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2013-02-26 06:38:17 PM  

mokinokaro: The interface definitely has quirks but lots of people are overblowing its small issues because they hate change or are perfectly happy with Win7 (which is the more likely explanation for the low adoption.)


None of the solutions you gave are intuitive.  Above all, a good OS should be intuitive.  You guys who are giving Windows 8 a pass are just grading on a curve.  A really generous one.
 
2013-02-26 06:47:55 PM  

HeartBurnKid: fisker: yukichigai: ColdFusion: What's so bad about it? I mean, specifically. All I hear is "It is bad" or "It's for tablets/touchscreens" (without specifying why single-clicking an icon is more laborious than double-clicking an icon).

Because it's not "single-click", it's "click drag this thing down to reveal the text prompt" or "move your mouse over to this one completely unmarked portion of the screen and leave it there for 1-3 seconds to get the button you actually want."

Wrong.

How do you bring up the Charms bar?


You do NOT want to know!

At least not while you are standing up because it is so farking difficult.

Look, see a doctor now before this goes any further and stick with Windows 7. It still has a start button and doesn't have that godawful metro UI that is right in your face like some schizophrenic homosexual.

Everybody here that likes Windows 8 is LYING to you. It really does suck and we want your computer to suck too.
 
2013-02-26 07:06:29 PM  

fisker: HeartBurnKid: fisker: yukichigai: ColdFusion: What's so bad about it? I mean, specifically. All I hear is "It is bad" or "It's for tablets/touchscreens" (without specifying why single-clicking an icon is more laborious than double-clicking an icon).

Because it's not "single-click", it's "click drag this thing down to reveal the text prompt" or "move your mouse over to this one completely unmarked portion of the screen and leave it there for 1-3 seconds to get the button you actually want."

Wrong.

How do you bring up the Charms bar?

You do NOT want to know!

At least not while you are standing up because it is so farking difficult.

Look, see a doctor now before this goes any further and stick with Windows 7. It still has a start button and doesn't have that godawful metro UI that is right in your face like some schizophrenic homosexual.

Everybody here that likes Windows 8 is LYING to you. It really does suck and we want your computer to suck too.


I noticed that you failed to answer the question, and instead decided to mock me for even asking.  I assume that you did this because you didn't want to admit that the answer is, indeed, "move your mouse over to this one completely unmarked portion of the screen and leave it there for 1-3 seconds to get the button you actually want."
 
2013-02-26 07:26:01 PM  
Windows Vista was a legitimately BROKEN operating system. It had real hardware compatibility failures. There are technical problems with sound card drivers that are STILL not fixable. They will never work properly. These are real problems.

The fact that you have to pause and wait for a charms bar to come up, or you have to deal with the mind melting experience of the tiled start screen are not technical breakdowns. They are added benefits and when I use my other machine that still has Windows 7 on it I get bored and feel naked. It already feels old and tired.

This is the first operating system from Microsoft that I have ever used where everything works perfectly. It is also the fastest and most stable. This OS is toying with me.

You guys are going to have to come up with something better than, 'My grandma couldn't use it.' I can't believe people are falling for that shiat. But, oh well, you guys are winning. Windows 8 is getting slammed because of hundreds of thousands of people who don't use it and are freaked out about a full screen start menu.
 
2013-02-26 07:32:24 PM  

HeartBurnKid: I noticed that you failed to answer the question, and instead decided to mock me for even asking. I assume that you did this because you didn't want to admit that the answer is, indeed, "move your mouse over to this one completely unmarked portion of the screen and leave it there for 1-3 seconds to get the button you actually want."


I have to move my mouse over to the bottom or top right hand corner and then the charms bar comes out. Or I can hit WIN + C.

Your complaint is that it is unmarked? Or is it something you simply have to pay attention to in a simply and brief tutorial? What is the actual problem you are having? Start over. From the beginning. What is the real issue you are having?
 
2013-02-26 07:34:24 PM  

fisker: Windows Vista was a legitimately BROKEN operating system. It had real hardware compatibility failures. There are technical problems with sound card drivers that are STILL not fixable. They will never work properly. These are real problems.

The fact that you have to pause and wait for a charms bar to come up, or you have to deal with the mind melting experience of the tiled start screen are not technical breakdowns. They are added benefits and when I use my other machine that still has Windows 7 on it I get bored and feel naked. It already feels old and tired.

This is the first operating system from Microsoft that I have ever used where everything works perfectly. It is also the fastest and most stable. This OS is toying with me.

You guys are going to have to come up with something better than, 'My grandma couldn't use it.' I can't believe people are falling for that shiat. But, oh well, you guys are winning. Windows 8 is getting slammed because of hundreds of thousands of people who don't use it and are freaked out about a full screen start menu.


I'm glad you like it.  You can have it.  It's still the least intuitive UI MS has released since Bob.
 
2013-02-26 07:36:19 PM  

HeartBurnKid: It's still the least intuitive UI MS has released since Bob.


The issue is that it is intuitive.

Maybe that IS my problem.
 
2013-02-26 07:38:39 PM  

HeartBurnKid: I'm glad you like it. You can have it.


No. I am convinced that I am doing something wrong and this really isn't a good operating system. This is too good to be true. How can so many people who don't even use it be so right?
 
2013-02-26 07:39:32 PM  

fisker: HeartBurnKid: I noticed that you failed to answer the question, and instead decided to mock me for even asking. I assume that you did this because you didn't want to admit that the answer is, indeed, "move your mouse over to this one completely unmarked portion of the screen and leave it there for 1-3 seconds to get the button you actually want."

I have to move my mouse over to the bottom or top right hand corner and then the charms bar comes out. Or I can hit WIN + C.

Your complaint is that it is unmarked? Or is it something you simply have to pay attention to in a simply and brief tutorial? What is the actual problem you are having? Start over. From the beginning. What is the real issue you are having?


The issue I am having is that every single change to the Windows 8 UI is poorly-thought-out, completely non-intuitive, and seems expressly designed to break your workflow as much as possible.  It's nice that you've sat down and taken the time to get used to it and all, and if you like it, bully for you.  Even Nickelback has fans.  But if you think this is the way that a UI should be designed, and everybody else is just afraid of "something new", you're a moron.
 
2013-02-26 07:41:29 PM  

fisker: HeartBurnKid: It's still the least intuitive UI MS has released since Bob.

The issue is that it is intuitive.

Maybe that IS my problem.


Well, let's go back to that Charms bar example.  The two ways you gave to bring it up are:

1: An unlabeled key combination
2: Hovering over an unlabeled portion of the screen

What part of that is intuitive?  Which of those is something that any user would try without being prompted?
 
2013-02-26 07:44:03 PM  

fisker: HeartBurnKid: I'm glad you like it. You can have it.

No. I am convinced that I am doing something wrong and this really isn't a good operating system. This is too good to be true. How can so many people who don't even use it be so right?


What in the world makes you think I haven't used it?
 
2013-02-26 07:57:57 PM  

HeartBurnKid: fisker: HeartBurnKid: I'm glad you like it. You can have it.

No. I am convinced that I am doing something wrong and this really isn't a good operating system. This is too good to be true. How can so many people who don't even use it be so right?

What in the world makes you think I haven't used it?


-Because we are still talking about charms bar woes. Something I got over and came to appreciate after the first 5 minutes.

I've gone into many things about why this is over all a better OS and we are still talking about the charms bar and Nickelback.
 
2013-02-26 08:02:38 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Well, let's go back to that Charms bar example. The two ways you gave to bring it up are:

1: An unlabeled key combination
2: Hovering over an unlabeled portion of the screen

What part of that is intuitive? Which of those is something that any user would try without being prompted?


Learning these things is fun. Experiencing them is fun. Finding out how blissfully elegant it all flows even when using a mouse and keyboard is fun. If I had a touchscreen on this laptop it would be even better. I don't mind though because I am not a fan of putting my fingers on my monitor.
 
2013-02-26 08:02:53 PM  

fisker: HeartBurnKid: fisker: HeartBurnKid: I'm glad you like it. You can have it.

No. I am convinced that I am doing something wrong and this really isn't a good operating system. This is too good to be true. How can so many people who don't even use it be so right?

What in the world makes you think I haven't used it?

-Because we are still talking about charms bar woes. Something I got over and came to appreciate after the first 5 minutes.

I've gone into many things about why this is over all a better OS and we are still talking about the charms bar and Nickelback.


That you came to appreciate poor UI design doesn't make it any less poor.  I'm sure there's some guy out there that really loved Microsoft Bob too.
 
2013-02-26 08:03:29 PM  

fisker: HeartBurnKid: Well, let's go back to that Charms bar example. The two ways you gave to bring it up are:

1: An unlabeled key combination
2: Hovering over an unlabeled portion of the screen

What part of that is intuitive? Which of those is something that any user would try without being prompted?

Learning these things is fun. Experiencing them is fun. Finding out how blissfully elegant it all flows even when using a mouse and keyboard is fun. If I had a touchscreen on this laptop it would be even better. I don't mind though because I am not a fan of putting my fingers on my monitor.


I'm glad you're having fun.  You still didn't answer what part is intuitive.
 
2013-02-26 08:10:15 PM  

HeartBurnKid: I'm glad you're having fun. You still didn't answer what part is intuitive.


Do you want me to answer for you?

I find it very intuitive. But you are right, it's not intuitive. Make sense?
 
2013-02-26 08:11:59 PM  
LesserEvil: As they add more functionality, Microsoft will create more "hover areas" on the screen.

Hover areas?

You mean that thing that x windowing systems have had for years (but I always disable because they're annoying) :D

www.lordargent.com

// Hey, you may like the Windows 8 features, that's fine and dandy, but understand that people are different and some folks will find some design concepts to be completely infuriating.

And not having the option to effectively tweak/alter things out of the box will make them feel boxed in.

It's small annoyances like that which drove me away from windows (after having used it for over a decade). And Ubuntu eventually got to the point where I could use it as my main OS (at least, until that Unity shiat started).
 
2013-02-26 08:14:39 PM  

HeartBurnKid: That you came to appreciate poor UI design doesn't make it any less poor. I'm sure there's some guy out there that really loved Microsoft Bob too.


Let's say you are trapped under your car and the only thing you can do is call out for your grandma and you need her to get on your computer that just happens to be running Windows 8....

You are most likely going to be shiat out of luck.
 
2013-02-26 11:13:08 PM  

Hawnkee: Hmmm...still no complaints here:

[www.basicconfig.com image 471x241]


That's because nobody can figure out how to use VI to write a complaint, let alone e-mail it to someone.
 
2013-02-27 02:16:48 AM  

ColdFusion: You didn't spot the button on the start screen marked "Desktop", that takes you away from the start screen and onto the desktop that is the same as Windows 7, except for the lack of a start menu icon?


i1235.photobucket.com

Yo dawg, I heard you like icons, so we put a desktop in your desktop
so you can click icons inside your icons.
 
2013-02-27 04:17:39 AM  
I'm sorry Heartburn but you clearly don't know much about UI and especially UI for Software tools design, and are just regurgitating the tired talking points you've heard before.

Firstly, the corners of your screen make the 4 best targets on your entire monitor.  This is a basic GUI principle.  That is because hitting the target is incredibly easy, you just Jam the mouse in a single direction and it will reach the spot.  That click "target" size in this case is: Infinity - Current Cursor Location.  That is a big target.  Win7 works that way as well if you test it, Jam the mouse into the corner and you can still click the start button.  Using them is good design and is also intuitive.

Secondly, your OS is a tool for getting things done.  Tools you use frequently have different requirements then ones you use occasionally, such as an ATM.  With a frequently used tool a learning curve is acceptable in order to facilitate better workflow.  All windows have a learning curve, Windows 95 had a HUGE learning curve, and you had to be TRAINED to use it.  That curve was beyond anything even remotely imagined by Win8, the sum of whose desktop training is basically "We got the start button out of the way for you making the task bar more useful, but it is still there, just push the mouse into the corner a little more."

A bit of training is a desired trade-off for long term productivity gains.  The custom tools I've worked on and designed can take a week or two to train someone in, but once they are trained and have practiced a bit they can work VERY quickly.  The trade-off in Win8 is a minuscule amount of new training for a much better and easier to use overall interface that hides things when you don't want them and gives them to you quickly when you do.

Thirdly, your grandma and my grandpa would find windows 8 MUCH easier to use.  Primarily because they wouldn't even need the desktop if they found it too hard to use.  "Here grandpa, click here to use your email.  Click here to watch a video.  Click here to look at your pictures.  If you save a picture from your email then you just click here to look at it again."  Simple, easy, and intuitive.  Single Button mapped directly to a single purpose, well designed and without clutter to distract or confuse them. My girlfriend saw me using Win8 and simply by watching me use it, wanted to buy it because she liked the look of the Start Screen and how I used it.  I think she had about 3 questions the first hour and that was it.

About the charms bar and your complaints that it is slow, I tried timing how long it takes something to be clickable, but I couldn't press stopwatch button fast enough.  I started to make a fraps video so I could count the frames and calculate its speed that way when I decided that if you have to measure how long it takes the charms bar to come up the same way you'd measure how fast a bullet moves then it is fast enough.
 
2013-02-27 05:40:06 AM  

fisker: HeartBurnKid: I'm glad you're having fun. You still didn't answer what part is intuitive.

Do you want me to answer for you?

I find it very intuitive. But you are right, it's not intuitive. Make sense?


You better sit down before you tire yourself out.  No one asked you to dance all night long, you know.
 
2013-02-27 06:10:22 AM  

karmachameleon: fisker: HeartBurnKid: I'm glad you're having fun. You still didn't answer what part is intuitive.

Do you want me to answer for you?

I find it very intuitive. But you are right, it's not intuitive. Make sense?

You better sit down before you tire yourself out.  No one asked you to dance all night long, you know.


It's not going to happen. I can't get out of my start screen and my charms bar is making me depressed.
 
2013-02-27 12:39:28 PM  

fisker: HeartBurnKid: That you came to appreciate poor UI design doesn't make it any less poor. I'm sure there's some guy out there that really loved Microsoft Bob too.

Let's say you are trapped under your car and the only thing you can do is call out for your grandma and you need her to get on your computer that just happens to be running Windows 8....

You are most likely going to be shiat out of luck.


So, do I have to be as mentally ill as you to find Win8 intuitive?  Because perhaps I should count my blessings here.
 
2013-02-27 07:11:53 PM  

HeartBurnKid: fisker: HeartBurnKid: That you came to appreciate poor UI design doesn't make it any less poor. I'm sure there's some guy out there that really loved Microsoft Bob too.

Let's say you are trapped under your car and the only thing you can do is call out for your grandma and you need her to get on your computer that just happens to be running Windows 8....

You are most likely going to be shiat out of luck.

So, do I have to be as mentally ill as you to find Win8 intuitive?  Because perhaps I should count my blessings here.


No. You are doing fine. You have my blessing.
 
2013-02-27 07:27:57 PM  

HeartBurnKid: So, do I have to be as mentally ill as you


You seem to require an awful lot of my approval for everything. "Answer where it is intuitive!!!" "Do I have to be as mentally ill as you?"

Figure it out for yourself dick head. I already told you that it works better and you wont listen. It's not going to change your mind.

If shoe laces were invented tomorrow you would be on another Fark thread calling people who like them mentally ill because they can tie them, and you can't.

"Holy shiat!! I can tighten my shoes around my feet with these things!!!"

If there was a '1-800' number on a roll of toilet paper you'd be here telling people how much of a dick the customer service agent was because they wouldn't agree that it wasn't intuitive.
 
2013-02-27 07:51:25 PM  

fisker: "Answer where it is intuitive!!!"


Have you in fact answered this yet?  Because I see you doing a lot of dancing (I still really think you should sit down and take a breather), but you've yet to actually answer the question.

Pro tip:  if you can't answer a simple question in a simple way, and instead deflect with asides and distractions, perhaps the answer isn't the one you like, and you lack the courage to give it because of that.  Just a thought.
 
2013-02-27 09:10:58 PM  

karmachameleon: fisker: "Answer where it is intuitive!!!"

Have you in fact answered this yet?  Because I see you doing a lot of dancing (I still really think you should sit down and take a breather), but you've yet to actually answer the question.

Pro tip:  if you can't answer a simple question in a simple way, and instead deflect with asides and distractions, perhaps the answer isn't the one you like, and you lack the courage to give it because of that.  Just a thought.


Where is it intuitive? What do you know about it so far? Nothing? Then NO! It is NOT intuitive. ANYWHERE, or something...  NOTHING is intuitive. This is the best you have? Can you get back to me when you have REAL problems?

What does that even mean? Where what? Are you asking if it is easy to figure out over all? For me? Or for you? I don't know you. Let me see... Can you move a mouse? Do you have fingers? What is your skill level? Did you go to college? These questions are important because they will help me answer FOR you. They are also going to help me answer your side distracting, baseless augmentative questions of 'Where is it intuitive?'

When Vista changed 'Add/Remove programs' to 'Programs and features' that was a big change and people were pissed. Of course it wasn't intuitive. You had to figure it out. Vista had actual technical problems along side THAT. Real problems that made it a broken OS and continues to be unrepairable without upgrading to Windows 7 or 8.

I find Windows 8 extremely intuitive. EVERYWHERE. It is exactly like Windows 7 but it has a start screen and a charms bar. The corners are LIVE. It is simple and it's a complete shock that these are the best arguments people have against something they simply want to shut out regardless of whether there are actual problems with it or not. You aren't trying to slam this product because of anything real. This is your opportunity to fark Microsoft because they came out with a new OS too soon and you can't handle it or you simply can't upgrade.

I'm probably wrong though, you AREN'T asking me to answer for you, you are asking me to answer for mass quantities of 'regular people' who sit down in front of a computer running Windows 8. You are asking me to answer for reasons why they seem to not be able to find the desktop without knowing anything about it. You are asking me to explain the YouTube video of the old lady who just sat there giggling when her grandson was attempting to prove the same point you are.

It is intuitive that when you boot to the start screen you can hit the ESCAPE key to get to your desktop. It is NOT intuitive where you would probably think it wasn't that literal. It is not intuitive where most commands that you might think wouldn't do anything, actually DO do things and you don't want to look like an idiot if someone is watching you do the wrong thing. (I might be getting closer to answering your question for you)

The first thing I did was read the brief tutorial about live corners when I installed it. When I got to the start screen I moved my mouse. I found menus. I clicked them. It started rolling from there. I found the desktop. I also found the control panel. It was turning out to be EXTREMELY intuitive at this point. It was fun. It freaked my out how fast it was. It is faster than Windows 7 and does everything more efficient. It never stalls. Then I start getting into all of the benefits of the app store. Now I am discovering things that Windows 7 CAN NOT AND NEVER WILL be able to do. This has completely abolished the question of whether or WHERE is it intuitive.

Windows 8 is intuitive where you can operate a computer. You aren't asking that question though. You are asking the same question I had when I was frustrated about the fact that Windows 8 was already coming out. I figured it out for myself and I upgraded. I did not go onto a Fark thread, single one person out and keep asking, 'Where is it intuitive?' I would have already realized that ONLY I can answer that question.
 
Windows 8 is not intuitive. I do not recommend it for YOU. Like everything there are a few things you will have to figure out for yourself. I think I said that already and you will probably ask again.
 
2013-02-27 09:13:07 PM  

karmachameleon: and you lack the courage to give it because of that. Just a thought.


You aren't thinking.
 
2013-02-27 09:27:53 PM  

karmachameleon: Pro tip: if you can't answer a simple question in a simple way


Where is it a simple question? Do you really think it is a simple question to ask someone where something is intuitive? Windows 8 is simple. You are saying it is not intuitive and suggesting that there is a specific place that I can answer for where it is intuitive. You are an idiot. This isn't a pro-tip for what you are asking. That is a pro-tip for something requiring a yes or no answer. If you can't answer where this is a simple question then you are a coward. I want a simple answer.

Photoshop is not an intuitive program but I absolutely love it. Where is it intuitive? It has a tool bar menu at the top. You start there.
 
2013-02-27 10:05:21 PM  

fisker: Where is it a simple question?


It took you 3 posts, one of them extremely lengthy, and probably 50 times more words than I used to still not answer the question.  That's ok, it was rhetorical anyway - I already know the answer.  It doesn't really matter to me if you know or care to admit the answer or not.  Thanks for playing, though.  Your dancing was excellent.

BTW, your Photoshop comparison is dumb.  Nobody expects Photoshop to be "intuitive" (although it should be made as easy to use as possible given its context and constraints, just like any good software).  It's patently obvious to me that you're already married to a position, and are unwilling to be objective about it.  That's your loss, it's no skin off my nose.
 
2013-02-27 10:29:20 PM  

karmachameleon: fisker: Where is it a simple question?

It took you 3 posts, one of them extremely lengthy, and probably 50 times more words than I used to still not answer the question.  That's ok, it was rhetorical anyway - I already know the answer.  It doesn't really matter to me if you know or care to admit the answer or not.  Thanks for playing, though.  Your dancing was excellent.

BTW, your Photoshop comparison is dumb.  Nobody expects Photoshop to be "intuitive" (although it should be made as easy to use as possible given its context and constraints, just like any good software).  It's patently obvious to me that you're already married to a position, and are unwilling to be objective about it.  That's your loss, it's no skin off my nose.


There is nothing to be objective about. It is a better operating system. I am married to nothing. You might want to stop confusing me with yourself.

Photoshop is a perfect example.

(although it should be made as easy to use as possible given its context and constraints, just like any good software)

Software is software and regardless of whether it is new or not or whether you have used it or not it will never be intuitive because you have to figure it out.

If you think that Windows 8 is difficult to use and actual constarnts exist in order to be able to use it then you should be able to answer the question of where it is intuitive or not yourself.

It took you 3 posts, one of them extremely lengthy, and probably 50 times more words than I used to still not answer the question.  That's ok, it was rhetorical anyway -

You've won. Happy? Windows 8 is not intuitive, anywhere. Not here. Not on the computer I am using right now. You must be baffled at how I am able to do any of this being stuck on the start screen and all. I can't get out of it. What do I do? I am sitting here trying to process how confusing it must be for you to understand how farked up this thing is to use.
 
2013-02-27 10:48:05 PM  

fisker: There is nothing to be objective about. It is a better operating system. I am married to nothing. You might want to stop confusing me with yourself.


I'm not the one with dozens of posts in Windows 8 threads.  In addition to taking a break from dancing, you should get out of the basement once in a while.
 
2013-02-27 10:50:40 PM  

fisker: Photoshop is not an intuitive program but I absolutely love it. Where is it intuitive? It has a tool bar menu at the top. You start there.


Yes.  It has a tool bar menu.  Something you can see.  You have a way of knowing it is there.

Do you get it now?
 
2013-02-27 10:56:10 PM  

karmachameleon: fisker: There is nothing to be objective about. It is a better operating system. I am married to nothing. You might want to stop confusing me with yourself.

I'm not the one with dozens of posts in Windows 8 threads.  In addition to taking a break from dancing, you should get out of the basement once in a while.


The winning argument. Give me another one. Make it stick this time.
 
2013-02-27 10:57:59 PM  

HeartBurnKid: fisker: Photoshop is not an intuitive program but I absolutely love it. Where is it intuitive? It has a tool bar menu at the top. You start there.

Yes.  It has a tool bar menu.  Something you can see.  You have a way of knowing it is there.

Do you get it now?


No, I don't. Because when you install windows 8 or use it for the first time it tells you about LIVE corners.

So, no. I don't get it now.

Keep them coming.
 
2013-02-27 11:06:50 PM  

fisker: HeartBurnKid: fisker: Photoshop is not an intuitive program but I absolutely love it. Where is it intuitive? It has a tool bar menu at the top. You start there.

Yes.  It has a tool bar menu.  Something you can see.  You have a way of knowing it is there.

Do you get it now?

No, I don't. Because when you install windows 8 or use it for the first time it tells you about LIVE corners.

So, no. I don't get it now.

Keep them coming.


You guys are learning though. Now that I have let you know about live corners you shouldn't have too much of a problem. You've gotten on the internet and asked questions about it. First steps are important. I am here for you both. The fact that you couldn't be told about it right off the bat (even though you are) a constraining operating system it does not make.

But I see your logic and reasoning. You shouldn't have to do anything. Just like I should remain in my basement. The one come back I have never seen used on the internet by anyone who has never lost an argument.
 
2013-02-27 11:17:09 PM  

fisker: fisker: HeartBurnKid: fisker: Photoshop is not an intuitive program but I absolutely love it. Where is it intuitive? It has a tool bar menu at the top. You start there.

Yes.  It has a tool bar menu.  Something you can see.  You have a way of knowing it is there.

Do you get it now?

No, I don't. Because when you install windows 8 or use it for the first time it tells you about LIVE corners.

So, no. I don't get it now.

Keep them coming.

You guys are learning though. Now that I have let you know about live corners you shouldn't have too much of a problem. You've gotten on the internet and asked questions about it. First steps are important. I am here for you both. The fact that you couldn't be told about it right off the bat (even though you are) a constraining operating system it does not make.

But I see your logic and reasoning. You shouldn't have to do anything. Just like I should remain in my basement. The one come back I have never seen used on the internet by anyone who has never lost an argument.


I have to admit, I tuned your longer posts out a long time ago.  There's only so many times I can read "Windows 8 is the greatest thing ever and it's so totally intuitive it doesn't actually need to show you anything and if you don't like it you're stupid" before my mind wanders off and thinks about kittens.  Especially when you start replying to each post 2-3 times in succession.
 
2013-02-27 11:29:39 PM  

HeartBurnKid: fisker: fisker: HeartBurnKid: fisker: Photoshop is not an intuitive program but I absolutely love it. Where is it intuitive? It has a tool bar menu at the top. You start there.

Yes.  It has a tool bar menu.  Something you can see.  You have a way of knowing it is there.

Do you get it now?

No, I don't. Because when you install windows 8 or use it for the first time it tells you about LIVE corners.

So, no. I don't get it now.

Keep them coming.

You guys are learning though. Now that I have let you know about live corners you shouldn't have too much of a problem. You've gotten on the internet and asked questions about it. First steps are important. I am here for you both. The fact that you couldn't be told about it right off the bat (even though you are) a constraining operating system it does not make.

But I see your logic and reasoning. You shouldn't have to do anything. Just like I should remain in my basement. The one come back I have never seen used on the internet by anyone who has never lost an argument.

I have to admit, I tuned your longer posts out a long time ago.  There's only so many times I can read "Windows 8 is the greatest thing ever and it's so totally intuitive it doesn't actually need to show you anything and if you don't like it you're stupid" before my mind wanders off and thinks about kittens.  Especially when you start replying to each post 2-3 times in succession.


It's okay. That is why Windows 8 will not work for you. I'm sorry it took this long for you to realize it. I stress that you try it out for yourself, though, before you take my word for it. It being the best operating system I have ever used and all.
 
2013-02-27 11:36:49 PM  

HeartBurnKid: and if you don't like it you're stupid" before my mind wanders off and thinks about kittens. Especially when you start replying to each post 2-3 times in succession.


I never said that. You did. You are saying that people are stupid and they can't figure out Windows 8 because it is not intuitive. They should never have to automatically know anything. You are taking people for granted.
 
2013-02-27 11:36:57 PM  

fisker: HeartBurnKid: fisker: fisker: HeartBurnKid: fisker: Photoshop is not an intuitive program but I absolutely love it. Where is it intuitive? It has a tool bar menu at the top. You start there.

Yes.  It has a tool bar menu.  Something you can see.  You have a way of knowing it is there.

Do you get it now?

No, I don't. Because when you install windows 8 or use it for the first time it tells you about LIVE corners.

So, no. I don't get it now.

Keep them coming.

You guys are learning though. Now that I have let you know about live corners you shouldn't have too much of a problem. You've gotten on the internet and asked questions about it. First steps are important. I am here for you both. The fact that you couldn't be told about it right off the bat (even though you are) a constraining operating system it does not make.

But I see your logic and reasoning. You shouldn't have to do anything. Just like I should remain in my basement. The one come back I have never seen used on the internet by anyone who has never lost an argument.

I have to admit, I tuned your longer posts out a long time ago.  There's only so many times I can read "Windows 8 is the greatest thing ever and it's so totally intuitive it doesn't actually need to show you anything and if you don't like it you're stupid" before my mind wanders off and thinks about kittens.  Especially when you start replying to each post 2-3 times in succession.

It's okay. That is why Windows 8 will not work for you. I'm sorry it took this long for you to realize it. I stress that you try it out for yourself, though, before you take my word for it. It being the best operating system I have ever used and all.


Well, yeah, but as we've already established, you're quite ill. Hence your need to obsessively and verbosely defend it against any onslaught, multiple times in rapid-fire succession.  Thus, I don't know if your word is worth much.
 
2013-02-27 11:48:17 PM  

HeartBurnKid: I tuned your longer posts out a long time ago


Windows 8 is long and hard. Stay with Windows 7 for fark's sake.

Here's the crazy thing. It's really not long and hard and actually runs better and is very easy to use.

These concepts don't work for people who have reasons for hating things they are not willing to admit.

None of you have told me the real reason you wont upgrade.

I hope that if you happen to be in an environment where you have to use a Windows 8 machine and you get past the start menu and start doing real work, that you are not completely hung up on the start menu and it actually prevents you from doing anything productive.
 
2013-02-27 11:52:15 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Well, yeah, but as we've already established, you're quite ill. Hence your need to obsessively and verbosely defend it against any onslaught, multiple times in rapid-fire succession. Thus, I don't know if your word is worth much.


It's a big dream. A nightmare. I've been kidding this whole time trolling you. I really don't want you to upgrade and I am pretending to be ill on Fark because I want Microsoft to fail. It's that simple. Every last one of you counts.
 
2013-02-28 02:20:25 AM  

fisker: (snicker)


So, how much do they pay at Microsoft anyway?  Is it a good company to work for?
 
2013-02-28 02:34:01 AM  

karmachameleon: fisker: (snicker)

So, how much do they pay at Microsoft anyway?  Is it a good company to work for?


I only do game testing and usability studies. You live in Seattle, too, so you should sign up for them as well.

They give the latest version of Microsoft Office as gratuity and I know a guy that will buy it from you. Big money.

Here's the Link because I assume you wouldn't be able to Google it on your own.
 
2013-02-28 03:45:43 AM  

fisker: karmachameleon: fisker: (snicker)

So, how much do they pay at Microsoft anyway?  Is it a good company to work for?

I only do game testing and usability studies.


Well, there we go then.  That explains so much.
 
2013-02-28 03:46:18 AM  

fisker: You live in Seattle, too, so you should sign up for them as well.


Oh, and thanks, but no thanks.  I actually like my job.
 
2013-02-28 04:32:00 AM  

karmachameleon: fisker: karmachameleon: fisker: (snicker)

So, how much do they pay at Microsoft anyway?  Is it a good company to work for?

I only do game testing and usability studies.

Well, there we go then.  That explains so much.


It doesn't explain anything except that I am being honest with you about any correlation I have with the actual company.
 
2013-02-28 04:37:11 AM  

karmachameleon: fisker: You live in Seattle, too, so you should sign up for them as well.

Oh, and thanks, but no thanks.  I actually like my job.


It's not a job.

It's something you sign up for and they call you in and you test games and software. That's what they do. You can go in there and actually tell them how unintuitive Windows 8 is and they will listen to you. Not enough people like you did that so now we are stuck with this shiat.
 
2013-02-28 04:48:18 AM  

fisker: karmachameleon: fisker: You live in Seattle, too, so you should sign up for them as well.

Oh, and thanks, but no thanks.  I actually like my job.

It's not a job.

It's something you sign up for and they call you in and you test games and software. That's what they do. You can go in there and actually tell them how unintuitive Windows 8 is and they will listen to you. Not enough people like you did that so now we are stuck with this shiat.


Coming clean at last.  There's hope for you yet!

/amused that you think they will listen
 
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