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(Some Guy)   FDA: "Your products are drugs and therefore they may not legally be marketed without an approved new drug application." Are they talking about: A: Hemp? B: Untested medicine? or C: Walnuts?   (worldtruth.tv) divider line 191
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2013-02-25 03:34:21 PM
That site has a lot of wharrgarble.
 
2013-02-25 03:34:28 PM

clane: and yall keep voting Democrat....

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The law is on the books to protect the public from claims made by snake oil salesmen......something that Palin followers wouldn't understand.
 
2013-02-25 03:34:29 PM
Here is another site with the same story that isn't Farked...Yet.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/03/07/fda-sa ys -walnuts-are-drugs.aspx
 
2013-02-25 03:37:02 PM
I hear a few dozen wild almonds will cure almost any disease as well.
 
2013-02-25 03:37:15 PM
Hey FDA, how about getting on approving better treatments for DVT?   I'm tired of watching my vitamin K intake and testing my blood all the time.  You've already approved them for A Fib, just check the little box for DVT so my docs will presecribe them.
 
2013-02-25 03:37:43 PM

Snargi: Here is another site with the same story that isn't Farked...Yet.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/03/07/fda-sa ys -walnuts-are-drugs.aspx


In other words, if a product makes a medical claim, it's automatically classified as a drug.

Umm yeah, doesn't that actually make sense?
 
2013-02-25 03:38:37 PM

Citrate1007: The law is on the books to protect the public from claims made by snake oil salesmen


Yeah, that's working just great.
 
2013-02-25 03:39:02 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I've been thinking of combining my origami skills with my stash of discount aluminum foil and marketing very fashionable mind control deflector headgear. I don't have to run that by the FDA first, do I?

/mine looks like a Samurai hat!


Hmmm... does the "condition" your product is used for have to even exist?  What if your origami foil creations also said they prevent Unicornitis?  Would that classify it as a medical device subject to testing and approval?
 
2013-02-25 03:39:19 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: Hey FDA, how about getting on approving better treatments for DVT?   I'm tired of watching my vitamin K intake and testing my blood all the time.  You've already approved them for A Fib, just check the little box for DVT so my docs will presecribe them.


If something is already approved for use for one treatment your doctor can prescribe it for another. You don't have to wait for the FDA. Maybe your doctor is just deciding not to use it because the results aren't there.
 
2013-02-25 03:39:19 PM

Citrate1007: clane: and yall keep voting Democrat....

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The law is on the books to protect the public from claims made by snake oil salesmen......something that Palin followers wouldn't understand.


Pfft.  Why protect them?  Let the weaklings get weeded out, the way the Good Lord intended.  They're probly all Librulz anyways.
 
2013-02-25 03:39:40 PM
One of the greatest cons was creating the FDA (it's for your own good) and letting the larger pharmaceutical concerns pull the strings.

How's that working out for you, america?
 
2013-02-25 03:40:28 PM

loki see loki do: WinoRhino: loki see loki do: Model 8 motherfarking sixteen, yo.

Is that the one with the attractive wooden base?

Damn straight.


Here's the thing with that particular model. One Christmas Eve I'm drinking martinis, I'm cracking nuts, smoking a little of the haze, right? I start to bug out a bit. The Christmas tree starts growing, I'm shrinking and all these army mice come out of nowhere led by this, like, mouse king I guess. At that point I'm calling at the ol' model 816 to help me out, right? Nutcrackers are supposed to fight this shiat off. But no. He's all "Look, I have an attractive wooden base!" Not legs, mind you, like a proper nutcracker. No bayonet. No intimidating red uniform. He's just wagging his wooden handle like a scared puppy. I had to fight off the mice creatures with a goddamned sword swizzle stick, and it was a biatch to get that olive off first. I finish off the mouse king, suffer a few bites, possibly rabies, all while the 816 just apologizes and offers me a goddamned filbert. fark the model 816 and its attractive wooden base. I regifted that biatch the next morning.
 
2013-02-25 03:40:58 PM
What if the walnut people don't put any of those claims on their packaging, but instead, pay for a PSA stating the claims?  "Walnuts be good for cancer and stuff!"  If it isn't on the packaging, would this still count?
 
2013-02-25 03:41:07 PM

Snargi: Here is another site with the same story that isn't Farked...Yet.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/03/07/fda-sa ys -walnuts-are-drugs.aspx


Oh, it's Mercola. Another site full of alternative medicine craziness.

Anyway the FDA seems to be right. If you want to advertise medical benefits then get FDA approval for those benefits. If the existing research is as good as you say then getting approval should be easy.
 
2013-02-25 03:41:36 PM

loki see loki do: [www.reednutcracker.com image 650x467]
In other nut news, my coworker came in with oneof these babies today.
Farker will bust a farking nut, i'm telling you.
Model 8 motherfarking sixteen, yo.


I typically bust my nuts by hand.

You may interpret that both literally AND euphemistically.
=Smidge=
 
2013-02-25 03:42:13 PM

WorkingInParadise: Not sure if they are drugs, but I am sure walnuts are alien...

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Huh.  Laura Petrie/Mary Tyler Moore was kinda hot!

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Still sorta GMILF-y.

blog.zap2it.com

Whoa, WTF is this?  o_O

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2013-02-25 03:42:31 PM

Corvus: DoBeDoBeDo: Hey FDA, how about getting on approving better treatments for DVT?   I'm tired of watching my vitamin K intake and testing my blood all the time.  You've already approved them for A Fib, just check the little box for DVT so my docs will presecribe them.

If something is already approved for use for one treatment your doctor can prescribe it for another. You don't have to wait for the FDA. Maybe your doctor is just deciding not to use it because the results aren't there.


But will insurance pay for the non-approved use?
 
2013-02-25 03:42:46 PM

Smidge204: I typically bust my nuts by hand.


Honey?
 
2013-02-25 03:42:55 PM
Food, it prevents/cures starvation!

Now all food is a drug...
 
2013-02-25 03:43:03 PM

dahmers love zombie: Hmm.  Worldtruth.tv.  So what other major bombshells has this website exposed?


"Ten facts that prove Sandy Hook shooting was a hoax".
"Chemtrail flu: Have you got it yet?"
"The vaccine hoax is over"

Yeah, I'm gonna go with "Your Blog Sucks" for $500, Alex.


But thanks to them, my precious essence remains pure!
 
2013-02-25 03:44:59 PM
Walnut oil cured ringworm when I was a kid. Don't know if it still does or not.
 
2013-02-25 03:45:14 PM
I thought the supplements reg that went though congress years back you can basically put anything on your package if you say it's not evaluated by the FDA... assuming it is a product that wont kill/severely harm people in short spans of time. Grind em up into a pill add some harmless flower, call it by Latin name and sell it for $13 a bottle at whole foods.

/please send my check asap.
 
2013-02-25 03:47:09 PM

odinsposse: Snargi: Here is another site with the same story that isn't Farked...Yet.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/03/07/fda-sa ys -walnuts-are-drugs.aspx

Oh, it's Mercola. Another site full of alternative medicine craziness.


Yeah, didn't really look before I posted the link.
 
2013-02-25 03:49:24 PM
In case you missed it (from 7/25/2011)
The FDA has announced that walnuts are drugs. Read that again if you need to
link
Looking forward to September of 2014 when we can discuss the exact same thing again.
 
2013-02-25 03:49:38 PM
Walnuts are better than chin nuts.
 
2013-02-25 03:49:46 PM

Ambivalence: The law says that if you make any medicinal claims about a substance, that substsance has to be approved by the FDA for that purpose.

For example, I used to make soap (as a hobby) and the law states that you cannot ascribe any property to a soap/lotion/etc beyond "moisturizing".  Even if a particular essential oil is known to be good for acne, if it's not FDA approved to treat acne, you cannot claim that a soap that contains that essential oil "treats acne" or is "anti-acne".

Walnuts may be healthy and good for you, but implying or claiming it will cure disease or make you healthier by eating them greatly exaggerates what benefits someone can expect to have from them (to the point of fraud).


www.d.umn.edu
We know your game.
 
2013-02-25 03:51:41 PM

ga362: Walnut oil cured ringworm when I was a kid.


You need FDA approval to say that.
 
2013-02-25 03:52:08 PM
Good on them! I just love the government when they stop bad things like this! It makes me feel safe.
 
2013-02-25 03:53:09 PM

J. Frank Parnell: But if you want to rush a drug to market for something like 'restless leg syndrome' with hardly any testing the FDA has your back.

/If it's found to be fatal later, that's just the price you pay for progress.


"Restless leg syndrome" is about as real as Morgellons. Curing a fake disease is impossible. The FDA doesn't regulate obviously impossible claims.
 
2013-02-25 03:53:48 PM

WinoRhino: loki see loki do: WinoRhino: loki see loki do: Model 8 motherfarking sixteen, yo.

Is that the one with the attractive wooden base?

Damn straight.

Here's the thing with that particular model. One Christmas Eve I'm drinking martinis, I'm cracking nuts, smoking a little of the haze, right? I start to bug out a bit. The Christmas tree starts growing, I'm shrinking and all these army mice come out of nowhere led by this, like, mouse king I guess. At that point I'm calling at the ol' model 816 to help me out, right? Nutcrackers are supposed to fight this shiat off. But no. He's all "Look, I have an attractive wooden base!" Not legs, mind you, like a proper nutcracker. No bayonet. No intimidating red uniform. He's just wagging his wooden handle like a scared puppy. I had to fight off the mice creatures with a goddamned sword swizzle stick, and it was a biatch to get that olive off first. I finish off the mouse king, suffer a few bites, possibly rabies, all while the 816 just apologizes and offers me a goddamned filbert. fark the model 816 and its attractive wooden base. I regifted that biatch the next morning.


You must have been trippin balls, holmes, cause the 8 motherfarking 16 has your back. Remeber, this is the ROCKET 816, and if you do not avail yourself of its formidable leverage, which is capable of exerting metric farkloads of gleaming alloy crunch death on invading mousies, all you need to do is unscrew the bustanut reciever and the Rocket 8 mousestomping 16 can turn a standard pecan or brazil nut into a high velocity shrapnel hail .

You'll rue that regifting, bub.
 
2013-02-25 03:54:08 PM

Oliver Twisted: Corvus: DoBeDoBeDo: Hey FDA, how about getting on approving better treatments for DVT?   I'm tired of watching my vitamin K intake and testing my blood all the time.  You've already approved them for A Fib, just check the little box for DVT so my docs will presecribe them.

If something is already approved for use for one treatment your doctor can prescribe it for another. You don't have to wait for the FDA. Maybe your doctor is just deciding not to use it because the results aren't there.

But will insurance pay for the non-approved use?


I don't know. But that's not what he said. So it has nothing to do with the point I was making.
 
2013-02-25 03:55:04 PM
Is this like how the alternative medicine nuts claim the cyanide in apricot seeds has "anti-cancer properties"?
 
2013-02-25 03:55:44 PM

vudukungfu: One of the greatest cons was creating the FDA (it's for your own good) and letting the larger pharmaceutical concerns pull the strings.

How's that working out for you, america?


Much better than before when was had lots of people getting sick and ill because of lack of sanitary conditions in food preparation.
 
2013-02-25 03:57:13 PM
I'm allergic to walnuts, so I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
2013-02-25 03:57:19 PM

Oliver Twisted: Corvus: DoBeDoBeDo: Hey FDA, how about getting on approving better treatments for DVT?   I'm tired of watching my vitamin K intake and testing my blood all the time.  You've already approved them for A Fib, just check the little box for DVT so my docs will presecribe them.

If something is already approved for use for one treatment your doctor can prescribe it for another. You don't have to wait for the FDA. Maybe your doctor is just deciding not to use it because the results aren't there.

But will insurance pay for the non-approved use?


Besides what you insurance company will pay for is up to the rules of the insurance company. If you have a problem with them it's them not the FDA.
 
2013-02-25 03:57:57 PM

vudukungfu: One of the greatest cons was creating the FDA (it's for your own good) and letting the larger pharmaceutical concerns pull the strings.

How's that working out for you, america?


THIS.  So much this so hard right now.
 
2013-02-25 03:59:02 PM

Oliver Twisted: Corvus: DoBeDoBeDo: Hey FDA, how about getting on approving better treatments for DVT?   I'm tired of watching my vitamin K intake and testing my blood all the time.  You've already approved them for A Fib, just check the little box for DVT so my docs will presecribe them.

If something is already approved for use for one treatment your doctor can prescribe it for another. You don't have to wait for the FDA. Maybe your doctor is just deciding not to use it because the results aren't there.

But will insurance pay for the non-approved use?


That is entirely up to them. But usually.... no.
 
2013-02-25 04:00:37 PM
Basically, the same rules that allow companies to sell almost anything under the sun as a supplement -- with little to no FDA oversight -- are getting in the way of a company labeling a natural product (in this case a nut) as being able to prevent or cure disease.

 

odinsposse: Oh, it's Mercola. Another site full of alternative medicine craziness.


Though I don't dismiss all alternative medicine out of hand...
I'm sure people like Mercola would love to be able to market supplements as being able to prevent, treat and/or cure disease with no oversight from the FDA. Find a guy who'll write a paper saying fish oil cures lukemia, smack a label on it and ship it.
Personally, I'd rather have the FDA hassling a company for the way they market Walnuts than that.
 
2013-02-25 04:05:31 PM
Yeah, thalidomide babies give the FDA the finger.
Oh wait, they can't.
But oh yeah, there weren't any thalidomide babies in the US because the FDA wouldn't approve it.
 
2013-02-25 04:05:37 PM
I don't know if this has anything to do with it but the former head of Monsanto is now the head of the FDA.

but i'm sure it makes me really nervous and distrustful of the FDA.
 
2013-02-25 04:08:20 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: Hey FDA, how about getting on approving better treatments for DVT?   I'm tired of watching my vitamin K intake and testing my blood all the time.  You've already approved them for A Fib, just check the little box for DVT so my docs will presecribe them.


Xarelto got approved for DVT recently
 
2013-02-25 04:14:01 PM
Walnuts cure the marthambles, the Strong Fives, and moon pall.

They rectify the humors, you see. It's science.
 
2013-02-25 04:15:12 PM

clane: and yall keep voting Democrat....

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Dude. That's an American snowbilly. I don't think they're allowed to be called anything other than tragic reminders of the dangers of permafrost to the frontal lobe. 'Tis why a disapproving look from an American snowbilly of any political, ideological or theological persuasion means you are doing something right.
 
2013-02-25 04:17:39 PM

Dirtybird971: I don't know if this has anything to do with it but the former head of Monsanto is now the head of the FDA.

but i'm sure it makes me really nervous and distrustful of the FDA.


I think the FDA is useless. They'll jump all over stuff like walnuts but approve Aspartame, GMO's and let chicken factory farms inspect themselves?... just to mention a few.
 
2013-02-25 04:18:03 PM
Never underestimate the stupidity and greed of bureaucracy.
 
2013-02-25 04:25:59 PM
You can't market walnuts or broccoli as good for you but Lay's can call their chips heart healthy. farkin bullshiat
 
2013-02-25 04:26:06 PM
Medicinal efficacy < > "drug". It is just a label of enforcement convenience, much like "law".
 
2013-02-25 04:30:28 PM
Deez Nuts....that is all.
 
2013-02-25 04:35:27 PM

loki see loki do: Yeah, thalidomide babies give the FDA the finger.
Oh wait, they can't.
But oh yeah, there weren't any thalidomide babies in the US because the FDA wouldn't approve it.


Sure there were, mom's got it from Europe.
 
2013-02-25 04:41:47 PM

the ha ha guy: It's already an FDA approved medicine. Just go to your pharmacy and ask for Coke Syrup.


That is not the same as Coca-Cola marketing it on their soda bottles. The intended use of Coke is as a food,not a medicine. Coke is a soda (food) and is good for upset stomachs when flat (drug). Coca-Cola will never advertise on their bottles that letting the soda go flat helps in curing stomach aches because they don't want to be regulated twice. Going back to the walnuts, perhaps a better comparison is that if apple companies advertised that "an apple a day keeps the doctor away"  they would have similar problems.

/been almost 15 years since I took a food and drug law class, but this is what I recall
 
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