in order to alter or adjust my verbal retaliations.  I'm afraid if that is the line, then I too have crossed it many times in the past.


That isn't really saying anything, though. If you were doing it on a major Twitter account with jillions of followers instead of alone in an MMO arguing with a dark dwarf or whatever, there would be people getting pissed off at you. The same people who got upset over this would get upset if a) you knew the other player was a 9 year old girl and b) you said as much to millions of people. So yeah, by their consideration you HAVE crossed it "many times in the past" but since MMOs are cesspools anyway no one noticed.

I can't help but shake my head at all this. The joke wasn't funny but if no one had gotten OUTRAGED the tweet would've been drowned by other onion tweets in 20 minutes. Now it's a headline and probably the first 5 pages of Google results on the kid's name. And in a way, it's all these peoples' fault. They should learn what Streisand effect is if they're actually concerned with minimizing this behavior, rather than getting holier-than-thou at some satire newspaper intern.

There is no limit to things that would piss any reasonable person off every day across the world. Learn to let it roll off, man. All you've done is make a huge controversy out of a tasteless joke that would've dwindled into obscurity without all your trumpeting.
 
2013-02-25 05:16:10 PM

Qellaqan: DeaH: Qellaqan: MNguy: Qellaqan: The seth macfarlane joke and the onion joke seem in poor humor to me for the same reason-- they sexualize a nine year old. I don't care if they're trying to make fun of Clooney... she's nine.

What if I called her a little farking brat?  Over the line?

It probably wouldn't be *nice*, but it wouldn't be upsetting either. Different insults have different meanings and different contexts. Depending on her actions, it could be an accurate description.

I wouldn't like someone calling Taylor Swift a coont. I don't like the word, and its only purpose seems too be for degrading women despite being a much-enjoyed body part. But she's kind of an asshole, and old enough to understand, so I wouldn't exactly care that much either.

Fair enough?

See, I thought is was some sort of a satirical meta-statement about the way we bad-mouth and denigrate young woman. Of course, no one but another 9-year-old would refer to a 9-year-old as the c-word.  It's a play on the way we're supposed to "hate" all successful young women. Now, take that to the extreme with the c-word instead of the b-word, which is perfectly [italic added to denote irony] okay when applied to anyone over 17, and apply it to a child instead of a young woman. Suddenly, it's very clear how twisted this is.

As I noted up-thread, this morning, there several things written about how hard it is to "hate" Jennifer Lawrence. I just kept thinking, "Why do you feel the need to try?" This Onion joke (which did fail...because if you have to explain the joke it failed) is the extreme version of this.

I understand your viewpoint. I agree that it's farked up that women are told to hate all other women. As a female, I have dealt with the consequences of this plenty. Buuuuut I don't see that calling some random famous 9 year old a coont is the solution. The onion makes up articles about made up people all the time. I guess I can't see using a real little girl to make this kind of a point with that k ...


Except your hypothetical satirical take wouldn't even work because people are apparently *seriously* discussing that (and as an aside, how farked up is that)? What's sad is that somebody could've said the exact same thing, in seriousness, about Anne Hathaway or Jennifer Lawrence and the outrage would've been minimal-to-nonexistent. The Onion probably went too far, but look at the lack of self-examination in this thread. The fact that we, the public, were the butt of the joke went over so many heads it's sad...
 
2013-02-25 05:28:51 PM

quatchi: What the Onion said was not a joke


No, it was. Just because you didn't think it was funny does not mean that it was not a joke.
 
2013-02-25 05:41:57 PM

quatchi: FFS Fark how about linking to something that has the actual offending tweet on it so people don't have to google it themselves?

http://www.heavy.com/regions/2013/02/onion-calls-9-year-old-coont-twe et -oscar-nominee-tweet/

Not cool, Onion.



Because Fark filters the word in the first place.
 
2013-02-25 05:42:38 PM
Wow. Sure are a lot of coonts in this thread.
 
2013-02-25 06:04:53 PM

YoungLochinvar: Well, I thought it was so obviously a satirical rip on the rampant (and basically socially acceptable) media misogyny that the intent couldn't possibly be missed... but then I read this thread...


Yeah, I second that.  I thought the outrage was that the use of the c-word was too far when "biatch" may have sufficed.  But it appears that most people think the Onion was actually just insulting her for shock value, which is just not what the Onion does.
 
2013-02-25 06:11:33 PM

DeaH: As I noted up-thread, this morning, there several things written about how hard it is to "hate" Jennifer Lawrence. I just kept thinking, "Why do you feel the need to try?"


Thank you for this.
 
2013-02-25 06:16:36 PM

shut_it_down: YoungLochinvar: Well, I thought it was so obviously a satirical rip on the rampant (and basically socially acceptable) media misogyny that the intent couldn't possibly be missed... but then I read this thread...

Yeah, I second that.  I thought the outrage was that the use of the c-word was too far when "biatch" may have sufficed.  But it appears that most people think the Onion was actually just insulting her for shock value, which is just not what the Onion does.


No, that's not it at all. It doesn't matter why one writer at The Onion thought it was funny. It was an inappropriate joke using an inappropriate word. And yes some words are more offensive than others.

If the writer had used the N word instead would you still think it was funny? Women don't like the word c*nt for the same reason black people don't the N word, and why Jews don't like anti-Semitic slurs, and why gay people don't like homosexual slurs.

Why is this so hard to understand?
 
2013-02-25 06:30:00 PM

quickdraw: If the writer had used the N word instead would you still think it was funny? Women don't like the word c*nt for the same reason black people don't the N word, and why Jews don't like anti-Semitic slurs, and why gay people don't like homosexual slurs.

Why is this so hard to understand?


I've followed a lot of awards show livetweeting over the years. I've seen WAY more entertainers called coonts by spiteful "fans" than racial slurs so no, it wouldn't be funny. Because it wouldn't work.

Question for you and others who are still offended: do you get outraged at TV shows and movies that have characters who say or do awful things to children? Do you demand all your fictional characters be respectful with never a cross word to say to anyone? Because that's all the writer did with that tweet: create a satire character (because it's a satire website, you see) who goes too far with their rage tweeting. It clearly worked. Too bad it somehow caused people to forget the meaning of fiction at the same time.
 
2013-02-25 06:53:45 PM

quickdraw: shut_it_down: YoungLochinvar: Well, I thought it was so obviously a satirical rip on the rampant (and basically socially acceptable) media misogyny that the intent couldn't possibly be missed... but then I read this thread...

Yeah, I second that.  I thought the outrage was that the use of the c-word was too far when "biatch" may have sufficed.  But it appears that most people think the Onion was actually just insulting her for shock value, which is just not what the Onion does.

No, that's not it at all. It doesn't matter why one writer at The Onion thought it was funny. It was an inappropriate joke using an inappropriate word. And yes some words are more offensive than others.

If the writer had used the N word instead would you still think it was funny? Women don't like the word c*nt for the same reason black people don't the N word, and why Jews don't like anti-Semitic slurs, and why gay people don't like homosexual slurs.

Why is this so hard to understand?


It's not hard to understand at all, that was kind of the point of my post.  The entertainment media and their viewers are notorious for being reflexively and casually misogynistic and cruel.  This joke poked fun at that.  You don't have to think it was funny.  Also, whether c-word or the n-word or any other slur can be funny is really up to how it's used.  Just ask Chris Rock or Louis C.K.
 
2013-02-25 06:56:46 PM
Always love an excuse for posting this one. Probably too obscure for fark, though.

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-02-25 07:00:24 PM
Theres nothing satirical about calling a 9 year old a coont.  Im more offended at how lazy that "joke" was than I am about the c-word.  All of you trying to defend this are just enabling hack comedy, and should stop.  We, as a society, are right to expect better than that.

At least no one in this thread was dumb enough to bring up the First Amendment-- proud of you Farkers!
 
2013-02-25 07:01:05 PM
I totally don't understand what that particular Onion tweeter was thinking had they said, "Quvenzhane Wallis is fat" everybody would have got the joke and this would not be a subject of discussion.
 
2013-02-25 07:02:40 PM
Did anyone else think the apology was a parody?
 
2013-02-25 07:15:04 PM

The Great EZE: Question for you and others who are still offended: do you get outraged at TV shows and movies that have characters who say or do awful things to children? Do you demand all your fictional characters be respectful with never a cross word to say to anyone? Because that's all the writer did with that tweet: create a satire character (because it's a satire website, you see) who goes too far with their rage tweeting. It clearly worked. Too bad it somehow caused people to forget the meaning of fiction at the same time.


I for one am outraged at fictional people that don't exist. I hope they're fictionally sorry for what they fictionally said.
 
2013-02-25 07:32:19 PM
You coonts need to lighten up.

/not like they called her an uppity n-word
//THAT would have been some insensitive shiat
///But thanks to the hyper-reactive butthurt of untold thousands, young Ms. Wallis will have to hear about this unfortunate tweet for days now, instead of the never she would have heard about it in a world without Helen Lovejoys.
 
2013-02-25 08:03:04 PM

YoungLochinvar: Qellaqan: DeaH: Qellaqan: MNguy: Qellaqan: The seth macfarlane joke and the onion joke seem in poor humor to me for the same reason-- they sexualize a nine year old. I don't care if they're trying to make fun of Clooney... she's nine.


...

Except your hypothetical satirical take wouldn't even work because people are apparently *seriously* discussing that (and as an aside, how farked up is that)? What's sad is that somebody could've said the exact same thing, in seriousness, about Anne Hathaway or Jennifer Lawrence and the outrage would've been minimal-to-nonexistent. The Onion probably went too far, but look at the lack of self-examination in this thread. The fact that we, the public, were the butt of the joke went over so many heads it's sad...

My point is more that joke or no, a nine year old is inappropriate as the subject. Because she is a person. And because has nothing to do with any of this social shiat we are debating.

Just because we don't think the "joke" is funny doesn't mean we didn't get it. Just that maybe "edgy" humor doesn't fix the fact that it picks on little children too.
 
2013-02-25 08:03:54 PM
It seemed like the outrage had a race element. But how can the onion be racist? Some of their best friends are c*unts...
 
2013-02-25 08:45:50 PM

MaxxLarge: To all the people who are all butthurt over The Onion calling Quvenzhané Wallis a horrible name: You embody The Onion's slogan, "Tu Stultus Es." Or, in English, "You Are Dumb."

Please don't misunderstand...I'm not defending them. What they did was in poor taste, no doubt about it. It crossed the line, for sure. But lest we forget - at its best, satire is supposed to do one thing. And that is: hold a mirror up to society, and show it where its warts are. And in calling the least-offensive person on the red carpet (a charming, poised, adorable, talented, and universally-praised 9-year-old) the MOST offensive word that exists, what The Onion was TRYING to do was to make us think.

How often do we dismiss some celebrities as being "bad people" without even knowing them? I know some people who claim to not be able to stand Anne Hathaway, or Taylor Swift, or who will not see anything Gwyneth Paltrow does, because they say they "hate" them. Many actresses in particular seem to suffer this kind of stigma. We just judge them so easily. Certain public figures just rub us the wrong way, and that's fine...If irrational, and often misguided.

Pointing that out was all The Onion was trying to do. To ask us to consider why we harbor weird prejudices against certain people we don't even know. By calling a beloved young talent by a nasty slur, the goal was the same as if they'd said, "Is it just us, or is Tom Hanks a piece of shiat?"

So, yes...What they did was ill-advised, and designed for maximum shock value. As such, feel free to lambaste them if you must. But for fark's sake...At least do it for the right reasons. Not because you were too thick to comprehend the impetus of their intent.


Yeah no. You are giving them WAY too much credit this time. Somebody there thought it would be shocking and fbackfired and it backfired. You clearly put WAY more thought into it than anyone there did.
 
2013-02-25 09:45:47 PM

MaxxLarge: To all the people who are all butthurt over The Onion calling Quvenzhané Wallis a horrible name: You embody The Onion's slogan, "Tu Stultus Es." Or, in English, "You Are Dumb."

Please don't misunderstand...I'm not defending them. What they did was in poor taste, no doubt about it. It crossed the line, for sure. But lest we forget - at its best, satire is supposed to do one thing. And that is: hold a mirror up to society, and show it where its warts are. And in calling the least-offensive person on the red carpet (a charming, poised, adorable, talented, and universally-praised 9-year-old) the MOST offensive word that exists, what The Onion was TRYING to do was to make us think.

How often do we dismiss some celebrities as being "bad people" without even knowing them? I know some people who claim to not be able to stand Anne Hathaway, or Taylor Swift, or who will not see anything Gwyneth Paltrow does, because they say they "hate" them. Many actresses in particular seem to suffer this kind of stigma. We just judge them so easily. Certain public figures just rub us the wrong way, and that's fine...If irrational, and often misguided.

Pointing that out was all The Onion was trying to do. To ask us to consider why we harbor weird prejudices against certain people we don't even know. By calling a beloved young talent by a nasty slur, the goal was the same as if they'd said, "Is it just us, or is Tom Hanks a piece of shiat?"

So, yes...What they did was ill-advised, and designed for maximum shock value. As such, feel free to lambaste them if you must. But for fark's sake...At least do it for the right reasons. Not because you were too thick to comprehend the impetus of their intent.


Two things:

1. This
2. Disapointed that the Onion backed down and apologized. At least they should have explained the joke, because I understood it right away and found it funny precisely because the kid is so god damned likeable.
 
2013-02-25 09:47:16 PM

Wyalt Derp: They were only saying what John McCain was thinking.


I knew someone would go full derp, and whattaya know. He's even got the Derp in his name.

I just knew someone would blame a Republican. McCain is a RINO and more of a Dem these days, FYI.
 
2013-02-25 09:54:43 PM

vernonFL: I thought it was funny. Its satire, and it was making fun of Hollywood and the entertainment industry, not the girl.


Yup, people like Perez Hilton and Joan Rivers get rich saying nearly as nasty things about people and MEANING them. The point of this was that she's not a cnnt, but that hollywood "reporters" are not above skewering anybody for ratings and completely arbitrary reasons.
 
2013-02-25 10:13:13 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: This kind of humor is tricky.

When it works, it's because what was being said was so outrageous that the audience is in on the joke. The humor is that both parties realize that what was said was ridiculous.

Unfortunately, at 140 characters of text, and given the usual expectations for Twitter, the joke doesn't come across as anything more than a mean insult.  Which means that it fell flat and instead of having a nice little meta-joke about offensive jokes, we just have something that looks like an offensive joke.

Ultimately, I think that it's a case of no real harm done. The Onion took a swing, recognized they had a miss, scrubbed the joke and issued and actually contrite apology.

At this point, the only people who are shouting are a) people who go out of their way to be offended and b) people who think that self-censorship is a traitorous violation of the 1st Amendment. Which is to say, in both cases, a whole bunch of stupid c%nts.


I disagree. The failure here is the public and press, not the joke. The intent was crystal clear to me, and I'm just the average guy who doesn't even follow hollywood stuff that much.

It's making fun of the hollywood industry, not the girl. If anything, she was the target of the joke precisely because she is the opposite of a cnnt.

I'm OK with them retracting the joke if people were too dumb to understand what it was making fun of. I'm OK with them explaining to her privately why her name was used and how her talent and likeability are that reason. The facebook post though, that lets people off easy. The public gets to sit on their high horse thinking they stopped a bully (PARODY) newspaper all the while checking gossip sites spreading vicious rumors about people.

It might be unfair to involve somebody so young in all of this, but what TMZ and Perez Hilton do daily is much, much worse, and people EAT THAT UP.
 
2013-02-25 10:17:32 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: MNguy: quatchi:

Seth said... "To give you an idea how young she is it'll be 16 years before she's too old for Clooney."

That's a joke.

You're drawing a pretty fine line there.  What some people find funny, others may not.

One is making fun of a grown man, the other is making fun of a 9-year old.


No, its making fun of the writer, presumably some catty hollywood commentator. The girl is the target because she's nice, making the writer themselves the actual cnnt.
 
2013-02-25 10:25:14 PM

milsorgen: Who cares, words are just words.


Assuming you aren't black, I'd like to see you stroll down Compton or Harlem screaming the N-word and see how well that defense goes over.
 
2013-02-25 10:30:12 PM
When The Onion starts apologizing....we have lost our way.
 
2013-02-25 10:55:32 PM
Does anyone actually think the Onion wins here, and the point gets across?

The best fiction always leaves room for interpretation and discussion.  Love or hate their method, tell me that the only reason most people will be talking about this girl for the next month isn't due to The Onion instead of losing at the Oscars.

And even the apology, carefully placating the masses but claiming no context or humor?  They didn't ruin the joke by trying to explain it. If anything, the apology is the same type of boilerplate tripe you always see in these mea culpa situations.

Peel back another layer and this whole episode is an indictment of the paradox of American prudishness:  We can take strong language, violence, and sex on network television, but ZOMG! GET THE PITCHFORKS!! WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN FROM NAMECALLING AND BULLIES!!

I'd prefer to believe that The Onion has been doing their thing long enough that none of this was unintended.
 
2013-02-25 11:04:14 PM
Quvenzhane would be a great scrabble word.
 
2013-02-25 11:24:16 PM
What I find funny is the she-devils bewailing this on Tumblr (my god, I hate teenage "social justice" bloggers) are exactly the same biatch-faced slappers who go on ONTD and slag off everyone, and post "#unpopular opinion you can't judge me" hate messages in other actors' tags.

These same females will no doubt enjoy calling her all the names under the sun as soon as she hits about 13.
 
2013-02-25 11:30:32 PM

quickdraw: shut_it_down: YoungLochinvar: Well, I thought it was so obviously a satirical rip on the rampant (and basically socially acceptable) media misogyny that the intent couldn't possibly be missed... but then I read this thread...

Yeah, I second that.  I thought the outrage was that the use of the c-word was too far when "biatch" may have sufficed.  But it appears that most people think the Onion was actually just insulting her for shock value, which is just not what the Onion does.

No, that's not it at all. It doesn't matter why one writer at The Onion thought it was funny. It was an inappropriate joke using an inappropriate word. And yes some words are more offensive than others.

If the writer had used the N word instead would you still think it was funny? Women don't like the word c*nt for the same reason black people don't the N word, and why Jews don't like anti-Semitic slurs, and why gay people don't like homosexual slurs.

Why is this so hard to understand?


WTF?

Listen, as someone who walks down Seattle's 3rd Avenue every goddamned morning and evening, I can ASSURE YOU that black folks LOVE "the N word." TRUST ME on this.
 
2013-02-25 11:38:21 PM

pd2001: Peel back another layer and this whole episode is an indictment of the paradox of American prudishness: We can take strong language, violence, and sex on network television, but ZOMG! GET THE PITCHFORKS!! WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN FROM NAMECALLING AND BULLIES!!


You also forgot that Americans love nothing more than being offended, even if it's via proxy like in this case.
 
2013-02-26 01:10:00 AM

catmandu: Fraggle


again: why?

Does it still cross a line when its line-crossing is the entire point of the joke, and recognizing this presumably diminishes its offensiveness?

I'd say the joke's inherent self-awareness of its inappropriateness makes it clear that it is expressing a sentiment opposite to the offensive aspect of it, i.e. the joke is how horrible calling a 9 year old the c-word is, thus simultaneously asserting how inappropriate such a remark done in earnest would be.
 
2013-02-26 01:17:03 AM
Some people were offended. Okay, I get it.

Some people were amused. Okay, I get that too.

This is definitely one of those things where you're not history's greatest monster if you see it one way and not the other.

The people I'm getting a chuckle out of are the ones who are SO FUNNY and SO EDGY and SO CORRECT IN THEIR OPINIONS ABOUT HOW THE WORLD SHOULD WORK that they aren't the slightest bit interested in the Onion's opinion about whether or not the Onion should have apologized.

Because obviously the Onion has no idea what it's doing here and is just a helpless bunch of amateurs being bullied by the PC police and yadda yadda yadda.  I'll decide when you sincerely feel bad about calling a little girl a coont, biatches! Now shut your whore mouth while I expound upon when people are and are not allowed to be offended.
 
2013-02-26 01:45:55 AM

Ambivalence: Well it's good to have standards.


This, I suppose.  It's sort of why I have a problem with the "everything goes" brand of humor.

Nothing is sacred? Fine, that just means you have no standards.
 
2013-02-26 02:39:26 AM

thefatbasturd: Yeah no. You are giving them WAY too much credit this time. Somebody there thought it would be shocking and fbackfired and it backfired. You clearly put WAY more thought into it than anyone there did.


Seems pretty fbackfired to me.
 
mhd
2013-02-26 03:20:57 AM

3rdtimearound: obscure


Obscure, on Fark? We know all the references, even the one about the farking space hairdresser and the cowboy.

/He's got a tinfoil pal and a pedal bin.
 
2013-02-26 03:42:18 AM
Good line I heard earlier:

Satire is like shooting an apple off someone's head. It looks really cool when you do it right, but when you screw it up, nobody cares what you were trying to accomplish.
 
2013-02-26 06:58:24 AM
Just finished the Oscar threads, and it seems this tweet needs the context to reach full hilarity.  McFarlane used her age to joke on Clooney, saying that in 16 years, she'd be too old for him to date.  Now read the tweet and it's a bit more funny.  Also reinforces the use of c**t and the mysogyny of marking her as just another c**t for Clooney to plow, though they could have gone with pussy or other euphamism.  Using c**t, while rather funny, makes the out-of-context reaction skyrocket though.

/c**t
//cooter
///that-which-shall-not-be-named
 
2013-02-26 08:12:07 AM
Eh, it's kind of pathetic that the internet stopped posting pictures of cats and pictures with text on them made by other people to come down hard on a stupid tweet. You know what comedy is? That people thought they could bring down the Iranian government from their computer chair using 140 characters at a time. THAT's just proof that life is absurd.
 
2013-02-26 09:21:46 AM
Isn't the rule that they have to be 13 or older, white and Republican before you can call them a coont?
 
2013-02-26 01:07:20 PM

mhd: 3rdtimearound: obscure

Obscure, on Fark? We know all the references, even the one about the farking space hairdresser and the cowboy.

/He's got a tinfoil pal and a pedal bin.


Lego! They're all made of lego!
 
2013-02-26 08:20:20 PM
Sorry but I hope I'm not the first one to see this and think "What hell kind of name is Quvenzhané? That sounds pretty damned pretentious to me."
 
2013-02-26 09:29:17 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: milsorgen: Who cares, words are just words.

Assuming you aren't black, I'd like to see you stroll down Compton or Harlem screaming the N-word and see how well that defense goes over.


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