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(USA Today)   Genius reporter asks: Does Golf Match Play need to be fixed so that #1 seeds never lose?   (usatoday.com) divider line 32
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2013-02-25 01:42:14 PM
Maybe they should give the higher seeds two off the first and a mully per side?
 
2013-02-25 01:47:17 PM
Well, since top seeds got to be top seeds by winning at the current rules, why change the rules because top seeds failed?  You might as well tell all the lower seeds, you will stay low ranking and like it.  Doesn't sound like good competition if the chance of failure for you top seeds isn't a reality.

Oh wait, they did that for Jordan, so why not do it for Woods?  I remember when traveling was 'no extra steps', now I hear 2 1/2 steps.  How do you measure the 1/2 step?
 
2013-02-25 02:47:11 PM
Hmm, ensuring that number 1 seeds don't lose.  That certainly is one way to fix it.
 
2013-02-25 02:49:23 PM

lack of warmth: How do you measure the 1/2 step



On the day that I was born, my daddy sat down and cried.  Had the mark just as plain as day, which could not be denied.  They say that Cain caught Abel throwin' loaded dice, Ace of spades behind his ear, and him not thinking twice.

/across the lazy river
//across the Rio Grande-io
///obscure?
 
2013-02-25 02:50:54 PM
I get the complaint about the 3rd place match, maybe bump the pay of the top 3 so the difference between 3-4 in the money is significant enough that guys want to play.

But if you're going to complain about playing an "extra 18" then I suggest you win 5 and 4 or thereabouts.

As far as the top seeds losing?   That's the breaks, there aren't many match play events so suck it up.  It's good golf to watch guys have to play Sunday golf every day of the tourny instead of coasting for 2 rounds.
 
2013-02-25 02:52:01 PM
Why bother having Match Play at all in golf? It's not at all similar to the "real" game where you play 4 rounds over 4 days and then see who did the best overall.

Oh right! It's all about $$$ and TV ratings.

Or maybe it's about keeping the egos of fat cats who play and watch golf inflated. How dare some uppity underdog defeat my corporate colossus?
 
2013-02-25 02:54:11 PM
I love match play.  it gets kinda lame when on sunday, a guy has a 8 shot lead.  ryder cup and Accenture are awesome.  lose a hole, no biggie, get 'em on the next one.  it's like chess in a way.

also a big fan of the Stableford system but i don't think the PGA/USGA do that anymore.  I think the Seniors tour used it a bit.  Or maybe I'm thinking of some silly season event.
 
2013-02-25 02:58:49 PM

rickythepenguin: I love match play.  it gets kinda lame when on sunday, a guy has a 8 shot lead.  ryder cup and Accenture are awesome.  lose a hole, no biggie, get 'em on the next one.  it's like chess in a way.


I like it too, but when there are only two matches going on, one of which is entirely meaningless, it's tough to stay interested.  And I'm sure NBC was none-too-thrilled that their dream matchup of Rory vs. Tiger ended up being Smilin' Matt Kuchar and Hunter Mahan.

And if I have to listen to Johnny Miller tell me about Steve Stricker's wizardry with the putter again, I'm going to lose it.  Miller was at the damn Ryder Cup, Stricker would have been better off putting with a log.
 
2013-02-25 03:05:23 PM

Yanks_RSJ: I like it too, but when there are only two matches going on, one of which is entirely meaningless, it's tough to stay interested



fair point.  stroke play is its own thing, i just like the dynamic that match play has.
 
2013-02-25 03:07:16 PM
Or... maybe the "seed" system needs to be fixed if the top seeds keep losing.
 
2013-02-25 03:12:12 PM
they should do a BCS system, and have Tiger Woods and whoever that other guy is beat 12 random people they found at a putt putt golf course then they're 12-0 and therefore the #1 and 2 seeds and play for the championship
 
2013-02-25 03:17:53 PM
And what's with unknown names coming out of nowhere to win 4-day tournaments, anyway? Don't they see how much money could be made if Tiger won every week?
 
2013-02-25 03:18:18 PM

falcon176: they should do a BCS system, and have Tiger Woods and whoever that other guy is beat 12 random people they found at a putt putt golf course then they're 12-0 and therefore the #1 and 2 seeds and play for the championship


Let's give the BCS schools SOME credit...it is more like a 9-hole par 3 course they need to go 12-0 against. Putt-putt in this analogy would be D3.
 
2013-02-25 03:19:46 PM

Gosling: And what's with unknown names coming out of nowhere to win 4-day tournaments, anyway? Don't they see how much money could be made if Tiger won every week?


The "anyman can win" outcome works better for the sponsors anyway.  Tons of average joes or amateur golfers will go out and buy a bunch of shiat so they can win.  It's like when Moneymaker won the WSoP, it brought in so many people to the game...
 
2013-02-25 03:26:41 PM

Kuta: Why bother having Match Play at all in golf? It's not at all similar to the "real" game where you play 4 rounds over 4 days and then see who did the best overall.

Oh right! It's all about $$$ and TV ratings.

Or maybe it's about keeping the egos of fat cats who play and watch golf inflated. How dare some uppity underdog defeat my corporate colossus?


I have tried for a couple minutes, but I can't think of a way this post could make any less sense.
 
2013-02-25 03:42:56 PM
tuned in for just a moment this weekend, I know the weather was a factor but by looking at the crowd it looked like a jr. tournament. I just thought the PGA must be having a cow at the turnout.

/this a good tourney, but yeah, the weekend matches weren't all that interesting
/my tin foil hat theory: PGA paying or will be paying Elin "appearance" fees to generate interest.
 
2013-02-25 03:45:13 PM
Rankings are based on stroke play. This is match play. Fix the seedings such that Poulter and Mahan are 1-2 and go from there.

Just don't let Davis Love III set the seeds.

/Worst. Captain. Ever.
 
2013-02-25 04:06:43 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: I get the complaint about the 3rd place match, maybe bump the pay of the top 3 so the difference between 3-4 in the money is significant enough that guys want to play.

But if you're going to complain about playing an "extra 18" then I suggest you win 5 and 4 or thereabouts.

As far as the top seeds losing?   That's the breaks, there aren't many match play events so suck it up.  It's good golf to watch guys have to play Sunday golf every day of the tourny instead of coasting for 2 rounds.


If Ian Poulter really felt that way, he was perfectly entitled to show up on the first tee and concede the match to Jason Day. Why didn't he? Because he wanted the money and ranking points that come with finishing 3rd place. Sounds like it mattered to him. Why do players who are in 58th place entering Sunday show up? Because making birdies and finishing 40th makes more money and prestige than making bogies and finishing 70th.
 
2013-02-25 04:39:40 PM
It's not like this tournament is being won by mugs.  As the article says, the last six winners were Kuchar, Mahan, Donald, Poulter, Ogilvy, and Woods, all of whom were in or near the top 10.  I'd say the Match Play championship is as much or more likely to be won by an elite golfer than the average medal play tournament.
 
2013-02-25 05:05:52 PM
"That would have given Woods and McIlroy another shot. McIlroy, still adjusting to his new clubs "


Isn't that what the off-season is for?
 
2013-02-25 05:32:21 PM
Question for hockey fans since I know the least about hockey as opposed to every other major sport, but does the shortened season help or hurt the NHL "elite" teams?

Did the NHL make a new schedule or are they just playing their remaining games out?
Bruins vs. Blackhawks seems as if it would be a good series.
 
2013-02-25 05:37:08 PM

Alphakronik: Isn't that what the off-season is for?



yeah, but he apparently switched again just days / weeks ago, garnering a measure of criticism from industry pundits, who said the same thing you just did.  "why now?  it's kinda a big deal to switch clubs!"
 
2013-02-25 06:20:48 PM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: tuned in for just a moment this weekend, I know the weather was a factor but by looking at the crowd it looked like a jr. tournament. I just thought the PGA must be having a cow at the turnout.

/this a good tourney, but yeah, the weekend matches weren't all that interesting
/my tin foil hat theory: PGA paying or will be paying Elin "appearance" fees to generate interest.


They probably lose or just break even on the actual gallery. It's all about the TV money
 
2013-02-25 06:34:24 PM
If you don't farking like the way match play works don't farking play match play tournaments.
 
2013-02-25 06:47:52 PM

Alphakronik: "That would have given Woods and McIlroy another shot. McIlroy, still adjusting to his new clubs "


Isn't that what the off-season is for?


There's an off season?  I'm fairly certain it's possible to play in 52 golf tournaments per year.

/53 if like these guys you get kicked out of a tourney on a Wednesday
 
2013-02-25 07:02:44 PM
Sounds like he normally covers SEC football.
 
2013-02-25 11:02:40 PM
This tournament is really early in the PGA season. A lot of the top players like Tiger, Rory and Phil haven't played many tournaments yet, while the lower ranked guys are out playing nearly every week. Guys like Kuchar and Mahan have played more tournament golf this year and are already warmed up and getting into stride. That's why the top seeds usually do so poorly in this tournament.
 
2013-02-26 12:06:55 AM
Don't stop there. How about fixing the World Series so that it always features the Yankees.
 
2013-02-26 12:41:50 AM

Kuta: Why bother having Match Play at all in golf? It's not at all similar to the "real" game where you play 4 rounds over 4 days and then see who did the best overall.

Oh right! It's all about $$$ and TV ratings.

Or maybe it's about keeping the egos of fat cats who play and watch golf inflated. How dare some uppity underdog defeat my corporate colossus?


...actually, corporate greed is what originally phased out Match Play in the first place.  The good ol' boys figured the masses would rather want to see Sam Snead and Ben Hogan play for four days than have the chance that they only played one.

See, my thought is that one should be a "amateur-type" match play event, wherein two rounds of stroke play are played, then the top 32 players after those rounds play match play the rest of the way. (Which is basically how the US Amateur is contested, except they cut to top 64.)
 
2013-02-26 01:55:18 AM
I'd like to see more match play events.
 
2013-02-26 04:53:56 PM

Delawheredad: Don't stop there. How about fixing the World Series so that it always features the Yankees.


Only if the Super Bowl always has the Patriots.
 
2013-02-26 05:13:29 PM

FitzShivering: Delawheredad: Don't stop there. How about fixing the World Series so that it always features the Yankees.

Only if the Super Bowl always has the Patriots.


Fine by me.

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