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2013-02-25 06:11:33 PM  

DeaH: As I noted up-thread, this morning, there several things written about how hard it is to "hate" Jennifer Lawrence. I just kept thinking, "Why do you feel the need to try?"


Thank you for this.
 
2013-02-25 06:16:36 PM  

shut_it_down: YoungLochinvar: Well, I thought it was so obviously a satirical rip on the rampant (and basically socially acceptable) media misogyny that the intent couldn't possibly be missed... but then I read this thread...

Yeah, I second that.  I thought the outrage was that the use of the c-word was too far when "biatch" may have sufficed.  But it appears that most people think the Onion was actually just insulting her for shock value, which is just not what the Onion does.


No, that's not it at all. It doesn't matter why one writer at The Onion thought it was funny. It was an inappropriate joke using an inappropriate word. And yes some words are more offensive than others.

If the writer had used the N word instead would you still think it was funny? Women don't like the word c*nt for the same reason black people don't the N word, and why Jews don't like anti-Semitic slurs, and why gay people don't like homosexual slurs.

Why is this so hard to understand?
 
2013-02-25 06:30:00 PM  

quickdraw: If the writer had used the N word instead would you still think it was funny? Women don't like the word c*nt for the same reason black people don't the N word, and why Jews don't like anti-Semitic slurs, and why gay people don't like homosexual slurs.

Why is this so hard to understand?


I've followed a lot of awards show livetweeting over the years. I've seen WAY more entertainers called coonts by spiteful "fans" than racial slurs so no, it wouldn't be funny. Because it wouldn't work.

Question for you and others who are still offended: do you get outraged at TV shows and movies that have characters who say or do awful things to children? Do you demand all your fictional characters be respectful with never a cross word to say to anyone? Because that's all the writer did with that tweet: create a satire character (because it's a satire website, you see) who goes too far with their rage tweeting. It clearly worked. Too bad it somehow caused people to forget the meaning of fiction at the same time.
 
2013-02-25 06:53:45 PM  

quickdraw: shut_it_down: YoungLochinvar: Well, I thought it was so obviously a satirical rip on the rampant (and basically socially acceptable) media misogyny that the intent couldn't possibly be missed... but then I read this thread...

Yeah, I second that.  I thought the outrage was that the use of the c-word was too far when "biatch" may have sufficed.  But it appears that most people think the Onion was actually just insulting her for shock value, which is just not what the Onion does.

No, that's not it at all. It doesn't matter why one writer at The Onion thought it was funny. It was an inappropriate joke using an inappropriate word. And yes some words are more offensive than others.

If the writer had used the N word instead would you still think it was funny? Women don't like the word c*nt for the same reason black people don't the N word, and why Jews don't like anti-Semitic slurs, and why gay people don't like homosexual slurs.

Why is this so hard to understand?


It's not hard to understand at all, that was kind of the point of my post.  The entertainment media and their viewers are notorious for being reflexively and casually misogynistic and cruel.  This joke poked fun at that.  You don't have to think it was funny.  Also, whether c-word or the n-word or any other slur can be funny is really up to how it's used.  Just ask Chris Rock or Louis C.K.
 
2013-02-25 06:56:46 PM  
Always love an excuse for posting this one. Probably too obscure for fark, though.

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-02-25 07:00:24 PM  
Theres nothing satirical about calling a 9 year old a coont.  Im more offended at how lazy that "joke" was than I am about the c-word.  All of you trying to defend this are just enabling hack comedy, and should stop.  We, as a society, are right to expect better than that.

At least no one in this thread was dumb enough to bring up the First Amendment-- proud of you Farkers!
 
2013-02-25 07:01:05 PM  
I totally don't understand what that particular Onion tweeter was thinking had they said, "Quvenzhane Wallis is fat" everybody would have got the joke and this would not be a subject of discussion.
 
2013-02-25 07:02:40 PM  
Did anyone else think the apology was a parody?
 
2013-02-25 07:15:04 PM  

The Great EZE: Question for you and others who are still offended: do you get outraged at TV shows and movies that have characters who say or do awful things to children? Do you demand all your fictional characters be respectful with never a cross word to say to anyone? Because that's all the writer did with that tweet: create a satire character (because it's a satire website, you see) who goes too far with their rage tweeting. It clearly worked. Too bad it somehow caused people to forget the meaning of fiction at the same time.


I for one am outraged at fictional people that don't exist. I hope they're fictionally sorry for what they fictionally said.
 
2013-02-25 07:32:19 PM  
You coonts need to lighten up.

/not like they called her an uppity n-word
//THAT would have been some insensitive shiat
///But thanks to the hyper-reactive butthurt of untold thousands, young Ms. Wallis will have to hear about this unfortunate tweet for days now, instead of the never she would have heard about it in a world without Helen Lovejoys.
 
2013-02-25 08:03:04 PM  

YoungLochinvar: Qellaqan: DeaH: Qellaqan: MNguy: Qellaqan: The seth macfarlane joke and the onion joke seem in poor humor to me for the same reason-- they sexualize a nine year old. I don't care if they're trying to make fun of Clooney... she's nine.


...

Except your hypothetical satirical take wouldn't even work because people are apparently *seriously* discussing that (and as an aside, how farked up is that)? What's sad is that somebody could've said the exact same thing, in seriousness, about Anne Hathaway or Jennifer Lawrence and the outrage would've been minimal-to-nonexistent. The Onion probably went too far, but look at the lack of self-examination in this thread. The fact that we, the public, were the butt of the joke went over so many heads it's sad...

My point is more that joke or no, a nine year old is inappropriate as the subject. Because she is a person. And because has nothing to do with any of this social shiat we are debating.

Just because we don't think the "joke" is funny doesn't mean we didn't get it. Just that maybe "edgy" humor doesn't fix the fact that it picks on little children too.
 
2013-02-25 08:03:54 PM  
It seemed like the outrage had a race element. But how can the onion be racist? Some of their best friends are c*unts...
 
2013-02-25 08:45:50 PM  

MaxxLarge: To all the people who are all butthurt over The Onion calling Quvenzhané Wallis a horrible name: You embody The Onion's slogan, "Tu Stultus Es." Or, in English, "You Are Dumb."

Please don't misunderstand...I'm not defending them. What they did was in poor taste, no doubt about it. It crossed the line, for sure. But lest we forget - at its best, satire is supposed to do one thing. And that is: hold a mirror up to society, and show it where its warts are. And in calling the least-offensive person on the red carpet (a charming, poised, adorable, talented, and universally-praised 9-year-old) the MOST offensive word that exists, what The Onion was TRYING to do was to make us think.

How often do we dismiss some celebrities as being "bad people" without even knowing them? I know some people who claim to not be able to stand Anne Hathaway, or Taylor Swift, or who will not see anything Gwyneth Paltrow does, because they say they "hate" them. Many actresses in particular seem to suffer this kind of stigma. We just judge them so easily. Certain public figures just rub us the wrong way, and that's fine...If irrational, and often misguided.

Pointing that out was all The Onion was trying to do. To ask us to consider why we harbor weird prejudices against certain people we don't even know. By calling a beloved young talent by a nasty slur, the goal was the same as if they'd said, "Is it just us, or is Tom Hanks a piece of shiat?"

So, yes...What they did was ill-advised, and designed for maximum shock value. As such, feel free to lambaste them if you must. But for fark's sake...At least do it for the right reasons. Not because you were too thick to comprehend the impetus of their intent.


Yeah no. You are giving them WAY too much credit this time. Somebody there thought it would be shocking and fbackfired and it backfired. You clearly put WAY more thought into it than anyone there did.
 
2013-02-25 09:45:47 PM  

MaxxLarge: To all the people who are all butthurt over The Onion calling Quvenzhané Wallis a horrible name: You embody The Onion's slogan, "Tu Stultus Es." Or, in English, "You Are Dumb."

Please don't misunderstand...I'm not defending them. What they did was in poor taste, no doubt about it. It crossed the line, for sure. But lest we forget - at its best, satire is supposed to do one thing. And that is: hold a mirror up to society, and show it where its warts are. And in calling the least-offensive person on the red carpet (a charming, poised, adorable, talented, and universally-praised 9-year-old) the MOST offensive word that exists, what The Onion was TRYING to do was to make us think.

How often do we dismiss some celebrities as being "bad people" without even knowing them? I know some people who claim to not be able to stand Anne Hathaway, or Taylor Swift, or who will not see anything Gwyneth Paltrow does, because they say they "hate" them. Many actresses in particular seem to suffer this kind of stigma. We just judge them so easily. Certain public figures just rub us the wrong way, and that's fine...If irrational, and often misguided.

Pointing that out was all The Onion was trying to do. To ask us to consider why we harbor weird prejudices against certain people we don't even know. By calling a beloved young talent by a nasty slur, the goal was the same as if they'd said, "Is it just us, or is Tom Hanks a piece of shiat?"

So, yes...What they did was ill-advised, and designed for maximum shock value. As such, feel free to lambaste them if you must. But for fark's sake...At least do it for the right reasons. Not because you were too thick to comprehend the impetus of their intent.


Two things:

1. This
2. Disapointed that the Onion backed down and apologized. At least they should have explained the joke, because I understood it right away and found it funny precisely because the kid is so god damned likeable.
 
2013-02-25 09:47:16 PM  

Wyalt Derp: They were only saying what John McCain was thinking.


I knew someone would go full derp, and whattaya know. He's even got the Derp in his name.

I just knew someone would blame a Republican. McCain is a RINO and more of a Dem these days, FYI.
 
2013-02-25 09:54:43 PM  

vernonFL: I thought it was funny. Its satire, and it was making fun of Hollywood and the entertainment industry, not the girl.


Yup, people like Perez Hilton and Joan Rivers get rich saying nearly as nasty things about people and MEANING them. The point of this was that she's not a cnnt, but that hollywood "reporters" are not above skewering anybody for ratings and completely arbitrary reasons.
 
2013-02-25 10:13:13 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: This kind of humor is tricky.

When it works, it's because what was being said was so outrageous that the audience is in on the joke. The humor is that both parties realize that what was said was ridiculous.

Unfortunately, at 140 characters of text, and given the usual expectations for Twitter, the joke doesn't come across as anything more than a mean insult.  Which means that it fell flat and instead of having a nice little meta-joke about offensive jokes, we just have something that looks like an offensive joke.

Ultimately, I think that it's a case of no real harm done. The Onion took a swing, recognized they had a miss, scrubbed the joke and issued and actually contrite apology.

At this point, the only people who are shouting are a) people who go out of their way to be offended and b) people who think that self-censorship is a traitorous violation of the 1st Amendment. Which is to say, in both cases, a whole bunch of stupid c%nts.


I disagree. The failure here is the public and press, not the joke. The intent was crystal clear to me, and I'm just the average guy who doesn't even follow hollywood stuff that much.

It's making fun of the hollywood industry, not the girl. If anything, she was the target of the joke precisely because she is the opposite of a cnnt.

I'm OK with them retracting the joke if people were too dumb to understand what it was making fun of. I'm OK with them explaining to her privately why her name was used and how her talent and likeability are that reason. The facebook post though, that lets people off easy. The public gets to sit on their high horse thinking they stopped a bully (PARODY) newspaper all the while checking gossip sites spreading vicious rumors about people.

It might be unfair to involve somebody so young in all of this, but what TMZ and Perez Hilton do daily is much, much worse, and people EAT THAT UP.
 
2013-02-25 10:17:32 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: MNguy: quatchi:

Seth said... "To give you an idea how young she is it'll be 16 years before she's too old for Clooney."

That's a joke.

You're drawing a pretty fine line there.  What some people find funny, others may not.

One is making fun of a grown man, the other is making fun of a 9-year old.


No, its making fun of the writer, presumably some catty hollywood commentator. The girl is the target because she's nice, making the writer themselves the actual cnnt.
 
2013-02-25 10:25:14 PM  

milsorgen: Who cares, words are just words.


Assuming you aren't black, I'd like to see you stroll down Compton or Harlem screaming the N-word and see how well that defense goes over.
 
2013-02-25 10:30:12 PM  
When The Onion starts apologizing....we have lost our way.
 
2013-02-25 10:55:32 PM  
Does anyone actually think the Onion wins here, and the point gets across?

The best fiction always leaves room for interpretation and discussion.  Love or hate their method, tell me that the only reason most people will be talking about this girl for the next month isn't due to The Onion instead of losing at the Oscars.

And even the apology, carefully placating the masses but claiming no context or humor?  They didn't ruin the joke by trying to explain it. If anything, the apology is the same type of boilerplate tripe you always see in these mea culpa situations.

Peel back another layer and this whole episode is an indictment of the paradox of American prudishness:  We can take strong language, violence, and sex on network television, but ZOMG! GET THE PITCHFORKS!! WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN FROM NAMECALLING AND BULLIES!!

I'd prefer to believe that The Onion has been doing their thing long enough that none of this was unintended.
 
2013-02-25 11:04:14 PM  
Quvenzhane would be a great scrabble word.
 
2013-02-25 11:24:16 PM  
What I find funny is the she-devils bewailing this on Tumblr (my god, I hate teenage "social justice" bloggers) are exactly the same biatch-faced slappers who go on ONTD and slag off everyone, and post "#unpopular opinion you can't judge me" hate messages in other actors' tags.

These same females will no doubt enjoy calling her all the names under the sun as soon as she hits about 13.
 
2013-02-25 11:30:32 PM  

quickdraw: shut_it_down: YoungLochinvar: Well, I thought it was so obviously a satirical rip on the rampant (and basically socially acceptable) media misogyny that the intent couldn't possibly be missed... but then I read this thread...

Yeah, I second that.  I thought the outrage was that the use of the c-word was too far when "biatch" may have sufficed.  But it appears that most people think the Onion was actually just insulting her for shock value, which is just not what the Onion does.

No, that's not it at all. It doesn't matter why one writer at The Onion thought it was funny. It was an inappropriate joke using an inappropriate word. And yes some words are more offensive than others.

If the writer had used the N word instead would you still think it was funny? Women don't like the word c*nt for the same reason black people don't the N word, and why Jews don't like anti-Semitic slurs, and why gay people don't like homosexual slurs.

Why is this so hard to understand?


WTF?

Listen, as someone who walks down Seattle's 3rd Avenue every goddamned morning and evening, I can ASSURE YOU that black folks LOVE "the N word." TRUST ME on this.
 
2013-02-25 11:38:21 PM  

pd2001: Peel back another layer and this whole episode is an indictment of the paradox of American prudishness: We can take strong language, violence, and sex on network television, but ZOMG! GET THE PITCHFORKS!! WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN FROM NAMECALLING AND BULLIES!!


You also forgot that Americans love nothing more than being offended, even if it's via proxy like in this case.
 
2013-02-26 01:10:00 AM  

catmandu: Fraggle


again: why?

Does it still cross a line when its line-crossing is the entire point of the joke, and recognizing this presumably diminishes its offensiveness?

I'd say the joke's inherent self-awareness of its inappropriateness makes it clear that it is expressing a sentiment opposite to the offensive aspect of it, i.e. the joke is how horrible calling a 9 year old the c-word is, thus simultaneously asserting how inappropriate such a remark done in earnest would be.
 
2013-02-26 01:17:03 AM  
Some people were offended. Okay, I get it.

Some people were amused. Okay, I get that too.

This is definitely one of those things where you're not history's greatest monster if you see it one way and not the other.

The people I'm getting a chuckle out of are the ones who are SO FUNNY and SO EDGY and SO CORRECT IN THEIR OPINIONS ABOUT HOW THE WORLD SHOULD WORK that they aren't the slightest bit interested in the Onion's opinion about whether or not the Onion should have apologized.

Because obviously the Onion has no idea what it's doing here and is just a helpless bunch of amateurs being bullied by the PC police and yadda yadda yadda.  I'll decide when you sincerely feel bad about calling a little girl a coont, biatches! Now shut your whore mouth while I expound upon when people are and are not allowed to be offended.
 
2013-02-26 01:45:55 AM  

Ambivalence: Well it's good to have standards.


This, I suppose.  It's sort of why I have a problem with the "everything goes" brand of humor.

Nothing is sacred? Fine, that just means you have no standards.
 
2013-02-26 02:39:26 AM  

thefatbasturd: Yeah no. You are giving them WAY too much credit this time. Somebody there thought it would be shocking and fbackfired and it backfired. You clearly put WAY more thought into it than anyone there did.


Seems pretty fbackfired to me.
 
mhd
2013-02-26 03:20:57 AM  

3rdtimearound: obscure


Obscure, on Fark? We know all the references, even the one about the farking space hairdresser and the cowboy.

/He's got a tinfoil pal and a pedal bin.
 
2013-02-26 03:42:18 AM  
Good line I heard earlier:

Satire is like shooting an apple off someone's head. It looks really cool when you do it right, but when you screw it up, nobody cares what you were trying to accomplish.
 
2013-02-26 06:58:24 AM  
Just finished the Oscar threads, and it seems this tweet needs the context to reach full hilarity.  McFarlane used her age to joke on Clooney, saying that in 16 years, she'd be too old for him to date.  Now read the tweet and it's a bit more funny.  Also reinforces the use of c**t and the mysogyny of marking her as just another c**t for Clooney to plow, though they could have gone with pussy or other euphamism.  Using c**t, while rather funny, makes the out-of-context reaction skyrocket though.

/c**t
//cooter
///that-which-shall-not-be-named
 
2013-02-26 08:12:07 AM  
Eh, it's kind of pathetic that the internet stopped posting pictures of cats and pictures with text on them made by other people to come down hard on a stupid tweet. You know what comedy is? That people thought they could bring down the Iranian government from their computer chair using 140 characters at a time. THAT's just proof that life is absurd.
 
2013-02-26 09:21:46 AM  
Isn't the rule that they have to be 13 or older, white and Republican before you can call them a coont?
 
2013-02-26 01:07:20 PM  

mhd: 3rdtimearound: obscure

Obscure, on Fark? We know all the references, even the one about the farking space hairdresser and the cowboy.

/He's got a tinfoil pal and a pedal bin.


Lego! They're all made of lego!
 
2013-02-26 08:20:20 PM  
Sorry but I hope I'm not the first one to see this and think "What hell kind of name is Quvenzhané? That sounds pretty damned pretentious to me."
 
2013-02-26 09:29:17 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: milsorgen: Who cares, words are just words.

Assuming you aren't black, I'd like to see you stroll down Compton or Harlem screaming the N-word and see how well that defense goes over.


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